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      How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.

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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #23: May 31, 2012 06:55:20 pm
      I think that our team fits incredibly well with that system barring a couple players. I think Enrique will struggle as he dwells on the ball too long and struggles with his crosses and with his off foot. Downing will struggle unless he is played on the right. I think we could be dominant if we ran this
      -----------------Reina----------------
      ----------Skrtel--------Agger--------
      ------------------Lucas---------------
      Johnson----------------------New LB
      ----------Gerrard----Henderson----
      Suarez----------------------Bellamy
      ----------------Carroll---------------
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      Reply #24: May 31, 2012 07:37:04 pm
      I'm downloading some Swansea matches so I can analyze Rodgers' playing style a bit more
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #25: May 31, 2012 07:47:44 pm
      Swansea play a very good version of tiki-taka (I thought that's how it was spelt?). They constantly play the ball to a player under pressure from an opponent to suck in as many as possible and create space behind them... Have a look at this - count the passes to a player under pressure.

      Swansealona Playing Total Football - Lita Goal
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      Reply #26: May 31, 2012 08:28:23 pm
      Hi swans fan here brace yourselves for the second coming of Shankly, Rogers is the best manager swans ever had, given time and mutual respect and you will be back to the old Liverpool. A quote from our club captain says Rogers treats them like adults,has excellent training skills and is a fine coach. Treasure him welcome him and he will make you champions again.             If you dont want him send him back to Swansea there are thousand of broken hearts here at the moment ,but such is the stature of the man which is why we dont blame him for going to such a big club. Good luck to you all. Our hearts go with you.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #27: May 31, 2012 09:29:27 pm
      Hi swans fan here brace yourselves for the second coming of Shankly, Rogers is the best manager swans ever had, given time and mutual respect and you will be back to the old Liverpool. A quote from our club captain says Rogers treats them like adults,has excellent training skills and is a fine coach. Treasure him welcome him and he will make you champions again.             If you dont want him send him back to Swansea there are thousand of broken hearts here at the moment ,but such is the stature of the man which is why we dont blame him for going to such a big club. Good luck to you all. Our hearts go with you.

      Nice one

      I dont think hell take long to win over any doubters here.

      Hopefully you get a man in that will keep you playing the way you did this season
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #28: May 31, 2012 10:16:58 pm
      Very kind words, Rocky77 and much appreciated!
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      Reply #29: May 31, 2012 10:20:22 pm
      Hi swans fan here brace yourselves for the second coming of Shankly, Rogers is the best manager swans ever had, given time and mutual respect and you will be back to the old Liverpool. A quote from our club captain says Rogers treats them like adults,has excellent training skills and is a fine coach. Treasure him welcome him and he will make you champions again.             If you dont want him send him back to Swansea there are thousand of broken hearts here at the moment ,but such is the stature of the man which is why we dont blame him for going to such a big club. Good luck to you all. Our hearts go with you.

      Sound kid and +1!!
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      Reply #30: May 31, 2012 10:22:21 pm
      Damien Comolli would of been happy with those stats.  ;)
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      Reply #31: May 31, 2012 10:23:08 pm
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      Reply #32: May 31, 2012 11:08:41 pm
      Hi swans fan here brace yourselves for the second coming of Shankly, Rogers is the best manager swans ever had, given time and mutual respect and you will be back to the old Liverpool. A quote from our club captain says Rogers treats them like adults,has excellent training skills and is a fine coach. Treasure him welcome him and he will make you champions again.             If you dont want him send him back to Swansea there are thousand of broken hearts here at the moment ,but such is the stature of the man which is why we dont blame him for going to such a big club. Good luck to you all. Our hearts go with you.

      Thanks, Rocky.
      We've got a Charlie Adam you can have if that will do for now?


      No, you're absolutely right, it's nothing new. Barca staff have admitted that their style is an evolution of tactics and styles copied from the likes of Liverpool and Ajax. I think the 'pass-and-move' style will always be the best way to go about the game but you have to evolve and tweek it. I'm delighted that we have a manager that wants us to play such a style (before I get abuse, I believe Kenny was heading in a similar direction) but with a modern interpretation, not a style from our glory days which is now outdated and can be countered.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #33: May 31, 2012 11:11:48 pm
      Tika-taka, long ball, high pressing, counter attacking, possession football - I don't give a F**k, I just want winning football.
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      Reply #34: May 31, 2012 11:26:10 pm
       Omg, I was confused by the time i got to the picture of the formation, then after that i was F****d.  Its far easier to watch this style of play and understand it than it is to read it  :lmao:
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      Reply #35: May 31, 2012 11:43:21 pm
      Pre seasons going to be interesting lots of new stuff to implement, glad he's bought his own staff.

