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      12th September 2012 - Independent Panel report published

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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #805: Dec 19, 2012 02:27:58 pm
      Great news and long overdue.
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      Reply #806: Dec 19, 2012 04:48:51 pm
      Its not quite Justice just yet that will happen when we see people behinds bars. Now we have the opportunity for the real truth to come out as it should have done 23 years ago.
      Now these poor families will have to relive everything once again and I think they have all suffered enough.
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #807: Dec 19, 2012 04:50:31 pm

      That's a great photo.
      So many mixed emotions on view.
      Happiness, anger, relief and determination.
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #808: Dec 19, 2012 05:01:39 pm

      That sums it up for me.

      May the wheels of justice now continue to turn.
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #809: Dec 19, 2012 05:12:02 pm
      What a wonderful day for the families. Long long overdue.

      On now with the answers and justice. Delighted for the families

      R.I.P 96 red brothers and sisters

      YNWA
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      Reply #810: Dec 19, 2012 06:08:18 pm

      Great photo HR

      Their smiles are heartwarming
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      Reply #811: Dec 19, 2012 06:11:47 pm
      At last !
       I am so so pleased for all the families  that they have finally achieved this , it is a lesson to all of us to never give up when right is on your side. Their  dignity through all this has been an inspiration.
      The 96 would be so , so proud of their families .
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #812: Dec 19, 2012 06:36:24 pm
      I should think so too.


      Hillsborough single VAT 'waived', Prime Minister indicates

      Sales of a Hillsborough charity single will not be subject to VAT, the Prime Minister has indicated.

      Calls were made to waive the tax after a cover of The Hollies' He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother, was released.

      Relatives of the 96 football fans who died in the 1989 disaster are continuing legal action after a report found 41 could have been saved.

      David Cameron told the Commons he could "confidently predict" the VAT decision would "go down well on Merseyside".

      His announcement, during Prime Ministers' Questions, came as the High Court quashed the inquest verdicts of accidental death and Home Secretary Theresa May ordered a new police inquiry into the disaster.

      The celebrity-backed single is currently favourite to become the Christmas number one.

      Sir Paul McCartney, Robbie Williams, former Spice Girl Mel C and Gerry Marsden are among the line-up.


      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-20781825
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #813: Dec 19, 2012 06:41:51 pm
      I should think so too.


      Hillsborough single VAT 'waived', Prime Minister indicates

      Sales of a Hillsborough charity single will not be subject to VAT, the Prime Minister has indicated.

      Calls were made to waive the tax after a cover of The Hollies' He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother, was released.

      Relatives of the 96 football fans who died in the 1989 disaster are continuing legal action after a report found 41 could have been saved.

      David Cameron told the Commons he could "confidently predict" the VAT decision would "go down well on Merseyside".

      His announcement, during Prime Ministers' Questions, came as the High Court quashed the inquest verdicts of accidental death and Home Secretary Theresa May ordered a new police inquiry into the disaster.

      The celebrity-backed single is currently favourite to become the Christmas number one.

      Sir Paul McCartney, Robbie Williams, former Spice Girl Mel C and Gerry Marsden are among the line-up.


      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-20781825

      Ditto Debs.

      Still, it's more good news and more cash towards legal costs.
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #814: Dec 19, 2012 06:51:48 pm
      Sure is mate.
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      Reply #815: Dec 19, 2012 08:16:09 pm
      That is fantastic news, now let's get justice done for the 96 and their families.
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      Reply #816: Dec 20, 2012 09:51:29 am


      Jim Boardman ‏@JimBoardman
      "@TheHoodedClaw66: No need for words @annewilliams96 #Hillsborough #liverpoolfc #Liverpool #exposethelies #YNWA pic.twitter.com/aIuktTsE"
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #817: Dec 20, 2012 02:50:05 pm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-20797318

      Government to pay Hillsborough families' inquests costs

      The government will pay the legal costs incurred by the families of Hillsborough disaster victims at new inquests into their deaths.

      New inquests were ordered after the original accidental death verdicts were quashed at the High Court on Wednesday.

      Commons leader Andrew Lansley said the government would "provide funding for bereaved families at fresh inquests".

      Margaret Aspinall of the Hillsborough Family Support Group said she was "delighted" with the decision.

      Ninety-six Liverpool supporters died on 15 April 1989 when a crush within two pens at the Leppings Lane terrace of Sheffield Wednesday's stadium occurred at the beginning of a FA Cup semi-final.

      The original inquest verdicts angered many bereaved families who were told at the 1990 hearing that the victims were beyond saving by 15:15.

