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      ruthcity
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      Reply #40225: Jul 16, 2019 09:43:28 am
      I'd go all out for Mbappe, I think he is sensational as a forward and will only get better. Another player who I would love to see at Liverpool is Son but prising him away from Spurs would be more or less impossible.
      I know that neither one is realistic but it would be that kind of calibre I'd be aiming for, a player who is at the same level as our current front three to offer real rotation and options, not just be a highly paid bench warmer.

      Don't you have two more? A Hazard? A Coutinho? Both playmakers who can score? A Sterling? A KDB?

      That'll ensure we secure three points even before any match build-up starts. I see where you're coming from now...
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      Reply #40226: Jul 16, 2019 10:09:53 am
      Don't you have two more? A Hazard? A Coutinho? Both playmakers who can score? A Sterling? A KDB?

      That'll ensure we secure three points even before any match build-up starts. I see where you're coming from now...

      I’m not sure why the sarcasm? He is simply suggesting another decent option up top who offers a similar level of quality to the three we already have. Mbappe is hardly realistic but a player like Nicholas Pepe (ie. young, talented and versatile) or similar could be a good option. There are always talented attacking players out there.

      If either of the front three get injured long term we are currently looking at Shaqiri, Origi and the untested Brewster to come in. It’s quite a drop off wouldn’t you agree? Our biggest rival for the title barely missed De Bruyne. If Sterling was injured for the season they have Sane to step in, even Mahrez (who is a lesser player) has scored 20 goals or thereabouts I n a season before and has shown more than the lads we have on the bench. Does anyone think we could cover the loss of Salah or Mane for half a season and still accrue a similar points total?

      I’d love to hear from anyone who does?
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      Reply #40227: Jul 16, 2019 10:22:06 am
      I’m not sure why the sarcasm? He is simply suggesting another decent option up top who offers a similar level of quality to the three we already have. Mbappe is hardly realistic but a player like Nicholas Pepe (ie. young, talented and versatile) or similar could be a good option. There are always talented attacking players out there.

      If either of the front three get injured long term we are currently looking at Shaqiri, Origi and the untested Brewster to come in. It’s quite a drop off wouldn’t you agree? Our biggest rival for the title barely missed De Bruyne. If Sterling was list for the season they have Sane to step in. Does anyone think we could cover the loss of Salah or Mane for half a season and still accrue a similar points total?

      I’d love to hear from them.

      No I wasn't sarcastic. I've no right to judge. He has a right to his own opinion and I respect that. I just wanted to understand where he's coming from. Everyone has a different view and we need to understand each individual's starting point. See, I now get to understand his viewpoint. Nothing wrong with his opinion. I now understand he desires that type of quality on our bench. The Hazards and KDBs are of a similar vein to Mbappe. It's an extreme scenario but now we get to understand another type of viewpoint more.

      Yes I was sarcastic before. But not today. I said upfront I've no right to judge. You probably misunderstood me this time... I do not want to take him down. His opinion is his own right. I'm prepared to respect that today.

      I personally take a different view. I feel Divock can cover. He's proven he could deliver. So we do not need to spend the money. That's it, differing views.
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      Reply #40228: Jul 16, 2019 10:36:36 am
      No I wasn't sarcastic. I've no right to judge. He has a right to his own opinion and I respect that. I just wanted to understand where he's coming from. Everyone has a different view and we need to understand each individual's starting point. See, I now get to understand his viewpoint. Nothing wrong with his opinion. I now understand he desires that type of quality on our bench. The Hazards and KDBs are of a similar vein to Mbappe. It's an extreme scenario but now we get to understand another type of viewpoint more.

      Yes I was sarcastic before. But not today. I said upfront I've no right to judge. You probably misunderstood me this time... I do not want to take him down. His opinion is his own right. I'm prepared to respect that today.

      I personally take a different view. I feel Divock can cover. He's proven he could deliver. So we do not need to spend the money. That's it, differing views.

      Soz if I misread your post.

