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      General Transfer rumours/gossip thread

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      Ribapuru
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #37450: Nov 19, 2018 07:35:01 pm
      Whether it's 150k or 110k the same principles apply regarding accounting methods.

      As does the amortisation of Reina's "book worth".

      Seriously, you couldn't be more wrong, but I suspect you know that and are just wumming again.

      I'm done with this, so you can go and wum someone else.
      I'm not debating we had to lose a keeper to cut wage bill, I'm debating that you are putting across it is the reason we signed Mignolet. The reason we signed Mignolet was because we thought Reina was leaving, once we had two almost equal (or as we thought) goalkeepers it was obvious we would loan the one on the higher wage, but if Reina were performing better we wouldn't have loaned him out. Personally I think Reina was on the decline and Barcelona probably ask Valdes to stay on, Reina would have been a downgrade at that time. Mignolet was awful but Reina was not the answer either.
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      Reply #37451: Nov 19, 2018 07:39:50 pm
      I'm not debating we had to lose a keeper to cut wage bill, I'm debating that you are putting across it is the reason we signed Mignolet. The reason we signed Mignolet was because we thought Reina was leaving, once we had two almost equal (or as we thought) goalkeepers it was obvious we would loan the one on the higher wage, but if Reina were performing better we wouldn't have loaned him out. Personally I think Reina was on the decline and Barcelona probably ask Valdes to stay on, Reina would have been a downgrade at that time. Mignolet was awful but Reina was not the answer either.

      No, you're not debating anything at all.
      You're bullshitting, as usual.
      When all this was going on, you hadn't even heard of Liverpool FC, so cut out the nonsense and the cut and paste jobs.
      You'll get a lot farther than you do with the bullshit approach.
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      Reply #37452: Nov 19, 2018 07:42:59 pm
      I railed against it at the time, and still think highly incentivised contracts are a mistake for any but young players trying to force their way into the team or squad.

      I could see the need to reduce wages, and although I didn't like it, I understood it.
      The argument then goes back to FSG not putting their own money in.
      To be honest, I was unhappy with Reina at that time and I was happy we were trying something new in goal, I couldn't care less about wages they were getting. It was a disaster and Mignolet was worse than Reina, but can you say at that time you would have rather loaned out Migniolet and kept Reina? At the time he came to us after a brilliant season where Reina just had the worst season out of a bad 2 or 3.
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      Reply #37453: Nov 19, 2018 07:46:06 pm
      No, you're not debating anything at all.
      You're bullshitting, as usual.
      When all this was going on, you hadn't even heard of Liverpool FC, so cut out the nonsense and the cut and paste jobs.
      You'll get a lot farther than you do with the bullshit approach.
      Swab, you take a persons opinion, condescend it and swear at the poster.
      You're not a wise guy yourself. Instead of debating you just insult.
      Even if you don't agree you need to chill out before get a peptic ulcer or something.

      These stats don't bullsh*t.



      https://eplindex.com/16070/decline-pepe-reina-stats-analysis.html
      « Last Edit: Nov 19, 2018 07:50:19 pm by Ribapuru »
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #37454: Nov 19, 2018 07:54:37 pm
      Where do you rate VVD? 18th? 24th? etc...

      Haven't given it much thought, out side the top 10, maybe even the top 15


      Again there is no point me saying because who ever i name people here will rubbish them

      There is possibly reasons you don't like him, whilst they aren't obvious to me it would still be interesting to know why you don't rate him.

      Where have I ever said that I do not like VVD...?

      And where have I said that I do not rate him...?

      What I did say was that he was not in the top ten CB in the world and he is not as yet World Class

      He will improve and become world class but he is not quite there yet
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #37455: Nov 19, 2018 07:55:29 pm
      Google : 'Best centre backs in the world' and press images.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #37456: Nov 19, 2018 07:56:24 pm
      I've probably missed a couple out, but I'd say below defenders other than Ramos are around equal, but Van Dijk just edges it because he is younger which means his stamina will be a bit higher.

      Kompany - 32
      Godin - 32
      Chiellini - 34
      Pique - 31
      Ramos - 32
      Alderweireld - 29
      Van Dijk - 27

      But he does not read the game as well as the others you have named yet
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #37457: Nov 19, 2018 08:03:21 pm
      Dembele is quality and I'd have him here.

      But Pulisic is still my no.1 preference.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #37458: Nov 19, 2018 08:05:02 pm
      Mags Look it up for yourself... You have trouble believing me even though I pointed out that two of the four sites name agreed with you and two site did not.

      But what it proves is that different people/experts/pundits view things in different ways
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #37459: Nov 19, 2018 08:07:51 pm
      Mags Look it up for yourself... You have trouble believing me even though I pointed out that two of the four sites name agreed with you and two site did not.

      But what it proves is that different people/experts/pundits view things in different ways

      Everything I looked up that wasn't called 'best CBs at the world cup' have him listed in the top 5 never mind the top 3.

      I would suggest you check the dates on the articles you've read, I would bet they are 2017 or older
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #37460: Nov 19, 2018 08:37:21 pm
      Swab, you take a persons opinion, condescend it and swear at the poster.
      You're not a wise guy yourself. Instead of debating you just insult.
      Even if you don't agree you need to chill out before get a peptic ulcer or something.

      These stats don't bullsh*t.



      https://eplindex.com/16070/decline-pepe-reina-stats-analysis.html

      You don't really have an opinion of any worth though.
      What is it with you, where you think that just because you have an opinion, it's automatically worth something.
      It's not.
      It's been as plain as day since you first came onto this forum that you don't really have a clue.
      It's fine, if you're new to football, all you have to do is ask, but instead, you go in for this ridiculous posturing and try to bullshit your way through instead of just admitting that you don't know something or that you are new to football.

