Reality Check

boah, I really enjoyed the posts on this site a few month ago. But it's getting worse and worse..

yeah, it's great from some posters. It's really easy to moan every time we didn't win. Come on, that's pathetic...

Everyone knows that we don't have a TOP4 squad THIS year. But again and again you are just playing Fifa Manager and start to tell the whole world who Liverpool should sign and who isn't good enough to wear the red shirt...

But think about your own attitude. If we win erverything is fine but as soon as we don't win you blame everyone..including KK. And what would we do if he resigns?! ...moan about the new manager...

GET BEHIND THE TEAM! That's what's all about being a SUPPORTER. Surley, erveryone can have a different opinion about the formation, who should play...

But be honest, who would join Liverpool at the moment?! Forget all the world class players. They are just not INTERESTED yet. Simple because we are not the big spending team everyone thinks we are and we arent't as succesful as many many other teams. We spend much money last summer but no one was a player in this category. We have spend on young expensive talent in order to refresh the squad. To bulid a new core of players with the desire to wear the read shirt. And until the day we win the league nothing will change. Forget to dream all the day because until this moment Liverpool will always just get the second rated targets at most...

And don't ask the ed's the same question all day...Hazard? He could join Real Madrid!Lucas?He could play in so may teams across Europe!And I could go on. We were just linked with players ManU, Barcelona, Real Madrid etc. wouldn't even have a look at youtube... That's sad but the truth. We have to produce our own world class players in the youth. But these players are not ready yet. Give them one or two years and if they are good enough they will play. kenny knows the way how to introduce youth players in the first team squad and he has done it before... If he thinks they are ready, then they will get some playing time!!

Just one example. Everyone had high hopes of Pacheco! But he doesnt even get a game from the start and is just a sub for a midtable team. He hasn't set the world on fire with his coming ons. But so many posters were just moaning that he wasn't given a few games. He is just not good enough!


Just some facts reagarding the used formation:
- Carroll played the full 90 minutes against City and to be honest, he looked tired an the end. Why start him? Is he the new fitness wonder?
- we haven't played 5 at the back, we had two great wing backs and our game had some great width
- Kuyt was playing, because he is still a full international and we had no other choice
- Bellamy isn't able to play two games in the row and we have to be careful with him
- other attacking option? Maxi? maybe he will leave the Reds. Others? Besides some youth players I don't see one. And to be honest, we have good youth players but a powerful striker? No!

Hope everyone thinks just a little bit more realistic. I'm as frustrated as you that we haven't won but I think we tried the best to do it. With a little bit more luck one or two chance would have gone in and everything would be fine. But as long as we don't improve the squad with some gems, players who were not linked with all the top teams in Europe, we will always just fight to be in the TOP 4...

realty check for everyone

Stifler

Excellent post Stifler.
Good to see some still rowing against the kneejerk torrent.


How's you mom?

Here some people at the start of the season said we will be doing well to get top 4 they were slated and said we should be aiming for the league who are the knee jerkers

The torrent I refer to is the one that's in full flow today and any other day we don't win.
Only a matter of time I fear that some who backed Rafa so well will start to turn on Kenny.
Hopefully some good cup results will stop that.
Seriously though.
We drew with Stoke. Hardly a shock result is it.
Most people on here were saying it would be a tight game.
Why now the outcry?

I could have sworn we beat City a few days ago,
But hey let's not let that distract from the horror of a draw with Stoke!

 Two questions. 1. What's this about Stiflers Mum. 2. Who does Corbally mean when he talks about "some people"? I said we'd struggle to get into the top four. We are doing, and we still may well get there.

I agree with most of what you have said. The whole time i have had faith in Kenny.
I have had faith in all the new players but i have to say im happy with all the players but Downing. Downing 27/28 years old, which means no more potential, Not providing/ doing his job. Im sick of people saying we have wasted 80m or whatever. We have wasted just
 35m that is how much we have really lost. We are heading in the right direction. I think we just need to trim our squad down a bit and add a few players such as Higuian, Jokes IMO way better players than him for half the price.

