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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #391: Sep 28, 2012 04:33:50 pm
      I don't like John Terry, never have and I've never thought he was a good England Captain due to his constant haranguing of a referee when surrounding him. But Racist? No way. This is in every way as much a Witch hunt as Luis' because the FA have found John Terry guilty of saying the word "N****" in a context of "I did not call you a N****". Of that, yes, he's guilty but as with Luis, the FA have refused to take in to account context.

      The I also reports that the reason Luis Suarez got an eight match ban was because he was an "international footballer playing for one of the best known clubs in the world... a position that carries a particular degree of responsibility". If this is accurate, the FA are saying that the position of England Captain is not as important as being the primary striker of one of the world's largest clubs. If that's the case, why did they overrule Capello and remove Terry from the captaincy? The I goes on  to say "what is Terry if not an international with one of the best known clubs in the world?". The FA are nothing but a disgrace both for what they did to Suarez and for what they've done to Terry.
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      Reply #392: Sep 28, 2012 06:10:10 pm

      Loud and clear: First Suarez, now Terry - FA show there is no room in the modern game for racism


      Along with most the other kids belonging to Premiership players....

      So they post this to show his good side basically, well this is my response -

      - Incident with American tourists right after 9/11
      - Assault and affray with some bouncers
      - Fined for parking his Bentley in disabled bays
      - Investigated by FA for taking money from an undercover reporter
      - An affair with a team mates wife
      - Racial abuse


      Now, Paul Terry -

      - Had an affair with a team mates fiancee......Said team mate committed suicide a few months later due to this!

      Father Terry -

      - Cocaine

      Mother Terry -

      - Shoplifting!


      Yeah, real stand up guy from a real stand up family. Redeeming factors my ass!


      ASSAULT, ADULTERY and RACISM

      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Reply #393: Sep 28, 2012 06:17:34 pm
      It's hilarious that the Daily Mirror are so stupid to allow Holt to write anything on that racist scumbag.
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #394: Sep 29, 2012 10:21:46 am
       :lmao: :lmao:

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      Reply #395: Sep 29, 2012 12:27:44 pm
      Here's something I've just been mulling over. The FA stated that the ban would be for DOMESTIC games so presumably, that didn't include CL games?

      Now given that Terry won't start his ban until the full report had been published, he will still play today against Arsenal.

      Looking at Chelski's fixtures, a 4 match domestic ban would be just enough to make him miss the ManUre match but be back just in time to face us.

      Hmmm....
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      Reply #396: Sep 29, 2012 12:31:43 pm
      Both Robbie Fowler and Martin Keown on Football Focus agreed that the FA had made a pig's arse out of the whole thing and the time is gone now for apologies, the world and his wife are agreed that Terry should be punished further.
      Anton Ferdinand can only be contemplating the same scenario. 
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      Reply #397: Sep 29, 2012 12:33:30 pm
      I'm surprised he actually got a ban, I thought the FA would bottle it and state he had been found not guilty in a court of law.

      There is however no surprise that he never got the same ban as Suarez.
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      Reply #398: Sep 29, 2012 12:53:51 pm
      I'm surprised he actually got a ban, I thought the FA would bottle it and state he had been found not guilty in a court of law.

      There is however no surprise that he never got the same ban as Suarez.
      If it was left to the FA Daz he'd have got a F***ing apology, they had boxed themselves into a corner with the Luis farce and the various holier than thou politically correct organisations on their back they had to be seen to make a ''comparitive'' decision.
      The ''comparitive'' disciplinery measures handed down may have been passable in the wildly skewed eyes of the FA but to Joe Public and other interested parties it was a completely hollow gesture and as they see it the very least he deserved - that is not to say it is acceptable to them or Anton Ferdinand.

      I recall reading some F***ing bollocks about Luis getting the ban for repeating the word negro or negrito to the Liar Evra.
      I would genuinely be surprised if a black person would be more offended being called negro, negroid whatever several times or nigger just once.
      « Last Edit: Sep 29, 2012 01:07:43 pm by stuey »
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      Reply #399: Sep 29, 2012 06:18:11 pm
      Here's something I've just been mulling over. The FA stated that the ban would be for DOMESTIC games so presumably, that didn't include CL games?