      The Attorney General applied to the High Court for the verdicts to be quashed as a result of the Hillsborough Panel's report, published on 12 September, which said 41 of those who died might have been saved.

      Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge ruled that it was "necessary, desirable and in the interests of justice" that a fresh inquest should be held.

      Mr Lansley made the pledge after shadow Commons leader Angela Eagle said the families would "have to meet expensive legal costs to ensure they are adequately represented at the new inquests".

      Several charity endeavours, including a single by The Justice Collective - which features Sir Paul McCartney, Robbie Williams, former Spice Girl Mel C and Gerry Marsden amongst others - have been launched to help the families' fund legal action.



      Great News !

      (They were Govt "employees" who covered it up )
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      Reply #818: Dec 20, 2012 03:23:37 pm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-20797318

      Government to pay Hillsborough families' inquests costs

      Several charity endeavours, including a single by The Justice Collective - which features Sir Paul McCartney, Robbie Williams, former Spice Girl Mel C and Gerry Marsden amongst others - have been launched to help the families' fund legal action.



      Great News !

      (They were Govt "employees" who covered it up )
      Let's not forget Skip the same government agents who instigated the cover up, would also be required to attend any subsequent hearings if a claim for court costs were pursued and the cover up investigated further.
      Who knows how deep in the corridors of power the lies and deceit originated?
      Still covering their arses after 23 years.
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      Reply #819: Dec 24, 2012 01:40:23 pm
      I dont care what Gov it is that sorts this out they have had 23 nearly 24 years to do it and at last we have got back to the point where the Victims in this tradegy are not held responible for their own deaths.
      Now its time to start putting the people who caused the disaster on trial I hope they choke on their Turkey as it will hopefully be their last for a long while.
      i will raise a glass this Christmas to the Families who have been a real inspiration and represented this city with great dignity and courage they are a real credit to all of us.
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      Reply #820: Dec 31, 2012 09:21:39 pm
      I am sure 23 nearly 24 years ago the powers that be expected a tirade of abuse from the families that would have given them the ammunition they wanted to describe Liverpool supporters as animals.
      But never in my lifetime have a group of people who had suffered so much tradegy shown so much dignity.
      They have over the last 23 years been a shining example of constraint and dignity.
      I am not sure what will happen now if the people who are responsible are found guilty its almost too late.
      But we should always remember how dignified these people we call "the Families" have been and if I could wish for anything in 2013 it would be for them to find some sort of peace.
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      Reply #821: Jan 01, 2013 01:46:26 am
      I am sure 23 nearly 24 years ago the powers that be expected a tirade of abuse from the families that would have given them the ammunition they wanted to describe Liverpool supporters as animals.
      But never in my lifetime have a group of people who had suffered so much tradegy shown so much dignity.
      They have over the last 23 years been a shining example of constraint and dignity.
      I am not sure what will happen now if the people who are responsible are found guilty its almost too late.
      But we should always remember how dignified these people we call "the Families" have been and if I could wish for anything in 2013 it would be for them to find some sort of peace.

      Well said walton.  Nothing to add to that mate.
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      Reply #822: Jan 01, 2013 08:24:43 pm
      Hillsborough inquiry is a huge challenge, says IPCC chair
      Task of collating documentation could take months, admits Dame Anne Owers, amid calls for commission to be scrapped

      Sandra Laville, crime correspondent
      The Guardian, Tuesday 1 January 2013 20.05 GMT

      The criminal inquiry into the cover-up over the Hillsborough stadium disaster is the greatest challenge ever faced by the Independent Police Complaints Commission, its chairwoman has said.

      Dame Anne Owers made it clear that the IPCC's task was bigger and more testing than any of its other controversial inquiries, including those into the fatal shootings by police of Jean Charles de Menezes after the 2005 London bombings and of Mark Duggan before the 2011 riots.

      She revealed the scale of the investigation in an interview with the Guardian in which she also accused police involved in Duggan's shooting of delaying the IPCC inquiry by refusing to be interviewed in person. Instead, the officers had to be questioned through multiple exchanges of letters over more than six months. "It was like putting a message in a bottle and sending it down the Thames," she said.

      The Hillsborough investigation comes at a time when the IPCC faces criticism from groups including families of victims of police brutality, politicians and lawyers, and after the shadow home secretary, Yvette Cooper, called for it to be replaced by a new body with tougher powers.

      Owers said the task ahead, while huge, would also provide the IPCC with a chance to display its strengths in the face of such criticism. It has been given new powers to compel police and others to testify as witnesses.