I agree with most of what you have said. The whole time i have had faith in Kenny.
I have had faith in all the new players but i have to say im happy with all the players but Downing. Downing 27/28 years old, which means no more potential, Not providing/ doing his job. Im sick of people saying we have wasted 80m or whatever. We have wasted just
 35m that is how much we have really lost. We are heading in the right direction. I think we just need to trim our squad down a bit and add a few players such as Higuian, Jokes IMO way better players than him for half the price.

Sorry if you didn't understand me about wasting 35m. That isnt on Andy Carroll that is on how we spent on our players and they are worth. E.g Carroll was brought for 35m but worth IMO 15m so we wasted 20m not 35m. And thats even if you call it waste.

Only a matter of time I fear that some who backed Rafa so well will start to turn on Kenny.

Never, well for me anyways. There isn't a a man alive in the world with a greater love of Liverpool football club than Kenny Dalglish, how could we turn on him as a group of fans? He wants best for the club, fans have to be able to see that.

I will back Rafa to the death, I still do on a weekly basis in football debates, and I will do the same for Kenny. The man obviously has a plan for the club so we must, as supportors, support him.

we have already paid big money for world class talent.. we are just developing it!

Never, well for me anyways. There isn't a a man alive in the world with a greater love of Liverpool football club than Kenny Dalglish, how could we turn on him as a group of fans? He wants best for the club, fans have to be able to see that.

I will back Rafa to the death, I still do on a weekly basis in football debates, and I will do the same for Kenny. The man obviously has a plan for the club so we must, as supportors, support him.

Its already happening seen people say we need Rafa back people obviously don't know what Kenny is capable.

Its already happening seen people say we need Rafa back people obviously don't know what Kenny is capable.

That's probably because for my generation, Rafa is the greatest manager we have had in our lifetime (thats not counting Kenny's one year in charge so far), he made us European champions got us to a few cup finals, made us a European giant again and brought up closer to number 19 than the 5 men before him and 1 after him. He brought in do many truely world class players. He is the greatest manager we have seen.

Those of the older generation than mine can remember Kenny having us as Kings of England so many times, the most feared team in the land. I wasent around for Kennys first reign, I was only 1, so I can't comment on it too much, only from stories i have learned.

NESV bought Liverpool and were new into football. We were a club badly needing stability on and off the pitch. Kenny was obviously the right man to unite both fans, players and boardroom levels, came in temporarily and did what was asked. He did the job to such a food extent, he got a full time contract. It was the logical thing for NESV to do, they saw what Kenny went to not only the fans but the club and players.

We are a team rebuilding and need Kenny for that. Is it a possibility that Kenny wins 2 more leagues and his contacts finished, NESV don't offer him a new contract and offer Rafa one instead? Of course.

Right now, Kenny is the right man for Liverpool, (oh god what have I started!!) and will be for years to come. Anyone questioning Kenny clearly is not thinking straight. I'm all for bringing Rafa back, I believe him and and club have a title in them and I believe he wants it more than anything else, but tak of Rafa taking over from Kenny during Kenny's 3 contract is just plain disrespectful to Kenny.

yeah, it's great from some posters. It's really easy to moan every time we didn't win. Come on, that's pathetic...

Everyone knows that we don't have a TOP4 squad THIS year. But again and again you are just playing Fifa Manager and start to tell the whole world who Liverpool should sign and who isn't good enough to wear the red shirt...

But think about your own attitude. If we win erverything is fine but as soon as we don't win you blame everyone..including KK.

Hope everyone thinks just a little bit more realistic. I'm as frustrated as you that we haven't won but I think we tried the best to do it. With a little bit more luck one or two chance would have gone in and everything would be fine. But as long as we don't improve the squad with some gems, players who were not linked with all the top teams in Europe, we will always just fight to be in the TOP 4...

realty check for everyone

Stifler

Another "reality check" thread. Just what we need.

