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      Is Mourinho a product of financial doping and favourable climate.

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      Re: Is Mourinho a product of financial doping and favourable climate.
      Reply #23: Apr 24, 2012 01:28:01 pm
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      Re: Is Mourinho a product of financial doping and favourable climate.
      Reply #24: Apr 24, 2012 01:37:04 pm
      I'm no fan of Mourinho but there is no doubt that give him a team with quality players and he will deliver success.

      At Porto, after knocking United out on luck, you can say that Lyon, Deportivo and Monaco is arguably the easiest run in a knock out stage.

      Barcelona didn't qualify. Liverpool didn't qualify. Bayern Munich out in first round. Real Madrid, Milan and Arsenal were out in the quater finals. Chelsea out in the semi-finals. Inter Milan and Ajax never got past the group stage.


      True, but he still won the trophy and beat what was in front of him and it could be argued Lyon, Deportivo and Monaco were similar clubs so I don't think you can take that success away from him.

      Still a c**t though.
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      Re: Is Mourinho a product of financial doping and favourable climate.
      Reply #25: Apr 24, 2012 01:54:17 pm
      Well said fully agree. Mourinho, given the right amount of cash, will build a talented squad capable of winning anything they're going in for. The team he built at Chelsea was first class, can't argue with that.

      Many of the quality players Maureen had at Chelsea were signed by Ranieri and he simply inherited them - Cech (when he was really good), Robben, Makalele amongst others. Then he splashed the cash to bring in more quality like Drogba and Essien.
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      Re: Is Mourinho a product of financial doping and favourable climate.
      Reply #26: Apr 24, 2012 02:02:59 pm
      Well, while I think he's a good manager (never said he wasn't) but I just don't think he's the best manager in the world.
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      Reply #27: Apr 24, 2012 04:42:59 pm

      I'll take the Grade A c**t option if its still available.
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      Reply #28: Apr 24, 2012 04:54:11 pm
      While people are saying he spent loads at Madrid, which is hard to deny, his rivals, Barcelona have spent around 100 million on players since his arrival. Barcelona have spent 20 million on Masherano, 35 million on Fabregas, 32 million on Sanchez in the last couple of years, and others as well. So he's not the only one to have spent money for success.

      Well, while I think he's a good manager (never said he wasn't) but I just don't think he's the best manager in the world.

      Out of interest, who do you think is the best manager in Europe then?
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      Reply #29: Apr 24, 2012 04:55:23 pm
      Yeah he's an opportunist and has been backed by his clubs, but still one of the greatest managers in football history. I don't know how anyone could dispute that.
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      Reply #30: Apr 24, 2012 04:57:32 pm
      He's good at what he does, I just don't like the way he does it.
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      Reply #31: Apr 24, 2012 05:04:53 pm
      He's good at what he does, I just don't like the way he does it.

      Same for me.
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      Reply #32: Apr 24, 2012 05:21:17 pm
      Yeah he's an opportunist and has been backed by his clubs, but still one of the greatest managers in football history. I don't know how anyone could dispute that.
      This.

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      Reply #33: Apr 24, 2012 05:26:41 pm
      He's good at what he does, I just don't like the way he does it.


      Same for me too.
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      Re: Is Mourinho a product of financial doping and favourable climate.
      Reply #34: Apr 24, 2012 06:45:08 pm

      He's a vain, ego-driven c**t.

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      Re: Is Mourinho a product of financial doping and favourable climate.
      Reply #35: Apr 24, 2012 10:12:14 pm
      This fcktard is still going on about the 2005 Luis Garcia goal.

      Says that is a goal that never crossed the line so what about the goal when Bojan scored against Inter Milan?
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      Reply #36: Apr 24, 2012 10:18:40 pm
      He's good at what he does, I just don't like the way he does it.

      Same.  Although I would say he is a bit old news now.

      For me he is a motivator of players, not a builder of teams.  And this leaving after 3/4 seasons every time?

      Of course, that's when you really have to start rebuilding a side.

      Still want him nowhere near Anfield.  Awful tactics - basically the same philosophy as Roy.  But in Maureen's case more effective.
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      Re: Is Mourinho a product of financial doping and favourable climate.
      Reply #37: Apr 24, 2012 10:27:48 pm
      Yeah he's an opportunist and has been backed by his clubs, but still one of the greatest managers in football history. I don't know how anyone could dispute that.

