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      whyohwhyohwhy
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      Re: Olympics: Cycling
      Reply #437: Aug 10, 2012 04:33:12 pm
      Pajon of Colombia wins, Walker of New Zealand silver and Smulders of Netherlands gets bronze.

      Unlucky Shaneze, was never really in that, 6th place. :(
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      Re: Olympics: Cycling
      Reply #438: Aug 10, 2012 04:43:50 pm
      Ahhh gutted for Shanaze and Liam. Our dominance on two wheels sadly didn't transfer to the BMX course. :(
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      Reply #439: Aug 10, 2012 04:44:15 pm
      Oh no!  Liam Phillips falls!

      Strombergs of Latvia retains his Olympic title, silver goes to Australia's Willoughby and bronze goes to the Colombian, Oquendo.

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      Reply #440: Aug 10, 2012 05:40:50 pm
      Ahhh gutted for Shanaze and Liam. Our dominance on two wheels sadly didn't transfer to the BMX course. :(

      Yes, it's a shame, but BMX riding is more of a lottery than most of the velodrome events.
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      Reply #441: Aug 10, 2012 09:10:41 pm
      Shanaze finishes in 5th. Solid.

      Going back to the track cycling It seems there were some rumblings from foreign camps saying that Great Britain had more advanced equipment. The man who finished with bronze in the men's keirin, New Zealand's Simon van Velthooven said that he would like to have seen the result had he and Chris Hoy swapped bikes!

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19174302   

      I don't know if this is true but shouldn't there be no issue here? Doesn't the UCI permit that all bikes produced to go racing be available on general sale as well?
      The bikes are checked on a similar basis to F1 Cars the amount of data for a bike is incredible. £20k for a track bike like Hoys.
      As Chris hoy said its the French who build the wheels so they shouldnt complain.
      Its take 20 years to get here since Barcelona and the result shave improved bit by bit not in one great leap.I think most if not all of our gold medalists are also past or present World champions,
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      Reply #442: Aug 10, 2012 09:11:14 pm
      Yes, it's a shame, but BMX riding is more of a lottery than most of the velodrome events.
      BMX is for insane people.
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      Reply #443: Aug 10, 2012 10:40:45 pm

      Aye, it is that.
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      Reply #444: Aug 11, 2012 10:50:53 pm
      Shanaze Reade planning a return to track cycling. She's a two time world champion and silver medallist in the team sprint so she definitely has a good history there. Good luck to her whatever path she chooses to take whether it's remaining in BMX, going back to the track or even remaning in both disciplines of the sport.
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      Reply #445: Aug 12, 2012 12:11:48 am
      Now, that's what you call domination:



       :clap:
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      Reply #446: Aug 12, 2012 12:16:12 am
      Now, that's what you call domination:



       :clap:

      You can be assured that Dave Brailsford and co will continue to keep themselves ahead of the game for the next 4 years! What an incredible set of statistics!
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      Reply #447: Aug 12, 2012 01:53:41 am
      You can be assured that Dave Brailsford and co will continue to keep themselves ahead of the game for the next 4 years! What an incredible set of statistics!

      Absolutely.

      The GB team concentrated on "marginal gains" as their strategy leading up to the 2012 Olympics and it will be interesting to see, and ultimately to find out what their approach will now be moving forward to Rio in 2016.
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      Reply #448: Aug 12, 2012 08:56:41 am
      Absolutely.

      The GB team concentrated on "marginal gains" as their strategy leading up to the 2012 Olympics and it will be interesting to see, and ultimately to find out what their approach will now be moving forward to Rio in 2016.

      It's been an amazing games for our cyclists!  Looking forward to the Rio games, we should also have a stronger MTB'er in Annie Last, who faded physically in yesterday's race to finish 8th in her first Olympics at the age of 21.

      BMX is such a lottery, even if you are the favourite, it still takes a bit of luck to win.  Interestingly, Shaneze said in an interview that she may take up track riding again.