So Reality check. Liverpool FC should be beating Stoke at home. And Swansea at home. And Sunderland at home. And Norwich at....you get the picture. The gulf in available resources between the sides is vast. There's enough money and talent out there on that pitch for us to beat the likes of that sh*t. That's what we did when we used to win things, and that's what we have to do to win them now, or even get a CLQ next summer. To not beat them is not good enough and can't be excused.

It's all very well winning the glamourous games, but it's the bread and butter games that make up most of the season, and they have to be won, especially at home. It's not Championship Manager material, you don't need hundreds of millions of talent to beat a dour, dreary team like Stoke, who bring nothing to the league except the ability to kick everything in sight and sometimes the ball as well. We should be able to beat them without breaking sweat. So if we can't beat them, then we have to ask why.

4th place is nice, but 1st place is the goal here, however realistic it may be. And we cannot rest until we are there and earn the reward for getting and staying there. Then nobody can ask questions, the results speak for themselves.

Another "reality check" thread. Just what we need.

It is. Because from the get go yesterday, not even 20 minutes in to the match thread and people were cyber-booing. It was pathetic to read.

If people want to cloud their own judgement that we should be in the top 4 because it's our divine right, then fine. But the truth is, we are behind quite a few teams who are years ahead of us in terms of a developed and settled squad. The fact we're hanging on this close is a testament to every player and coach on our books right now.

Reailty check well in order at this time because people are getting so far ahead of themselves it's a joke.

Another "reality check" thread. Just what we need.

So Reality check. Liverpool FC should be beating Stoke at home. And Swansea at home. And Sunderland at home. And Norwich at....you get the picture. The gulf in available resources between the sides is vast. There's enough money and talent out there on that pitch for us to beat the likes of that sh*t. That's what we did when we used to win things, and that's what we have to do to win them now, or even get a CLQ next summer. To not beat them is not good enough and can't be excused.

It's all very well winning the glamourous games, but it's the bread and butter games that make up most of the season, and they have to be won, especially at home. It's not Championship Manager material, you don't need hundreds of millions of talent to beat a dour, dreary team like Stoke, who bring nothing to the league except the ability to kick everything in sight and sometimes the ball as well. We should be able to beat them without breaking sweat. So if we can't beat them, then we have to ask why.

4th place is nice, but 1st place is the goal here, however realistic it may be. And we cannot rest until we are there and earn the reward for getting and staying there. Then nobody can ask questions, the results speak for themselves.

At least he has faith. Yes we should be beating these teams but at the moment we are not strong enough. We have everything you need but top four. Once we get top four we will add a few big names in football then we can beat those teams week in week out. Making top four is the hardest part but once we do it I believe we will be champions once again.

You are quite right - we are a way of top 4 I believe, but are in a far better place that 12 months ago.  There does always seem to be a knee jerk when we don't win, but that is hardly surprising.  Ever since I started watching us in the 70's, a defeat/dissapointing result has always had more negative emotion than a win gives positive.  I like to post after every game, and only give my own opinion, as we all do - I guess we all see it differently and have different expectations.

It seems it is far easier to drop yourself out of the top four than to get back in it - and we have shown that.  The thing we as supporters are not happy with this many draws at home against teams who we should really be beating.  I don't mind drawing at home to Stoke if we have given it all, it is the number of draws - and the more we have the frustration will get worse.  Having supported as long as I have (and lets face it being spoilt for the first 20 years or so) I have earned the right to criticise, praise, have an opinion - but that doesn't mean I support any more or less than I did at my first match ('74 FA Cup Final).

excellent opening thread, the moaning and whining will not change a thing

Just out of interest how many people saying this now said we would finish first or second

people are moaning and whining about people moaning and whining............ it will never end!!!!

Just out of interest how many people saying this now said we would finish first or second

Why don't you have a look?

http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,37957.msg1061420.html#msg1061420

Reality check.
1 game away from the first Wembley final and first final for 5 years.
Still in the FA Cup with a home tie.
Still in with a good shout of top four just after halfway through the season.
The only worry/dissapointment is our home form which is a puzzle at times.
The reality check is go back and look where we were last Jan.

