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      LFCSTEVE1984
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #39400: May 21, 2019 10:08:58 am
      Difficult to improve on near perfection...but...LFC's assist stats tell a tale:

      Assists from the back line....25 (TAA 12, AR 11, VvD 2)
      Assists from mids...............10 (JM 4, JH 3, Fab 2, NK 1)

      Truly remarkable how LFC's L & R Backs are asked to push forward and deliver important crosses and still defend on the back line with Best in the PL efficiency.

      This dependence on the back line to generate offense is far from ideal.
      When compared to MNC, the contrast in each team's ability to retain possession is striking. LFC leans on their back line and I'd love to see a time of possession stat for this group if such a stat exists.
      MNC relies on their mids to retain possession.
      MNC's ability to retain possession much closer to the goal presents their strikers with substantially more goal scoring opportunities. The strength of their mids allows this.

      LFC has work to do.

      MNC +1500 passes
      MNC +76 shots
      MNC +34 shots on target

      I have hope Ox plus a more settled Fab and Keita will provide more of a threat up the middle next year which in turn frees up the front 3 for uneven fast breaks. LFC's mids need to be better delivering the ball

      Over a 38 game season those stats look quite silly really.

      The 1,500 passes works out to roughly 40 more per match.

      The 76 shots equals 2 more than us per game.

      The 34 shots on target is less than 1 more than us per game.

      But that's taking into account that they are equally spread out over the 38 games.

      I bet there are a few freak matches where city had 8/900 passes and about 30 shots on goal.

      In fact against Huddersfield earlier in the season they had 32 shots at goal with 14 on target.

      Then against Cardiff they had 21 shots with 10 on target and 799 passes.

      Then against Brighton they had 28 shots, 8 on target and 850 passes. They won that game 2-0 haha

      Against West Ham they had 20 shots, 7 on target and 780 passes and again despite their dominance they won 1-0 courtesy of an aguero pen.

      A couple more results like that probably makes it a lot closer over the course of the season.

      Edit: also they scored a few more goals than us in the league but it's not like they were scoring 2 every game they had a lot of 1 - 0 wins and a few stat padding 5 and 6 goal maulings of relegation fodder.

      In fact their form over the last few games was pretty bad when you look at it needing cm over the line goals and a once in a lifetime strike from someone who hadn't scored all season.
      « Last Edit: May 21, 2019 10:36:23 am by LFCSTEVE1984 »
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #39401: May 21, 2019 11:18:36 am
      Truly remarkable how LFC's L & R Backs are asked to push forward and deliver important crosses and still defend on the back line with Best in the PL efficiency.

      This dependence on the back line to generate offense is far from ideal.
      When compared to MNC, the contrast in each team's ability to retain possession is striking.

      This happens because the coaches of both teams use different styles of play.
      I don't know why people keep ignoring this.
      « Last Edit: May 21, 2019 02:15:42 pm by racerx34 »
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      Reply #39402: May 21, 2019 12:50:19 pm
      This happens because the coaches of both teams use differents styles of play.
      I don't know why people keep ignoring this.

      Utterly crazy isn't it

      I said last week.... Stats everywhere but zero football understanding 🤦‍♂️
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      Reply #39403: May 21, 2019 12:55:07 pm
      substantially more goal scoring opportunities? Wow, okay, the fact they only scored 6 more goals than us I think tells a different story and actually makes their attack look worse than it is.

      If their midfield created that many more chances but they only gained 6 more goals than us, and conceded more then I'd say they have more reason to be worried than us and if you think our midfield needs to step it up then I would love to know what you make of the City attack for not gaining more than 6 goals on us from an extra 76 shots and 1500 passes.

      Well we conceded less goals than them so I wouldn't say our dependency on our defence is an issue at all. The fact that our 2 fullbacks likely gained more assists than the entire City midfield combined...(no I'm not including Sterling and Sane in this because like Salah and Mane, they play in a front 3), whilst keeping more clean sheets and conceding less goals than their defence who do less attacking than ours I think speaks volumes about just how good we actually are.

      If anything your post is just signifying how much dependency there is at City from Aguero, Sterling and Sane. City have a better midfield than us in terms of going forward and keeping the ball, but not defensively. Which is something you fail to mention. We have the best defence in the league in terms of defensively and attacking and we have the highest producing attack in the league too. Who gives a sh*t about possession? Controlling possession still led to them losing 4 games this season, the only reason they won the league is because they beat us, which was through a massive amount of luck.