      It's great to see our elder statesmen going out on such a high, but also the youngsters we have coming through and doing so well.  Made up for all of them!
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      Re: Olympics: Cycling
      Reply #449: Aug 12, 2012 12:31:57 pm
      Now, that's what you call domination:



       :clap:

      Allowing only one person to represent their country in each race didn't quite work out did it, in terms of giving other countries a chance? :D

      Looking forward to the team in Rio. Only 4 years to go!
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      Reply #450: Aug 16, 2012 07:50:47 pm
      The road cycling team AA Drink-Leontien.nl which accomodates Team GB's road race silver medallist Lizzie Armistead and time trial specialist Emma Pooley will fold at the end of the year as a result of lack of sponsorship leaving them with no team for next year. Will just add to Armistead's concerns of sexism within the sport where the men's side of road cycling dominates all. Surely it's up to the UCI to try and secure tv deals for the women's side of road cycling to bring in more sponsorship? Otherwise there's no viability in the likes of Dave Brailsford setting up a women's version of Team Sky like he has with Wiggo, Cavendish and Froome in men's road racing.
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      Reply #451: Aug 17, 2012 06:04:55 pm
      Womans cycling is very much like Women's football in this country.The track cyclists do well but we dont have a good domestic programme simply because its almost impossible to put on races due to the Safety requirements and Policing needs.
      All our top men go to the Continent to "work" its always been that way.
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      Reply #452: Aug 17, 2012 09:30:05 pm
      Womans cycling is very much like Women's football in this country.The track cyclists do well but we dont have a good domestic programme simply because its almost impossible to put on races due to the Safety requirements and Policing needs.
      All our top men go to the Continent to "work" its always been that way.

      Sorry, but that's not true mate, in that all our top women go to Europe too, been that way for many years.

      Your spot on in both our domestic men's and women's racing scene is really handicapped by the need for road closures, it just doesn't happen, unless you are talking Olympics or a stage of the TDF.  I think even the Tour of Britain only enjoys rolling road closures, at least it did, may change this year given a few prominent Sky riders may be riding.  Wait and see on that one.  I can't see it though, despite our Olympic success, cycling is still a minority sport in this country, sadly.

      The majority of races in the UK are time trials because of this.  A club can stage a time trial without the need to close roads.  It can get a tad hairy!  And I speak from experience!

      It's only been the last few years that Team Sky has been involved in men's road racing (and it's taken time but what a successful year they have finally enjoyed!), but they have been involved in UK track cycling for a long time with a huge amount of success.  Sky haven't got a women's team together yet, but hopefully that will be the next step.  Meantime, our girls continue to ride the roads in Europe with a fair amount of success in Europe, as they have done for some time.

      On the subject of women's cycling, forgive me here please, one of my heroines is Beryl Burton, who did mainly ride in the UK, but was hugely successful in worldwide women's cycling competitions.  She was too far ahead of her time, a true great, for those who don't know about her, enjoy (sorry, it's a long one but well worth it!):

      Beryl Burton: British Legend
      Friday, 26 February 2010 Hugh Gladstone 8 Comments

      In the end, her relentless drive was possibly what killed Beryl Burton, but during her lifetime it is also what defined her.
      Even as a schoolgirl playing ball by herself in the playground she would set exacting standards. In her autobiography Personal Best, she explained that every time she failed to reach her target, it would result in an inward ticking off. "I would even bite the ball with frustration and annoyance," she wrote.



      Her daughter, Denise Burton-Cole, thinks that more so than any physical attributes, Burton's gift was her determination.
      "She just had her own ideas of what she was going to do and she did it," Denise recalls. "Nothing stood in her way."
      The results produced by this determination were outstanding. In the history of British cycling, no one before or since has been quite so dominating. And while Burton's bread and butter was the domestic time trialling scene, where she ruled the roost for a whole quarter of a century, she also proved her ability on the world stage, winning no less than seven world road race and pursuit titles.
      Had the World Championships then included a time trial as it does now, who knows how many more world-beating performances the Yorkshire native might have produced. As for the Olympics: it's another case of what if? Women's cycling wasn't introduced to the Games until Burton was 47.

      "We always talk: ‘What would Beryl have done today with the track at Manchester, all the equipment and support'," says Malcolm Cowgill of Burton's Morley CC.

      "When you think about it, the Eastern Europeans were souped up to the eyeballs. How many gold medals did that cost her? Back then, the Women's World Road Race was run over ridiculous distances like 25 miles. If it had been what it is now - say 80 miles - she'd have been the last one standing. It'd be tailor made for her."



