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      Reply #43825: Jan 15, 2021 12:15:14 am
      As much as it is frustrating to see time pass without us getting someone I think the mistake was going into the season with 3 Cb's. As much as I love Klopp and respect him, him and all his staff are still just humans and do commit mistakes. If your plan B is playing a midfielder as a CB then there's a problem especially going into a season everybody was predicting as being one where a lot of players will get injured.

      If you add to this the fact that Matip is literally injured every two games or so and that everybody knows that he will be sidelined way more minutes than he will be available then playing Fab at the back isn't even worthy of the term ''Plan B''. It was literally a ''plan A 1/2''.
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      Reply #43826: Jan 15, 2021 08:29:15 am
      James Pearce again confirmed, very unlikley they will get a CB unless something radical changes.

      Something radical not having any fit CB's in the the team, how much more f**king radical does it need to get for these fuckwits owners at the club????  I just cannot understand why we are not at least getting someone in on loan are we on the cusp of bankruptcy or something?
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      Reply #43827: Jan 15, 2021 08:32:26 am
      We're promoting quorn to get money in that's how cash strapped we are ffs we can forget about signing a new player for a long time.

      Yes what is that sh*t about, #meatfreematchdays, might explain our recent performances, do they really think most fans are woke or give a sh*t about this???
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      Reply #43828: Jan 15, 2021 08:35:59 am
      As much as it is frustrating to see time pass without us getting someone I think the mistake was going into the season with 3 Cb's. As much as I love Klopp and respect him, him and all his staff are still just humans and do commit mistakes. If your plan B is playing a midfielder as a CB then there's a problem especially going into a season everybody was predicting as being one where a lot of players will get injured.

      If you add to this the fact that Matip is literally injured every two games or so and that everybody knows that he will be sidelined way more minutes than he will be available then playing Fab at the back isn't even worthy of the term ''Plan B''. It was literally a ''plan A 1/2''.

      We went into the season with 2.5 CB's(Matip counts as half due to contact injuries), that's more than a mistake its criminally negligent, to then compound that error by not signing someone in January is simply astonishing to the point where you start wondering if they actually want further success, by they I'm referring to whoever it is who is blocking the purchase of another CB, be it the owners or Klopp himself.
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      Reply #43829: Jan 15, 2021 10:46:34 am
      Yes what is that sh*t about, #meatfreematchdays, might explain our recent performances, do they really think most fans are woke or give a sh*t about this???


      Hendo did not look impressed to be involved in that. I'm all for sustainability but don't be shoving quorn down people's throats that stuff is rotten.
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      Reply #43830: Jan 15, 2021 02:06:10 pm
      Think we will get lad from Madrid Milatio
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      Reply #43831: Jan 15, 2021 02:11:56 pm
      Think we will get lad from Madrid Milatio
      Probably gonna beat to it by Bayern
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      Reply #43832: Jan 15, 2021 02:19:50 pm
      Probably gonna beat to it by Bayern

      What do they need him for surely we need him more 😅
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      Reply #43833: Jan 15, 2021 02:43:07 pm
      What do they need him for surely we need him more 😅
      They are desperately in need of speed at the heart of their backline. Sule and Boateng are incredibly slow. Martinez who can also plug in there is incredibly slow. Basically their only pacy guy who can play CB is Alaba.  Militao, as far as I can remember from his Porto CL days, is quite pacy for a CB and still has potential for the future.   
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      Reply #43834: Jan 15, 2021 02:55:06 pm
      They are desperately in need of speed at the heart of their backline. Sule and Boateng are incredibly slow. Martinez who can also plug in there is incredibly slow. Basically their only pacy guy who can play CB is Alaba.  Militao, as far as I can remember from his Porto CL days, is quite pacy for a CB and still has potential for the future.

      I'd like to get their young CB Chris Richards.
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      Reply #43835: Jan 15, 2021 03:00:40 pm
      As much as it is frustrating to see time pass without us getting someone I think the mistake was going into the season with 3 Cb's. As much as I love Klopp and respect him, him and all his staff are still just humans and do commit mistakes. If your plan B is playing a midfielder as a CB then there's a problem especially going into a season everybody was predicting as being one where a lot of players will get injured.

      If you add to this the fact that Matip is literally injured every two games or so and that everybody knows that he will be sidelined way more minutes than he will be available then playing Fab at the back isn't even worthy of the term ''Plan B''. It was literally a ''plan A 1/2''.

      Fabinho playing CB appears to have been part of the plan from the beginning. Fabinho did an interview recently and said since the day he joined the club Klopp has had him train as CB. When you see how damn good he's been, anyone can see why. People may not like it and cause hissy fits, but Fabinho may be the best player at CB not named Van Dijk.

      You simply cannot plan for your 2 starting CB's to both have season-ending injuries only a couple weeks into the season. It's just very rare for it to happen.
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      Reply #43836: Jan 15, 2021 03:09:51 pm
      Fabinho playing CB appears to have been part of the plan from the beginning. Fabinho did an interview recently and said since the day he joined the club Klopp has had him train as CB. When you see how damn good he's been, anyone can see why. People may not like it and cause hissy fits, but Fabinho may be the best player at CB not named Van Dijk.

      You simply cannot plan for your 2 starting CB's to both have season-ending injuries only a couple weeks into the season. It's just very rare for it to happen.

      Obviously you can't plan for injuries, but you can try to fix or mitigate it in January, NO?
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      Reply #43837: Jan 16, 2021 11:20:07 am
      Fabinho playing CB appears to have been part of the plan from the beginning. Fabinho did an interview recently and said since the day he joined the club Klopp has had him train as CB. When you see how damn good he's been, anyone can see why. People may not like it and cause hissy fits, but Fabinho may be the best player at CB not named Van Dijk.

