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      Joe Pirlo Allen (Liverpool -> Stoke)

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      5timesacharm
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2200: Jul 02, 2016 11:43:54 am
      Yup, though Joe at his age is probably worth quite a bit more.

      A value that's decreasing the better he plays in this tournament and the closer he gets to his contract end. A new contract would at least have secured his value. There is no business sense, never mind football sense, in doing what we're doing.
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2201: Jul 02, 2016 01:38:04 pm
      Joe has had a fantastic tournament and I'd have no problem with him staying if that's what he wants but he won't be a starting player if he does.

      The problem for Joe is similar to the problem we have with Hendo, he's better playing in a 3 man midfield but Jürgen's preferred system is with a 2 man midfield.

      Is Joe good enough for Jürgen to move away from his preferred system so he can be accommodated?

      Not for me he isn't.
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2202: Jul 02, 2016 01:42:50 pm
      Joe has had a fantastic tournament and I'd have no problem with him staying if that's what he wants but he won't be a starting player if he does.

      The problem for Joe is similar to the problem we have with Hendo, he's better playing in a 3 man midfield but Jürgen's preferred system is with a 2 man midfield.

      Is Joe good enough for Jürgen to move away from his preferred system so he can be accommodated?

      Not for me he isn't.

      The thing is though, Zielinski played CM in a 3 man midfield for Empoli last season so it's not as though Zielinski has been tested much in a 2 man midfield.
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      Reply #2203: Jul 02, 2016 02:05:30 pm
      The thing is though, Zielinski played CM in a 3 man midfield for Empoli last season so it's not as though Zielinski has been tested much in a 2 man midfield.

      I thought he'd played in the middle of the attacking 3 mate but from a deeper role than we would expect an AM to play from so who the hell knows?
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2204: Jul 02, 2016 06:44:29 pm
      There is no business sense, never mind football sense, in doing what we're doing.

      It is about treating the player right and from what I have heard Klopp tells all his players they he will help them the best he can if they see a better future for themselves somewhere else.

      Sometime its not all about business.
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2205: Jul 02, 2016 07:15:53 pm
      I thought he'd played in the middle of the attacking 3 mate but from a deeper role than we would expect an AM to play from so who the hell knows?

      Empoli play in a 4-3-1-2 formation. Zielinski always played on the right hand side of that midfield 3. Probably why he had the license to bomb forward whenever necessary.
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      Reply #2206: Jul 02, 2016 08:22:02 pm
      Empoli play in a 4-3-1-2 formation. Zielinski always played on the right hand side of that midfield 3. Probably why he had the license to bomb forward whenever necessary.

      From what I've read it's his speed of transition between defense and attack that's the attraction mate so maybe that's why he's been earmarked for that 2nd midfield spot, especially from a deeper position.  His heat map nearly always has him around the centre circle and his radar thingy has him very similar to Hendo but with better dribbling.

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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2207: Jul 02, 2016 09:04:30 pm
      From what I've read it's his speed of transition between defense and attack that's the attraction mate so maybe that's why he's been earmarked for that 2nd midfield spot, especially from a deeper position.  His heat map nearly always has him around the centre circle and his radar thingy has him very similar to Hendo but with better dribbling.

      This is what I think Can does immensely, especially when he goes on those powerful marauding runs. Like I said before, he's a very good ball carrier, not only could he transition defense into attack with his marauding runs, but also, relieve the pressure.
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2208: Jul 11, 2016 03:45:23 pm
      Wee Joe named in the Euro team of the tournament. Surely has stamped his value!
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      Reply #2209: Jul 11, 2016 04:03:55 pm
      Wee Joe named in the Euro team of the tournament. Surely has stamped his value!

      There was some sh*t in the Daily Mail last week saying we've upped our asking price to 14m after his performances at the Euros. Every other club increases their asking prices, we may as well do the same.

