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      Re: Tactics geeks of the world unite...
      Reply #828: Oct 24, 2019 01:08:33 pm
      As much as we all want to see Ox and Keita in the midfield, is anyone else a bit worried about how exposed it leaves us defensively. I feel like the job Gini does goes under the radar and for us to have a thriving midfield we actually need him in it.

      I agree with you.  It's a much more 'attacking' midfield.  They both want to get forward, both like buzzing at the edge of the penalty box.  Surely they must increase the pressure on Fabinho when they both play.

      BUT they're a terrific option against 'lesser sides' or to come on in the unlikely event that we're in trouble.

      I think the best balance would be that we have Fabinho and then one of Ox/Keita and one of Wijnaldum/Henderson.  We've also got Milner and Lallana who are very different options.

      We can be concerned about them being too attacking but the fact is that Genk were clearly the right opposition for it and we scored four goals so it's the bosses decision when to utilise them all. 
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      Reply #829: Oct 24, 2019 01:25:53 pm
      Difficult to judge on last nights game as the midfield were bypassed with simple balls over the top. Noticeable that they didn’t actually run through our midfield.

      No doubt on Sunday Klopp will go for his tried and trusted.
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      Reply #830: Oct 25, 2019 08:24:22 am
      I like the idea of two midfields depending on how cautious we need to be defensively, just a bit worried that with how high our full backs push up the less defensive midfield may become exposed.

      All I know is that against Spurs I want Ox to start and have the chance to carry on the momentum he gained in midweek. Unfortunately it would be at the expense of Hendo, that's because Gini has simply been the better midfielder this season for me and Fabinho has been ahead of the rest, I think that's clear to see.
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      Reply #831: Oct 25, 2019 03:29:52 pm
      Interesting article by Tony Evans in The Independent that touches heavily on this favorite discussion topic here (role of midfielders re scoring goals):

      Do Liverpool really need a goalscoring midfielder? The problem with Naby Keita
      Liverpool fans want to see the best of Naby Keita but Jürgen Klopp's team is set up to attack through the full-backs, meaning his midfield is a place for tactical discipline and endeavour, not cutting edge in the final third

      The clamour from Liverpool fans to see Naby Keita get an extended run in the team is growing. As good as Jürgen Klopp’s European Champions have been, there is a strong perception that the weakest department in the side is the midfield. Yet it would be a surprise to see the Guinean start against Tottenham Hotspur at Anfield on Sunday.

      Klopp’s default trio are Jordan Henderson, Fabinho and Georginio Wijnaldum. They offer little goal threat. Last season, Henderson and Fabinho hit the net just once each in the league and Wijnaldum got three. The Dutchman has scored once in the first quarter of this campaign. From the sidelines it appears that Keita, with his surging runs forward, and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, whose shooting prowess makes him a danger anywhere around the box, should be able to force their way into the team.

      The 4-1 demolition of Genk in the Champions League appeared to endorse the point. Oxlade-Chamberlain’s two goals were spectacular and Keita’s creativity caught the eye.

      Klopp always denies he has a favourite midfield three. “I like them all,” he says with characteristic enthusiasm. But it is not a question of who he likes. It is about who he trusts. James Milner is, for the moment, more likely to be slotted into the side when required.

      The job of the midfield in this side is to provide balance. Sadio Mane, Roberto Firmino and Mo Salah have to be allowed to play to their potential. They need the freedom that comes with knowing there are hard-running colleagues behind them who will ensure there is cover when possession is conceded. They press defenders so ferociously at times that Liverpool could be susceptible on the break. The way Klopp sets up the side minimises the risk.

      More importantly, though, the central three allow Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson to range forward at will. The wing backs are crucial to the way this team operate. That much is clear. What is less obvious is how much responsibility this places on the midfield. To do their job effectively, the full backs need to leave space behind them. This is the area that could be dangerous to Liverpool. Protecting Alexander-Arnold and Robertson might not be the most glamorous role but it is one of the most vital.

