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      How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      May 30, 2012 09:42:08 am
       Interesting article, football or new Manager related I do not know.  ;)
      How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football
       
      The ‘Tika-Taka’ Handbook: Barcelona, Swansea, Spain
      Moving away from the ‘long ball’ preaching
      The ‘long ball’ tactic was first conceived in the 1950’s by theorist Charles Reep in England. Reep was a football enthusiast and analyst who studied in great lengths the number of passes that led to a goal and what positions the key passes took place.
      The ‘long ball’ tactic was commended and celebrated by Charles Hughes who stood as head of coaching for the English FA during the 1990’s. Hughes saw success in Reep’s analysis and based much of his ideologies around Reep’s principles:
      • The 3 pass optimisation rule: statistics showed that between three and five passes were evident before the majority of goals scored since the 1954 World Cup.
      • 9 shots per goal: The average number of shots needed per goal for each team
      • goals scored 12.3 yards from goal: The mean from which goals were scored
      • Optimum position for an assist: between the corner flag and 6 yard box
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      The result of these findings have laid the foundations to english football for generations and the offside rule changes did not alter the findings significantly. British football has since built teams around:
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      • fast wingers who are capable of finding the space in the ‘optimum position for an assist’;
      • forwards with good aerial ability to provide the knock down and squeeze the passing in the final third as often as possible;
      • an approach to tactics that has meant the ball is in the box as often as possible so that goals can be scored from the suggested distance from goal; and
      • an approach that meant in chance creation as often as possible to score goals
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        The product of this is the 4-4-2 system or any variation of this (4-2-4 etc) that requires wide wing play and balls being played over the midfield to the striker to knock the ball down to the midfield in a more advanced position on the field. This formation would eventually lead to the defensive minded players playing midfield to be exceptionally good at winning the ball back and playing a short pass into a player who could then start the route one style of football: the ‘Dunga/Makelele role’
        The long ball system makes sense and requires a set of very particular players to fit the perfect mould for each role. The success in this system is perhaps far more successful over the course of history compared to the ‘total football’ of Holland’s 1980’s team or the fluent passing Brazil of 1970, Argentina of 2006 etc.
        Football evolves over time. The requirements of a modern day football are in stark contrast with those of the 1950’s and 60’s. Players are now expected to run much further than before, the ball is now lighter and can be manipulated in ways it simply could not before.
        Spain won the European Cup in 2008 and World Cup in 2010 without players that fit the ‘long ball’ mould. They won the tournaments playing ‘Tika-Taka’ football, a type of football that has found its roots in Holland’s total football, but this time instead of a system that allowed players to interchange positions fluently it turned its focus to the fluency of possession and the very importance of it. This approach aimed to control both the ball and the opposition.
        Brendan Rodgers of Swansea FC swears by ‘Tika-Taka’ football and the recent all round appreciation for the way that Swansea play football has become of significant interest:
        “I like to control games. I like to be responsible for our own destiny. If you are better than your opponent with the ball you have a 79 per cent chance of winning the game…for me it is quite logical. It doesn’t matter how big or small you are, if you don’t have the ball you can’t score.” (Rodgers 2012)
        Rodgers states that the key to the success of his approach to the game is not to give fluency to players in such a way that the ‘total football’ does so that the Japanese U17’s more recently impressed with at the U17 World Cup (2011):
        “My template for everything is organisation. With the ball you have to know the movement patterns, the rotation, the fluidity and positioning of the team. Then there’s our defensive organisation…so if it is not going well we have a default mechanism which makes us hard to beat and we can pass our way into the game again. Rest with the ball. Then we’ll build again.” (Rodgers 2012)
        The ‘Tika-Taka’ approach still does however require a whole new set of fundamentals to be in place in order to work. Players need to trust their team mates to do the right thing when they are on the ball and the success of the formation relies on every player to be doing their set of jobs in the correct way. The approach works on the principles that ‘the whole is greater that then sum of its parts’:
        “The strength of us is the team. Leo Messi has made it very difficult for players who think they are good players. He’s a real team player. He is ultimately the best player in the world and may go on to become the best ever. But he’s also a team player…If you have someone like Messi doing it then I’m sure my friend Nathan Dyer can do it. It is an easy sell.” (Rodgers 2012)
        The Tika-Taka Approach
        Brendan Rodgers recently sketched out his formation and explain his approach to the game for journalist Duncan White. First, he divides the pitch into eight zones and then plots out his formation. The division of zones is suggestive that each player when in possession should play a particular role, including the goal keeper and two centre backs:
        “When we have the football everybody’s a player. The difference with us is that when we have the ball we play with 11 men, other teams play with 10 and a goalkeeper.” (Rodgers 2012)
        The formation is nothing new, however, it’s the way in which each player is used within the formation that allows the approach to work. Therefore an adjustment must be made in the traditional view of this formation from a 4-5-1/ 4-3-3/ 3-4-3 to a 1-4-5-1, 1-4-3-3, 1-3-4-3 or even a 1-2-6-1. The point here is that the formation has lost its simplicity of which it can be viewed. The formation is now one not viewed as defence, midfield and attack but instead, over 7 zones of the pitch. Barcelona use a similar system: many noted their recent change in formation from a 4-3-3 to a 3-4-3 with the introduction of Cesc Fabregas, but the truth is they have not really changed formation as much as many have been led to believe.
        The centre forward, creative inside wingers and attacking wing backs have been consistent features of many formations through out generations and their roles do not change with much significance. It is the role of zones 1, 2, 3 and 5 that act as the core to the build up play and the success in retaining possession over the entire duration of the game.
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        • The goalkeeper is seen as the sweeper and has a set of similar roles (in possession) to zones 2 and 3. The keeper is expected to act as a pressure relief for under pressure team mates.
        • Zone 2 consists of two centre backs who, unlike in other formations, are expected to play a huge role in keeping possession. They also act as pressure relief to the midfield and an obvious option for the goal keeper to play the ball out to. Instead of passing the ball 30, 40 or even 50 yards the majority of their passes will be kept under 10 yards.
        • Zone 3 has arguably the most important role to play in keeping possession. This player must be particularly good at keeping possession under pressure from opponents and will often see their passes also being played short for the duration of the game.