      Rockingham Forest Wheelers present Burton with a giant liquorice allsort
      But history is what it is, and Burton's palmarès is staggering enough without any hypothetical aero-bars, training camps and sports psychologists (things she might have dismissed as ‘fancy fads' anyway).

      Self-funded and without a formal coach, Burton won such an overwhelming number of honours that giving a definitive total seems a risky business. One might overlook an obscure team result somewhere. Or simply get the maths wrong.
      Breaking the statistics down into more bitesize chunks, Burton was the national pursuit champion 13 times and won the road title on 12 occasions. Moving on to time trials, the numbers go up a whole other level. She was 18 times the national 100-mile champion, 23 times the national ‘50' champion and 26 times the 25-mile champion. Burton was already in her 40s when the Road Time Trials Council introduced a national 10-mile title. Yet she also won that four times.

      In addition to these titles, Burton was, for 25 successive years (between 1959 and 1983), the British Best All-Rounder. She set records dozens of times, reducing them over the course of her career by as much as 15 per cent. In 1963, she was the first woman to go under the hour for 25 miles, and subsequently bust the two and four-hour barriers for the ‘50' and the ‘100'.
      All of these she significantly improved on. Most of her ultimate records stood for the best part of 20 years while disc wheels, skinsuits and faster conditions on dragstrip courses came along.

      Sweet success

      Although most of her records have now tumbled, Burton still holds the women's 12-hour record, set over 40 years ago in 1967. At 277.25 miles, Cowgill points out that it is a distance many men would still be happy with now. "Only the very best, people like [Andy] Wilkinson, have surpassed it," he says.

      At the time it was absolutely phenomenal. Not only did Burton improve on her own 1959 figure by 27 miles, but she recorded a distance that for two years stood ahead of the men's record. Her ride also gave rise to time trialling's favourite anecdote.

      One of Burton's most famous idiosyncrasies was offering witticisms to riders she caught. Dave Taylor, press secretary at Cycling Time Trials, remembers: "The only experience I had with Beryl was being caught by her in a ‘25' in Essex. As she passed me she said ‘Eh lad, you're not trying' where upon she disappeared up the road."



      Frankfurt, 1966: Burton and family celebrate her fifth World Championship title for the 3,000m pursuit

      The story was no different in the Otley CC ‘12' when she caught Mike McNamara, who himself was on the way to recording a new men's national record - 0.73 miles shorter than the figure she set. In her book, Burton recalled the sympathy she felt as she approached him: "Poor Mac... his glory, richly deserved, was going to be overshadowed by a woman."

      Recognising the need to make a gesture as she passed, Burton offered him a liquorice allsort from a bag she had in her back pocket. "Ta love," McNamara had replied, then popped the sweet into his mouth. Years later, his Rockingham Forest Wheelers club honoured that moment by presenting Burton with a giant version of the sweet at their annual dinner.

      Stern stuff

      Although Burton's autobiography demonstrates she clearly had a soft centre, her gritty determination and steely demeanour gave her a reputation for being "as hard as nails".

      Cowgill says: "She wouldn't suffer fools, that was for sure."

      Even her daughter admits she has to read the autobiography for some insight on her mother.
      "She wasn't a person to talk a lot about her career," Denise recalls. "In fact, she wasn't a person to talk a lot at all. She thought it was a waste of energy, perhaps!"

      Family time

      Of course no one knew Burton as well as her husband Charlie, who still regularly gets out on his bike at 80 years old.

      The pair had met after Beryl - who had a childhood affected by a nervous disorder - left school and started working in a clothing factory.

      "I used to go to work on a bike," he recalls. "She said ‘I'm gonna get one of those' and I said ‘oh yeah', and didn't think anymore about it. But we started chatting a bit more and I lent her one of my bikes and she used it to go up to the [cycling] club or go dancing at the dancehall. From then on, we just started going out cycling.

      "First of all, she was handy but wasn't that competent: we used to have to push her round a bit. Slowly she got better. By the second year, she was one of the lads and could ride with us. By the third year, she was going out in front and leading them all. By then it was 1956 and she decided to do a bit of time trialling because I was dabbling at it."

      As Beryl began to show her potential, Charlie's own cycling took a backseat.