      An obsession with Steven Gerrard hangs over Anfield. Henderson, whose career crossed over with the club legend, has always suffered by comparison. The 29-year-old was not bought to replace Gerrard, an impossible task, but to be part of a platoon of players to fill the void. There are plenty in the stands – and in the boardroom – who have never valued Henderson’s contribution. Klopp does.

      Keita has suffered from the same syndrome. The obsession with finding an up-and-down goalscoring midfielder was part of the driving force behind buying the 24-year-old. Signing Keita from Red Bull Leipzig a year before his arrival on Merseyside only heightened the sense of anticipation about his potential effect on the team. So far he has been a disappointment.

      Injuries have held him back but it is not that easy. Like many new arrivals in the Premier League from abroad he has struggled with the physicality of the game. In Germany he was quicker, more technically adept and stronger than the majority of his opponents. In England this has not been the case. It affected his confidence. In the words of one insider, “he saw his arse.”

      The problem for Keita – and to a lesser extent Oxlade-Chamberlain, who has proven he can play in this division – is simple: do Liverpool need a goalscoring midfielder? They have won the Champions League and produced an outstanding 18 months of form without one. Any extra goals could be offset at the other end if the balance is disrupted. The midfield of Keita, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Fabinho that played in Genk is a seductive-looking trio but the Belgian side are one of the poorest teams in the Champions League. They have yet to win a game in the competition. It is easier to shine against Genk than, say, Tottenham.

      What could change the situation is if the rest of the Premier League have finally worked out how to stop Liverpool. Manchester United did a good job of nullifying the full-backs in the 1-1 draw at Old Trafford last week. Mauricio Pochettino, a man eager to rebuild his fraying reputation, will undoubtedly turn up at Anfield on Sunday with a plan to stop Alexander-Arnold and Robertson. If opponents manage to kill Liverpool’s wide threat on a regular basis, Klopp will have to change the point of attack. Neutralising the full-backs is easier said than done, however.

      The German needs to rotate to keep the side fresh. December and January will be exhausting months for the squad, with the Club World Cup in Qatar adding two matches that a team chasing their first title since 1990 could live without. Everyone in the squad will get their chance over the next three months.

      Keita’s chances will come but they will likely be against teams that the manager considers weaker opponents. For now, the tried and trusted are a better option for Klopp.
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      Re: Tactics geeks of the world unite...
      Reply #832: Oct 26, 2019 05:28:02 pm
      Interesting article by Tony Evans in The Independent that touches heavily on this favorite discussion topic here (role of midfielders re scoring goals):

      Do Liverpool really need a goalscoring midfielder? The problem with Naby Keita
      Liverpool fans want to see the best of Naby Keita but Jürgen Klopp's team is set up to attack through the full-backs, meaning his midfield is a place for tactical discipline and endeavour, not cutting edge in the final third

      The clamour from Liverpool fans to see Naby Keita get an extended run in the team is growing. As good as Jürgen Klopp’s European Champions have been, there is a strong perception that the weakest department in the side is the midfield. Yet it would be a surprise to see the Guinean start against Tottenham Hotspur at Anfield on Sunday.

      Klopp’s default trio are Jordan Henderson, Fabinho and Georginio Wijnaldum. They offer little goal threat. Last season, Henderson and Fabinho hit the net just once each in the league and Wijnaldum got three. The Dutchman has scored once in the first quarter of this campaign. From the sidelines it appears that Keita, with his surging runs forward, and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, whose shooting prowess makes him a danger anywhere around the box, should be able to force their way into the team.

      The 4-1 demolition of Genk in the Champions League appeared to endorse the point. Oxlade-Chamberlain’s two goals were spectacular and Keita’s creativity caught the eye.

      Klopp always denies he has a favourite midfield three. “I like them all,” he says with characteristic enthusiasm. But it is not a question of who he likes. It is about who he trusts. James Milner is, for the moment, more likely to be slotted into the side when required.

      The job of the midfield in this side is to provide balance. Sadio Mane, Roberto Firmino and Mo Salah have to be allowed to play to their potential. They need the freedom that comes with knowing there are hard-running colleagues behind them who will ensure there is cover when possession is conceded. They press defenders so ferociously at times that Liverpool could be susceptible on the break. The way Klopp sets up the side minimises the risk.