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          Leon Britton, Pirlo and Xavi are examples of players who act as the deep lying play makers, the water carriers, the short playing quarterback or the ‘volante de salida’ which simply translates in football terms as the outlet for under-pressure team mates.
          “I get the ball, I pass, I get the ball, I pass, I get the ball, I pass.”  (Xavier Hernandez 2011) Xavi’s  hypnotic approach to the game in a simplified view. Key abilities are not to play the ball out of pressure but to play the ball within high pressure.
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          • Zone 5 have the role of consistently finding space acting as the final piece in the triangular connection between team mates. These two centre midfielders, like the player in zone 3 must have high standards of passing ability and awareness to keep possession but must also have high levels of stamina to work as box-to-box midfielders. They do not necessarily look to create the spectacular, but are the catalyst in the change of speed in which the possession play is being played at, the moments of which they choose to change speed and direction of the ball are key to the succession in creating opportunities to create an assist or goal. Both zones 3 and 5 will be expected to boast 90% pass completion rates in order for the system to work successfully.
          • Zone 4 are expected to act as support to players in possession are too expected to look to work themselves into the triangular connections made with team mates. They are expected to get forward as play moves up the pitch and follow the ball back when play dictates so. Zone 4 will opt to cross the ball from the opponents byeline rather than from deep, in keeping with the 1950’s optimum assist zone in zone G.
          • Zone 6 will consist of arguably the most creative players on the ball either in the sense of dribbling ability of passing ability to create. Messi, Scott Sinclair, Nathan Dyer, Pedro, Afellay, Cuenca et al are examples of players who play in this system and portray the qualities expected. This zone will also be responsible for much of the goal scoring as well as the assisting of goals.
          • Zone 7 needs a player who is good technically and can hold the ball very well as well as link up the play. The difference here to what a traditional long ball target man will be is the lay off to a team mate will usually follow up with this player spinning away to find space and having full awareness of where space is around him in all areas of the field, the 360 degrees of vision with and without the ball.
          • Zone G is the zone to which optimum chance creation occurs. However, the difference in this system is not that of desperation to play the ball as you get into this zone, but to see if the opportunity is indeed available. If not, then the only viable option is to turn and play the ball back which then may well get played all the way across to the other side of zone G, or even back to the same side if the opponents defensive positioning has changed. Patience is the key here and the general rule that one goal is scored to every nine shots will alter due to the quality of opportunity created being significantly better.
          • Lastly, it is important to remember that the ‘whole is greater than the sum of it’s components’ and the entire team, despite set into separate divisions of the field is expected to work together: to move up together and backwards together, much like the waves of the ocean crashing onto the surface of the beaches.
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            As mentioned before absolute belief that each player will do the right thing is vital. Therefore meaning players will not wait and watch their pass reach the opponents feet, but pass and look for space for yourself trusting not just your team mates but your own ability to pass and that it will reach the team mate you aimed for.
            The ideal is that every player will have constant awareness of every other team mate’s positioning and offer yourself as a passing option whenever possible as many times as possible. As a general rule, players should look up around every 5-10 seconds to give themselves three options before they get the ball, this way the players are never caught out in possession. Expect the ball at any given moment. Ask many centre backs that played in the Bolton team of the early 2000’s and they will inform you that route one was top of the list of options before receiving the ball, this option will have been diminished considerably. Centre backs are also responsible for squeezing up the play to keep the team working together in each area of the field.
            Barcelona play with a higher tempo without the ball, pressurising the opponents high up the field:
            “You win the ball back when there are thirty metres to their goal not eighty” (Guardiola 2009)
            Therefore, all players are expected to defend from the front and learn to keep men behind the ball as much as possible, this approach also allows the keeper to act as a sweeper when the opposition attempts to play high balls over the high back line. A contract in the older approach that defensive players do their duty and the attack wait to counter when their team mates win the ball back.
            The alternative to high pressure, if the players you have struggle with fitness, is the complete opposite. To site back and tackle only in your own half and invite the opponents to try and play their way through you. Taking inspiration from Basketball’s approach of dropping back and protecting ‘the key’. This will encourage the opponents to either play long ball and give the ball back more often than not or encourage the opponents defence to become play makers, who again more often than not are not the best passers of the opposition and will lead to mistakes being made. It is important however, not to get carried away with the counter attacking approach after winning the ball back in deeper positions. Patience and the changes in tempo are key.
            “I get the ball, I pass, I get the ball, I pass, I get the ball, I pass” (Xavier Hernandez 2011)
            Applying to youth football teams
            Total knowledge and understanding are a good place to start alongside the ability to keep the ball for youth football in the UK. Many children are playing in teams not quite understanding their roles in teams throughout the UK.
            An important factor of successful creativity and development is not to punish mistakes, but reward successes. When one is punished for attempting to create, they will refrain from successfully creating in the future because they fear failure. Many coaches in youth football today are killing creativity and taking the good out of the naivety of the youth.
            A handbook should be given to each player not only explaining the roles of their own position but the roles of all other positions to get the full concept of Tika-Taka football.
            “My template for everything is organisation. With the ball you have to know the movement patterns, the rotation, the fluidity and positioning of the team.” (Rodgers 2012)
            Identifying your own youth players skills and potential is key in the selection of roles within the zones when in possession of the ball.
            Practice will make perfect. Perfect football is achievable -
            Maybe one day sunday league football will be enjoyable to play in for every position on the field. We might fail at first, but progress is made through failure.
            Progress will be made.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #1: May 30, 2012 09:48:51 am
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      Reply #2: May 30, 2012 10:05:38 am
      Just to say that I haven't posted this article in support of hiring Brendan Rodgers but more in support of the style of football. I said to someone early last season that I liked watching Swansea and they were Barca-esque and they looked at me like I had two heads.

