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      John Terry's Case Due Before Court

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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #368: Sep 27, 2012 09:05:46 pm
      Corrupt racist fucks
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #369: Sep 27, 2012 09:11:30 pm
      Why did the FA treat John Terry more leniently than Luis Suárez?
      Amid all the bafflement over John Terry's sentence the FA was nonetheless bold to pursue the charge against him

      David Conn
      The Guardian, Thursday 27 September 2012 20.38 BST

      John Terry's fine was more severe than that meted out to Luis Suaréz but his ban was far shorter. Photograph: Glyn Kirk/AFP/Getty Images
      The Football Association regulatory panel that found John Terry guilty of using the words "F***ing black c**t" towards Anton Ferdinand may, at least partially, have accepted Terry's defence that he did not use the words as an insult. It is otherwise difficult to understand the panel's apparently lenient sanction, of banning Terry for four matches, while Liverpool's Luis Suárez was hit with an eight-game ban for racially abusing Manchester United's Patrice Evra.

      Terry, like Suárez, was charged with a breach of the FA's Rule E3(2) which states that football people should not use "abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour". The rule states that if such abuse includes "reference to a person's ethnic origin, colour or race", the panel can consider doubling the penalty it would have imposed had that "aggravating factor" not been present. The panel in the Suárez case specifically said that a four-game ban "is the entry-point" for breaches of E3(2) and it did double that minimum penalty to "reflect the gravity of the misconduct".

      The fact that Terry has been sanctioned with the minimum penalty suggests that the panel in his case, despite finding him guilty, did not find the reference to Ferdinand's colour or race an aggravating factor such that it would double the ban. The apparently more severe fine, £220,000 for Terry, when Suárez was hit for £40,000, is explained by the fact that regulatory panels take into account a player's weekly wage.

      To understand how the panel did come to its decision, we must wait for its written reasons, which ran to 113 pages in the Suárez case. The FA emphasises that although the panels of three members chaired by a QC are appointed by the FA, they come to their judgments independently.

      The FA itself brings the charge and so is in effect the prosecution in the hearing, with the accused presenting his defence. Terry's was marshalled again, as it was at Westminster magistrates court when he faced a racially aggravated public order criminal charge, by his barrister, George Carter-Stephenson QC.

      Terry was acquitted then of having committed a criminal offence, despite having been caught on camera mouthing those words during his altercation with Ferdinand in the Queens Park Rangers penalty area during Chelsea's match at Loftus Road last 23 October. Terry's defence was to claim that he was not calling Ferdinand a "F***ing black c**t" but repeating the words to deny Ferdinand's accusation that Terry had said them to him.

      The judgment of Howard Riddle, the chief magistrate said: "Mr Terry's explanation is, certainly under the cold light of forensic examination, unlikely."

      Yet, after a week of lip-readers, slow‑motion video replays and endless legal rumination of how obscenities were exchanged between two Premier League footballers, Riddle found that Terry's defence was "possible". He said that with "there being a doubt" about whether Terry had used the words as a direct insult to Ferdinand, he had to record a not-guilty verdict.

      It should not be forgotten, in the head-scratching about Terry's four-game ban, that the FA was bold to pursue the charge against him. The acquittal gave the FA a rational get-out if it wanted to avoid the difficulties of charging a player of Terry's stature.

      The Chelsea captain has referred to the "not-guilty verdict in a court of law" in both his public statements, on Sunday when retiring from international football, and on Thursday, from his agents, in reaction to the panel's finding of guilt.

      His agents, Elite, said: "Mr Terry is disappointed that the FA regulatory commission has reached a different conclusion." He will wait for the written reasons before deciding whether to appeal.

      The FA's charge rested on the distinction, which can be quite narrow, in the standard of proof necessary for an offence according to its rules, as opposed to a criminal charge that must be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

      In the FA's proceedings, as with civil court cases, the proof required is the balance of probabilities – whether it is more probable Terry used "abusive and/ or insulting words and/or behaviour" towards Ferdinand, than that he did not. Once they charged him, the evidence that Terry said the offending words and the doubts over his explanation, meant a guilty verdict was confidently predicted.

      However, the leniency of the penalty leaves open the possibility that the panel accepted Terry's explanation that he did not level those words at Ferdinand to racially abuse him. We will not know until the written reasons arrive.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/27/fa-john-terry-luis-suarez?CMP=twt_gu
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #370: Sep 27, 2012 09:21:08 pm
      So they don't believe Terry was actually saying it, just merely repeating what Anton thought he had said. So essentially going by the word of the offending player.

      However, they didn't choose to accept that Suarez was saying something in his native language.