      This coming season has to be about development and progress though to Tika Taka! Really excited and have a good feeling about Rodgers, exactly what this club needs. Reckon we could see plenty of transfer action especially in zones 4 & 5!
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      Reply #36: May 31, 2012 11:52:41 pm

      ;D

      Hi swans fan here brace yourselves for the second coming of Shankly, Rogers is the best manager swans ever had, given time and mutual respect and you will be back to the old Liverpool. A quote from our club captain says Rogers treats them like adults,has excellent training skills and is a fine coach. Treasure him welcome him and he will make you champions again.             If you dont want him send him back to Swansea there are thousand of broken hearts here at the moment ,but such is the stature of the man which is why we dont blame him for going to such a big club. Good luck to you all. Our hearts go with you.

      Fair play, love that sh*t. ;)

      Good luck with your new man whoever he may be.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #37: Jun 01, 2012 12:15:44 am
      Very interesting read, dare say that imagine we still had Alonso, Mascherano + Torres (who are all at their peaks right now) fitting into this formation, my god that would be the stuff dreams are made of!

      I think this is definitely an approach that we should be looking towards replicating but think we need to acquire at least 2 more players to fit that bill, a top, young, fast, creative winger (dont think downing is good enough, bellamy a little too old now) an maybe another LB who would contend with Enrique for a place.


                                Reina
                       Skrtel        Agger
         Johnson                       Enrique/New LB
                                Lucas
                         Gerrard     Henderson
           New Winger                         Suarez
                                Carroll

      Also plenty of suitability to chop an change positions: Agger could move up to DM, Suarez up front, Gerrard wing, Johnson LB etc.

      Expect Coates an Kelly to definitely challenge for places next season, mainly CB an RWB.
      Spearing, Gerrard, Henderson, Adam, Agger back up for DM
      Adam, Shelvey, Lucas backup for CM (also maybe Aquilani an Cole depending if they stay)
      Downing, Bellamy, Maxi?, Kuyt?, Gerrard, Shelvey, Cole?, Sterling Backup for Wingers
      Suarez, Kuyt, Bellamy backup for lead man.

      REALLY looking forward to next season now, not expecting CL places but definitely would be happy with a good challenge for it and a good few cup + europe runs, would put us in good stead to claim a place in 2013/14, onwards and upwards YNWA.
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      Reply #38: Jun 01, 2012 12:14:42 pm
      http://youtu.be/lS1sAcAAayA


      Swansea Reserves v Our Reserves.

      Na Na -  Na Na Na ...
      Whose got the ball?
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #39: Jun 01, 2012 12:37:35 pm
      Good read that.. Thanks for posting.
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      Reply #40: Jun 04, 2012 04:24:22 pm
      http://youtu.be/lS1sAcAAayA


      Swansea Reserves v Our Reserves.

      Na Na -  Na Na Na ...
      Whose got the ball?



      http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/is-this-how-lfc-will-play-video


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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #41: Jun 04, 2012 04:43:09 pm
      http://youtu.be/lS1sAcAAayA


      Swansea Reserves v Our Reserves.

      Na Na -  Na Na Na ...
      Whose got the ball?

      In that video it looked like we only had 10 players on the pitch.  Perhaps one of our lads was off with an injury or someone picked up a red card.  It is relatively easy to play a game of possession when you have a 1 man advantage....

      However, when watching the Swans senior side it is obvious that they keep possession like the best teams in Europe!!  I think with a few adjustments to our squad, we can play an attractive, possession based style of footie.  I just hope we can be more effective at picking up points next season than we were this season!!!
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      Reply #42: Jun 04, 2012 05:25:50 pm
      The other team not having the ball for 10 minutes is all well and good but I can picture the comments when after 90 minutes of possession the score is 0-0. Patience will be called for while we search for our "cutting edge" in the early months of the Rodgers' era. In the long run I'm confident patience will be rewarded.
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      Reply #43: Jun 04, 2012 09:05:08 pm
      My sort of thread this (albeit similar to the other one Mick started), Just love talking footy tactics and which players suit them. I think the biggest difference between the way Barca play when compared to the likes of the great LFC and Ajax sides is the speed and tenacity inwhich they press the ball when they lose it. Because it is almost exclusively a short passing approach (with the exception of switch balls) it means that whenever they lose the ball they are pretty much guaranteed to have 2 or 3 players in close proximity to the ball and hence they are able to exert intense pressure on the opposition immmediately. And given that the oppo might not have seen much of the ball up to that point it is often like a hot potato at that point.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #44: Jun 04, 2012 09:13:07 pm
      The other team not having the ball for 10 minutes is all well and good but I can picture the comments when after 90 minutes of possession the score is 0-0. Patience will be called for while we search for our "cutting edge" in the early months of the Rodgers' era. In the long run I'm confident patience will be rewarded.