      "I know she wouldn't have been as successful without my father there," says Denise. "He cycled to work and back but he gave up everything else. He did the bikes, drove her about and did a lot for me too, when I was at home. He's as much a champion as her, really. Her success was shared between them."

      Having grown up going touring in a sidecar attached to her father's bike, and later riding with her parents on club runs, Denise also became an international cyclist.



      Burton takes gold in the 1967 Women's World Championship Road Race in Amsterdam

      Quite uniquely, in the early 70s, the mother and daughter were joining each other for national team trips together. In 1973, Beryl won the National Road Championship ahead of Denise. Three years later, their positions were reversed and the mother gave rise to another of those legendary anecdotes by refusing to shake hands with her daughter on the podium.

      "I was too overjoyed at winning, and I didn't take any notice of anything like that," recalls Denise, charging that most of the fuss was media hype.

      In her book, Beryl offered an explanation: "I thought Denise had not done her whack in keeping the break away and once again I had ‘made the race'[...] It was not a sporting thing to do [...] I can only plead I was not myself at the time."

      Fighting fit

      The mother and daughter soon reconciled but, despite getting older, Beryl Burton's competitive spirit never did seem to fade.

      "She was still trying to achieve things when her health deteriorated in the last 10 years of her life," recalls Charlie. "Her times were getting slower in the time trialling... so she was never happy or content with that. She was always trying to thrash herself back into shape. She was still pushing right up to the end; trying to get back to her former glories."

      Inevitably, this all proved too much. One week short of turning 59, in May 1996, Burton - in whom doctors had always observed a curious heart rhythm - headed out to deliver some invitations for her birthday party. Those were the last pedal strokes she'd ever make. On her bike, on roads close to her Yorkshire home, Britain's most prolific racing cyclist collapsed and then died.

      "I would have thought it was all the pushing she'd done to herself both mentally and physically," says Denise. "Your body eventually says it's about time you should rest, but she didn't. She did more than anybody. I remember when she used to train she'd do more miles than was ever needed. That was her. She wouldn't have done anything else. Pushing her body was the way she did things."
      -------------------------------------
      Beryl Burton fact file
      Beryl Burton is commemorated in a memorial garden in Morley. A huge mural of her in action adorns the back wall.
      As a girl Beryl Charnock was diagnosed with chorea and was off school for two years. She blamed the onset of this nervous disorder on her 11-plus exam.
      Burton still holds the women's 12-hour record, set over 40 years ago in 1967. The record stands at 277.25 miles.

      Burton received a great deal of support from her clubmates
      -------------------------------------
      Beryl Burton's Book of Records
      10 miles: 21:25 (1973) stood for 20 years
      25 miles: 53:21 (1976) stood for 20 years
      30 miles: 1:08:36 (1981) stood for 10 years
      50 miles: 1:51:30 (1976) stood for 20 years
      100 miles: 3:55:05 (1968) stood for 18 years
      12-hour: 277.25m (1967) still stands
      -------------------------------------
      Beryl Burton: Highs & Lows

      Charlie Burton reflects that he has so many fond memories of his wife winning titles that some of them blur together. However, he'll never forget her first world pursuit title win in Liège.

      "They didn't think she'd had enough competition on the track for sending over to the Worlds, so at first she was a non-travelling reserve," he says. "Then they decided to send her as a travelling reserve and then she got there and won it."

      Among other fond memories was her appearance at the Grand Prix des Nations where she was given a ride against the best male professionals of the day.

      Charlie also recalls them going to meet the Queen at Buckingham Palace and being rather suspiciously eyed by security when they turned up in a Russian-built car.

      "The one that still sticks out in everybody's mind is the 12-hour," he concludes. "She was just on form and going like a rocket. Nobody could touch her that day, not even the [men's] British champion."

      In the final pages of her autobiography Burton succinctly sums up a number of reflections. The subsection entitled ‘regrets' is the very shortest of these. It simply reads: "Not taking the Hour record. Or that ‘24'".

      In Milan, for the women's Hour record, weather conditions and lack of funding conspired against her.

      As for her crack at the National 24-hour record, Charlie recalls: "By then her joints were going, but she ignored it. In hindsight she put in too many miles [training] for the state of her hips, back and legs. Of course, she was leading the field for the first 300 miles, but her legs seized up and they were just like boards. We couldn't move them or anything. All the veins in her legs were like solid pipes - so we just had to lay her in the car."
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      Beryl Burton: The Ultimate Amateur

      Beryl Burton was resolutely proud of her amateur status, and in 1960 consistently declined the advances of the Raleigh Bicycle Company, which was offering a contract with a view to her attacking place to place records.