      I'd like (love) to see us play this way, I'd also like to see the EPL adopt this style of play rather than hoof the ball (soz Carra) as it'd be beautiful to watch.
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      Reply #3: May 30, 2012 11:13:12 am
      Interesting read mate.
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      Reply #4: May 30, 2012 11:13:16 am
      Very clever, very impressive

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      Reply #5: May 30, 2012 11:21:34 am
      Apologies for the length but I thought it was important given it could be the way we'll be playing next season. It also made me a bit jealous that we possibly won't be.

      Strange times.  :dunceblock:
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      Reply #6: May 30, 2012 12:31:06 pm
      Very interesting read that, sounds like you'll have to work very hard to be in this mans XI. thinking about our players in that formation I fancy Agger in zone 3 and Stevie G in zone 6 up with Suarez and big Andy up top (he will fit in no problem). Lucas and Henderson are ideal for those central midfield positions. our full backs are supreme attackers. really doesn't look too bad at all to me and if that team ever happened I woud have Coates back with Skrtel I think he will excell next season no reason not to play him and looks like he can pass the ball! (and shoot!!)


      Very tasty read really.....

      edit - I included a ridiculous picture I made and uploaded impressively quickly with this new phone.... ;D
      « Last Edit: May 30, 2012 12:42:52 pm by Del Boca Vista »
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      Reply #7: May 30, 2012 01:05:12 pm
      edit - I included a ridiculous picture I made and uploaded impressively quickly with this new phone.... ;D


      Tease.
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      Reply #8: May 30, 2012 02:46:57 pm
      I would strongly recommend Jonathan Wilson's book 'Inverting The Pyramid: A History of Football Tactics" to anyone who found this article an interesting read. It's a great book and discusses in detail what he calls "the English pragmatism". Graham Taylor (former Watford and England manager) was one of the exponents of the long ball game, and even him acknowledged that it can only take you so far. That's why I'm happy to see that, if we're looking towards younger managers, we're not going after those long ball bottom-of-the-table-overachievers but managers whose styles are translatable to a bigger scale.

      Obviously style and competency, ability to handle pressure etc are different things, but it is an encouraging sign.
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      Reply #9: May 30, 2012 05:34:35 pm
      I wish I had a crystal ball, I would've called this thread 'The New LFC Style of Play - Tiki Taka Football'.

      Damn my lack of foresight.
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      Reply #10: May 30, 2012 08:46:54 pm
      Del Boca you could teach 'arry a thing or two though. Another good article and amazing how many there have been hiding away (or more realistically I've been ignorantly ignoring as it wasn't to do with LFC).
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #11: May 30, 2012 08:56:57 pm
         
      • The goalkeeper is seen as the sweeper and has a set of similar roles (in possession) to zones 2 and 3. The keeper is expected to act as a pressure relief for under pressure team mates.
      • Zone 2 consists of two centre backs who, unlike in other formations, are expected to play a huge role in keeping possession. They also act as pressure relief to the midfield and an obvious option for the goal keeper to play the ball out to. Instead of passing the ball 30, 40 or even 50 yards the majority of their passes will be kept under 10 yards.
         

      Reina Agger and Skrtel will love this!!!!

      Carra is fooked tho!!
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      Reply #12: May 30, 2012 09:56:53 pm
      Good read that.

      F***ing hell...I think we're gonna win the league.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #13: May 30, 2012 10:08:32 pm
      I am actually very supportive of this style of football. It's the kind I love playing and love watching.

      A book called "Barca - Making of the Greatest Team in the World" talked a bit about it and it was really nice and informative.
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      Reply #14: May 30, 2012 10:27:21 pm
      Reina Agger and Skrtel will love this!!!!