      With regards to Divock, if you are happy with him then I guess you will be happier with the squad. He obviously scored some huge goals last season and showed signs of developing but for me he isn’t a great cover option for the Salah or Mane roles and as a centre forward he is more of a change up off the bench in that offers something different. If we were relying on Divock to start matches week in week out I suspect we will see the old inconsistencies appear once again. Hopefully I’m wrong and last season is a springboard but I find Origi to be quite an infuriating player, he is blessed with incredible physical attributes and has talent but often he doesn’t use his physicality and his touch and decision making let him down at times. What I’m saying is he is far from a sure thing. 
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      Reply #40229: Jul 16, 2019 11:54:54 am
      Dear Michael Edward's,

      I'm currently in Tenerife and have had to suffer the ignominy of sitting next to a bunch of rather large chaps *
      (of a blue moon & Tottingham inclination) wearing oversized nylon tops and cheering like it was a UCL final as Engerland won the Croquet World Series.

      I'm either hungover or drunk and the paranoia is eating me alive........

      Be a nice chap and sign a belter so I can.stick it to the Spurs and Manc fucktards.

      Cheers bossman

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      Reply #40230: Jul 16, 2019 12:22:29 pm
      Is this Coutinho loan stuff all bollocks? Some divvy in work reckons it's on but I think he sees a rumour and passes it off as fact.

      Would be funny to do it though. 2 year loan, pay his wages but then when the time comes to buy send him packing back.

      My best guess is poor Philippe is off to PSG whether he likes it or not as a makeweight in their pursuit of bringing back Neymar.
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      Reply #40231: Jul 16, 2019 12:54:37 pm
      Is this Coutinho loan stuff all bollocks? Some divvy in work reckons it's on but I think he sees a rumour and passes it off as fact.

      Would be funny to do it though. 2 year loan, pay his wages but then when the time comes to buy send him packing back.

      My best guess is poor Philippe is off to PSG whether he likes it or not as a makeweight in their pursuit of bringing back Neymar.

      Yeah I think so mate, his agent has said a couple of things but seemingly in response to specific questions about whether Coutinho could be s target for the mancs. I don’t think there’s much in it tbh
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      Reply #40232: Jul 16, 2019 01:07:06 pm
      100% agree, nail on the head.

      It is astonishing that some people are actually arguing against having a stronger squad!! As for this signing someone to sit on the bench nonsense, it is utter crap, with 4 quality forwards you could rotate and give the current three a bit more rest throughout the season, plus not have to play them when they have a dip in form AND have someone to come in off the bench to change a game, which we were crying out for a few times last season when we had those few flat games that led to draws.

      Stop talking sense will you!
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      Reply #40233: Jul 16, 2019 01:12:43 pm
      Its taken Jürgen nearly 4 years to get the team he wants with the right type of players suggesting Mbappe is an "option" is lunacy and clearly no thought had gone into having him at Liverpool. firstly his fee is going to be somewhere near £200 mil and his wage demands are going to be twice that of our highest paid player who will immediately get on to his agent asking WTF is going on. The balance of the squad is perfect in every way so its not a matter of how much we pay its how well they will fit in with the rest of the squad.
      Ignoring the fact that Ox ,Joe and Rhian will effectively be new players is just nonsense as Jürgen has said so himself on a few occasions.
      We need a replacement for Danny which may well be Rhian and a left back cover for Robbo. We also haven't seen the best of Shaq though niggling injuries and Lovren and Lallana played little part last season so I can see why jurgen has said it will not be a busy window.
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      Reply #40234: Jul 16, 2019 01:30:08 pm
      Its taken Jürgen nearly 4 years to get the team he wants with the right type of players suggesting Mbappe is an "option" is lunacy and clearly no thought had gone into having him at Liverpool. firstly his fee is going to be somewhere near £200 mil and his wage demands are going to be twice that of our highest paid player who will immediately get on to his agent asking WTF is going on. The balance of the squad is perfect in every way so its not a matter of how much we pay its how well they will fit in with the rest of the squad.
      Ignoring the fact that Ox ,Joe and Rhian will effectively be new players is just nonsense as Jürgen has said so himself on a few occasions.
      We need a replacement for Danny which may well be Rhian and a left back cover for Robbo. We also haven't seen the best of Shaq though niggling injuries and Lovren and Lallana played little part last season so I can see why jurgen has said it will not be a busy window.