      Now given that Terry won't start his ban until the full report had been published, he will still play today against Arsenal.

      Looking at Chelski's fixtures, a 4 match domestic ban would be just enough to make him miss the ManUre match but be back just in time to face us.

      Hmmm....


      I personally hope he is back to play against us. He's sh*te.
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      Reply #400: Sep 29, 2012 09:32:09 pm
      I personally hope he is back to play against us. He's sh*te.

       :action-smiley-035:

      And may his shiteness continue.
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      Reply #401: Oct 01, 2012 10:15:00 am
      bbc news

                        Triesman Bemoans Terry Ban Delay


      The 11 month delay in handing out punishment in the John Terry and Anton Ferdinand racism case has been labelled ''unconscionable'' by Lord Triesman.
      Terry was found guilty of using racist language by an Independant Football Panel last week, but a criminal trial found him not guilty.
      ''The fact that it has taken nearly a year is unconscionable,'' the ex-FA chairman told BBC Radio 5 live's Sportsweek.
      ''It gives the impression people are indifferent to the issues''.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19778821

      Unconscionable is bereft of conscience, unscrupulous, unfair, unacceptable - that definition could equally apply to the FA.
      The learned gentleman is quoted as saying ''it gives the impression people are indifferent to the issues,'' that is just the attitude the FA hoped would prevail after after filing the case in the ''people might forget this one'' folder.
      Unfortunately for reasons of their own making the Terry/Anton case has been eagerly anticipated for a number of reasons not least of all the eventual verdict.
      Unsurprisingly the FA have made a complete pig's arse of the whole situation and their judgement has subsequently been questioned at all levels with a Law Lord putting his voice to the choir of enquiry. 
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #402: Oct 05, 2012 01:19:18 pm
      So, FA are coming out with their reasons... and in that they've cast doubt over Ashley Cole's evidence and credibility.

      Cole's response:

      "Hahahahaa, well done #fa I lied did I, #BUNCHOFTWATS,"

      Meh..
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      Reply #403: Oct 05, 2012 02:10:37 pm
      How F***ing dumb is Ashley Cole?  :action-smiley-060:
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      Reply #404: Oct 05, 2012 02:13:23 pm
      How f**king dumb is Ashley Cole?  :action-smiley-060:

      Immeasurably dumb?!
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      Reply #405: Oct 05, 2012 03:22:57 pm
      Cole's response:

      "#BUNCHOFTWATS,"

      Meh..

      But at least partially and factually correct, the first time I agree with him. ;D
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      Reply #406: Oct 05, 2012 06:00:11 pm
      But at least partially and factually correct, the first time I agree with him. ;D
      True Ian, but the fuckwit has an entirely different agenda to that of 99.995% of the viewing public.
      So in spite of agreeing with him paradoxically you also agree with the 99.995% who as well as having a different agenda also think Cole is a complete c**t.
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      Reply #407: Oct 05, 2012 06:08:02 pm
      So the FA are justifying the length of the ban compared to Luis' because 'the racist comments were only made once not 'several' times as in another high profile case'

      They also state (as indeed they did with Luis) that they don't consider Terry to be a racist.

      You couldn't make it up!!
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      Reply #408: Oct 05, 2012 06:53:06 pm
      "He's not racist he only hates blacks."
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      Reply #409: Oct 07, 2012 09:00:15 am
      Some interesting comments on Terry and Cole, and the FA:

      John Terry and Ashley Cole have shamed Chelsea and England

      Most major private or public institutions would sack a leading figure who was found guilty of saying what John Terry said



      John Terry and Ashley Cole. Photograph: Michael Regan/Getty Images

      The Observer
      The Observer, Sat 6 Oct 2012 23.00 BST

      We defy anyone to watch John Terry on YouTube very clearly mouthing the words "You F***ing black c**t … F***ing knobhead" at Anton Ferdinand and not agree with the independent commission set up by the FA to investigate the October 2011 incident. They concluded that Terry's defence (that he was repeating words which Ferdinand had alleged he had used) was "improbable, implausible and contrived". They said there was "no credible evidence" for Terry's defence.