      Carra is fooked tho!!

      Cheers for that quote Bri, it made me look intelligent.

      And then I typed this.

       :depressed:
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      Reply #15: May 30, 2012 10:51:12 pm
      Reina Agger and Skrtel will love this!!!!

      Carra is fooked tho!!

      Maxi & Suarez too and maybe Kuyt.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #16: May 30, 2012 11:42:31 pm
      I wish I had a crystal ball, I would've called this thread 'The New LFC Style of Play - Tiki Taka Football'.

      Nah, I like the current title, it amuses me to see the phrase 'Barcelona or Swansea'  :laugh:
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      Reply #17: May 31, 2012 07:12:35 am
      I wish I had a crystal ball, I would've called this thread 'The New LFC Style of Play - Tiki Taka Football'.

      Damn my lack of foresight.

      Know what mate, I'd ask a Mod nicely if they can tinker with the title and get it into The Kop - kind of makes sense.

      Agree with Rep on the Barca/Swansea thing though.

      Maybe call it 'How Liverpool can now play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.'
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      Reply #18: May 31, 2012 10:09:51 am
      Sorry but this is nothing new

      "The secret is that our Liverpool team never know when to stop running and working. At Anfield we have always believed in players supporting each other and concentrating on not giving the ball away. You can't go charging forward all the time, willy-nilly. You must have patience, and this is where we can play the Continentals at their own game."  Sir Bob

      and

      "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Sir Bob again

      and

      Q "Who is Liverpool's best defender"
      A. "Ian Rush"       Sammy Lee

      and finally

      'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'   The Immortal Bill Shankly
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      Reply #19: May 31, 2012 10:46:45 am
      Know what mate, I'd ask a Mod nicely if they can tinker with the title and get it into The Kop - kind of makes sense.

      Agree with Rep on the Barca/Swansea thing though.

      Maybe call it 'How Liverpool can now play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.'

      Done. We'll see. ;)
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      Reply #20: May 31, 2012 10:55:32 am
      Sorry but this is nothing new

      "The secret is that our Liverpool team never know when to stop running and working. At Anfield we have always believed in players supporting each other and concentrating on not giving the ball away. You can't go charging forward all the time, willy-nilly. You must have patience, and this is where we can play the Continentals at their own game."  Sir Bob

      and

      "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Sir Bob again

      and

      Q "Who is Liverpool's best defender"
      A. "Ian Rush"       Sammy Lee

      and finally

      'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'   The Immortal Bill Shankly

      Surely the fact that the era the quotes you give are from dictate that it will be something new? Though we've played like that we haven't done it consistently and Rodgers had Swansea playing like that consistently. Time for a fresh start with a manager who, judging solely on your quotes, has the same train of thought as the greats you mention. Onwards and upwards eh? ;)
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      Reply #21: May 31, 2012 12:14:31 pm
      Different to what we have seen recently but not new.
      Pass and Move It's the Liverpool Groove????
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      Reply #22: May 31, 2012 12:24:45 pm
      Different to what we have seen recently but not new.
      Pass and Move It's the Liverpool Groove????

      New for a new generation. ;)

      Tiki Taki play, It's The Liverpool Way. :P
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      Reply #23: May 31, 2012 06:55:20 pm
      I think that our team fits incredibly well with that system barring a couple players. I think Enrique will struggle as he dwells on the ball too long and struggles with his crosses and with his off foot. Downing will struggle unless he is played on the right. I think we could be dominant if we ran this
      -----------------Reina----------------
      ----------Skrtel--------Agger--------
      ------------------Lucas---------------
      Johnson----------------------New LB
      ----------Gerrard----Henderson----
      Suarez----------------------Bellamy
      ----------------Carroll---------------
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      Reply #24: May 31, 2012 07:37:04 pm
      I'm downloading some Swansea matches so I can analyze Rodgers' playing style a bit more
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #25: May 31, 2012 07:47:44 pm
      Swansea play a very good version of tiki-taka (I thought that's how it was spelt?). They constantly play the ball to a player under pressure from an opponent to suck in as many as possible and create space behind them... Have a look at this - count the passes to a player under pressure.

      Swansealona Playing Total Football - Lita Goal
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      Reply #26: May 31, 2012 08:28:23 pm
      Hi swans fan here brace yourselves for the second coming of Shankly, Rogers is the best manager swans ever had, given time and mutual respect and you will be back to the old Liverpool. A quote from our club captain says Rogers treats them like adults,has excellent training skills and is a fine coach. Treasure him welcome him and he will make you champions again.             If you dont want him send him back to Swansea there are thousand of broken hearts here at the moment ,but such is the stature of the man which is why we dont blame him for going to such a big club. Good luck to you all. Our hearts go with you.
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      Reply #27: May 31, 2012 09:29:27 pm
      Hi swans fan here brace yourselves for the second coming of Shankly, Rogers is the best manager swans ever had, given time and mutual respect and you will be back to the old Liverpool. A quote from our club captain says Rogers treats them like adults,has excellent training skills and is a fine coach. Treasure him welcome him and he will make you champions again.             If you dont want him send him back to Swansea there are thousand of broken hearts here at the moment ,but such is the stature of the man which is why we dont blame him for going to such a big club. Good luck to you all. Our hearts go with you.