      How do you think we would cope if we lost two of our front free for an extended period mate?
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      Reply #40235: Jul 16, 2019 01:58:44 pm
      Its taken Jürgen nearly 4 years to get the team he wants with the right type of players suggesting Mbappe is an "option" is lunacy and clearly no thought had gone into having him at Liverpool. firstly his fee is going to be somewhere near £200 mil and his wage demands are going to be twice that of our highest paid player who will immediately get on to his agent asking WTF is going on. The balance of the squad is perfect in every way so its not a matter of how much we pay its how well they will fit in with the rest of the squad.
      Ignoring the fact that Ox ,Joe and Rhian will effectively be new players is just nonsense as Jürgen has said so himself on a few occasions.
      We need a replacement for Danny which may well be Rhian and a left back cover for Robbo. We also haven't seen the best of Shaq though niggling injuries and Lovren and Lallana played little part last season so I can see why jurgen has said it will not be a busy window.

      So why were we pursuing Fekir then and was Shaqiri the backup signing to Fekir?
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      Reply #40236: Jul 16, 2019 02:34:05 pm
      How do you think we would cope if we lost two of our front free for an extended period mate?

      we will do mate at the start of this season both Mo and Sadio will not be available for the first few games so we will see how Jürgen deals with this.  I am absolutely certain Jürgen and his team have everything covered and if he wants a player or more than one player he will get the funds needed. We managed last season without quite a few players and lost one game. All the front three had periods of poor form it would be crazy if they didn't but Jürgen managed the squad and we lost one league game and won the CL yet for some it wasn't enough and we need to spend £200mil on Mbappe. Its as if they haven't heard a word Jürgen has said in his time here its all about building for the future and now we have a squad ready to win some silverware for the next few seasons.
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      Reply #40237: Jul 16, 2019 02:38:21 pm
      So why were we pursuing Fekir then and was Shaqiri the backup signing to Fekir?

      A lot of factors go into buying a player. (At least they should).  A players ability, his preferred role, his adaptability, his potential or real impact on squad chemistry, the other players we already have, and yes, his asking price and wage demands. any one of these can throw off a transfer happening , as can health issues.

      Fekir's health ended the deal for us. There are other players who might be good, but who don't fit because one or more of the other factors listed . On here you can look at players in a vacuum - "X is a good player so therefore we MUST sign him" -  but a good manager will look at them in context. That is what Jürgen does. 

      New signings are like a crack pipe, i get it.  Why do I know many details about a 16-year old we've brought in who can't sign a pro contract until April? Because he's new. But if you look at it from the long perspective, signings should supplement development, not the other way around. We've signed plenty, for this window at least, there are other avenues from which to get better.
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      Reply #40238: Jul 16, 2019 02:52:20 pm
      So why were we pursuing Fekir then and was Shaqiri the backup signing to Fekir?

      My conspiracy theory says that Fekir's stats were great and therefore we went in for him. In the middle of it all, there was Shaq for just £12m. Perhaps the stats are not too far off and for that price, perhaps Shaq based on dollar value is more bang for buck. So they messed up Fekir's deal and went ahead with Shaq.

      That's my conspiracy theory. May or may not be true, but ask me and I'll go with this.
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      Reply #40239: Jul 16, 2019 04:50:58 pm
      100% agree, nail on the head.

      It is astonishing that some people are actually arguing against having a stronger squad!! As for this signing someone to sit on the bench nonsense, it is utter crap, with 4 quality forwards you could rotate and give the current three a bit more rest throughout the season, plus not have to play them when they have a dip in form AND have someone to come in off the bench to change a game, which we were crying out for a few times last season when we had those few flat games that led to draws.

      No one is arguing against a strong squad - you were suggesting that we bring in a 100mil striker .

      Klopp doesn’t rotate that three enough to bring in a “100mil” striker - hence why Klopp won’t bring in one because the front three will play “95%” of the time - the other times he has played players like Origi , Sturridge , adapted the system to bring in Shaqiri etc etc

      The club isn’t going to spend £100mil on someone like Icardi or Dybala and then have them on the bench or put one of the others on the bench - we just won’t do that , Klopp won’t do that.

      There will always be “what if’s “ in regards injuries etc and if we did lose someone for an extended period then I suspect the boss will sign someone - but it’s not football manager where you can have 6 top quality players in the squad for the front three and just keep rotating them - even City have unhappy players because they don’t play enough
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      Reply #40240: Jul 16, 2019 05:06:49 pm
      A lot of factors go into buying a player. (At least they should).  A players ability, his preferred role, his adaptability, his potential or real impact on squad chemistry, the other players we already have, and yes, his asking price and wage demands. any one of these can throw off a transfer happening , as can health issues.