      "Clearly it is a test and a challenge," she said. "But it is also an opportunity for us to show what we can do if we are properly resourced to do a big job. The scale of it is very big but I think the way we are working with a team that includes investigators, lawyers and family liaison teams is critical and will be a model for the future, provided that we get the resources we need."

      Owers said she was in discussions with the Home Office over extra funding to cover the investigation. She is also demanding more resources for the watchdog's present and future work as it struggles to cope with a 20% – £5m – cut in its budget over four years, a reduction she said was putting considerable pressure on frontline staff.

      She revealed the IPCC is embarking on a huge recruitment drive to employ 100 investigators. Forty will be recruited from next month in the first tranche – both former police officers and others from non-police backgrounds – as the Hillsborough investigation gets under way.

      A major incident room has been set up in the IPCC office in Sale, Greater Manchester, as a temporary base for the inquiry team while the organisation secures an office block in Warrington which will be the team's permanent home. The building will be equipped with special security systems to secure the evidence before the IPCC takes possession of all the documents and begins interviewing. In the months ahead the team will:

      • Try to retrieve more than 450,000 documents from the authorities that own them.

      • Input them into the Holmes major incident system.

      • Prepare to interview up to 2,400 police officers who were on duty on the day.

      Owers admitted retrieving and inputting the documentation could take months. But she said the investigation would not be put on hold while this was done. Investigators would pursue possible lines of inquiry from the documents and could potentially start interviewing police officers.

      The IPCC inquiry will work alongside a criminal inquiry into the disaster by the former chief constable of Durham, Jon Stoddart. The Hillsborough Independent Panel's report in September exposed the scale of the cover-up by South Yorkshire police and other authorities in the aftermath of the disaster in 1989, which left 96 people dead. The panel found that officers altered 116 of their 164 statements to remove or amend comments that were unfavourable to South Yorkshire police as they tried to blame the victims – the Liverpool fans – for the disaster.

      Stoddart's inquiry will focus specifically on any criminal culpability for the deaths at the FA cup semi-final in Sheffield, while the IPCC is focusing on the cover-up and what has been described in parliament as a black propaganda campaign by the police.

      Owers – who was appointed by the home secretary, Theresa May, as part-time chair last April – has increased her commitment to four days a week to take charge of the Hillsborough inquiry.

      She admitted that the challenge to the IPCC came at a time when questions about its competence had been raised by a number of different people. The family of Sean Rigg, a 40-year-old who died at Brixton police station in south London in 2008, have attacked the IPCC for its "inadequate and obstructive" investigation into his death after an inquest jury found officers had used unsuitable force on him during an unnecessarily long restraint. Owers has since asked for an independent review of the IPCC's work on the case.

      "Yes there are cases where people haven't been satisfied with our investigations," Owers said. "We have got to be concerned about the cases that families feel have gone wrong, we have got to respond to that.

      "We are doing a review of the way that we deal with cases of death in custody. We are going out and talking to families about their experiences and about what they think could have been done differently. We are talking to lawyers who have made criticisms and to external groups like Inquest. We are looking at to what extent it is about the powers and resources we have got and to what extent it is about the fact that we need to look at things differently in some cases."

      Owers defended the time it has taken the IPCC to conclude its inquiry into the shooting of Duggan, which sparked the riots in summer 2011. She vowed that the full report would be published and in part blamed police obstructiveness for the delay. "The investigation is nearly finished," she said.

      "It is a very complex case. One of the problems for us was that the officers would not come in to be interviewed. We asked them to do so in December of last year and it was July before we got the final response from them to our questions. We had to write the questions to them and they wrote back their answers. That prompted more questions so we had to write to them again and they wrote back through solicitors.

      "It was like putting a message in a bottle and sending it down the Thames."


      http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/02/hillsborough-disaster-inquiry-challenge-police
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #823: Apr 14, 2013 09:26:43 pm
      Missed this from Noel Gallagher at the time:

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      Reply #824: Apr 14, 2013 09:50:15 pm
      Missed this from Noel Gallagher at the time:



      That's class by Noel.
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      Reply #825: Apr 14, 2013 10:04:32 pm
      I remember reading that from the time from Noel.
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      Reply #826: Apr 25, 2013 06:04:46 am
      A hearing is to take place to decide the location of a fresh inquest into the 96 Hillsborough victims later today.
       A new inquest was ordered in December when a panel of three High Court judges quashed the original accidental deaths verdicts.
      The new inquest was held in Sheffield but families want the new hearing held elsewhere.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-22284439
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      Reply #827: Apr 25, 2013 01:53:58 pm
      It's my understanding the debate is to have the inquest in London or the NW?

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