      How come you may be wondering? Well because Terry was caught on camera with evidence proving what he had said, the fact that the only proof there is there is that Terry was being racist, they have no proof he wasn't actually saying it in the accused context. Suarez wasn't caught saying it and had no witnesses so as you all know that these days, no evidence = guilty in the worst context possible.

      Barton got smacked with a 12 game ban, he should have just been racist in the melee against City and been racist to there players, would have gotten less of a ban seeing as it would have been on camera!

      The FA are an absolute joke.
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      Reply #371: Sep 27, 2012 09:23:15 pm
      So John Terry reckons with this four match ban that he'll be able to spend more time with the wife..

      He just hasn't decided whose yet.
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #372: Sep 27, 2012 09:28:19 pm
      The FA decision only confirms that the organisation has zero credibility.
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #373: Sep 27, 2012 09:28:58 pm
      Big F***ing surprise.
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      Reply #374: Sep 27, 2012 09:35:59 pm
      It is unbelievable how "F***ing black c**t" constitutes to be less offensive than "negrito". Make no doubt about it I would never use either words and one racist term is just as bad as the other but when "negrito" is used in terms and in cultures that isn't racist as in the case of Luis Suarez and his nationality, it is bizarre. "F***ing black c**t" is universally one of the most appalling and vile things that could be uttered by the human race and the FA have shown themselves to be utterly incompetent in dealing with one of the worst things in football.

      English football hasn't recovered from it's racist past. The FA are a bunch of sickening hypocrites.
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #375: Sep 27, 2012 09:49:46 pm
      The FA are a bunch of sickening hypocrites.

      Just this!
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #376: Sep 27, 2012 11:09:53 pm
      Spot the difference with these two Daily Mirror back pages:



       :roll:
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #377: Sep 27, 2012 11:36:10 pm
      The biggest rascist's here are the FA with their double standards.
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #378: Sep 28, 2012 02:19:49 am
      Spot the difference with these two Daily Mirror back pages:



       :roll:

      Wait for it, get onto what Ollie Holt writes:

      Loud and clear: First Suarez, now Terry - FA show there is no room in the modern game for racism

      But if the Football Association are to make real progress in this area they have to tackle far deeper issues, says the Mirror's chief sports writer

      There has been a sad kind of monotony about John Terry’s public life these past few years.

      For some time now, it has been the type of story that has not let an awful lot of light in.

      And yesterday, a picture that already featured being stripped of the England captaincy twice and labelled a man living in a moral vacuum, grew bleaker still.

      Terry has suffered many blows to his reputation, but the verdict delivered by an independent FA panel yesterday was the worst of them all.

      After his punishment had been announced, it felt as if there was not an awful lot further for him to fall.

      It is worth pointing out here that even though it is easy to demonise Terry, even though he will be rightly pilloried for his actions, he has many redeeming features.

      He has made plenty of mistakes in his life, but he is not a monster. Far from it.

      He is generous.

      He is courageous and bold on the pitch.

      He is a loving father to his children.


      In the public mind, though, there were not many scraps of decency he had left to cling on to.

      And when the panel found him guilty yesterday of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand at Loftus Road last October, they took those away as well.

      Terry is entitled to take refuge in the fact that he was cleared of the offence by a criminal court in the summer.

      But the FA dismissed his contention he was merely quizzically repeating words Ferdinand had said.

      And even though the process was tortuous, even though the FA may have overridden their own rules by pursuing Terry, the verdict still sent out an important message:

      The use of racially charged words and racial abuse is not acceptable in the modern English game.

      That statement was first delivered by the FA last December, when they banned Liverpool’s Luis Suarez for eight games for racially abusing Manchester United's Patrice Evra.

      Yesterday, that statement was underlined.

      But if the FA are to make real progress in the battle against racism in the game, they have to tackle far deeper issues like the under-representation of black managers, directors and administrators.

      Terry values his friendships with men like Ashley Cole and Bobby Zamora and they have been fiercely loyal to him.

      But he knows a stigma comes attached to verdicts like yesterday’s that he will find harder to shake than any manner of jibes about his personal life.

      He must treat this like rock-bottom, accept the verdict and resolve to try to ensure that his story at least has some form of happy ending.

      It will be hard.

      A verdict like yesterday's, footage like the images that circulated after his fateful exchange with Ferdinand, take a lot of undoing.

      Football fans will not be forgiving. Nor will they forget - Suarez has found that out.

      So Terry will be booed relentlessly, something that he appears to have grown used to as his notoriety has taken hold.

      Once he has served his punishment, though, just like Suarez, he deserves to be allowed to move on.