      Nice one

      I dont think hell take long to win over any doubters here.

      Hopefully you get a man in that will keep you playing the way you did this season
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      Reply #28: May 31, 2012 10:16:58 pm
      Very kind words, Rocky77 and much appreciated!
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      Reply #29: May 31, 2012 10:20:22 pm
      Hi swans fan here brace yourselves for the second coming of Shankly, Rogers is the best manager swans ever had, given time and mutual respect and you will be back to the old Liverpool. A quote from our club captain says Rogers treats them like adults,has excellent training skills and is a fine coach. Treasure him welcome him and he will make you champions again.             If you dont want him send him back to Swansea there are thousand of broken hearts here at the moment ,but such is the stature of the man which is why we dont blame him for going to such a big club. Good luck to you all. Our hearts go with you.

      Sound kid and +1!!
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      Reply #30: May 31, 2012 10:22:21 pm
      Damien Comolli would of been happy with those stats.  ;)
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      Reply #31: May 31, 2012 10:23:08 pm
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      Reply #32: May 31, 2012 11:08:41 pm
      Hi swans fan here brace yourselves for the second coming of Shankly, Rogers is the best manager swans ever had, given time and mutual respect and you will be back to the old Liverpool. A quote from our club captain says Rogers treats them like adults,has excellent training skills and is a fine coach. Treasure him welcome him and he will make you champions again.             If you dont want him send him back to Swansea there are thousand of broken hearts here at the moment ,but such is the stature of the man which is why we dont blame him for going to such a big club. Good luck to you all. Our hearts go with you.

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      No, you're absolutely right, it's nothing new. Barca staff have admitted that their style is an evolution of tactics and styles copied from the likes of Liverpool and Ajax. I think the 'pass-and-move' style will always be the best way to go about the game but you have to evolve and tweek it. I'm delighted that we have a manager that wants us to play such a style (before I get abuse, I believe Kenny was heading in a similar direction) but with a modern interpretation, not a style from our glory days which is now outdated and can be countered.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #33: May 31, 2012 11:11:48 pm
      Tika-taka, long ball, high pressing, counter attacking, possession football - I don't give a F**k, I just want winning football.
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      Reply #34: May 31, 2012 11:26:10 pm
       Omg, I was confused by the time i got to the picture of the formation, then after that i was F****d.  Its far easier to watch this style of play and understand it than it is to read it  :lmao:
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      Reply #35: May 31, 2012 11:43:21 pm
      Pre seasons going to be interesting lots of new stuff to implement, glad he's bought his own staff.

      This coming season has to be about development and progress though to Tika Taka! Really excited and have a good feeling about Rodgers, exactly what this club needs. Reckon we could see plenty of transfer action especially in zones 4 & 5!
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      Reply #36: May 31, 2012 11:52:41 pm

      ;D

      Hi swans fan here brace yourselves for the second coming of Shankly, Rogers is the best manager swans ever had, given time and mutual respect and you will be back to the old Liverpool. A quote from our club captain says Rogers treats them like adults,has excellent training skills and is a fine coach. Treasure him welcome him and he will make you champions again.             If you dont want him send him back to Swansea there are thousand of broken hearts here at the moment ,but such is the stature of the man which is why we dont blame him for going to such a big club. Good luck to you all. Our hearts go with you.

      Fair play, love that sh*t. ;)

      Good luck with your new man whoever he may be.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #37: Jun 01, 2012 12:15:44 am
      Very interesting read, dare say that imagine we still had Alonso, Mascherano + Torres (who are all at their peaks right now) fitting into this formation, my god that would be the stuff dreams are made of!

      I think this is definitely an approach that we should be looking towards replicating but think we need to acquire at least 2 more players to fit that bill, a top, young, fast, creative winger (dont think downing is good enough, bellamy a little too old now) an maybe another LB who would contend with Enrique for a place.


                                Reina
                       Skrtel        Agger
         Johnson                       Enrique/New LB
                                Lucas
                         Gerrard     Henderson
           New Winger                         Suarez
                                Carroll

      Also plenty of suitability to chop an change positions: Agger could move up to DM, Suarez up front, Gerrard wing, Johnson LB etc.

      Expect Coates an Kelly to definitely challenge for places next season, mainly CB an RWB.
      Spearing, Gerrard, Henderson, Adam, Agger back up for DM
      Adam, Shelvey, Lucas backup for CM (also maybe Aquilani an Cole depending if they stay)
      Downing, Bellamy, Maxi?, Kuyt?, Gerrard, Shelvey, Cole?, Sterling Backup for Wingers
      Suarez, Kuyt, Bellamy backup for lead man.

      REALLY looking forward to next season now, not expecting CL places but definitely would be happy with a good challenge for it and a good few cup + europe runs, would put us in good stead to claim a place in 2013/14, onwards and upwards YNWA.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #38: Jun 01, 2012 12:14:42 pm
      http://youtu.be/lS1sAcAAayA


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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #39: Jun 01, 2012 12:37:35 pm
      Good read that.. Thanks for posting.
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      Reply #40: Jun 04, 2012 04:24:22 pm
      http://youtu.be/lS1sAcAAayA


      Swansea Reserves v Our Reserves.