      Fekir's health ended the deal for us. There are other players who might be good, but who don't fit because one or more of the other factors listed . On here you can look at players in a vacuum - "X is a good player so therefore we MUST sign him" -  but a good manager will look at them in context. That is what Jürgen does. 

      New signings are like a crack pipe, i get it.  Why do I know many details about a 16-year old we've brought in who can't sign a pro contract until April? Because he's new. But if you look at it from the long perspective, signings should supplement development, not the other way around. We've signed plenty, for this window at least, there are other avenues from which to get better.

      You completely missed the point of my post. What I was saying was that if Klopp was happy with his front three and attack in general last summer then why was he pursuing Fekir seeing as he is an extra high quality attacker?  BTW we have an even weaker attack right now, with Sturridge having left and with Brewster being a completely unknown quantity at this level.
      Now it may well be that Klopp has seen enough in Brewster to suggest he is that 4th quality forward we need and if so then I trust him, but I still think its a bit of a gamble and I'd much prefer we get one more top quality forward to fight for places with Mo, Sadio and Bobby. I am still baffled why you have an issue with this?
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      Reply #40241: Jul 16, 2019 05:08:18 pm
      My conspiracy theory says that Fekir's stats were great and therefore we went in for him. In the middle of it all, there was Shaq for just £12m. Perhaps the stats are not too far off and for that price, perhaps Shaq based on dollar value is more bang for buck. So they messed up Fekir's deal and went ahead with Shaq.

      That's my conspiracy theory. May or may not be true, but ask me and I'll go with this.

      as much as I love the wee man there is no way in hell Shaq's stats are as good as Fekir's, now or then.
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      Reply #40242: Jul 16, 2019 05:10:31 pm
      No one is arguing against a strong squad - you were suggesting that we bring in a 100mil striker .

      Klopp doesn’t rotate that three enough to bring in a “100mil” striker - hence why Klopp won’t bring in one because the front three will play “95%” of the time - the other times he has played players like Origi , Sturridge , adapted the system to bring in Shaqiri etc etc

      The club isn’t going to spend £100mil on someone like Icardi or Dybala and then have them on the bench or put one of the others on the bench - we just won’t do that , Klopp won’t do that.

      There will always be “what if’s “ in regards injuries etc and if we did lose someone for an extended period then I suspect the boss will sign someone - but it’s not football manager where you can have 6 top quality players in the squad for the front three and just keep rotating them - even City have unhappy players because they don’t play enough

      The reason Klopp doesn't rotate the front three is because he can't, the drop off in quality is simply to large and yes I think we would probably have to spend £100m to get a forward with enough quality to push our current front three, but why on earth shouldn't they have competition for places like all our other players have?
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      Reply #40243: Jul 16, 2019 05:25:20 pm
      as much as I love the wee man there is no way in hell Shaq's stats are as good as Fekir's, now or then.

      Yes you're right. I didn't say so either. I emphasised "not too far off" and they key is "more bang for buck". If I may elaborate... Gives more value per dollar spent. If I may go on further... Much cheaper and perhaps gives stats not too far off from Fekir's. And if I'm right about this, Shaq's purchase would make more sense. The key is more practical and makes better sense where spending is concerned.

      And where clarification is needed, not to pay too much or go for the best at ridiculous prices.

      In summary Shaq is more a bargain. Something like that.
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      Reply #40244: Jul 16, 2019 05:38:42 pm
      we will do mate at the start of this season both Mo and Sadio will not be available for the first few games so we will see how Jürgen deals with this.  I am absolutely certain Jürgen and his team have everything covered and if he wants a player or more than one player he will get the funds needed. We managed last season without quite a few players and lost one game. All the front three had periods of poor form it would be crazy if they didn't but Jürgen managed the squad and we lost one league game and won the CL yet for some it wasn't enough and we need to spend £200mil on Mbappe. Its as if they haven't heard a word Jürgen has said in his time here its all about building for the future and now we have a squad ready to win some silverware for the next few seasons.