      More importantly, though, the central three allow Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson to range forward at will. The wing backs are crucial to the way this team operate. That much is clear. What is less obvious is how much responsibility this places on the midfield. To do their job effectively, the full backs need to leave space behind them. This is the area that could be dangerous to Liverpool. Protecting Alexander-Arnold and Robertson might not be the most glamorous role but it is one of the most vital.

      An obsession with Steven Gerrard hangs over Anfield. Henderson, whose career crossed over with the club legend, has always suffered by comparison. The 29-year-old was not bought to replace Gerrard, an impossible task, but to be part of a platoon of players to fill the void. There are plenty in the stands – and in the boardroom – who have never valued Henderson’s contribution. Klopp does.

      Keita has suffered from the same syndrome. The obsession with finding an up-and-down goalscoring midfielder was part of the driving force behind buying the 24-year-old. Signing Keita from Red Bull Leipzig a year before his arrival on Merseyside only heightened the sense of anticipation about his potential effect on the team. So far he has been a disappointment.

      Injuries have held him back but it is not that easy. Like many new arrivals in the Premier League from abroad he has struggled with the physicality of the game. In Germany he was quicker, more technically adept and stronger than the majority of his opponents. In England this has not been the case. It affected his confidence. In the words of one insider, “he saw his arse.”

      The problem for Keita – and to a lesser extent Oxlade-Chamberlain, who has proven he can play in this division – is simple: do Liverpool need a goalscoring midfielder? They have won the Champions League and produced an outstanding 18 months of form without one. Any extra goals could be offset at the other end if the balance is disrupted. The midfield of Keita, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Fabinho that played in Genk is a seductive-looking trio but the Belgian side are one of the poorest teams in the Champions League. They have yet to win a game in the competition. It is easier to shine against Genk than, say, Tottenham.

      What could change the situation is if the rest of the Premier League have finally worked out how to stop Liverpool. Manchester United did a good job of nullifying the full-backs in the 1-1 draw at Old Trafford last week. Mauricio Pochettino, a man eager to rebuild his fraying reputation, will undoubtedly turn up at Anfield on Sunday with a plan to stop Alexander-Arnold and Robertson. If opponents manage to kill Liverpool’s wide threat on a regular basis, Klopp will have to change the point of attack. Neutralising the full-backs is easier said than done, however.

      The German needs to rotate to keep the side fresh. December and January will be exhausting months for the squad, with the Club World Cup in Qatar adding two matches that a team chasing their first title since 1990 could live without. Everyone in the squad will get their chance over the next three months.

      Keita’s chances will come but they will likely be against teams that the manager considers weaker opponents. For now, the tried and trusted are a better option for Klopp.


      I've been saying this since Klopp came here, but people don't want to understand, because it's much easier to keep spouting the same old bollocks about "we need more goals from midfield" despite the number of goals we actually score.

      Whether it's laziness, indifference or ignorance makes no difference; the "we need more golas from midfield" argument is facile.
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      Reply #833: Oct 26, 2019 05:28:48 pm
      Interesting article by Tony Evans in The Independent that touches heavily on this favorite discussion topic here (role of midfielders re scoring goals):

      Do Liverpool really need a goalscoring midfielder? The problem with Naby Keita
      Liverpool fans want to see the best of Naby Keita but Jürgen Klopp's team is set up to attack through the full-backs, meaning his midfield is a place for tactical discipline and endeavour, not cutting edge in the final third

      The clamour from Liverpool fans to see Naby Keita get an extended run in the team is growing. As good as Jürgen Klopp’s European Champions have been, there is a strong perception that the weakest department in the side is the midfield. Yet it would be a surprise to see the Guinean start against Tottenham Hotspur at Anfield on Sunday.

      Klopp’s default trio are Jordan Henderson, Fabinho and Georginio Wijnaldum. They offer little goal threat. Last season, Henderson and Fabinho hit the net just once each in the league and Wijnaldum got three. The Dutchman has scored once in the first quarter of this campaign. From the sidelines it appears that Keita, with his surging runs forward, and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, whose shooting prowess makes him a danger anywhere around the box, should be able to force their way into the team.