      "We are quite satisfied that the offending words were said by way of insult," the commission concluded. The independent commission alleges that John Terry's defence – which he advanced in court – was untrue.

      He was acquitted in a criminal trial at Westminster magistrates court in July, although the chief magistrate, Howard Riddle, had said Terry's defence was "unlikely" even if their were insufficient grounds for a conviction. How will Chelsea FC react? How would most major private or public institutions react if one of their leading figures – say, the chief executive – was found guilty by an independent commission of saying, in public to a competitor, "You F***ing black c**t … F***ing knobhead"?

      They would sack them.

      If Chelsea – who have said they will wait to see if Terry appeals before making clear their intentions and on Saturday confirmed there will be a "disciplinary process" with Ashley Cole – choose not to do that, what reasons will they – and their owner, Roman Abramovich – give for not taking this course of action? Are they happy their captain has been found guilty of lying? Are they happy that he uses the phrase "You F***ing black c**t … F***ing knobhead" in public? Are they happy for this man to be their captain?

      To be their leader? Really?

      Are Chelsea fans happy to have their team led by a man who uses a racist insult? Will Chelsea fans – and with social media there are many opportunities for them to find their voice, how about #sackjohnterrynow? – signal their disapproval of their "leader"? Because if they don't, then how can they take a credible stand on racism in public life ever again? They can't. There is no reason for being equivocal about racism.

      And what of Chelsea's commercial partners and sponsors such as Samsung? Are they happy that their brand is represented by a team leader who says to an opponent "You F***ing black c**t"? They shouldn't be and they should use their considerable influence to demand that he plays no further part in any association with their brand.

      Chelsea have other questions to answer. And answer them they must if the shame that this incident has heaped on British football is to be erased. The independent commission detailed how Ashley Cole's evidence "evolved" over time in order to further support Terry's defence. The FA are accusing Cole – Terry's principal supporting witness – of lying. In his first statement to the FA Cole made no mention of having heard Ferdinand use the word "black". In a revised statement he asked for the word be inserted into his statement to strengthen Terry's defence.

      The commission concluded: "Mr Cole did not hear, and could not have believed, understood or misunderstood Mr Ferdinand to have used the word 'black'."

      It was the Chelsea club secretary, David Bernard, who facilitated Ashley Cole's change of evidence. The commission concluded that there were "very real concerns" over Bernard's evidence and said it was "materially defective". This is a damning indictment of their club secretary. How will Chelsea react? What would other major public or private companies do?

      What will Chelsea's considered response to the FA report be once they have had time to digest how comprehensively it has eviscerated their captain, their club secretary and their left-back? We've already had Ashley Cole's response when he tweeted "Hahahahaa, well done, #fa. I lied did I, #BUNCHOFTWATS". He later "unreservedly" apologised. Of course he did. And is that it, Chelsea? Is it OK for Cole to react in that way to a charge this serious?

      Chelsea have been shamed by this incident. They have been shamed by John Terry and Ashley Cole. For those of us who love football it is dispiriting, depressing and disgusting to see how football (including the FA who were also criticised by the independent commission) has dealt so ineptly with this Terry affair. And not just this incident. Who can forget Liverpool's lamentable response to the Luis SuΓ‘rez incident last year?

      And the FA, even now, seem to have some difficulty learning lessons from this fiasco. In a briefing to journalists from the Sunday media on Thursday – before the publication of the independent commission's report – the England manager, Roy Hodgson, responding to persistent questions, said he might consider giving the captaincy to Ashley Cole for the World Cup game against Poland to coincide with the defender's 100th cap.

      On Saturday the FA made it clear to those same journalists that they should not refer to that section of the press conference lest it reflect badly on Hodgson or the FA, or that not giving the captaincy would be seen as revenge for the Cole tweet. Perish the thought.