Why don't you have a look?

http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,37957.msg1061420.html#msg1061420

hahahaha...

Tbh, that does sound a bit like "pre season optimism" to the extreme tho.. All fans do that at the beginning of the season....
I think I had realistic expectations from the start .. Always said I'd be happy with a top 4 finish THIS season but I never thought it would be mandatory (altho it should be being LFC).. A lot of people at the beginning of the season shared KK's view that it would take time, but now they're claiming heads should roll if we don't reach 4th??

Well, you are right with a couple of facts here:
a) we don't have a squad capable to finish off top 4 (and after Stoke draw and Chelsea winning, that was it, I doubt Arsenal and Chelsea will let further calamities happen to the degree of the first half of the season.
b) Transfers for the future were taken this summer to establish a core

I highly disagree though that
either moaning is wrong, because our destination must be as soon as possible: Top Four Finish, so we must take criticsm at times,
which doesn't make it whinging necesserily..
nor do I believe we're that bad to be ranked when it comes in luring new players: Maybe not in row with Real Madrid, Barcelona,
Milan, Inter - but there are reasonable alternatives in between. Our reputation allows us to strive for players of certain

You talked about the high sum of money invested, yes, and I think everyone can wonder why it was invested in those players, nor isn't LFC as poor as  church mouse: C'mon...

Likes of Llorente, Granero, Luuk de Jong or others indeed can help us. We must eye those alternatives, we can get enough talented  players from France, Benelux, Spain, Portugal or Bundesliga stars if we try hard enough. We can also snap unhappy players from giant teams. It's all possible, and I tell you, we better get rid off Carroll as soon as possible and get a decent poacher.

Cheers.

Reality check.
1 game away from the first Wembley final and first final for 5 years.
Still in the FA Cup with a home tie.
Still in with a good shout of top four just after halfway through the season.
The only worry/dissapointment is our home form which is a puzzle at times.
The reality check is go back and look where we were last Jan.

Amen.

Amen.

Agreed, it takes 24 hours to calm down, but I cannot disagree with that. Also to add to the list

I think we have the best defence in the prem.

Reality check.
1 game away from the first Wembley final and first final for 5 years.
Still in the FA Cup with a home tie.
Still in with a good shout of top four just after halfway through the season.
The only worry/dissapointment is our home form which is a puzzle at times.
The reality check is go back and look where we were last Jan.

Bang on Walton, and i will add that we are in transition still, building a side that will challenge on all fronts in the coming seasons and beyond, when you consider we are still in the title race, and two cup competitions,with a squad of players not quite as prolific as those ahead of us, i say we are doing pretty well, ok results have gone more against us than for especially against your mid-table sides, Stoke, Fulham, Norwich,etc, and can beat,better and compete against the top 4-5, were sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place, hitting the post 18 times i believe has prevented us from at least 2-3 places up the ladder, not having our captain fantastic for half the season has been very difficult and now we have to contend with losing Suarez for a near quarter of a season, we lost Lucas to who protected our back 4 so admirably,

we are doing ok, very frustrating at times i agree but we are up there and still in the mix, some people need give themselves a reality check and look at the bigger picture, Kenny's first full season and yet ppl's patience is running out,FF's give me a break.

               IKWT    YNWA

Bang on Walton, and i will add that we are in transition still, building a side that will challenge on all fronts in the coming seasons and beyond, when you consider we are still in the title race, and two cup competitions,with a squad of players not quite as prolific as those ahead of us, i say we are doing pretty well, ok results have gone more against us than for especially against your mid-table sides, Stoke, Fulham, Norwich,etc, and can beat,better and compete against the top 4-5, were sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place, hitting the post 18 times i believe has prevented us from at least 2-3 places up the ladder, not having our captain fantastic for half the season has been very difficult and now we have to contend with losing Suarez for a near quarter of a season, we lost Lucas to who protected our back 4 so admirably,

we are doing ok, very frustrating at times i agree but we are up there and still in the mix, some people need give themselves a reality check and look at the bigger picture, Kenny's first full season and yet ppl's patience is running out,FF's give me a break.