      I think you're spot on, I think it was Arsene Wenger who better described Swansea's style, and I remember him using the words "conservative possession". Swansea were praised for their attacking game but often also criticized for keeping possession in its own half, and it can be frustrating, especially at LFC where the expectations of victory are much bigger. There are always different sides to a same problem though, and one could point to the limitations of his Swansea squad as one of the reasons to be more conservative at times. Anyway, I believe in the early stages of Rodgers' time as LFC manager, we may see a bit of a struggle to be more adventurous with the possession we were already keeping under Kenny (33 times out of 38 we had more possession than our opponents last season), but I have the utmost confidence that, with time, we'll see our team making a much better use of the ball. We are not that far from it yet IMO, we just need more cohesion and a better defined structure to our team. With that, I can see a big jump in quality next season.
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      Re: How to play like Barcelona or Swansea: Tika-Taka Football.
      Reply #45: Jun 04, 2012 09:51:55 pm
      Why Pressing is Important in the 4-3-3
       
      As Barcelona have shown, pressing is as much an art to them as a through ball, with Pep Guardiola claiming that his side would not be as effective as they are were it not for the mechanism put in place of pressing the ball when it is lost. And after watching Barca’s dismantling of Arsenal in this year’s Champions League, many felt that that was the key difference between the two teams – that Barcelona had a more thorough defensive system in place to complement their attacking style. The need to press in either sides variant of 4-3-3 is a pertinent one as it allows allows the side to remain compact in a way not offered by most formations. Typical formations are more concerned with zones therefore when possession changes hands, they can more easily fall back into a defensive block to retain their shape and press within. “There is less high-intensity pressing from the front in advance areas (in top-level European football),” says Fulham boss Roy Hodgson. “This is partly because concern of the interpretation of the offside law has led to teams to play deeper. Sides are sill compact, but this is mainly in their own half of the pitch.” Teams who played a similar style – the Ajax sides of the late 60′s0/early 70′s, Dynamo Kyiv and Holland in ’74 – were able to do this because the interpretation of the offside law meant they could play in a small area of the pitch to squeeze the opponents.
       
      The 4-3-3 deployed by Barcelona and Arsenal is unique in that, when in possession, in order to be dynamic in attack and offer more angles in the pass, the side is required to stretch play up the pitch. However that is also what makes it such a specialised formation in the modern game because the danger is, when you lose the ball, the distances between your players will be large and thus presents a great opportunity for opponents to exploit. Therefore, the need arises for the team to compress space and that is best served by pressing the opposition when the ball is lost. Which sounds simple enough, however, pressuring still requires a structure –  a framework –  which all players should be willing to conform to. And that, in essence, was the gulf in execution between Barcelona and Arsenal in both legs of the quarter-final.
       
      A Matter of Distances
       
      Much of Arsene Wenger’s talk early in the season was one of maintaining correct distances and indeed the different defensive assignments he gave to his players led him to label the formation as a 4-1-4-1. The midfield four behind Robin van Persie as it were, were to pressure along the same band as each other with Alex Song the self-titled stopper of counter attacks.
       
      The auxiliary left central midfielder was to have a stabilizing role – one to cover for the left forward (who was usually Andrey Arshavin because of his tendency to drift infield) and the other, to drop slightly more deeper to help out Song.
       
      That ploy would of course allow Cesc Fabregas to push further up the field and enable the captain to exert greater influence between the lines and pressure higher. However, slowly but surely, as Arsenal’s goals dried after van Persie’s injury, Fabregas was pushed closer to the main forward in order to create goals but rather than it multiplying his impact, it proceeded to inadvertently upset the balance of the side.
       
      That problem was in part highlighted in the 2-1 defeat against FC  Porto, where Swansea manager Paulo Sousa, commentating for ITV Sport, mentioned that Arsenal’s problem with pressing was in balancing their intensity. The gap between attack – the first line of pressure – and defence was too large and that made it a difficult transition from the attacking phase to the defensive phase. So if Tomas Rosicky, starting on the left in that game, pressured the right-back high up the pitch – of which he attempted on a number of occasions – his hard work would invariably fall flat as one pass could essentially free the defender from the Czech’s advances. And that made it all the more difficult for Rosicky to track back as the ball is hit forward quickly.
       
      In truth, that was only half the story as Porto purposely made it difficult for Arsenal by looking to stretch the game as much as possible, defending very deep and stationing the three forwards in direct confrontation with the Gunners defenders at all times. Nevertheless the idea was to expose burgeoning problems in Arsenal’s defensive phase which, after a good start to the season, was feeling the strain of chasing silverware.
       
