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      General LFC Transfer rumours/gossip thread

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      Re: General LFC Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #43725: Jan 17, 2021 03:34:11 pm
      He's been superb hasn't he, our best players so far this season in my opinion (with Robbo not far behind).

      I remain hopeful we will bring someone in BUT the club have usually done their business earlier in the window in previous years so it's a real cause for concern not to see any movement. Young Williams and Nat Phillips have both done ok but both of them are slow on the turn team) (not something you can get away with in a Klopp team) and it's bonkers to expect Henderson to pay there.

      I guess it's one of 4 scenarios

      - Klopp has confidence in Williams and sees a genuine future for the lad
      - We're just biding our time and Edwards is gong to bring someone in after all
      - We really are completely feckin skint and cant do a deal
      - Gomez and VVD are quietly making better progress than expected and the club think they will be both feature again this season



      Well it looks like we're either skint or the bosses are there usual skinflint selves
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      Reply #43726: Jan 17, 2021 08:47:14 pm
      We have a clear goalscoring problem that is, in my opinion, a direct consequence of how deep we have to sit (especially the midfielders) in order to compensate for VVD's absence. His absence is even bigger than what most of us anticipated. A lot of the blame is currently being laid on the front three yet when I watch the games, all I see is 3 desperately isolated players who are dealing with defenders doubling and tripling up on them. The only creativity I see is the quality pass or two from deep from Thiago and the crosses from the full-back. I don't think I am surprising anybody here by saying that none of our front three is built to receive and pounce on crosses. This usually works because our midfield is pressing super high and pounces on the 2nd and 3rd balls either by being a scoring position themselves or passing it back to the front 3 while the opposition's defence is out of shape (counter of the counter). They can do that because of the crazy tactical awareness of VVD in how he positions himself and Joe + the sheer amount of yards these two can cover in a matter of seconds running back. Now of course this does not excuse the fact that the 3 guys upfront need to be much sharper (it would've made the difference in more than a couple of our recent games) but the truth is that they are desperately underfed.

      Are we actually better off going for somebody that can come and slot in at the back or are we better off operating some sort of change in our tactics to allocate more players upfront (something like a 4-2-3-1 with Shaq in the 10 and more options once Jota is back)?

      I ask this question because if my theory is correct (which is a big if as I don't pretend to be a tactical expert of some sort) most of our offensive woes are the result of the huge tactical hole VVD leaves behind in his prolonged absence then what are the chances, in January, that we pick somebody with enough quality to patch such a hole? I mean I don't see Botman or Kabak coming in and just solving such a problem. Sure its one more able body who can play CB but does it even begin to address the problem mentioned above?

      I get that such a logic does not address the issues one might have with the quality of a Rhys or Phillips but I also can't say that neither of them has been sh*t. Rhys has impressed me most of the time he's been out there. Also, back to my point, our problem is not defensive in the sense of leaking goals. If you subtract the 7 goals conceded in the freak game against Villa (VVD was in that lineup too), we have 14 goals allowed, one more than the best defense in the league (City).
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      Reply #43727: Jan 17, 2021 09:02:09 pm
      We have a clear goalscoring problem that is, in my opinion, a direct consequence of how deep we have to sit (especially the midfielders) in order to compensate for VVD's absence. His absence is even bigger than what most of us anticipated. A lot of the blame is currently being laid on the front three yet when I watch the games, all I see is 3 desperately isolated players who are dealing with defenders doubling and tripling up on them. The only creativity I see is the quality pass or two from deep from Thiago and the crosses from the full-back. I don't think I am surprising anybody here by saying that none of our front three is built to receive and pounce on crosses. This usually works because our midfield is pressing super high and pounces on the 2nd and 3rd balls either by being a scoring position themselves or passing it back to the front 3 while the opposition's defence is out of shape (counter of the counter). They can do that because of the crazy tactical awareness of VVD in how he positions himself and Joe + the sheer amount of yards these two can cover in a matter of seconds running back. Now of course this does not excuse the fact that the 3 guys upfront need to be much sharper (it would've made the difference in more than a couple of our recent games) but the truth is that they are desperately underfed.