      I don’t think that’s the same though mate, if we we’re to lose either or both to long-term injuries we’re a very different team. Sure we can cope with a couple of games here and there but my worry would be if Origi or Shaqiri are players we are relying on for back to back games against City, Milan and then Arsenal for example. I know Mbappe is a silly idea but a player of genuine quality to challenge these lads for playing time would make a lot of sense.
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      Reply #40245: Jul 16, 2019 05:56:48 pm
      We had a massive need for a CB and we bought Virgil and then the same with a GK. We do not have an obvious need for a world class player  now we need cover and players who can develop which is exactly what Jürgen does. He has a net spend of about £75mil in 4 years or so he is a squad builder . We have yet to see the best of Naby. OX, Joe at CB and Shaq .
       As far as I can see there is not an obvious player out there regardless of money who can add something to this squad. Given we knew Danny would be off I think the development of Brewster covers his role and if Mignolet stays we are really looking at a left back for Robbo.
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      Reply #40246: Jul 16, 2019 06:05:07 pm
      We had a massive need for a CB and we bought Virgil and then the same with a GK. We do not have an obvious need for a world class player  now we need cover and players who can develop which is exactly what Jürgen does. He has a net spend of about £75mil in 4 years or so he is a squad builder . We have yet to see the best of Naby. OX, Joe at CB and Shaq .
       As far as I can see there is not an obvious player out there regardless of money who can add something to this squad. Given we knew Danny would be off I think the development of Brewster covers his role and if Mignolet stays we are really looking at a left back for Robbo.

      They might even decide to keep Clyne as he can cover both positions, it would be a 1 year fix for sure but it would work defensively. We also all need to remember we may not play a 4-3-3 which will allow a position of strength (midfield) to give players a rest or cover if an injury occurs.

      The issue is Jürgen is going to buy people that will improve his starting XI; were not going to find any that our better than our front 3 and conversely were not going to sign a £100 million player who does not want to start or conversely we are paying to sit on the bench. The balancing act is a very fine line that seems to be overlooked by most.

      That being said "if" you could get a Dembele for 70-80 million who would be willing to rotate with the front 3 with the idea that one or perhaps 2 of them might leave in the next year or two i'd be all in.
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      Reply #40247: Jul 16, 2019 06:11:17 pm
      ts taken Jürgen nearly 4 years to get the team he wants with the right type of players suggesting Mbappe is an "option" is lunacy and clearly no thought had gone into having him at Liverpool.

      I'm not so sure it's lunacy Walt; i don't expect one or both of Salah/Mane to be here two seasons from now. If we were to win the league this year it wouldn't shock me (or anger me) if Salah wanted to try something different. If Salah was sold at say £150+ million bringing somebody in like Mbappe is not unrealistic at all.

      But yeah it's not happening this year.
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      Reply #40248: Jul 16, 2019 06:19:18 pm
      The reason Klopp doesn't rotate the front three is because he can't, the drop off in quality is simply to large and yes I think we would probably have to spend £100m to get a forward with enough quality to push our current front three, but why on earth shouldn't they have competition for places like all our other players have?

      The reason why Klopp doesn’t rotate the front three is because he doesn’t want too - has given Interviews before staying that he likes the constant of the front three to allow them to create their partnerships etc etc - it was the same at Dortmund as well

      He isn’t going to spend £100mil on a player to rotate and provide competition- it’s just not going to happen - if Klopp finds someone that can provide someone to add something into that front three then he will buy them but right now he is looking at Origi , Brewster and Wilson as the players to fill those three spots behind the main three guys to provide competition and back up - those front three are as good as any in Europe as a three
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      Reply #40249: Jul 16, 2019 06:37:36 pm
      The reason why Klopp doesn’t rotate the front three is because he doesn’t want too - has given Interviews before staying that he likes the constant of the front three to allow them to create their partnerships etc etc - it was the same at Dortmund as well



      I’m fairly sure he rotated to some degree when he also had Coutinho as an option during the first 3-4 months of Salah’s first season? I can’t recall that he played all 4 all the time.

      Going back to the squad do people think we will make a fist if the domestic cups this year with the squad we have?

      And do people think that we have enough depth to handle the week in Qatar for the World Club Cup?

      You see I don’t think we’ve got the depth to make a real dent in the domestic cups (we didn’t last season and the squad is no bigger as it stands) and I also think the club cup will have a knock on effect ie. the travel and jet lag impact, movement of fixtures leading to games in hand that have to be squeezed in elsewhere etc.

      I find it a bit weird that the mere suggestion of the need to strengthen is being shouted down by so many if I’m honest. I think we need more players.

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