      Easy. Look at the squads he played with. Avram Grant made it to the CL final with Chelsea squad
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      Reply #38: Apr 24, 2012 10:28:59 pm
      So... ? He was European champion with Inter Milan and Porto, none of which had the best squad in Europe then.
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      Re: Is Mourinho a product of financial doping and favourable climate.
      Reply #39: Apr 24, 2012 10:32:49 pm
      So... ? He was European champion with Inter Milan and Porto, none of which had the best squad in Europe then.

      Exactly. Some people just try to discredit him at every possibility. Not only did he win the Champions League in those two seasons, he also won the League in the very same season.

      He may not play the nicest style of football, but it's effective and he is one of the greatest managers of all time.

      I don't think he's that big of a c**t either, he's done some nice things too. Quite arrogant with his self confidence but most successful managers have self belief.
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      Reply #40: Apr 24, 2012 10:35:28 pm
      So... ? He was European champion with Inter Milan and Porto, none of which had the best squad in Europe then.

      Toldo, Brazilian Keeper (forgot his name), Maicon, Lucio, Materazzi, Chivu, Samuel, Santon, Cordoba, Cambiasso, Zanetti, Sneider, Stankovic, Motta, Muntaris, Balotelli, Pandev, Eto, Milito, Suazo et etc not a bad squad though.

      As for POrto, utd 1/4 deportivo in the demi and injury hit monaco in the final well done
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      Reply #41: Apr 24, 2012 10:41:26 pm
      Correlation between success and money is undeniable, how can people deny his. Last time Madrid through money at the league (galacticos) they got results, same again.
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      Reply #42: Apr 24, 2012 10:44:34 pm
      Toldo, Brazilian Keeper (forgot his name), Maicon, Lucio, Materazzi, Chivu, Samuel, Santon, Cordoba, Cambiasso, Zanetti, Sneider, Stankovic, Motta, Muntaris, Balotelli, Pandev, Eto, Milito, Suazo et etc not a bad squad though.

      As for POrto, utd 1/4 deportivo in the demi and injury hit monaco in the final well done

      Never said it was a bad side, but it was not the best in Europe (in fact, Inter couldn't get past the Round of 16 for a few seasons, if I'm not mistaken), nor did he spent huge sums of money there.

      As for Porto, if the teams made that far, it was because they deserved it. Deportivo reached the semifinals by beating a very strong Milan side by 4-0 after losing the first leg by 4-1. They also beat Juventus in the first knockout stage. Monaco eliminated Real Madrid and Chelsea.

      Correlation between success and money is undeniable, how can people deny his. Last time Madrid through money at the league (galacticos) they got results, same again.

      Don't think anyone is denying this, but it's not just money that wins games.

      ... Roberto Mancini enters the conversation.
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      Reply #43: Apr 24, 2012 10:46:23 pm
      Correlation between success and money is undeniable, how can people deny his. Last time Madrid through money at the league (galacticos) they got results, same again.

      So have Barcelona? In fact Barcelona spent more money than Real Madrid last summer, yet Real Madrid are ahead of them in the league, and are still in the CL.

      At Inter he didn't spend that much because they got Eto + 40 million for Ibrahimovic. At Porto he had minimal funds in comparison to other big European clubs. 

      He still had a fair amount of money to spend, but he's built fantastic squads with the money.
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      Reply #44: Apr 24, 2012 10:51:36 pm
      Never said it was a bad side, but it was not the best in Europe (in fact, Inter couldn't get past the Round of 16 for a few seasons, if I'm not mistaken), nor did he spent huge sums of money there.

      As for Porto, if the teams made that far, it was because they deserved it. Deportivo reached the semifinals by beating a very strong Milan side by 4-1 after losing the first leg by 4-0. Monaco eliminated Real Madrid.

      Don't think anyone is denying this, but it's not just money that wins games.

      ... Roberto Mancini enters the conversation.

      No they didn't get past Utd in mourinho forst season in fact easily beaten. then in 1 transfer window he got Eto, Sneider, Lucio, Motta and Milito. This was Moratti's last attempt to win the CL. If their squad wasn't the best in Europe pu down the squad lists of those that were better and of those who were better, did they play against Inter.

      Secondly Deportio beat milan 4-0 and Milan beat them 4-1 hardly a telling statistic.

      I say someone is greatif they revolutionised football or won against outstanding odds consisitenly and built a team. Not people who merely buy leagues like a business which is what Mourinhos employer do
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      Re: Is Mourinho a product of financial doping and favourable climate.
      Reply #45: Apr 24, 2012 10:52:11 pm
      I think jm is a product of being at the right place at the right time, but he still has a great record, it can not be denied, a bit of both really.
      But i dont think he would make us as successful as daglish can, because of these limitations.

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