      Are we actually better off going for somebody that can come and slot in at the back or are we better off operating some sort of change in our tactics to allocate more players upfront (something like a 4-2-3-1 with Shaq in the 10 and more options once Jota is back)?

      I ask this question because if my theory is correct (which is a big if as I don't pretend to be a tactical expert of some sort) most of our offensive woes are the result of the huge tactical hole VVD leaves behind in his prolonged absence then what are the chances, in January, that we pick somebody with enough quality to patch such a hole? I mean I don't see Botman or Kabak coming in and just solving such a problem. Sure its one more able body who can play CB but does it even begin to address the problem mentioned above?

      I get that such a logic does not address the issues one might have with the quality of a Rhys or Phillips but I also can't say that neither of them has been sh*t. Rhys has impressed me most of the time he's been out there. Also, back to my point, our problem is not defensive in the sense of leaking goals. If you subtract the 7 goals conceded in the freak game against Villa (VVD was in that lineup too), we have 14 goals allowed, one more than the best defense in the league (City).


      Sorry but that is mostly bollocks, in the first 25 minutes today we had Man Utd pegged back, the midfield and defence playing lovely attractive football and creating plenty of openings for our forwards but they did absolutely f**k all with the chances, in that situation there is literally nothing you can do and you could see how dire it got that by the end you had Thiago take shots himself, and coming damn close to scoring actually.
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      Re: General LFC Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #43728: Jan 17, 2021 09:16:58 pm

      Sorry but that is mostly bollocks, in the first 25 minutes today we had Man Utd pegged back, the midfield and defence playing lovely attractive football and creating plenty of openings for our forwards but they did absolutely f**k all with the chances, in that situation there is literally nothing you can do and you could see how dire it got that by the end you had Thiago take shots himself, and coming damn close to scoring actually.

      We didn't create any real chances though did we couple of half openings
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      Reply #43729: Jan 17, 2021 09:20:57 pm

      Sorry but that is mostly bollocks, in the first 25 minutes today we had Man Utd pegged back, the midfield and defence playing lovely attractive football and creating plenty of openings for our forwards but they did absolutely f**k all with the chances, in that situation there is literally nothing you can do and you could see how dire it got that by the end you had Thiago take shots himself, and coming damn close to scoring actually.
      Apart from one time where Bobby should've passed instead of shooting (or maybe it was the opposite) I can't remember one clear cut chance any of the 3 forwards had all game long.

      Edit: You're mistaking giving the ball to Mane or Salah in the half space with the whole opposition defence already back and in position with a full-back and midfielder doubling on him for a chance. Also, its not because Mane or Salah manage to wiggle through 3 pairs of legs and take an improbable shot that it means we had a chance.

      Us: 17 shots (4 on target)

      UTD: 8 shots (4 on target)
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      Reply #43730: Jan 18, 2021 08:50:35 am
      We didn't create any real chances though did we couple of half openings

      I disagree, we actually created some decent chances, unfortunately most of them fell to Bobby, one in particular just needed Bobby to slot it either side of the keeper but he completely scuffed the shot, in several other situations the forwards were choosing to shoot rather than to pass, but to say we didn't have good situations/opportunities is not true.
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      Reply #43731: Jan 18, 2021 08:54:24 am
      Apart from one time where Bobby should've passed instead of shooting (or maybe it was the opposite) I can't remember one clear cut chance any of the 3 forwards had all game long.

      Edit: You're mistaking giving the ball to Mane or Salah in the half space with the whole opposition defence already back and in position with a full-back and midfielder doubling on him for a chance. Also, its not because Mane or Salah manage to wiggle through 3 pairs of legs and take an improbable shot that it means we had a chance.