      The fact that the request from the FA came with an implicit threat that anyone who ignored this advisory might suffer in terms of future cooperation from the FA is both abysmal and shocking.

      Racism is vile and malevolent and has blighted many people's lives. It continues to do so, although great strides have been taken to reduce its incidence. Only racists and intellectual Neanderthals would need convincing that society has to adopt a zero tolerance approach to incidences of racism, or racist insults. And that includes football.

      As one writer noted on Saturday: "Most footballers get through the day without uttering a racist remark." In fact, most of us get through the day without uttering a racist remark.

      Terry and Cole are an embarrassment to football, to Chelsea and to England. The club – and just as importantly, their supporters – need to be seen to understand that clearly. And react accordingly.

      http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/oct/06/editorial-john-terry-ashley-cole-chelsea-england?cat=football&type=article
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      Reply #410: Oct 07, 2012 10:52:06 am
      Barton is spot on, especially when he says if he had racially abused the City players he would have gotten a smaller ban than headbutting!


      And so he should, Barton wants to think himself lucky he wasn't arrested for an assault as that's basically what headbutting is, which regardless a physical assault is far worse than words.
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      Reply #411: Oct 07, 2012 11:08:11 am
      Some interesting comments on Terry and Cole, and the FA:

      John Terry and Ashley Cole have shamed Chelsea and England

      Most major private or public institutions would sack a leading figure who was found guilty of saying what John Terry said



      John Terry and Ashley Cole. Photograph: Michael Regan/Getty Images

      The Observer
      The Observer, Sat 6 Oct 2012 23.00 BST

      We defy anyone to watch John Terry on YouTube very clearly mouthing the words "You F***ing black c**t … F***ing knobhead" at Anton Ferdinand and not agree with the independent commission set up by the FA to investigate the October 2011 incident. They concluded that Terry's defence (that he was repeating words which Ferdinand had alleged he had used) was "improbable, implausible and contrived". They said there was "no credible evidence" for Terry's defence.

      "We are quite satisfied that the offending words were said by way of insult," the commission concluded. The independent commission alleges that John Terry's defence – which he advanced in court – was untrue.

      He was acquitted in a criminal trial at Westminster magistrates court in July, although the chief magistrate, Howard Riddle, had said Terry's defence was "unlikely" even if their were insufficient grounds for a conviction. How will Chelsea FC react? How would most major private or public institutions react if one of their leading figures – say, the chief executive – was found guilty by an independent commission of saying, in public to a competitor, "You F***ing black c**t … F***ing knobhead"?

      They would sack them.

      If Chelsea – who have said they will wait to see if Terry appeals before making clear their intentions and on Saturday confirmed there will be a "disciplinary process" with Ashley Cole – choose not to do that, what reasons will they – and their owner, Roman Abramovich – give for not taking this course of action? Are they happy their captain has been found guilty of lying? Are they happy that he uses the phrase "You F***ing black c**t … F***ing knobhead" in public? Are they happy for this man to be their captain?

      To be their leader? Really?

      Are Chelsea fans happy to have their team led by a man who uses a racist insult? Will Chelsea fans – and with social media there are many opportunities for them to find their voice, how about #sackjohnterrynow? – signal their disapproval of their "leader"? Because if they don't, then how can they take a credible stand on racism in public life ever again? They can't. There is no reason for being equivocal about racism.

      And what of Chelsea's commercial partners and sponsors such as Samsung? Are they happy that their brand is represented by a team leader who says to an opponent "You F***ing black c**t"? They shouldn't be and they should use their considerable influence to demand that he plays no further part in any association with their brand.

      Chelsea have other questions to answer. And answer them they must if the shame that this incident has heaped on British football is to be erased. The independent commission detailed how Ashley Cole's evidence "evolved" over time in order to further support Terry's defence. The FA are accusing Cole – Terry's principal supporting witness – of lying. In his first statement to the FA Cole made no mention of having heard Ferdinand use the word "black". In a revised statement he asked for the word be inserted into his statement to strengthen Terry's defence.