      The 4-1 demolition of Genk in the Champions League appeared to endorse the point. Oxlade-Chamberlain’s two goals were spectacular and Keita’s creativity caught the eye.

      Klopp always denies he has a favourite midfield three. “I like them all,” he says with characteristic enthusiasm. But it is not a question of who he likes. It is about who he trusts. James Milner is, for the moment, more likely to be slotted into the side when required.

      The job of the midfield in this side is to provide balance. Sadio Mane, Roberto Firmino and Mo Salah have to be allowed to play to their potential. They need the freedom that comes with knowing there are hard-running colleagues behind them who will ensure there is cover when possession is conceded. They press defenders so ferociously at times that Liverpool could be susceptible on the break. The way Klopp sets up the side minimises the risk.

      More importantly, though, the central three allow Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson to range forward at will. The wing backs are crucial to the way this team operate. That much is clear. What is less obvious is how much responsibility this places on the midfield. To do their job effectively, the full backs need to leave space behind them. This is the area that could be dangerous to Liverpool. Protecting Alexander-Arnold and Robertson might not be the most glamorous role but it is one of the most vital.

      An obsession with Steven Gerrard hangs over Anfield. Henderson, whose career crossed over with the club legend, has always suffered by comparison. The 29-year-old was not bought to replace Gerrard, an impossible task, but to be part of a platoon of players to fill the void. There are plenty in the stands – and in the boardroom – who have never valued Henderson’s contribution. Klopp does.

      Keita has suffered from the same syndrome. The obsession with finding an up-and-down goalscoring midfielder was part of the driving force behind buying the 24-year-old. Signing Keita from Red Bull Leipzig a year before his arrival on Merseyside only heightened the sense of anticipation about his potential effect on the team. So far he has been a disappointment.

      Injuries have held him back but it is not that easy. Like many new arrivals in the Premier League from abroad he has struggled with the physicality of the game. In Germany he was quicker, more technically adept and stronger than the majority of his opponents. In England this has not been the case. It affected his confidence. In the words of one insider, “he saw his arse.”

      The problem for Keita – and to a lesser extent Oxlade-Chamberlain, who has proven he can play in this division – is simple: do Liverpool need a goalscoring midfielder? They have won the Champions League and produced an outstanding 18 months of form without one. Any extra goals could be offset at the other end if the balance is disrupted. The midfield of Keita, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Fabinho that played in Genk is a seductive-looking trio but the Belgian side are one of the poorest teams in the Champions League. They have yet to win a game in the competition. It is easier to shine against Genk than, say, Tottenham.

      What could change the situation is if the rest of the Premier League have finally worked out how to stop Liverpool. Manchester United did a good job of nullifying the full-backs in the 1-1 draw at Old Trafford last week. Mauricio Pochettino, a man eager to rebuild his fraying reputation, will undoubtedly turn up at Anfield on Sunday with a plan to stop Alexander-Arnold and Robertson. If opponents manage to kill Liverpool’s wide threat on a regular basis, Klopp will have to change the point of attack. Neutralising the full-backs is easier said than done, however.

      The German needs to rotate to keep the side fresh. December and January will be exhausting months for the squad, with the Club World Cup in Qatar adding two matches that a team chasing their first title since 1990 could live without. Everyone in the squad will get their chance over the next three months.

      Keita’s chances will come but they will likely be against teams that the manager considers weaker opponents. For now, the tried and trusted are a better option for Klopp.


      Oh God....

      not Tony Evans.
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      Reply #834: Oct 26, 2019 05:31:37 pm

      I thought the same, but for once, he's on the money.
      It's not original of course, some of it is just repeating what Klopp has said about our midfield.
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      Reply #835: Apr 29, 2022 11:45:03 am
      https://youtu.be/zlwVZTtR0zQ

      One of the greatest games broken down by Pep
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      Reply #836: Jun 15, 2022 04:02:09 pm
      Is our game plan now more about creating chances for Nunez. He has more pace than Mane and we will need to shift the ball quicker. He will make darting runs, will react, will back himself to get to the quick cross first, decent in the air. But we should be playing the 50/50 ball in, not wait till to create a clear opening, back him to beat the defender.