      Us: 17 shots (4 on target)

      UTD: 8 shots (4 on target)

      I'd say even in the second half where it was Mo against Shaw was a damned good chance, when on form Mo would easily control that ball and go on to score, the decision making is terrible for our forwards, its making them rush their game, far too often they shoot when they should pass and vice versa, I've said it before but there is some serious disharmony in that forward line, for 3 players who have played together for 3+ years now the understanding is awful. Just think back to great strike partnerships of the past and compare.
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      Re: General LFC Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #43732: Jan 18, 2021 10:14:38 am
      Origi should be gone by now. It's clear he doesn't have the level to play here. As I wrote in another post, ManU brought Cavani in, we brought Origi... We should have better players on the bench. The shame is that our "striker" does not score. I'm tired of the excuses about Firmino's poor stats. He got several chances yesterday but messed up. 
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      Reply #43733: Jan 18, 2021 03:08:22 pm
      We didn't create any real chances though did we couple of half openings

      Been saying the same thing but one or two must of been watching another match and got wires crossed with last nites game.  :D
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      Reply #43734: Jan 18, 2021 03:40:14 pm
      Been saying the same thing but one or two must of been watching another match and got wires crossed with last nites game.  :D

      Look your lot had two shots on target, big whoop, both were fairly easily saved. We had numerous opportunities to at the very least test De Gea but unfortunately almost all the chances fell to the hapless Firminio who either scuffed his shot or fu**ed it up in some other way. We had more  opportunities to score than you did, not more shots on goal but more opportunities.
      What is a FACT is that last night was your best opportunity to beat us at Anfield for a long long time and your beloved team fu**ed it up, that gives me quite a lot of satisfaction ;-)
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      Reply #43735: Jan 18, 2021 03:45:10 pm
      Look your lot had two shots on target, big whoop, both were fairly easily saved. We had numerous opportunities to at the very least test De Gea but unfortunately almost all the chances fell to the hapless Firminio who either scuffed his shot or fu**ed it up in some other way. We had more  opportunities to score than you did, not more shots on goal but more opportunities.
      What is a FACT is that last night was your best opportunity to beat us at Anfield for a long long time and your beloved team fu**ed it up, that gives me quite a lot of satisfaction ;-)

      You've not answered my other post yet.
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      Reply #43736: Jan 18, 2021 03:46:27 pm
      You've not answered my other post yet.

      what other question?
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      Reply #43737: Jan 18, 2021 03:48:59 pm

      Been answered now.   :D I've just replied.
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      Reply #43738: Jan 18, 2021 03:53:40 pm
      Origi should be gone by now. It's clear he doesn't have the level to play here. As I wrote in another post, ManU brought Cavani in, we brought Origi... We should have better players on the bench. The shame is that our "striker" does not score. I'm tired of the excuses about Firmino's poor stats. He got several chances yesterday but messed up. 

      A joke he came on ahead of Minamino. That lad had his best performance v Palace and we have not seen him since.
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      Reply #43739: Jan 18, 2021 03:54:08 pm
      Been answered now.   :D I've just replied.

      Cool, I always pride myself on replying to my fans ;-)
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      Reply #43740: Jan 18, 2021 03:56:01 pm
      A joke he came on ahead of Minamino. That lad had his best performance v Palace and we have not seen him since.

      We just have to accept that Klopp really really likes Origi, Minamino not so much. From a footballing point of view its baffling but maybe Minamino is an utter c**t in the dressing room whereas Origi is the coolest dude you could ever hope to meet.
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      Reply #43741: Jan 18, 2021 03:57:34 pm
      Look your lot had two shots on target, big whoop, both were fairly easily saved. We had numerous opportunities to at the very least test De Gea but unfortunately almost all the chances fell to the hapless Firminio who either scuffed his shot or fu**ed it up in some other way. We had more  opportunities to score than you did, not more shots on goal but more opportunities.
      What is a FACT is that last night was your best opportunity to beat us at Anfield for a long long time and your beloved team fu**ed it up, that gives me quite a lot of satisfaction ;-)

      I know when I get in debate with you very hard to turn you around so won't attempt to try.  :D.  You didn't have numerous opportunities as you call it. You had ONE pretty good chance as stated. Classing what can only be described as quarter chances are not what I call clear chances. However, we shall agree to disagree on that one.