      Like Suarez, he made a serious mistake in the heat of the moment and he has paid dearly for it.

      His England career is over. It is time for him to try to let in a little light at last.


      http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/john-terry-guilty-of-racial-abuse-1347361

       :lmao:

      I don't remember Luis being given a character reference by this particular journalist either - He is a loving father to his child - and I'm sure Pol Pot or Idi Amin were too but you never see that in articles or books about them. But then again Holt did ghost write John Terry's autobiography!!
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #379: Sep 28, 2012 02:48:17 am
      To be honest I am actually surprised he got any ban at all - I had expected the FA (F______ A______ - feel free to choose your own) to fall back on the "courts found him not guilty" argument.
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #380: Sep 28, 2012 06:15:23 am
      The repulsive tw*t Terry is considering appealing against the decision by the FA to ban and fine him.
      The farce continues.
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      Reply #381: Sep 28, 2012 08:10:48 am
      He is generous.

      He is courageous and bold on the pitch.

      He is a loving father to his children.


      Jesus. Wept.

      I hate the majority of journalists, I really do. The good ones are like a needle in a sh*te ridden haystack.
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #382: Sep 28, 2012 08:56:30 am
       How the hell did Suarez get a 8 week ban and Terry only got a 4 week ban,once again this shows the ineptitude of the F.A.
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #383: Sep 28, 2012 09:24:42 am
      Just read the Ollie Holt piece , and am gobsmacked.
      The FA are going to have their work cut out justifying the lesser ban for Terry. I await their full report with interest.
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #384: Sep 28, 2012 10:08:47 am
      Terry gets little sympathy from the press after being being found guilty of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand.
      The Daily Star says fans will think the four match ban ''too soft'' and the £220,000 fine no great penalty for a man who earns that much in a week.
      ''Terry gets off lightly,'' the Guardian adds, ''but his reputation may not recover''.
      The Daily Mail calls him ''the pariah,'' while The Independant reads: ''John Terry Captain, Leader; Legend, Racist''.
       
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #385: Sep 28, 2012 10:26:56 am
      So they don't believe Terry was actually saying it, just merely repeating what Anton thought he had said. So essentially going by the word of the offending player.

      However, they didn't choose to accept that Suarez was saying something in his native language.

      How come you may be wondering? Well because Terry was caught on camera with evidence proving what he had said, the fact that the only proof there is there is that Terry was being racist, they have no proof he wasn't actually saying it in the accused context. Suarez wasn't caught saying it and had no witnesses so as you all know that these days, no evidence = guilty in the worst context possible.

      Barton got smacked with a 12 game ban, he should have just been racist in the melee against City and been racist to there players, would have gotten less of a ban seeing as it would have been on camera!

      The FA are an absolute joke.

      This.
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #386: Sep 28, 2012 10:46:36 am

      Barton got smacked with a 12 game ban, he should have just been racist in the melee against City and been racist to there players, would have gotten less of a ban seeing as it would have been on camera!

      The FA are an absolute joke.
      Crazy but true, Barton might be a F***ing head the ball but he's not been done for racism:
       
      bbc news

                          Terry Punishment A Farce - Barton


      QPR midfielder Joey Barton has called the FA punishment of John Terry a ''shambles''.
      Barton said the FA should be ''embarrassed'' claiming there is a major discrepancy between the 12 match ban he received for violent conduct and Terry's penalty.
      ''What an absolute farce,'' tweeted Barton who is on loan to Marseille.

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      Reply #387: Sep 28, 2012 11:08:49 am
      The Daily Mirror reports that some black players may not back the ''Kick It Out'' campaign angry as they are at John Terry's punishment.
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #388: Sep 28, 2012 02:19:31 pm
      So John Terry reckons with this four match ban that he'll be able to spend more time with the wife..

      He just hasn't decided whose yet.

       :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #389: Sep 28, 2012 02:44:58 pm
      Crazy but true, Barton might be a F***ing head the ball but he's not been done for racism:
       
      bbc news

                          Terry Punishment A Farce - Barton


      QPR midfielder Joey Barton has called the FA punishment of John Terry a ''shambles''.
      Barton said the FA should be ''embarrassed'' claiming there is a major discrepancy between the 12 match ban he received for violent conduct and Terry's penalty.
      ''What an absolute farce,'' tweeted Barton who is on loan to Marseille.


      Barton is right and you know there is something wrong when he doesn't agree.
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #390: Sep 28, 2012 03:06:31 pm
      Barton is spot on, especially when he says if he had racially abused the City players he would have gotten a smaller ban than headbutting!

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