      I don't know what your problem is but you always seems to be trying to pick holes and look for negatives that aren't there. You were doing it with Salah recently, the man who had 36 G/A and scored 9 winning goals.

      If you love City so much, then go and fill their forums with your rubbish.

      What a silly post, especially the last sentence.
      City play in a very different way to us, they play a constant continual press which is a wonderful tactic when teams just sit deep, not so good when any team dares to attack them. We tend to be more a quick attack team and with very good counter pressing to win the ball back. Stats can be very misleading in this regard but I would say that City typically dominate games more than we do, but that is also down to being a higher possession team.
      Overall both teams are fantastic, as shown in a thrilling league campaign, the slight advantage they have over us is strength in depth but if we can add some more attacking threat then I feel we are the better more rounded team.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #39404: May 21, 2019 05:25:02 pm
      What a silly post, especially the last sentence.

      I assume you mean the post by Borg?
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      Reply #39405: May 22, 2019 04:03:52 am
      Over a 38 game season those stats look quite silly really.

      The 1,500 passes works out to roughly 40 more per match.

      The 76 shots equals 2 more than us per game.

      The 34 shots on target is less than 1 more than us per game.

      But that's taking into account that they are equally spread out over the 38 games.

      I bet there are a few freak matches where city had 8/900 passes and about 30 shots on goal.

      In fact against Huddersfield earlier in the season they had 32 shots at goal with 14 on target.

      Then against Cardiff they had 21 shots with 10 on target and 799 passes.

      Then against Brighton they had 28 shots, 8 on target and 850 passes. They won that game 2-0 haha

      Against West Ham they had 20 shots, 7 on target and 780 passes and again despite their dominance they won 1-0 courtesy of an aguero pen.

      A couple more results like that probably makes it a lot closer over the course of the season.

      Edit: also they scored a few more goals than us in the league but it's not like they were scoring 2 every game they had a lot of 1 - 0 wins and a few stat padding 5 and 6 goal maulings of relegation fodder.

      In fact their form over the last few games was pretty bad when you look at it needing cm over the line goals and a once in a lifetime strike from someone who hadn't scored all season.

      I would be way too lazy to look up all of this. Hell, I was almost to lazy just to read it. Glad I did though, nice break down mate. Thanks
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #39406: May 22, 2019 06:25:36 am
      In my opinion we don't need any starters ... we're stacked in midfield too ... i'd rather sign some players with potential that would be happy to be backups in this season and could develop into first-team players. Don't need to throw money where we don't need.

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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #39407: May 22, 2019 07:55:54 am
      Difficult to improve on near perfection...but...LFC's assist stats tell a tale:

      Assists from the back line....25 (TAA 12, AR 11, VvD 2)
      Assists from mids...............10 (JM 4, JH 3, Fab 2, NK 1)

      Truly remarkable how LFC's L & R Backs are asked to push forward and deliver important crosses and still defend on the back line with Best in the PL efficiency.

      This dependence on the back line to generate offense is far from ideal.
      When compared to MNC, the contrast in each team's ability to retain possession is striking. LFC leans on their back line and I'd love to see a time of possession stat for this group if such a stat exists.
      MNC relies on their mids to retain possession.
      MNC's ability to retain possession much closer to the goal presents their strikers with substantially more goal scoring opportunities. The strength of their mids allows this.

      LFC has work to do.

      MNC +1500 passes
      MNC +76 shots
      MNC +34 shots on target

      I have hope Ox plus a more settled Fab and Keita will provide more of a threat up the middle next year which in turn frees up the front 3 for uneven fast breaks. LFC's mids need to be better delivering the ball

      It’s almost like myself and others have been saying for years that the midfield 6 in our system is in charge of martialling where the ball is until our fullbacks are in position to attack and then the 6 and one
      of the other 2 help hold while the full backs bomb on.

      It’s not a problem at all, with a midfield 3 and 2 inside forwards like Mane and Salah width must come from the fullbacks.

      Nobody is saying Christian Erikson or David Silva don’t get enough assists. Trent and Robbo have more than both of them.

      No issue from me
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #39408: May 22, 2019 08:20:33 am
      Fair enough.

      It's hard to tell that you were not serious about Mbappe. Some fans would say that and be serious.

      Out of interest Dan - who would you see missing out of that 3?
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      Reply #39409: May 22, 2019 11:15:39 am

      Thorgan Hazard has joined Dortmund plus with Brandt due to join later this week I wonder if Sancho will be made available.