      Now you're trying to throw out spurious stats on a save percentage that mean absolutely nothing without context, just so that you can continue this nonsense about Reina.

      Here's all you need to know about Reina; he was one of the finest 'keepers we've had, whose form dipped a little at time, like all players form dips sometimes.
      He was exceptional, and would have been the Spain number 1 for years if Casillas hadn't been around.


      Now you can keep bullshitting all you want, but at the end of the day, there are a lot of things about football that you can't find on wiki.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #37461: Nov 19, 2018 08:44:15 pm
      Everything I looked up that wasn't called 'best CBs at the world cup' have him listed in the top 5 never mind the top 3.

      I would suggest you check the dates on the articles you've read, I would bet they are 2017 or older

      I wouldn't bother Mags.
      He's just going to spend page after page justifying why he isn't posting anything to back up what he posted, then try and move the goalposts.

      I'm, pretty sure at this point that him and ribs are just playing a game to see who can wind people up with the most nonsense.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #37462: Nov 19, 2018 08:55:07 pm
      Mags Look it up for yourself... You have trouble believing me even though I pointed out that two of the four sites name agreed with you and two site did not.

      But what it proves is that different people/experts/pundits view things in different ways

      How the f**king f**k is this f**king argument still going? I thought it was an amusing weird "one guy just has to be different for the sake of a stupid argument" kinda situation when I saw this yesterday. Now it's just f**king stupidity.

      Who gives a f**king f**k what anyone else says. The eye test as a Liverpool centre half is all we need, isn't it? Look at our team pre/post VvD and you have all you need. He's world class, playing for a world class team.

      This is stupid.
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      Reply #37463: Nov 19, 2018 09:26:57 pm
      My Man Utd supporting mate said to me today and I quote “you scouse cu*ts signed the best Centre half in the world and we have to put up with Chris f**king Smalling and lindllof.”.
      From my mate this is nothing short of a miracle.
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      Reply #37464: Nov 19, 2018 09:48:54 pm
      But he does not read the game as well as the others you have named yet

      You've just made that up.

      You haven't got a f**king clue.
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      Reply #37465: Nov 19, 2018 09:58:54 pm
      Don't mind me

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      Reply #37466: Nov 19, 2018 10:00:34 pm
      You've just made that up.

      You haven't got a f**king clue.

      He f***in’ read that alright......for the world’s 11th-20th best CB 🤣

      https://twitter.com/theanfieldwrap/status/1064634995363536897?s=21
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      Reply #37467: Nov 19, 2018 10:01:27 pm
      You've just made that up.

      You haven't got a f**king clue.

      Unlike what people think, I am not here to
      a) Wind people up
      b) make Friends or Enemies

      Why i am here is to do what anyone else is here to do and that is to give my opinion.
      Like it or not I stand by everything that I have said
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      Reply #37468: Nov 19, 2018 10:22:04 pm
      Like it or not I stand by everything that I have said

      Be careful not to stand in it.
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      Reply #37469: Nov 19, 2018 10:51:51 pm
      Unlike what people think, I am not here to
      a) Wind people up
      b) make Friends or Enemies

      Why i am here is to do what anyone else is here to do and that is to give my opinion.
      Like it or not I stand by everything that I have said

      I literally cannot find the articles you've claimed to have read. I've looked for 20 minutes. They don't exist or I'm not searching for what you searched for.
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      Reply #37470: Nov 19, 2018 11:04:38 pm
      I literally cannot find the articles you've claimed to have read. I've looked for 20 minutes. They don't exist or I'm not searching for what you searched for.
      I found the one where it says VVD 3rd best defender in the world. Whatever happened to the Castrol player ratings? They used to be good for stuff like this.


      3rd best defender

      https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-10-best-centre-backs-world?page=0%2C1&_format=amp

      11th best player overall

      http://www.squawka.com/en/football-player-rankings

      That's all I could find.
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      Reply #37471: Nov 20, 2018 07:15:25 am
      I found the one where it says VVD 3rd best defender in the world. Whatever happened to the Castrol player ratings? They used to be good for stuff like this.


      3rd best defender

      https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-10-best-centre-backs-world?page=0%2C1&_format=amp

      11th best player overall

      http://www.squawka.com/en/football-player-rankings

      That's all I could find.

      Yep I couldn’t find one that had him outside the top 5. Only exceptions were articles in 2017 or articles about the World Cup.
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      Reply #37472: Nov 20, 2018 08:24:45 am
      I've probably missed a couple out, but I'd say below defenders other than Ramos are around equal, but Van Dijk just edges it because he is younger which means his stamina will be a bit higher.

      Kompany - 32
      Godin - 32
      Chiellini - 34
      Pique - 31
      Ramos - 32
      Alderweireld - 29
      Van Dijk - 27

      As much as I hate Ramos I'd easily have him in the top5 along with Godin, Chiellini, VVD and Pique
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #37473: Nov 20, 2018 09:35:59 am
      I found the one where it says VVD 3rd best defender in the world. Whatever happened to the Castrol player ratings? They used to be good for stuff like this.


      3rd best defender

      https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-10-best-centre-backs-world?page=0%2C1&_format=amp

      11th best player overall

      http://www.squawka.com/en/football-player-rankings

      That's all I could find.

      Both of these have him as 3rd best defender.
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      Reply #37474: Nov 20, 2018 12:21:10 pm
      I found the one where it says VVD 3rd best defender in the world. Whatever happened to the Castrol player ratings? They used to be good for stuff like this.


      3rd best defender

      https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-10-best-centre-backs-world?page=0%2C1&_format=amp

      11th best player overall

      http://www.squawka.com/en/football-player-rankings

      That's all I could find.

      The 2nd one has Aspas as number 12  :laugh:

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