      Na Na -  Na Na Na ...
      Whose got the ball?



      http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/is-this-how-lfc-will-play-video


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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #41: Jun 04, 2012 04:43:09 pm
      http://youtu.be/lS1sAcAAayA


      Swansea Reserves v Our Reserves.

      Na Na -  Na Na Na ...
      Whose got the ball?

      In that video it looked like we only had 10 players on the pitch.  Perhaps one of our lads was off with an injury or someone picked up a red card.  It is relatively easy to play a game of possession when you have a 1 man advantage....

      However, when watching the Swans senior side it is obvious that they keep possession like the best teams in Europe!!  I think with a few adjustments to our squad, we can play an attractive, possession based style of footie.  I just hope we can be more effective at picking up points next season than we were this season!!!
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #42: Jun 04, 2012 05:25:50 pm
      The other team not having the ball for 10 minutes is all well and good but I can picture the comments when after 90 minutes of possession the score is 0-0. Patience will be called for while we search for our "cutting edge" in the early months of the Rodgers' era. In the long run I'm confident patience will be rewarded.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #43: Jun 04, 2012 09:05:08 pm
      My sort of thread this (albeit similar to the other one Mick started), Just love talking footy tactics and which players suit them. I think the biggest difference between the way Barca play when compared to the likes of the great LFC and Ajax sides is the speed and tenacity inwhich they press the ball when they lose it. Because it is almost exclusively a short passing approach (with the exception of switch balls) it means that whenever they lose the ball they are pretty much guaranteed to have 2 or 3 players in close proximity to the ball and hence they are able to exert intense pressure on the opposition immmediately. And given that the oppo might not have seen much of the ball up to that point it is often like a hot potato at that point.
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      Reply #44: Jun 04, 2012 09:13:07 pm
      The other team not having the ball for 10 minutes is all well and good but I can picture the comments when after 90 minutes of possession the score is 0-0. Patience will be called for while we search for our "cutting edge" in the early months of the Rodgers' era. In the long run I'm confident patience will be rewarded.

      I think you're spot on, I think it was Arsene Wenger who better described Swansea's style, and I remember him using the words "conservative possession". Swansea were praised for their attacking game but often also criticized for keeping possession in its own half, and it can be frustrating, especially at LFC where the expectations of victory are much bigger. There are always different sides to a same problem though, and one could point to the limitations of his Swansea squad as one of the reasons to be more conservative at times. Anyway, I believe in the early stages of Rodgers' time as LFC manager, we may see a bit of a struggle to be more adventurous with the possession we were already keeping under Kenny (33 times out of 38 we had more possession than our opponents last season), but I have the utmost confidence that, with time, we'll see our team making a much better use of the ball. We are not that far from it yet IMO, we just need more cohesion and a better defined structure to our team. With that, I can see a big jump in quality next season.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #45: Jun 04, 2012 09:51:55 pm
      Why Pressing is Important in the 4-3-3
       
      As Barcelona have shown, pressing is as much an art to them as a through ball, with Pep Guardiola claiming that his side would not be as effective as they are were it not for the mechanism put in place of pressing the ball when it is lost. And after watching Barca’s dismantling of Arsenal in this year’s Champions League, many felt that that was the key difference between the two teams – that Barcelona had a more thorough defensive system in place to complement their attacking style. The need to press in either sides variant of 4-3-3 is a pertinent one as it allows allows the side to remain compact in a way not offered by most formations. Typical formations are more concerned with zones therefore when possession changes hands, they can more easily fall back into a defensive block to retain their shape and press within. “There is less high-intensity pressing from the front in advance areas (in top-level European football),” says Fulham boss Roy Hodgson. “This is partly because concern of the interpretation of the offside law has led to teams to play deeper. Sides are sill compact, but this is mainly in their own half of the pitch.” Teams who played a similar style – the Ajax sides of the late 60′s0/early 70′s, Dynamo Kyiv and Holland in ’74 – were able to do this because the interpretation of the offside law meant they could play in a small area of the pitch to squeeze the opponents.
       
      The 4-3-3 deployed by Barcelona and Arsenal is unique in that, when in possession, in order to be dynamic in attack and offer more angles in the pass, the side is required to stretch play up the pitch. However that is also what makes it such a specialised formation in the modern game because the danger is, when you lose the ball, the distances between your players will be large and thus presents a great opportunity for opponents to exploit. Therefore, the need arises for the team to compress space and that is best served by pressing the opposition when the ball is lost. Which sounds simple enough, however, pressuring still requires a structure –  a framework –  which all players should be willing to conform to. And that, in essence, was the gulf in execution between Barcelona and Arsenal in both legs of the quarter-final.
       
      A Matter of Distances
       
      Much of Arsene Wenger’s talk early in the season was one of maintaining correct distances and indeed the different defensive assignments he gave to his players led him to label the formation as a 4-1-4-1. The midfield four behind Robin van Persie as it were, were to pressure along the same band as each other with Alex Song the self-titled stopper of counter attacks.
       
      The auxiliary left central midfielder was to have a stabilizing role – one to cover for the left forward (who was usually Andrey Arshavin because of his tendency to drift infield) and the other, to drop slightly more deeper to help out Song.
       