      It is FACT that was our best chance to beat you (( as I've said in other threads )) we fu**ed up and quite rightly your  gloating about it which I would do the same if I was in that postition.
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      Reply #43742: Jan 18, 2021 04:04:27 pm
      I know when I get in debate with you very hard to turn you around so won't attempt to try.  :D.  You didn't have numerous opportunities as you call it. You had ONE pretty good chance as stated. Classing what can only be described as quarter chances are not what I call clear chances. However, we shall agree to disagree on that one.

      It is FACT that was our best chance to beat you (( as I've said in other threads )) we fu**ed up and quite rightly your  gloating about it which I would do the same if I was in that postition.

      OK we'll agree to disagree Keith, its a game both sides could have won with better finishing.
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      Reply #43743: Jan 18, 2021 04:32:18 pm
      OK we'll agree to disagree Keith, its a game both sides could have won with better finishing.

      That can be said in any match.  ;D However, if both teams did score their  best chances  United would of won.
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      Reply #43744: Jan 18, 2021 05:13:05 pm
      I disagree, we actually created some decent chances, unfortunately most of them fell to Bobby, one in particular just needed Bobby to slot it either side of the keeper but he completely scuffed the shot, in several other situations the forwards were choosing to shoot rather than to pass, but to say we didn't have good situations/opportunities is not true.

      As I said half openings Fernandez and Pogba had chances we had openings which I admit could and should have gone in but they weren't really clear chances but are the difference
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      Reply #43745: Jan 18, 2021 05:58:47 pm
      I'd say even in the second half where it was Mo against Shaw was a damned good chance, when on form Mo would easily control that ball and go on to score, the decision making is terrible for our forwards, its making them rush their game, far too often they shoot when they should pass and vice versa, I've said it before but there is some serious disharmony in that forward line, for 3 players who have played together for 3+ years now the understanding is awful. Just think back to great strike partnerships of the past and compare.
      There is no question that the 3 of them are going through a very dry patch. Usually at least one will still be firing. This, in my opinion, is indicative of the lack of clear chances we are able to feed them with (and this is despite me conceding that they are also out of form and should finish some of the chances that came their way in the past games)

      In my opinion, we looked much better in the first half because Shaq was very active around the penalty box either carrying the ball or with his passes. He was, most of the time, acting almost like a no. 10. Wether this was Klopp's instructions or just him naturally drifting into these spaces is something I'd love to get an answer to. Unfortunately he did not start the 2nd half the same way he was playing in the 1st half. This is indicative of the need for finding a new balance, either through a formation change or a purely tactical one, that will provide us with more efficiency when we have the ball at our feet and still deal with the fact that VVD and Joe are out.

      To connect this with the subject of this thread (transfers), I simply don't see the addition of a new CB as a solution to our current problems which, in short, are our inability to score more than the opposition despite having the ball most of the game.
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      Re: General LFC Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #43746: Jan 18, 2021 10:37:43 pm
      Just heard through the grapevine we are nailed on to get diddly squat this window.
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      Reply #43747: Jan 18, 2021 10:41:18 pm
      Just heard through the grapevine we are nailed on to get diddly squat this window.

      Would take Diddly over Origi.
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      Re: General LFC Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #43748: Jan 19, 2021 07:53:42 am
      Oh look at that Villa about to spend £15M but the Champions don’t have a spare penny even for a loanee CB.............
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      Reply #43749: Jan 19, 2021 08:32:13 am
      Oh look at that Villa about to spend £15M but the Champions don’t have a spare penny even for a loanee CB.............

      pathetic isn't it, any other club would be bringing in a cb if in our position. I'd love to know who is blocking it, Klopp, Edwards or owners.

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