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      Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)

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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2070: Sep 02, 2015 12:45:53 pm
      He was Fiat price, not Lamborghini price tho.

      Borini= cheap player being crap shocker.
      My world view has been shattered.

      Ah yes, but the comment was made in the context of

      Borini
      Balotelli
      Aquilani
      Dossena

      We wanted Ferraris.
      We got Fiats.
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2071: Sep 02, 2015 12:51:03 pm
      Ah yes, but the comment was made in the context of

      Borini
      Balotelli
      Aquilani
      Dossena

      We wanted Ferraris.
      We got Fiats.


      Any chance of Jeremy Clarkson buying the club?
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2072: Sep 02, 2015 01:02:18 pm
      I'd take a few Italians, still. He is definitely not one i'd like back.

      Never seen such an inept striker. He can't shot, isn't quick, can't pass and his movement resembles a baby just finding his feet. The lad grafts but pay me millions and i'd run all f**king day.

      Sunderland have been mugged off paying that much for him.
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2073: Sep 06, 2015 11:32:30 pm
      I remember saying before we signed him that he wasn't good enough.

      The response?

      "Well he made it into the Italian national team squad at the 2012 Euros, he MUST be good!"

      I mean f**king hell, how thick do you have to be...
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2074: Sep 07, 2015 01:00:15 am
      I remember saying before we signed him that he wasn't good enough.

      The response?

      "Well he made it into the Italian national team squad at the 2012 Euros, he MUST be good!"

      I mean f**king hell, how thick do you have to be...

      Want a wallypop lad?
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2075: Sep 07, 2015 04:10:10 am

      it's actually quite serious.  We have limited resources at our club.  When signings don't come off we can't just have the owners write us a blank cheque like they can at City or Chelsea.  So we have to be incredibly careful with who we bring in because we can't afford for it not to work.

      By the time he came to us, he had already played for FOUR different clubs by the age of 21.  That doesn't raise a red flag to you?  as if his mediocrity in playing for those clubs wasn't enough already.  Being picked for your national team doesn't necessarily mean anything.  F***ing hell even Stewart Downing got picked for England when he was playing for us, whilst showing game after game that he too was one of the worst signings we've ever made.

      And yet people used that as a stick, "hey Borini must be good, Rodgers likes him and he's been picked for the Euros," etc etc.  Lo and behold, it turns out he was indeed sh*te, cost us a ridiculous fee plus his wages plus time trying to bed him into a side he was never good enough for. 

      And the people who made THAT decision are the same people who are making the decisions TODAY.

      that doesn't worry you---okay then.
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      Reply #2076: Sep 07, 2015 05:19:09 am
      it's actually quite serious.  We have limited resources at our club.  When signings don't come off we can't just have the owners write us a blank cheque like they can at City or Chelsea.  So we have to be incredibly careful with who we bring in because we can't afford for it not to work.

      By the time he came to us, he had already played for FOUR different clubs by the age of 21.  That doesn't raise a red flag to you?  as if his mediocrity in playing for those clubs wasn't enough already.  Being picked for your national team doesn't necessarily mean anything.  F***ing hell even Stewart Downing got picked for England when he was playing for us, whilst showing game after game that he too was one of the worst signings we've ever made.

      And yet people used that as a stick, "hey Borini must be good, Rodgers likes him and he's been picked for the Euros," etc etc.  Lo and behold, it turns out he was indeed sh*te, cost us a ridiculous fee plus his wages plus time trying to bed him into a side he was never good enough for. 

      And the people who made THAT decision are the same people who are making the decisions TODAY.

      that doesn't worry you---okay then.

      Surely you can express your opinion with always lambasting everyone in the process? You're angry, we get that. Does that mean you've got to constantly belittle and disregard?
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2077: Sep 07, 2015 06:07:56 am
      I remember saying before we signed him that he wasn't good enough.