               IKWT    YNWA

Nice one both - perspective is a bi*ch for some to get their heads round

...
Everyone knows that we don't have a TOP4 squad THIS year.

Who are everyone ?
Kenny Dalglish say so ?
John Henry say so ?

Reality Check ?

I'll give you a Reality Check.


As also posted in Kenny's thread.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16563457.stm

I watched that interview Euro , and the face rubbing antics before it , and that is exactly what i thought ,sent shivers through me to think any one could have thought him suitable for our club , the mans a fcking joke ,same kind of sh*t in that interview as we were subjected to last year.

   Reality check is exactly what is needed!The pile of sh*t that was posted on the Stoke match thread after the final whistle was completely out of order!Do people not realize,tho we have drawn all these home games,that we have been the team in control,piling on pressure and hitting the woodwork?The home fans watching visiting keepers save shots that at any other time would have been in the back of the net?To begin blaming players and say they're useless etc IS the knee jerk reaction.FFS,people complaining that we started with '5 defenders'....yes,but how much time did Glen or Jose once he came on,play at their right and left back positions?I admit,would have rather have had Henderson do more attacking than Johnson but Glen probably spent more time in their half than ours.
    Up until last January,yes,it was a different Liverpool Football Club.We brought in Suarez,who likes to run at people.A player like this will ALWAYS help a team-once he skins a defender or two,whenever this player gets the ball or even gets it in his direction,these defenders WANT HIM!Mind set says "He fooking made ME look stupid,I WILL dispossess him,WILL foul him,WILL break him....I don't care.Let me at him!"Of course,if more than one is in this frame of mind,then more around Luis for example,more open attackers.OK,think young Raheem Sterling.He loves this style of play.Give him a chance.Tell KK to let Stevie give him constant talks as a captain.Too much holding of the ball-Stevie curses you."Stop trying too hard!"He is a good one to develop on the pitch.Don't sell or lend him,use him.
    Off the ball movement!More of it.Teams know now,at Anfield,to pack their own half and LFC cant break in.Coincidentley,exactley what we did at citeh last weeek,btw,but this after we scored.At Anfield,they pack the defense as soon as  opening 'tweet' sounds.When we get in the opposition half(and at Anfield we camp there!)too often when we cant pull them apart,ultimatley the ball ends back to f***ing Pepe!Keep moving Redmen!Sorry to use another team as a comparison,but Barca just move and move and move.All off the ball.When we have Stevie,Suarez,Carroll(yes,he is still going to be massive-start elbowing those f***ing arms when they grab your shirt or hold onto you;that hurts,they'll stop!)on the pitch,with Adam now feeling good about doing those 40 yd pinpoint passes(saw at least 3 vs Stoke that reminded me of A-L-O-N-S-O:brilliant!)draws will become 3 points.Keep movin Carroll.
    Lastly,Bellers(once every 10 days KK;he tried yesterday but those old knees couldn't do it!)Suarez,Sterling,Maxi Stevie...SOMEONE!...be up front with Carroll.One man up top doesn't cut it!Especially at Anfield.Even citehs,manure,chelski leave 4 at the back at our ground at all time.To get the ball in possession and feed it to 1 loan man is useless-even if you are Enrique!Notice how when he gets the ball,the corner flag is where he goes!Do not pass go;do not collect $200.My job is to sprint dribble and cross..let's go!
     Sooo,any panic after Saturdays result?Disappointment,yeah.Sure wanted those 3 points.But,knew it would be tough.After all the game was at Anfield...opposition going to pack their half;they know they must!


   ps.Heard a Turkish club wanted Kuyt for 8mill?I love you Dirk,you've always done your best for this wonderful club(a f***ing hattrick against the scum even!)but 8 mill?I'd break that managers arm I'd be shaking it so hard.Sorry son,footy has become a business.If you'd been here your whole career,different story.bye-bye.

Just out of interest how many people saying this now said we would finish first or second

Is that a rhetorical question mate? Or even a question?