      That ploy would of course allow Cesc Fabregas to push further up the field and enable the captain to exert greater influence between the lines and pressure higher. However, slowly but surely, as Arsenal’s goals dried after van Persie’s injury, Fabregas was pushed closer to the main forward in order to create goals but rather than it multiplying his impact, it proceeded to inadvertently upset the balance of the side.
       
      That problem was in part highlighted in the 2-1 defeat against FC  Porto, where Swansea manager Paulo Sousa, commentating for ITV Sport, mentioned that Arsenal’s problem with pressing was in balancing their intensity. The gap between attack – the first line of pressure – and defence was too large and that made it a difficult transition from the attacking phase to the defensive phase. So if Tomas Rosicky, starting on the left in that game, pressured the right-back high up the pitch – of which he attempted on a number of occasions – his hard work would invariably fall flat as one pass could essentially free the defender from the Czech’s advances. And that made it all the more difficult for Rosicky to track back as the ball is hit forward quickly.
       
      In truth, that was only half the story as Porto purposely made it difficult for Arsenal by looking to stretch the game as much as possible, defending very deep and stationing the three forwards in direct confrontation with the Gunners defenders at all times. Nevertheless the idea was to expose burgeoning problems in Arsenal’s defensive phase which, after a good start to the season, was feeling the strain of chasing silverware.
       
      The Cesc Fabregas Question
       
      Arsene Wenger once stated you are more worried about correcting the creative side of a team than the defensive balance and indeed as Arsenal’s attacking play started to become stale, Cesc Fabregas was pushed higher up the pitch. The game against Liverpool, following successive defeats to Chelsea and Manchester United, saw Arsenal attempt to revert to a more pragmatic approach to balance both sides and it proved successful. The full-backs got tighter to their opposing wingers and likewise the two central midfielders to their opposite numbers while Fabregas and Arshavin led the way in closing down aggressively high up the field. And just as that re-found stability looked set to reignite Arsenal’s title challenge, old habits soon kicked in.
       
      The biggest problem is seemingly in the centre where teams, especially during December and January, where able to profit from the gaps in the centre. On paper, it looks like pushing Fabregas higher may have had an adverse impact on the balance. Yet, Barcelona, in their new variant of 4-3-3, whereby Guardiola has deployed Messi in an interior role similar to Fabregas indicates that is not necessarily the case. The difference comes in how rigidly Barcelona stick to their individual and collective assignments and press aggressively not just the ball carrier, but to eliminate all passing options completely. That means when the forward presses, he will continue all the way even if the ball is passed backwards while his team-mates back him up by looking to get tight and at times, get in front of potential passing options. That tactic may in part explain why opponents are not so willing to go direct as confidently against Barcelona and of which enables the Barca defenders to be more assured in taking the risk to push up. Because it is true that, if teams go direct more quickly, as Inter did in their 3-1 win, Barcelona can be exposed from the ball over the top. Indeed, Aston Villa, Burnley, Everton, Fulham and West Ham have displayed similar tactics against Arsenal, stopping the Gunners from passing the ball out from deep and profiting through gaps in the channels.
       
      If one uses the example of Rafael Marquez in the second leg, four or five could go and press him as they did in Arsenal’s 4-1-4-1 in the defensive phase but that would surely result in inefficiency. It may theoretically claustrophobe the target but not necessarily stop him making a pass to an opponent were he was in space. So when Marquez had the ball, having the vision the Mexican has and the movement his teammate’s do, all it took was for Xavi or Buqsquets to drop into a pocket of space and an opportunity opened up. And on the occasions that one player did press Marquez, the others did not quite follow up and get tight on the potential passing options on offer. What that will inevitably lead to is inefficient pressing, which if not followed through correctly will become false pressing – which is not exactly pressing at all.  The different defensive assignments Wenger has given to his players are there for a reason and are there to help balance the side defensively – the 4-3-3 can feel like chain reactions and one player’s movement can impact on the effectiveness of another. Simon Kuper, writing for the Financial Times, wrote of how Bayern Munich’s strikers, under Louis Van Gaal, “harries their defenders, not in order to win the ball but to pressure a pass to central midfield, where Bayern will win it.”
       
      It is an area Arsenal must improve upon otherwise repeats of how Denilson was exposed in the centre during the 3-1 defeat to Manchester United are likely occur again. It seems at the moment, the Brazilian is stuck in transition of which system of marking to follow - zonal, man-marking or neither. Gael Clichy’s indifferent early form goes some way to suggest this is also indicative of more than one of his team-mates. ”With 4-3-3 it’s all about choosing when to go and when to stay rather than just going for the sake of it,” says the left-back.
       
      Final Thoughts
       
      In that respect, Alex Song has been a vital cog in Arsenal’s pressing system as he has looked the one who has most benefited from closing down early. His presence in the middle often results in a better team performance for the Gunners and allows Arsenal to win the ball back quickly. Robin van Persie is also arguably a better presser of the ball than Nicklas Bendtner but it also must be stressed the importance of the role the Dane played early in the season on the right hand side of the attacking trident. That Nasri and Rosicky have had more game time later on in the season in wide areas may have also had an adverse effect on the pressing game as their tendencies are not so forward thinking and quite lackadaisical. Arsenal have also been bad starters of games, only scoring twice in the league in the opening fifteen minutes which can again explain that Arsenal need time to adjust to the distances.
       