      Instead, the mother of one continued working. When racing commitments started to interfere with the regularity of office positions, she moved to a job on a rhubarb farm run by fellow cyclist Nim Carline.

      Although in the summer both Burton and Carline could afford to take the odd week off, in the winter it was often 12 hours a day, seven days a week.

      http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/444416/beryl-burton-british-legend.html

      Massively OT I know, but I hope brings some enjoyment to some of yous!
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      Re: Olympics: Cycling
      Reply #453: Aug 17, 2012 10:33:53 pm
      Sorry, but that's not true mate, in that all our top women go to Europe too, been that way for many years.

      Your spot on in both our domestic men's and women's racing scene is really handicapped by the need for road closures, it just doesn't happen, unless you are talking Olympics or a stage of the TDF.  I think even the Tour of Britain only enjoys rolling road closures, at least it did, may change this year given a few prominent Sky riders may be riding.  Wait and see on that one.  I can't see it though, despite our Olympic success, cycling is still a minority sport in this country, sadly.

      The majority of races in the UK are time trials because of this.  A club can stage a time trial without the need to close roads.  It can get a tad hairy!  And I speak from experience!

      It's only been the last few years that Team Sky has been involved in men's road racing (and it's taken time but what a successful year they have finally enjoyed!), but they have been involved in UK track cycling for a long time with a huge amount of success.  Sky haven't got a women's team together yet, but hopefully that will be the next step.  Meantime, our girls continue to ride the roads in Europe with a fair amount of success in Europe, as they have done for some time.

      On the subject of women's cycling, forgive me here please, one of my heroines is Beryl Burton, who did mainly ride in the UK, but was hugely successful in worldwide women's cycling competitions.  She was too far ahead of her time, a true great, for those who don't know about her, enjoy (sorry, it's a long one but well worth it!):

      Beryl Burton: British Legend
      Friday, 26 February 2010 Hugh Gladstone 8 Comments

      In the end, her relentless drive was possibly what killed Beryl Burton, but during her lifetime it is also what defined her.
      Even as a schoolgirl playing ball by herself in the playground she would set exacting standards. In her autobiography Personal Best, she explained that every time she failed to reach her target, it would result in an inward ticking off. "I would even bite the ball with frustration and annoyance," she wrote.



      Her daughter, Denise Burton-Cole, thinks that more so than any physical attributes, Burton's gift was her determination.
      "She just had her own ideas of what she was going to do and she did it," Denise recalls. "Nothing stood in her way."
      The results produced by this determination were outstanding. In the history of British cycling, no one before or since has been quite so dominating. And while Burton's bread and butter was the domestic time trialling scene, where she ruled the roost for a whole quarter of a century, she also proved her ability on the world stage, winning no less than seven world road race and pursuit titles.
      Had the World Championships then included a time trial as it does now, who knows how many more world-beating performances the Yorkshire native might have produced. As for the Olympics: it's another case of what if? Women's cycling wasn't introduced to the Games until Burton was 47.

      "We always talk: ‘What would Beryl have done today with the track at Manchester, all the equipment and support'," says Malcolm Cowgill of Burton's Morley CC.

      "When you think about it, the Eastern Europeans were souped up to the eyeballs. How many gold medals did that cost her? Back then, the Women's World Road Race was run over ridiculous distances like 25 miles. If it had been what it is now - say 80 miles - she'd have been the last one standing. It'd be tailor made for her."



      Rockingham Forest Wheelers present Burton with a giant liquorice allsort
      But history is what it is, and Burton's palmarès is staggering enough without any hypothetical aero-bars, training camps and sports psychologists (things she might have dismissed as ‘fancy fads' anyway).

      Self-funded and without a formal coach, Burton won such an overwhelming number of honours that giving a definitive total seems a risky business. One might overlook an obscure team result somewhere. Or simply get the maths wrong.
      Breaking the statistics down into more bitesize chunks, Burton was the national pursuit champion 13 times and won the road title on 12 occasions. Moving on to time trials, the numbers go up a whole other level. She was 18 times the national 100-mile champion, 23 times the national ‘50' champion and 26 times the 25-mile champion. Burton was already in her 40s when the Road Time Trials Council introduced a national 10-mile title. Yet she also won that four times.