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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2078: Sep 07, 2015 07:39:29 am
      Surely you can express your opinion with always lambasting everyone in the process? You're angry, we get that. Does that mean you've got to constantly belittle and disregard?


      what do you want???  Rodgers and FSG are turning us year by year into Aston Villa!!  lowering expectations, signing mid-table rubbish, and you want people to smile and be nice to them??

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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2079: Sep 07, 2015 07:49:11 am
      He was Fiat price, not Lamborghini price tho.

      Borini= cheap player being crap shocker.
      My world view has been shattered.

      I think the horrendous Italian national team should be the thing shattering your view. The mighty have fallen.
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2080: Sep 07, 2015 07:50:59 am

      what do you want???  Rodgers and FSG are turning us year by year into Aston Villa!!  lowering expectations, signing mid-table rubbish, and you want people to smile and be nice to them??



      Rogers must be one hell of a manager to get us so far up the table with mid table rubbish for players.
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2081: Sep 07, 2015 07:58:14 am
      it's actually quite serious.  We have limited resources at our club.  When signings don't come off we can't just have the owners write us a blank cheque like they can at City or Chelsea.  So we have to be incredibly careful with who we bring in because we can't afford for it not to work.

      Over the last 5 years we have spent a whopping £340 Million on players (to our Net Spend Fans this is £160 - remove Sterling and Suarez from this and its more like £40 Net over £320 Spend). This is the 4th highest in the Premiership - removing the Van Gaal spending spree and we are 3rd only behind City an Chelsea.  The reality is that we can afford to spend and our owners have invested in the first team more than almost every other team in the league.

      You can lambast the owners, or call me a 'stooge' but this is the reality of the situation - we have a decent transfer spend each season and pay the money to get in good players.

      Where we fail is by;

      Trying to sign players on potential, loaning them out for a few years having never played for us and then selling them on
      Signing players who are not good enough for us

      Borini falls into the latter, however - pre signing for us he was an international player who the manager worked with at 2 clubs before he came here. His record at youth level was impressive and he played for Swansea guiding them to the Premership under Rodgers...

      You have to trust the managers judgement on this. It was his first signing - so when he wanted him the boards hands were tied really... 

      Well done for not backing a player from day 1 (something I would not be proud of) but pointing it out to everyone gets you what exactly? It wont change the transfer policy of the club...
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2082: Sep 07, 2015 08:31:02 am
      Surely you can express your opinion with always lambasting everyone in the process? You're angry, we get that. Does that mean you've got to constantly belittle and disregard?

      He's a f**king idiot who thinks arrogantly that the lesser mortals of this forum are having his bullshit all day.
      Would be embarrassed for him if he were not such a tool.
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2083: Sep 07, 2015 08:46:22 am
      You have to trust the managers judgement on this. It was his first signing - so when he wanted him the boards hands were tied really...

      No.  no no no no no no no.  This is exactly what we have to STOP doing.  His judgment CANNOT be trusted.  He came to our club with a small club mentality.  He wanted to sign Borini, Allen, Dempsey and Sigurdsson the first summer he was here.  Thank f**k we were prevented from signing the latter two by other clubs who did us a huge favour.  I mean just think that one over for a while.  You arrive at a club with one of the best players in the world in Luis Suarez, and your first thought is "I know, I'll play him with Borini and Dempsey." 

      His judgement is absolute rubbish when it comes to players.  If you want to "back" who he wants then we would be in an even worse position than we are now.

      Even FSG know he's awful with talent, hence why they've put so many restrictions on how we go about getting players.  The only surefire successes of his transfer signings are Coutinho and Sturridge.  And if you really wanted to be harsh you could say just Coutinho, as Sturridge might never be able to be relied upon again consistently.

      And this is the person whose judgement you want to back in the transfer market??  if he is going to stay here longterm he needs to be demoted to simply being the head coach, let other people bring in players. 