      Salah will benefit as will Diaz. Nunez could well energise the front line. With Jota, Bobby and Carvello pushing for a place it could be a season full of goals but we have to make sure we don't dawdle in midfield. Would like to see Bobby play off the front 3 with Hendo and Fabio holding. Not every game but Bobby could be a puzzle for teams and makes us into 4-2-4 in some home games. And could be the feed that Nunez needs.

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      Reply #837: Jun 15, 2022 10:41:58 pm
      Cool vid, thanks, always like listening to Pep, paused it part way through because I Want to watch highlights of that game, tempted to watch the full game again ;D, what a game.
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      Reply #838: Jun 15, 2022 10:46:07 pm
      Is our game plan now more about creating chances for Nunez. He has more pace than Mane and we will need to shift the ball quicker. He will make darting runs, will react, will back himself to get to the quick cross first, decent in the air. But we should be playing the 50/50 ball in, not wait till to create a clear opening, back him to beat the defender.

      Salah will benefit as will Diaz. Nunez could well energise the front line. With Jota, Bobby and Carvello pushing for a place it could be a season full of goals but we have to make sure we don't dawdle in midfield. Would like to see Bobby play off the front 3 with Hendo and Fabio holding. Not every game but Bobby could be a puzzle for teams and makes us into 4-2-4 in some home games. And could be the feed that Nunez needs.
      Not sure how Jota fell off so much, maybe he didn't feel valued which led to confidence issues, but him and Nunez together could be key, because they are both great at finding space and have poachers instinct from what I've seen, have only saw highlights of Nunez, to me he seems the real deal.
      So yeah, I'd usually think one or the other but both of them on the pitch could be very extraordinary.
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      Reply #839: Jun 17, 2022 11:03:06 am
      Not sure how Jota fell off so much, maybe he didn't feel valued which led to confidence issues, but him and Nunez together could be key, because they are both great at finding space and have poachers instinct from what I've seen, have only saw highlights of Nunez, to me he seems the real deal.
      So yeah, I'd usually think one or the other but both of them on the pitch could be very extraordinary.

      Jota might have felt a bit put out as Diaz, just in the door, got a place in front of him. But he could play with Nunez in a 2 man thrust. But my main point/argument is that we need to feed these players quicker.

       When we break there is urgency and pace in the attack but building from Alisson can sometimes be slow. Need to be more organised and positive shifting it. Played too many dead balls, then it goes square. I know they work on situation and positions on the build up but now we have Nunez he needs urgency, pacy attacks.
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      Reply #840: Jun 17, 2022 11:09:27 am
      Its all about options and variation.
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      Reply #841: Jun 19, 2022 07:27:04 am
      Good bump, I always loved this thread.

      I think it’s really interesting that both ourselves and city have gone out and bought very similar focal point strikers, both are good in the air and are tall lads. I think we will see our play evolve somewhat over the course of the season. I’m nervous about losing Mane and quite possibly Salah before a ball has been kicked but am excited to see Diaz with a pre season under his belt and Núñez looks like a great prospect.

      Tactically the one thing I really noticed last season was a change to the way Trent and Salah interacted. Salah (it seemed) played a lot wider the 2nd half of the season with Trent taking up positions infield. It worked well at times and it utilised his excellent passing range but I also felt Salah was peripheral, receiving the ball too far from the goal.

      I was encouraged to read Chris Suttons comments on Núñez the other day, he was praising his aerial ability having seen him live several times for BT. I don’t love Suttons punditry but he was excellent in the air in his day and knows what he’s talking about. Teams love to sit deep against us and often thru are happy for Trent and Robbo to whip the ball in. Having a player like Núñez might just change all that. I think Trent will play wider this season and I reckon he gets even more assists.
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      Reply #842: Aug 22, 2022 10:22:55 pm
      For me at the moment this squad screams 4 2 3 1.