It's a fair enough question mate (if it is a question) and has whet my curiosity. I'm going to check the 15 posts above yours and cross-reference them in the 'where do you think we'll finish?' & 'expectations' threads for folk who 'said' we would finish 1st or 2nd. I'll get back asap. Wait out...

Edit: I just want to be clear: When you 'write' "saying this" do you mean saying that 'we should realise that we don't have a top four squad and that is the reality'.... as in the O.P.?

Everyone knows that we don't have a TOP4 squad THIS year.

Not everyone Stifler. In my opinion we have.

It is. Because from the get go yesterday, not even 20 minutes in to the match thread and people were cyber-booing. It was pathetic to read.

If people want to cloud their own judgement that we should be in the top 4 because it's our divine right, then fine. But the truth is, we are behind quite a few teams who are years ahead of us in terms of a developed and settled squad. The fact we're hanging on this close is a testament to every player and coach on our books right now.

That is what happens in threads during games. It would have been repeated on the other forums.

We may be behind some teams, but they're the teams we're beating. We're certainly far better than the teams we're drawing at home against. Unlike against the top sides, everything we need to beat them is in our favour. Bluntly, who the hell are Swansea? Who the hell are Norwich? In the EPL 5 minutes, that's who they are. CL football for them is no more than a pipe dream, they're not exactly flush with cash either, but they're still getting results at Anfield. Stoke have lost almost away game they've played this season, they still came here and got a point. That shouldn't be happening, even without Gerrard or Suarez.

The idea put forward last summer was that having no European football would help the campaign. I said it would make no difference* and it has made no difference. We were 6th then, and we're 6th now.

*just one less trophy to play for.

That is what happens in threads during games. It would have been repeated on the other forums.

We may be behind some teams, but they're the teams we're beating. We're certainly far better than the teams we're drawing at home against. Unlike against the top sides, everything we need to beat them is in our favour. Bluntly, who the hell are Swansea? Who the hell are Norwich? In the EPL 5 minutes, that's who they are. CL football for them is no more than a pipe dream, they're not exactly flush with cash either, but they're still getting results at Anfield. Stoke have lost almost away game they've played this season, they still came here and got a point. That shouldn't be happening, even without Gerrard or Suarez.

The idea put forward last summer was that having no European football would help the campaign. I said it would make no difference* and it has made no difference. We were 6th then, and we're 6th now.

*just one less trophy to play for.

Stoke have actually lost less than half their away games & have as many wins at home, as away, but don't let the truth stop your rant.

Always thought 4th would be the goal and we still have a chance.  I also thought this would be a season to build up a way of playing and gelling half a new team in.

Results can look easy on paper - look at Swansea beating the gooners today.  So Stoke have lost a lot of away games - so obviously a lot of preparation for when they come to us to put it right. 

When we win, and some people try to discuss the negatives of the performance, and not just the positives, what we read here is: "why can't some negative bas**rds just enjoy the win for fucks sake?". So then when we don't win, and we also try to discuss the negatives of the performance, they say "why do you only say that when we don't win?".

Oh my... how f***in boring is that debate... grow up, ignore the WUMs, but let's debate things with honesty. I seriously wonder about the maturity of some people who are capable of going all day in silly debates with others clearly trying to wind them up. Some posters simply aren't worth any attention, you're (nearly) all grown up men, just ignore them...

I would like someone to tell me what exactly Citeh have accomplished with the 100's of millions spent and what 3 years? An FA cup and a charity shield? Excellence does not happen overnight. We were a fortnight away from having points taken and being thrown in the garbage heap. Kenny is not perfect (nobody is) but those expecting to shoot to the top overnight and have the world's best crawling at our doorstep to play for us are honestly living in fantasy land.

With few exception the owners, management team and manager are having to rebuild this club stone by stone. After seeing how we looked 1st half last season how people don't think we are improved is beyond me.  All of us would like to win everything and to have the biggest and brightest at our club, but this type the type of atmosphere and mentality needed to get them is going to take time like it or not.