      In addition to these titles, Burton was, for 25 successive years (between 1959 and 1983), the British Best All-Rounder. She set records dozens of times, reducing them over the course of her career by as much as 15 per cent. In 1963, she was the first woman to go under the hour for 25 miles, and subsequently bust the two and four-hour barriers for the ‘50' and the ‘100'.
      All of these she significantly improved on. Most of her ultimate records stood for the best part of 20 years while disc wheels, skinsuits and faster conditions on dragstrip courses came along.

      Sweet success

      Although most of her records have now tumbled, Burton still holds the women's 12-hour record, set over 40 years ago in 1967. At 277.25 miles, Cowgill points out that it is a distance many men would still be happy with now. "Only the very best, people like [Andy] Wilkinson, have surpassed it," he says.

      At the time it was absolutely phenomenal. Not only did Burton improve on her own 1959 figure by 27 miles, but she recorded a distance that for two years stood ahead of the men's record. Her ride also gave rise to time trialling's favourite anecdote.

      One of Burton's most famous idiosyncrasies was offering witticisms to riders she caught. Dave Taylor, press secretary at Cycling Time Trials, remembers: "The only experience I had with Beryl was being caught by her in a ‘25' in Essex. As she passed me she said ‘Eh lad, you're not trying' where upon she disappeared up the road."



      Frankfurt, 1966: Burton and family celebrate her fifth World Championship title for the 3,000m pursuit

      The story was no different in the Otley CC ‘12' when she caught Mike McNamara, who himself was on the way to recording a new men's national record - 0.73 miles shorter than the figure she set. In her book, Burton recalled the sympathy she felt as she approached him: "Poor Mac... his glory, richly deserved, was going to be overshadowed by a woman."

      Recognising the need to make a gesture as she passed, Burton offered him a liquorice allsort from a bag she had in her back pocket. "Ta love," McNamara had replied, then popped the sweet into his mouth. Years later, his Rockingham Forest Wheelers club honoured that moment by presenting Burton with a giant version of the sweet at their annual dinner.

      Stern stuff

      Although Burton's autobiography demonstrates she clearly had a soft centre, her gritty determination and steely demeanour gave her a reputation for being "as hard as nails".

      Cowgill says: "She wouldn't suffer fools, that was for sure."

      Even her daughter admits she has to read the autobiography for some insight on her mother.
      "She wasn't a person to talk a lot about her career," Denise recalls. "In fact, she wasn't a person to talk a lot at all. She thought it was a waste of energy, perhaps!"

      Family time

      Of course no one knew Burton as well as her husband Charlie, who still regularly gets out on his bike at 80 years old.

      The pair had met after Beryl - who had a childhood affected by a nervous disorder - left school and started working in a clothing factory.

      "I used to go to work on a bike," he recalls. "She said ‘I'm gonna get one of those' and I said ‘oh yeah', and didn't think anymore about it. But we started chatting a bit more and I lent her one of my bikes and she used it to go up to the [cycling] club or go dancing at the dancehall. From then on, we just started going out cycling.

      "First of all, she was handy but wasn't that competent: we used to have to push her round a bit. Slowly she got better. By the second year, she was one of the lads and could ride with us. By the third year, she was going out in front and leading them all. By then it was 1956 and she decided to do a bit of time trialling because I was dabbling at it."

      As Beryl began to show her potential, Charlie's own cycling took a backseat.

      "I know she wouldn't have been as successful without my father there," says Denise. "He cycled to work and back but he gave up everything else. He did the bikes, drove her about and did a lot for me too, when I was at home. He's as much a champion as her, really. Her success was shared between them."

      Having grown up going touring in a sidecar attached to her father's bike, and later riding with her parents on club runs, Denise also became an international cyclist.



      Burton takes gold in the 1967 Women's World Championship Road Race in Amsterdam

      Quite uniquely, in the early 70s, the mother and daughter were joining each other for national team trips together. In 1973, Beryl won the National Road Championship ahead of Denise. Three years later, their positions were reversed and the mother gave rise to another of those legendary anecdotes by refusing to shake hands with her daughter on the podium.