      The commission concluded: "Mr Cole did not hear, and could not have believed, understood or misunderstood Mr Ferdinand to have used the word 'black'."

      It was the Chelsea club secretary, David Bernard, who facilitated Ashley Cole's change of evidence. The commission concluded that there were "very real concerns" over Bernard's evidence and said it was "materially defective". This is a damning indictment of their club secretary. How will Chelsea react? What would other major public or private companies do?

      What will Chelsea's considered response to the FA report be once they have had time to digest how comprehensively it has eviscerated their captain, their club secretary and their left-back? We've already had Ashley Cole's response when he tweeted "Hahahahaa, well done, #fa. I lied did I, #BUNCHOFTWATS". He later "unreservedly" apologised. Of course he did. And is that it, Chelsea? Is it OK for Cole to react in that way to a charge this serious?

      Chelsea have been shamed by this incident. They have been shamed by John Terry and Ashley Cole. For those of us who love football it is dispiriting, depressing and disgusting to see how football (including the FA who were also criticised by the independent commission) has dealt so ineptly with this Terry affair. And not just this incident. Who can forget Liverpool's lamentable response to the Luis SuΓ‘rez incident last year?

      And the FA, even now, seem to have some difficulty learning lessons from this fiasco. In a briefing to journalists from the Sunday media on Thursday – before the publication of the independent commission's report – the England manager, Roy Hodgson, responding to persistent questions, said he might consider giving the captaincy to Ashley Cole for the World Cup game against Poland to coincide with the defender's 100th cap.

      On Saturday the FA made it clear to those same journalists that they should not refer to that section of the press conference lest it reflect badly on Hodgson or the FA, or that not giving the captaincy would be seen as revenge for the Cole tweet. Perish the thought.

      The fact that the request from the FA came with an implicit threat that anyone who ignored this advisory might suffer in terms of future cooperation from the FA is both abysmal and shocking.

      Racism is vile and malevolent and has blighted many people's lives. It continues to do so, although great strides have been taken to reduce its incidence. Only racists and intellectual Neanderthals would need convincing that society has to adopt a zero tolerance approach to incidences of racism, or racist insults. And that includes football.

      As one writer noted on Saturday: "Most footballers get through the day without uttering a racist remark." In fact, most of us get through the day without uttering a racist remark.

      Terry and Cole are an embarrassment to football, to Chelsea and to England. The club – and just as importantly, their supporters – need to be seen to understand that clearly. And react accordingly.

      http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/oct/06/editorial-john-terry-ashley-cole-chelsea-england?cat=football&type=article

      Terry said ''you F***ing black c**t, F***ing knobhead'' as clear as day, the ethnic traitor Cole backed Terry in his denial, the Chelsea club secretary David Bernard facilitated Cole's complicity so by definition he is also party to the conspiracy. Therefore to all intents and purposes Chelsea FC were totally committed and still are apparently in backing the racist Terry.
      The article makes a direct reference to Liverpool's ''lamenable'' backing of Luis Suarez in what the writer must see as a comparable case.
      The ''lamentable'' backing described was that of the manager who was subsequently hung out to dry by the executive who remained 3,000 miles away throughout the whole debacle, not foregoing the fact that Luis uttered the word ''negrito'' which is not really up for comparison with ''you F***ing black c**t''.
      Whether intentional or not the mention of the Luis Suarez fiasco in the context of Terry's evil utterances is completely out of order and only meant to confuse.
      The fact that Chelsea FC support a racist and continue to do so should be a matter of some serious concern. 
      « Last Edit: Oct 07, 2012 11:42:21 am by stuey »
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      Re: John Terry's Case Due Before Court
      Reply #412: Oct 10, 2012 07:57:51 pm
      bbc news

                      Terry Ban Too Short - Triesman


       Former FA chairman Lord Triesman says he cannot understand how Terry received a shorter ban than Luis Suarez.
       full story:-           http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19898122

       

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