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      Reply #39410: May 22, 2019 11:47:40 am
      Thorgan Hazard has joined Dortmund plus with Brandt due to join later this week I wonder if Sancho will be made available.



      Or they could be just replacing Pulisic, who is now at Chelsea.
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      Reply #39411: May 22, 2019 01:40:56 pm
      Thorgan Hazard has joined Dortmund plus with Brandt due to join later this week I wonder if Sancho will be made available.



      Don't kid yourself, City will be all in for Sancho.
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      Reply #39412: May 22, 2019 01:41:58 pm
      Out of interest Dan - who would you see missing out of that 3?

      I think if you get Mbappe, you play a front 4 to be honest :D
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      Reply #39413: May 22, 2019 02:05:00 pm
      I think if you get Mbappe, you play a front 4 to be honest :D

      There is that ;)

      My point was more that the one least likely (in my opinion) is clearly Bobby given the specificity of his role in a 3......
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      Reply #39414: May 22, 2019 02:18:31 pm
      I think if you get Mbappe, you play a front 4 to be honest :D

      I really think he could become a regular for us. He has been playing as a 9 more frequently this season and has shown he is probably better playing as the striker than a wide forward. His hold up play is surprisingly very good too! 

      I reckon if he leaves PSG and joins Real, City, us or Barca, he would be propelled to astronomical levels (like your Suarez, Ronaldo , Brazilian Ronaldo, Messi, Ronaldinho, Zidane etc) and be among the top 3 footballers for the next decade or so! Heck, I could even see him reaching similar goal scoring levels as Messi and Ronaldo!!! But yeah, who are we kidding, we are not gonna fork out 200m-300m and crazy ass wages for him.

      « Last Edit: May 22, 2019 02:23:33 pm by PurpleMonkey »
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #39415: May 22, 2019 03:24:20 pm
       
      @JamesPearceEcho
      Liverpool closing in on a deal to sign highly-rated young Polish keeper Jakub Ojrzynski #LFC
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      Reply #39416: May 22, 2019 04:43:54 pm

      @JamesPearceEcho
      Liverpool closing in on a deal to sign highly-rated young Polish keeper Jakub Ojrzynski #LFC

      OK, I'll try to get excited about that... Yay!! :-(

      Come on want some juicy rumours of top strikers we are after.
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      Reply #39417: May 22, 2019 04:46:26 pm

      @JamesPearceEcho
      Liverpool closing in on a deal to sign highly-rated young Polish keeper Jakub Ojrzynski #LFC

      How many more young keepers do we need ?
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      Reply #39418: May 22, 2019 04:47:54 pm

      @JamesPearceEcho
      Liverpool closing in on a deal to sign highly-rated young Polish keeper Jakub Ojrzynski #LFC

      Probably a lot more of these "for the future" deals than the bigger names we are discussing here. Saying that, will Jürgen look to this guy or maybe one of the other young keepers like Grabara or Kelleher as the backup next season on place of Mignolet, or will he sign a veteran?

      Edit:he's 16 so never mind about being the backup next season.
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      Reply #39419: May 22, 2019 05:11:10 pm
      How many more young keepers do we need ?

      Honestly thought we were good but this guys real young so he’ll probably be given a few years to develop.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #39420: May 22, 2019 05:46:55 pm
      https://twitter.com/BlackYellow/status/1131203922775937024?s=20

      Give it a year or 2 the brandt stories will start again
      « Last Edit: May 22, 2019 05:51:43 pm by FATKOPITE10 »
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      Reply #39421: May 23, 2019 04:43:37 am
      Samuel Chukwueze touted as Shaq's replacement as the latter apparently doesnt fit tactically. Not overly surprising given the fact that many of us wanted him subbed off at HT v Barca. A left-footed attacking signing if Shaq, Lallana and Wilson are moved on. Still believe we should let only one of Shaq/Lallana to leave.

      Depay and Chukwueze to the front-3. Think that might be our summer.
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      Reply #39422: May 23, 2019 09:51:34 am
      Problem for City is they already have a full squad of talent 24 players they cant really improve on it . We can still add quality to our squad and that can come by improving on the quality of players who will leave in the Summer.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #39423: May 23, 2019 11:08:18 am
      De Ligt & Nicolas Pepe job done, oh and a hand full of youngesters
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      Reply #39424: May 23, 2019 12:20:46 pm
      dont need de ligt....Gomez and VVD ftw.

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