      "I was too overjoyed at winning, and I didn't take any notice of anything like that," recalls Denise, charging that most of the fuss was media hype.

      In her book, Beryl offered an explanation: "I thought Denise had not done her whack in keeping the break away and once again I had ‘made the race'[...] It was not a sporting thing to do [...] I can only plead I was not myself at the time."

      Fighting fit

      The mother and daughter soon reconciled but, despite getting older, Beryl Burton's competitive spirit never did seem to fade.

      "She was still trying to achieve things when her health deteriorated in the last 10 years of her life," recalls Charlie. "Her times were getting slower in the time trialling... so she was never happy or content with that. She was always trying to thrash herself back into shape. She was still pushing right up to the end; trying to get back to her former glories."

      Inevitably, this all proved too much. One week short of turning 59, in May 1996, Burton - in whom doctors had always observed a curious heart rhythm - headed out to deliver some invitations for her birthday party. Those were the last pedal strokes she'd ever make. On her bike, on roads close to her Yorkshire home, Britain's most prolific racing cyclist collapsed and then died.

      "I would have thought it was all the pushing she'd done to herself both mentally and physically," says Denise. "Your body eventually says it's about time you should rest, but she didn't. She did more than anybody. I remember when she used to train she'd do more miles than was ever needed. That was her. She wouldn't have done anything else. Pushing her body was the way she did things."
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      Beryl Burton fact file
      Beryl Burton is commemorated in a memorial garden in Morley. A huge mural of her in action adorns the back wall.
      As a girl Beryl Charnock was diagnosed with chorea and was off school for two years. She blamed the onset of this nervous disorder on her 11-plus exam.
      Burton still holds the women's 12-hour record, set over 40 years ago in 1967. The record stands at 277.25 miles.

      Burton received a great deal of support from her clubmates
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      Beryl Burton's Book of Records
      10 miles: 21:25 (1973) stood for 20 years
      25 miles: 53:21 (1976) stood for 20 years
      30 miles: 1:08:36 (1981) stood for 10 years
      50 miles: 1:51:30 (1976) stood for 20 years
      100 miles: 3:55:05 (1968) stood for 18 years
      12-hour: 277.25m (1967) still stands
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      Beryl Burton: Highs & Lows

      Charlie Burton reflects that he has so many fond memories of his wife winning titles that some of them blur together. However, he'll never forget her first world pursuit title win in Liège.

      "They didn't think she'd had enough competition on the track for sending over to the Worlds, so at first she was a non-travelling reserve," he says. "Then they decided to send her as a travelling reserve and then she got there and won it."

      Among other fond memories was her appearance at the Grand Prix des Nations where she was given a ride against the best male professionals of the day.

      Charlie also recalls them going to meet the Queen at Buckingham Palace and being rather suspiciously eyed by security when they turned up in a Russian-built car.

      "The one that still sticks out in everybody's mind is the 12-hour," he concludes. "She was just on form and going like a rocket. Nobody could touch her that day, not even the [men's] British champion."

      In the final pages of her autobiography Burton succinctly sums up a number of reflections. The subsection entitled ‘regrets' is the very shortest of these. It simply reads: "Not taking the Hour record. Or that ‘24'".

      In Milan, for the women's Hour record, weather conditions and lack of funding conspired against her.

      As for her crack at the National 24-hour record, Charlie recalls: "By then her joints were going, but she ignored it. In hindsight she put in too many miles [training] for the state of her hips, back and legs. Of course, she was leading the field for the first 300 miles, but her legs seized up and they were just like boards. We couldn't move them or anything. All the veins in her legs were like solid pipes - so we just had to lay her in the car."
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      Beryl Burton: The Ultimate Amateur

      Beryl Burton was resolutely proud of her amateur status, and in 1960 consistently declined the advances of the Raleigh Bicycle Company, which was offering a contract with a view to her attacking place to place records.

      Instead, the mother of one continued working. When racing commitments started to interfere with the regularity of office positions, she moved to a job on a rhubarb farm run by fellow cyclist Nim Carline.

      Although in the summer both Burton and Carline could afford to take the odd week off, in the winter it was often 12 hours a day, seven days a week.

      http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/444416/beryl-burton-british-legend.html

      Massively OT I know, but I hope brings some enjoyment to some of yous!