      The Cesc Fabregas Question
       
      Arsene Wenger once stated you are more worried about correcting the creative side of a team than the defensive balance and indeed as Arsenal’s attacking play started to become stale, Cesc Fabregas was pushed higher up the pitch. The game against Liverpool, following successive defeats to Chelsea and Manchester United, saw Arsenal attempt to revert to a more pragmatic approach to balance both sides and it proved successful. The full-backs got tighter to their opposing wingers and likewise the two central midfielders to their opposite numbers while Fabregas and Arshavin led the way in closing down aggressively high up the field. And just as that re-found stability looked set to reignite Arsenal’s title challenge, old habits soon kicked in.
       
      The biggest problem is seemingly in the centre where teams, especially during December and January, where able to profit from the gaps in the centre. On paper, it looks like pushing Fabregas higher may have had an adverse impact on the balance. Yet, Barcelona, in their new variant of 4-3-3, whereby Guardiola has deployed Messi in an interior role similar to Fabregas indicates that is not necessarily the case. The difference comes in how rigidly Barcelona stick to their individual and collective assignments and press aggressively not just the ball carrier, but to eliminate all passing options completely. That means when the forward presses, he will continue all the way even if the ball is passed backwards while his team-mates back him up by looking to get tight and at times, get in front of potential passing options. That tactic may in part explain why opponents are not so willing to go direct as confidently against Barcelona and of which enables the Barca defenders to be more assured in taking the risk to push up. Because it is true that, if teams go direct more quickly, as Inter did in their 3-1 win, Barcelona can be exposed from the ball over the top. Indeed, Aston Villa, Burnley, Everton, Fulham and West Ham have displayed similar tactics against Arsenal, stopping the Gunners from passing the ball out from deep and profiting through gaps in the channels.
       
      If one uses the example of Rafael Marquez in the second leg, four or five could go and press him as they did in Arsenal’s 4-1-4-1 in the defensive phase but that would surely result in inefficiency. It may theoretically claustrophobe the target but not necessarily stop him making a pass to an opponent were he was in space. So when Marquez had the ball, having the vision the Mexican has and the movement his teammate’s do, all it took was for Xavi or Buqsquets to drop into a pocket of space and an opportunity opened up. And on the occasions that one player did press Marquez, the others did not quite follow up and get tight on the potential passing options on offer. What that will inevitably lead to is inefficient pressing, which if not followed through correctly will become false pressing – which is not exactly pressing at all.  The different defensive assignments Wenger has given to his players are there for a reason and are there to help balance the side defensively – the 4-3-3 can feel like chain reactions and one player’s movement can impact on the effectiveness of another. Simon Kuper, writing for the Financial Times, wrote of how Bayern Munich’s strikers, under Louis Van Gaal, “harries their defenders, not in order to win the ball but to pressure a pass to central midfield, where Bayern will win it.”
       
      It is an area Arsenal must improve upon otherwise repeats of how Denilson was exposed in the centre during the 3-1 defeat to Manchester United are likely occur again. It seems at the moment, the Brazilian is stuck in transition of which system of marking to follow - zonal, man-marking or neither. Gael Clichy’s indifferent early form goes some way to suggest this is also indicative of more than one of his team-mates. ”With 4-3-3 it’s all about choosing when to go and when to stay rather than just going for the sake of it,” says the left-back.
       
      Final Thoughts
       
      In that respect, Alex Song has been a vital cog in Arsenal’s pressing system as he has looked the one who has most benefited from closing down early. His presence in the middle often results in a better team performance for the Gunners and allows Arsenal to win the ball back quickly. Robin van Persie is also arguably a better presser of the ball than Nicklas Bendtner but it also must be stressed the importance of the role the Dane played early in the season on the right hand side of the attacking trident. That Nasri and Rosicky have had more game time later on in the season in wide areas may have also had an adverse effect on the pressing game as their tendencies are not so forward thinking and quite lackadaisical. Arsenal have also been bad starters of games, only scoring twice in the league in the opening fifteen minutes which can again explain that Arsenal need time to adjust to the distances.
       
      Pressing however, is best realised by a good attacking game, and that Arsenal have not been as dynamic in attacking in the second part, nor as obsessive in possession of the season has probably undermined their confidence in pressing the ball high up. Nevertheless, as a team collective, there is no doubt that the pressing game has been for the better for Arsenal and with the players maturing each time. They have less been exposed on the break as previous seasons and the strain their expansive style causes on the back is not as apparent. Thomas Vermaelen has improved Arsenal’s winning back of the ball and that Arsenal are the best utilisers of the offside trap indicates an effective back line which only needs greater synchronicity with the midfield. “I think we all want to get the ball back very quickly,” explains Bakary Sagna. ”Everyone is defending quicker and the forwards are doing more. It helps us play as a team. We worked a lot on this in pre-season because we changed the formation and we have to keep working on it.”

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