I thought we treated Stoke to much respect yesterday, I could list things that I would have done differently. At the end of the day we had the quality to win but once again lacked the resolve. We are building something right now and in time all will be right again; until then supporters need to get a grip and stop kneejerking like a bunch of old women.

We drew with Stoke! Big deal! We are solid defensively. The next step is getting the goals. No Suarez, lost Lucas who was ever present got new people in. What do we expect we still have 17 games I think. We will be fine heading into next season. The top 4 is going to be a struggle for more than just this year and for more than just us.

That is what happens in threads during games. It would have been repeated on the other forums.

We may be behind some teams, but they're the teams we're beating. We're certainly far better than the teams we're drawing at home against. Unlike against the top sides, everything we need to beat them is in our favour. Bluntly, who the hell are Swansea? Who the hell are Norwich? In the EPL 5 minutes, that's who they are. CL football for them is no more than a pipe dream, they're not exactly flush with cash either, but they're still getting results at Anfield. Stoke have lost almost away game they've played this season, they still came here and got a point. That shouldn't be happening, even without Gerrard or Suarez.

The idea put forward last summer was that having no European football would help the campaign. I said it would make no difference* and it has made no difference. We were 6th then, and we're 6th now.

*just one less trophy to play for.

You think the 6th of a season ago and 6th of the here and now is the same? The past 12 months have proven to you nothing?

Bit sad.

I thought I remember John Henry saying they had a 3 year plan to get LFC back to where it belongs.  It's only been 1 year now and it's a massive improvement!  Walk ON!

The top 6 is stronger than ever. In times gone by we would have pissed 4th easily, in fact we'd be battling with Arsenal for 3rd. City and Spuds have spent the money consistently over a period of time and it has paid off for them. They have got themselves one of our spots.

I believe we have the 5th best squad of players in the league, to get to 4th we would need to finish above Arsenal (who I believe we have a better squad than) and Chelsea (who I believe we have a slightly inferior squad than) because as it stands I can't see us finishing above City, Scum or Spurs. Certainly not this season anyway.

Just to win a trophy this season would be a nice feeling, it has been far to long.

Always believe till it is mathematically impossible to finish in the top 4.That I believe is(or was) the Liverpool way and it is the only way for me.I may be old and stupid but I have seen us in a position of not having a cat in hells chance of winning the old first division,then along came Easter when we played 3 games and what do you know we were on top of the world.
                                                                  If you asked the bottom six clubs for a reality check I am sure they would love to be in our position.

we have to realise that the lesser sides are up to it now, no more blowovers are they, the swans stuck 3 passed the arse yesterday, we"re not alone , we"re not winning at home but we"re not losing either, we have the best defence our finishing is all we need to improve ,the deliveries are there and how many times has the woodwork denied us? alot i can remember.we have to have more faith it"s as simple as that, are we to call for Kenny"s head why can"t we be patient ? It"s because we"re paying too much attention to the slagging off that we haven"t won the league in 22 yrs from the tabloids and manc supporters, forget them.

we have to realise that the lesser sides are up to it now, no more blowovers are they, the swans stuck 3 passed the arse yesterday, we"re not alone , we"re not winning at home but we"re not losing either are we to call for Kenny"s head why can"t we be patient ?

Arsenal beat Swansea at home earlier in the season. We didn't. We're not losing at home, but you expect not to lose at home to the teams we've been playing, if you want to do anything in the league.

You can't call for Kenny's head, as he cannot be fired, and he's here until he decides otherwise. We are patient, (we haven't won a trophy for 6 years after all) but there comes a time when patience isn't enough on it's own. We have to deliver too.

I thought I remember John Henry saying they had a 3 year plan to get LFC back to where it belongs.  It's only been 1 year now and it's a massive improvement!  Walk ON!

I recall him saying 5 years??

Sometimes the lack of respect and patience is shocking - especially after a draw or heaven forbid - a loss.

but there comes a time when patience isn't enough on it's own. We have to deliver too.

I suppose it's more than obvious that patience isn't enough on it's own latw so: what do you reckon 'we' need to do to deliver (in the short-term)?