      If it were up to Rodgers we would have a starting lineup that had Vorm, Ashley Williams, Lovren, Joe Allen, Lallana, Dempsey, Sigurdsson and Borini as its spine.

      And you say "trust him."  Why?  what exactly has he done to earn that trust?  it's not like we all got a collective vote on his being hired or something.  FSG arbitrarily chose him as manager.  But who said we should trust FSG?  the owners who we shouldn't trust decide to hire a manager who has never won anything in his life, who couldn't even cut it at f**king Reading, and by virtue of the fact that he signs his name on a piece of paper suddenly he is deserving of trust and spending massive amounts of our limited financial resources on players because "he likes them."

      ok then.  That sounds like a great plan.

      Then finally we get Klopp or Ancelotti or some other real manager and we have to tell him "sorry, but we don't have any more money because we gave it all to Rodgers and just assumed he would spend it wisely.  Unfortunately he didn't and now we can't go get the real top players that you need."

      THAT is the consequence of it.  Digging ourselves deeper and deeper into mediocrity and handcuffing the spending potential of a manager who SHOULD be trusted, whenever the hell the fraud Rodgers finally gets the boot.
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2084: Sep 07, 2015 10:38:10 am

      *** Only quoted this part otherwise it would be a quote fest in here***

      I agree with many of your points Fed - however we cannot piss and moan about the transfers made by the manager and say he shouldn't be trusted whilst also lambasting the NESV model of having a 'committee' in place...

      If the board don't trust him then they should sack him - simples.

      Replacing him with Klopp - who today started making noise about his next club - will be very expensive. The owners know that, any new manager will demand a bit of money. No ma manager will come in under the terms of 'the last manager spent all our money, please help us!'...

      On Borini, yes in hindsight a player who never made it - but it was an £11 Million gamble that didn't pay off. In his time here he has never bad mouthed the club, fans, players or manager. He wanted to stay and prove he was good enough to play for us. Given who he was playing with I think he should have been banging them in - our team at that time was much better than it is now!

      For me he will go down as a decent player who didn't make it - no hard feelings and fair play to the lad.

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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2085: Sep 08, 2015 04:13:42 pm
      Borini scored 10 goals in all competitions for Roma the season before we signed him. Plus, we signed him for £10.5m which for a striker is hardly expensive.
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2086: Jun 29, 2017 03:54:01 pm
      Looks like he is joining AC Milan, best of luck to him.
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2087: Jun 29, 2017 05:54:07 pm
      Looks like he is joining AC Milan, best of luck to him.

      How?! Seriously, have Milan watched him at all? He was poor for us and even worse for Sunderland.
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2088: Jun 29, 2017 05:58:20 pm
      How?! Seriously, have Milan watched him at all? He was poor for us and even worse for Sunderland.
      No one really knows, it looks like a panic buy,but it does not make any sense. Anyway,i dont think it could get any better for him.
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      Reply #2089: Jun 29, 2017 06:42:54 pm
      How?! Seriously, have Milan watched him at all? He was poor for us and even worse for Sunderland.

      Perhaps but even I feel Borini was better than the sh*t cake of a Sunderland side he was playing in. Christ, I don't think I've ever disliked a relegated team more. Ragged sh*t stained, bug infested sack of a team filled to the brim with Man Utd and Everton rejects like Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Jack Rodwell, Steven Pienaar. Also home to talentless french fried haired minge bag thugs like N'Dong (the c**t who went straight through Coutinho and ruled him out for two months). With a lineup like that Borini looks world class in comparison. And then they gave us ultimate insult but the one that served them their well over due Premier League death rites - getting managed by "The Chosen One". Thank f**k they've fu**ed off! With any luck maybe they can f**k off from the Championship and into League 1!
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2090: Jun 29, 2017 08:45:45 pm
      Perhaps but even I feel Borini was better than the sh*t cake of a Sunderland side he was playing in.
      He really isn't. 6 teams, 82 apps 16 goals at 26 years old? He is meant to be a Striker. This whole problem is he is a championship quality player that keeps ending up at PL sides.
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      Reply #2091: Jun 29, 2017 09:18:44 pm
      He really isn't. 6 teams, 82 apps 16 goals at 26 years old? He is meant to be a Striker. This whole problem is he is a championship quality player that keeps ending up at PL sides.
      His agent must be a magician. :D
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      Reply #2092: Jun 29, 2017 10:04:04 pm
      He really isn't. 6 teams, 82 apps 16 goals at 26 years old? He is meant to be a Striker. This whole problem is he is a championship quality player that keeps ending up at PL sides.