      Pressing however, is best realised by a good attacking game, and that Arsenal have not been as dynamic in attacking in the second part, nor as obsessive in possession of the season has probably undermined their confidence in pressing the ball high up. Nevertheless, as a team collective, there is no doubt that the pressing game has been for the better for Arsenal and with the players maturing each time. They have less been exposed on the break as previous seasons and the strain their expansive style causes on the back is not as apparent. Thomas Vermaelen has improved Arsenal’s winning back of the ball and that Arsenal are the best utilisers of the offside trap indicates an effective back line which only needs greater synchronicity with the midfield. “I think we all want to get the ball back very quickly,” explains Bakary Sagna. ”Everyone is defending quicker and the forwards are doing more. It helps us play as a team. We worked a lot on this in pre-season because we changed the formation and we have to keep working on it.”
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #46: Jun 06, 2012 10:22:10 pm
      Barca play brilliant football. I can't EVER remember seeing a team play better football in my life (though in the days of Football Italia on C4, when AC Milan were free to view, and Van Basten, who I still think is the best striker I've even seen - I rem he scored a diving header from the edge of the box, the ball about waist high and it ended in the top corner - Gulliet, Reykard, Baresi etc were also magic to watch. But the football was not quite as 'pure'. Barca pass and move the way you dreamed about when you were a kid. And in Messi, the best player I've ever had the pleasure to watch.

      But teams are learning how to play them, and win. Inter, Chelsea, Real - they all beat Barca the same way, in big matches. They sit back, are strong and defend deep, and score fast on the break or at set pieces.  Real eased to the title this season.
      It's not pretty watching those teams play Barca in this way -- but at the same time, it always strikes me as unusual that Barca have NO other way to play, no plan B. They keep coming in waves, side to side, looking for the gap. And if Messi is off form, IMO it can be a tipping factor.
      With how Real did this season, will be interesting to see what Barca do over the summer, whether they'll look to change/tinker with the style of play in any way.

      Also, a style of play will only get you so far. You need the very best players to be successful (win things) playing this way. Because for me, other areas of Barca's game, like strength, power, are lower priority - so you have to be bloody sure you're so good at that passing game that it mitigates/outweighs those areas you're weaker in.

      It's a bit of a leap to move onto Swansea, and LFC - but here goes. Rogers can introduce a new style of play with a focus on pass and move (Barca type stuff). But unlike at Swansea, teams will come to Anfield and sit back and say 'go on, have a go, break us down', whereas last season teams would have gone to Swansea and had more of a go, had an expectation to get a result, attacked more, giving Rogers boys more room to play their game. Also, to win regularly/consistently, we'd need to have quality players to play this sytle 'well enough' to make it worth our while. Do we have them now? Possibly. Can they adapt? Maybe. Some you can see would be OK, others not so easy to see it.

      Either way, still think it's the best way to play football. If we can somehow combine the pass and move style with a defensive strength and set piece power, we should be grand :)
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      Reply #47: Jun 07, 2012 02:56:08 am
      To embrace this style of play you really have to rethink what defense is. It's not just the classical way of defending, physically strong players, good tacklers etc. There's other ways, and one of them is like Cruijff said: If we have the ball they can't score. Ofcourse, when you do loose the ball sometimes the defense might look really shakey because you have many players in front of the ball and there's alot of space. But it's important to not focus on those individual moments, but instead look at how much you concede in general, look at how effective it is.

      Rodgers took a far more conservative possession approach at Swansea than Barcelona has, why that was and if it will be different at our club remains to be seen. It'll be interesting to see where our defensive line will be. I'm inclined to think that including the keeper into the passing game is his thing, which would mean his defensive line will remain low, and alot of the passing and staying in possession will be done by the defenders, while looking for combinations and openings for a fast breakthrough, often through the flanks.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #48: Jun 19, 2014 06:40:19 pm
      Sorry to resurrect old threads but given the demise this season of Barca and now the Spanish national team 'tika taka' is being declared dead. So do we actually play it. Will we see a change in style or if the right players are involved can it still be successful?
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      Reply #49: Jun 19, 2014 06:45:21 pm
      Sorry to resurrect old threads but given the demise this season of Barca and now the Spanish national team 'tika taka' is being declared dead. So do we actually play it. Will we see a change in style or if the right players are involved can it still be successful?

      I perceived that the first few months of Rodgers' Liverpool saw tiki taka being implemented. I think it's a great style of football and basis to start playing the more progressive, attacking brand we've seen in the past year or so. Now it's much more similar to the gegenpressen style of play that is exhibited by Dortmund and, last year, Bayern Munich. I believe Rodgers cottoned on to this sea change in European football and with the likes of Sturridge and Coutinho signing for us back in January 2013, he was able to replicate something similar with greater success. However I don't believe he could have achieved it without cultivating it from the tiki taka basis he laid down when he first came in.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #50: Jun 19, 2014 10:29:52 pm
      This is worth a read but personally I think the teams that played the best tiki-taka just got too old. All styles need to involve as opposition managers figure out how to deal with them.

      http://whitehouseaddress.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/spains-final-act-tiki-takas-end.html

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