      Congrats to the lad!
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2210: Jul 20, 2016 09:50:42 pm
      All the best Allen. £13m deal agreed with Stoke
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2211: Jul 20, 2016 09:52:33 pm
      All the best Allen. £13m deal agreed with Stoke

      What?!
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2212: Jul 20, 2016 09:55:59 pm

      Yep. He's off, not confirmed but it has some weight.
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2213: Jul 20, 2016 09:59:54 pm
      Yep. He's off, not confirmed but it has some weight.

      Don't think the boy could do any more to earn a new contract. Klopp just doesn't fancy him it seems.
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2214: Jul 20, 2016 10:02:08 pm
      Don't think the boy could do any more to earn a new contract. Klopp just doesn't fancy him it seems.

      If we had European games, he would have stayed but Klopp made his decision. We have Can, Grujic, Henderson, Milner, Lucas, Stewart, Brannagan so we're covered for this season.
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2215: Jul 20, 2016 10:03:27 pm
      He's a really good player.

      Our floor needs to be at very good though.

      Thanks and good luck kid.
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2216: Jul 20, 2016 10:09:29 pm
      Meh.  No great loss.

      Henderson gone next please.
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2217: Jul 20, 2016 10:11:20 pm
      Meh.  No great loss.

      Henderson gone next please.

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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2218: Jul 20, 2016 10:18:42 pm
      Meh.  No great loss.

      Henderson gone next please.


      Just making room for Kroos

      :)
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2219: Jul 20, 2016 10:20:21 pm
      Liverpool have accepted a £13 million bid from Stoke City for Joe Allen, sources tell Press Association Sport.

      The Wales midfielder, currently on leave after his exploits in helping his country to the semifinals of Euro 2016, is in the final year of his contract.

      Allen is looking for more playing time, having been restricted to mainly Europa League appearances last season.

      Stoke's bid is roughly in line with Liverpool's valuation of a player with less than 12 months remaining on his contract and would recoup most of the £15m they paid Swansea four years ago, so the decision is now likely to rest with the player himself.

      Allen is not due back to preseason training until July 26.
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2220: Jul 20, 2016 10:23:28 pm
      There would be a fair few players I'd have out the door ahead of Joe. Bit surprised we're letting him go, but he probably wants first team footy, and if off I guess Klopp doesn't fancy him and he knows it. I don't have any problem with Joe Allen, a good lad, works hard, and can play a bit. Maybe a bit small for Klopp though, we're heading for a team of big strong lads..
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2221: Jul 20, 2016 10:45:10 pm
      Meh.  No great loss.

      Henderson gone next please.

      I reckon someone would buy Henderson for 25m. Would be very happy to sell him
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2222: Jul 20, 2016 11:34:31 pm
      Kloopp on Allen rumours:

      Jürgen Klopp would not be drawn on the futures of Joe Allen and Jon Flanagan following Liverpool’s pre-season friendly win over Huddersfield Town.

      The ECHO understands that both players could leave the club in the next few days. Allen is the subject of a £13m bid from Stoke City, while Flanagan is weighing up a possible season-long loan to Premier League newboys Burnley.

      But when asked about the pair after the game at the John Smith’s Stadium, Klopp was coy.

      “There is nothing about this and all the transfer rumours,” he said. “We cannot comment because we couldn’t do anything else all day if we did, so we shouldn’t start with this."

      “I feel good (about Joe). I like the guy and I really think he is a wonderful football player: I knew this before the European Championships, I saw it during the Euros and I know it now.

      “I have said all I can say about this. It is all about respecting contracts, negotiating or not - whatever - and make a transfer or not.

      “But is it nothing to discuss in public but I’ve not seen him since the middle of May in Basel, sadly.”
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2223: Jul 21, 2016 12:22:13 am
      Is it confirm?  ???
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      Re: Joe Pirlo Allen Player Thread
      Reply #2224: Jul 21, 2016 12:28:28 am
      Guardian reporting we've accepted a bid of £13m from Stoke.

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