      And still better than sh*t cake Sunderland.
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2093: Jun 29, 2017 10:53:01 pm
      Surprised a club of Milan's stature have gone for him, although perhaps the fact that they've gone from having players like Kaka, Inzaghi, Schevchenko and Crespo in their line up and are now on the verge of signing Fabio Borini goes some way to explaining their disappearance from Europe's top table.

      Still, as others have said, I think he is a lot better than some of the other players tainted by Gollum's colossally sh*t management (and take this as an opportunity to recall just how tits up it has all gone for the Chosen One, who henceforth will be regarded as a complete and utter disaster of Roy Hodgson proportions by the supporters of his last three clubs).
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      Reply #2094: Jun 29, 2017 10:53:32 pm
      He's cost clubs a lot of money over the years, and returned very little.
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      Reply #2095: Jun 29, 2017 11:06:46 pm
      Surprised a club of Milan's stature have gone for him, although perhaps the fact that they've gone from having players like Kaka, Inzaghi, Schevchenko and Crespo in their line up and are now on the verge of signing Fabio Borini goes some way to explaining their disappearance from Europe's top table.

      Still, as others have said, I think he is a lot better than some of the other players tainted by Gollum's colossally sh*t management (and take this as an opportunity to recall just how tits up it has all gone for the Chosen One, who henceforth will be regarded as a complete and utter disaster of Roy Hodgson proportions by the supporters of his last three clubs).

      What a team they were. Makes our European Cup victory in 2005 even more sweeter. Those names you mentioned plus Maldini, Pirlo, Gattuso, Cafu - it felt like taking on an Empire and winning. To me, they were the last great European side to have a bit of mystique about them.
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      Reply #2096: Jun 29, 2017 11:12:07 pm
      What a team they were. Makes our European Cup victory in 2005 even more sweeter. Those names you mentioned plus Maldini, Pirlo, Gattuso, Cafu - it felt like taking on an Empire and winning. To me, they were the last great European side to have a bit of mystique about them.

      That team was top class from start to finish. I still remember the whole lineup from the top of my head: Dida, Cafu, Nesta, Stam, Maldini, Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf, Kaká, Shevchenko, Crespo... with the likes of Serginho and Rui Costa on the bench. Incredible.
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      Reply #2097: Jun 29, 2017 11:21:14 pm
      That team was top class from start to finish. I still remember the whole lineup from the top of my head: Dida, Cafu, Nesta, Stam, Maldini, Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf, Kaká, Shevchenko, Crespo... with the likes of Serginho and Rui Costa on the bench. Incredible.

      And they still had the wise old genius that was Costacurta in the ranks albeit winding his career down by that point. 
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      Re: Fabio Borini (Liverpool > Sunderland)
      Reply #2098: Jun 29, 2017 11:24:12 pm
      That team was top class from start to finish. I still remember the whole lineup from the top of my head: Dida, Cafu, Nesta, Stam, Maldini, Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf, Kaká, Shevchenko, Crespo... with the likes of Serginho and Rui Costa on the bench. Incredible.

      A team of legends, front to back. I had even forgot about Rui Costa! He was to Milan what Nedved was to Juve. Awesome talents.

      I actually find it a little sad to see a club with such a rich history fall so far behind. They should be competing for the league and CL every year.

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