      Lovely post. The closest women's team got to having a Team Sky was the Halfords team set up in support of Nicole Cooke and a few other riders a few years? Was a Dave Brailsford project as well I think. The women's side of cycling has been of a higher quality longer than the men's I believe so it would be a shame if they weren't helped out by British Cycling in the same way as they have done with Team Sky and that Halfords team.
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      Re: Olympics: Cycling
      Reply #454: Aug 18, 2012 10:28:44 am
      Cheers Frankly!  It's the next step really, would make sense if it happened.

      Anyway, the Vuelta a Espana starts today.  Chris Froome is the designated leader of the Sky team.  Good luck to them!  It will be interesting to see how he copes with this new role.  Defending champion, Juan Jose Cobo is riding and the race also sees the return of Alberto Contador.
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      Re: Olympics: Cycling
      Reply #455: Aug 18, 2012 09:49:07 pm
      So the results of the Team TT/prologue was:

      Movistar  18:51
      Rabobank  +0.10
      Omega Pharma +0.10
      BMC +0.10
      Sky +0.12
      Lotto +0.12
      Saxo Bank +0.14

      Not at all bad for Chris that.  Contador put in big efforts to drag his team around to a 6th place finish as well.
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Reply #456: Aug 18, 2012 11:54:10 pm
      So the results of the Team TT/prologue was:

      Movistar  18:51
      Rabobank  +0.10
      Omega Pharma +0.10
      BMC +0.10
      Sky +0.12
      Lotto +0.12
      Saxo Bank +0.14

      Not at all bad for Chris that.  Contador put in big efforts to drag his team around to a 6th place finish as well.


      Good stuff that. Chris Froome is probably the forgotten man of the summer. We'd all be screaming about this guy finishing second in the Tour de France and getting bronze in the time trial a couple of weeks back and saying how he will win the Tour de France in the future! But for one other man! I think he'll do it though. He'll win the Tour de France.
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      Re: Olympics: Cycling
      Reply #457: Aug 20, 2012 08:54:11 pm
      Fantastic stage in the Vuelta today, day three and the first mountain-type stage.

      On the final climb of the day, Contador put in several fierce attacks, that saw Joaquim Rodriguez (Katusha) and Alejandro Valverde (Movistar) sprint off with him with Chris Foome quickly making his way back up too the trio everytime.  Froome didn't look at his best but managed to hang in there.  Hope that was just a one-off off day.  The stage was eventually won by Valverde who leads the overall by 18 seconds from his team-mate Intxausti, with Rodriguez third at 19 seconds, Froome 4th at 20 and Contador 5th at 24 seconds.  5th and 6th places are held by the dutch riders Mollema and Gesink of Rabobank at 28 and 30 seconds respectively.  Sky's Rigoberto Uran has the same time as Gesink.

      Early days but this is looking like a lively race!
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      Re: Olympics: Cycling
      Reply #458: Aug 23, 2012 07:12:09 pm
      After two days of no change, it all kicked off on the final climb of the day in today's Vuelta stage.  Followed the text commentary in work and looking forward to watching the highlights on eurosport later.

      They're also showing the US Pro-Cycling Tour of Colorado, which has been very good.  Stunning scenery and some top quality racing and top.  I'll miss today's live stage but I can catch up with the repeat tomorrow night.

      I've just watched a half hour programme on this year's London to Paris ride which is several races within a race.  You have UK pros / top amateurs racing, a women's category and then the general public and ex riders such as Stephen Roche!  The overall was won by the son of a familiar name in a different sport.  Greg Mansell, son of Nigel (who I believe owns the team!) rides for Team UK Youth who are scheduled to ride in this year's Tour Of Britain.
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      Re: Olympics: Cycling
      Reply #459: Aug 23, 2012 10:45:56 pm
      Hey ho, the Vuelta produced a top class finish, which was covered by the cameras.  Rodriguez won the stage with Froome taking second and Contador distanced!!  Only by a few seconds but they count, and he was distanced!  Come on Froomey!

      As for the US race, it seems the coverage was a bit of a disaster today, eurosport condeming it but there was bad weather apparently.  I didn't think I would be able to catch it tonight but I saw the finale of the race, well in Jens Voight!

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