      We don't quite have the fit for the 4 3 3 we've been playing over the last few years and the amount of inflexibility could be our undoing this season.

      Elliott the more I see him is a hybrid of an 8 and a wide forward, or even better a number 10.

      Diaz is more of a wide player than Mane was.

      Firmino is done at this level for me.

      Fabinho and Henderson play as a 2 until Thiago is back and Salah up front until we get Jota and Nunez back.

      We have become, could argue have been for a while, quite predictable and if our big players don't perform were easy to play against at times. Not all the time but especially if we don't get ahead early.

      When that happens you need to be tactical astute and we'll see what Jürgen is made of over the  next few games.

      He'll either rally the boys and fire them up to dominate teams again or he will have to have a bit of a rethink.
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      Reply #843: Aug 23, 2022 08:07:38 pm
      Can’t disagree on the rethink regards the formation Sy. I agree that playing Salah (or Diaz) up top until Nunez returns could be the best shout. Elliot could sub for Salah in the wide right spot and you could take a look at Carvallo or Bobby in the 8 shirt for the next couple of games.
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      Reply #844: Sep 03, 2022 03:03:19 pm
      Just start Arthur can’t be worse than what we have masquerading  as a midfield at the moment.

      Plus it might keep granddad Milner off the pitch.
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      Reply #845: Sep 03, 2022 03:05:30 pm
      Just start Arthur can’t be worse than what we have masquerading  as a midfield at the moment.

      Plus it might keep granddad Milner off the pitch.

      Was literally just about to post similar.

      Arthur and Fabinho as a two then 3 and 1 ahead.
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      Reply #846: Sep 04, 2022 11:16:47 am
      I was delighted to see Carvalho start, like many of you, but that selection in they formation we played simply didn't work.

      Fabinho must have wanted to pull a sicky when he seen that line up.

      Everyone knows that I think we should be changing to a 4 2 3 1 to they the best out of this squad but if we done and want to stay with a 4 3 3 then only one of Elliott or Carvalho should start on a 3 again and for me it's Elliott who had that shirt.

      If we're going to play like we have done over the last few seasons then we need to start Arthur with Fabinho and Elliott. Also if we are doing that I'd start Jota instead of Nunez and okay Salah closer to the middle with Jota and Diaz.

      Nunez is a bit of a conundrum to be honest as he really doesn't fit out style from the last period so for me if we okay him we need to play different but at the moment seems to be a bit of a hybrid of the old style and a new that isn't really working.
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      Reply #847: Sep 06, 2022 10:21:44 am
      Another thing I'd like to see is Trent playing a bit more orthodox and vary how often he comes inside.

      Salah is playing far too wide at the moment during games and I think part of that is to allow Trent to play further inside that channel.

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      Reply #848: Sep 06, 2022 10:34:54 am
      Just start Arthur can’t be worse than what we have masquerading  as a midfield at the moment.

      Plus it might keep granddad Milner off the pitch.

      shame about Milner but he has done incredibly well as a supporting act for us but FFS the curtain has to come down now before it gets embarrassing for him and us. 
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      Reply #849: Sep 06, 2022 02:01:59 pm
      Just start Arthur can’t be worse than what we have masquerading  as a midfield at the moment.

      Plus it might keep granddad Milner off the pitch.

      Milner will contribute positively this season i'm sure but it needs to be as a player coming off the bench in the last 15-20 minutes or at the start in the cups when we have a good few youngsters in the team. Klopp is doing him a dis-service bringing him on at Right Back or starting him in big games in midfield.

      Use Milner the right way and he can still be effective.
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      Reply #850: Sep 06, 2022 02:04:43 pm
      Another thing I'd like to see is Trent playing a bit more orthodox and vary how often he comes inside.

      Salah is playing far too wide at the moment during games and I think part of that is to allow Trent to play further inside that channel.



      Fully agree, i'd be asking the opposite, get Salah playing further inside, get Trent on the overlap and then threaten them with Nunez presence in the box because the lad can really head a ball.

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