      He's been superb hasn't he, our best players so far this season in my opinion (with Robbo not far behind).

      I remain hopeful we will bring someone in BUT the club have usually done their business earlier in the window in previous years so it's a real cause for concern not to see any movement. Young Williams and Nat Phillips have both done ok but both of them are slow on the turn team) (not something you can get away with in a Klopp team) and it's bonkers to expect Henderson to pay there.

      I guess it's one of 4 scenarios

      - Klopp has confidence in Williams and sees a genuine future for the lad
      - We're just biding our time and Edwards is gong to bring someone in after all
      - We really are completely feckin skint and cant do a deal
      - Gomez and VVD are quietly making better progress than expected and the club think they will be both feature again this season
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      Reply #43838: Jan 16, 2021 11:45:43 am
      He's been superb hasn't he, our best players so far this season in my opinion (with Robbo not far behind).

      I remain hopeful we will bring someone in BUT the club have usually done their business earlier in the window in previous years so it's a real cause for concern not to see any movement. Young Williams and Nat Phillips have both done ok but both of them are slow on the turn team) (not something you can get away with in a Klopp team) and it's bonkers to expect Henderson to pay there.

      I guess it's one of 4 scenarios

      - Klopp has confidence in Williams and sees a genuine future for the lad
      - We're just biding our time and Edwards is gong to bring someone in after all
      - We really are completely feckin skint and cant do a deal
      - Gomez and VVD are quietly making better progress than expected and the club think they will be both feature again this season

      Both the young lads have been done for pace on the turn so the only way to compensate for this is to drop off but as we all know you don't do this in a Klopp team coz we play with a high line.
      The main tests will start with tomorrow against the likes of Rashford who has plenty of pace and if we go deeper into the champions league against better quality teams thats when we find out wether we are making a big mistake not getting another cb in.
      Time will tell personally i wouldn't gamble after seeing what happened vs west brom and villa. I hope it works for us whatever happens
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      Reply #43839: Jan 16, 2021 11:56:53 am
      Something radical not having any fit CB's in the the team, how much more f**king radical does it need to get for these fuckwits owners at the club????  I just cannot understand why we are not at least getting someone in on loan are we on the cusp of bankruptcy or something?

      ;D

      I dont think klopp wants a loan deal, or he doesnt fancy any of the loan guys available, maybe the options arnt any better than our young lads.
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      Reply #43840: Jan 16, 2021 12:51:12 pm
      Think we will get lad from Madrid Milatio

      Not watched this fella play but seem to remember he was hyped up a bit when at Porto.

      Think someone like him would be sensible on a loan with an option to buy. If he's decent we could sign him up, if not then send him back to Madrid and sign someone better in the summer.
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      Reply #43841: Jan 16, 2021 01:20:29 pm
      ;D

      I dont think klopp wants a loan deal, or he doesnt fancy any of the loan guys available, maybe the options arnt any better than our young lads.

      That simply can't be true, I refuse to believe that there is not a better option than Ryhs and Nat available somewhere in the world. Don't get me wrong they've both done a decent job but lets be honest, they are no where near the level we need.
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      Reply #43842: Jan 16, 2021 02:26:19 pm
      Not watched this fella play but seem to remember he was hyped up a bit when at Porto.

      Think someone like him would be sensible on a loan with an option to buy. If he's decent we could sign him up, if not then send him back to Madrid and sign someone better in the summer.

      Not sure if you can remember he played against us in  champs league qtrs I think was their best player by a mile very quick
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      Reply #43843: Jan 16, 2021 02:28:21 pm
      He's been superb hasn't he, our best players so far this season in my opinion (with Robbo not far behind).

      I remain hopeful we will bring someone in BUT the club have usually done their business earlier in the window in previous years so it's a real cause for concern not to see any movement. Young Williams and Nat Phillips have both done ok but both of them are slow on the turn team) (not something you can get away with in a Klopp team) and it's bonkers to expect Henderson to pay there.

      I guess it's one of 4 scenarios

      - Klopp has confidence in Williams and sees a genuine future for the lad
      - We're just biding our time and Edwards is gong to bring someone in after all
      - We really are completely feckin skint and cant do a deal
      - Gomez and VVD are quietly making better progress than expected and the club think they will be both feature again this season

      Option 2 and 4 I think . Not sure about Joe but I reckon VVD will make it problem is what damage would of been done in between then .
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      Reply #43844: Jan 17, 2021 03:34:11 pm
      He's been superb hasn't he, our best players so far this season in my opinion (with Robbo not far behind).

      I remain hopeful we will bring someone in BUT the club have usually done their business earlier in the window in previous years so it's a real cause for concern not to see any movement. Young Williams and Nat Phillips have both done ok but both of them are slow on the turn team) (not something you can get away with in a Klopp team) and it's bonkers to expect Henderson to pay there.

      I guess it's one of 4 scenarios

      - Klopp has confidence in Williams and sees a genuine future for the lad
      - We're just biding our time and Edwards is gong to bring someone in after all
      - We really are completely feckin skint and cant do a deal
      - Gomez and VVD are quietly making better progress than expected and the club think they will be both feature again this season



      Well it looks like we're either skint or the bosses are there usual skinflint selves
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      Reply #43845: Jan 17, 2021 08:47:14 pm
      We have a clear goalscoring problem that is, in my opinion, a direct consequence of how deep we have to sit (especially the midfielders) in order to compensate for VVD's absence. His absence is even bigger than what most of us anticipated. A lot of the blame is currently being laid on the front three yet when I watch the games, all I see is 3 desperately isolated players who are dealing with defenders doubling and tripling up on them. The only creativity I see is the quality pass or two from deep from Thiago and the crosses from the full-back. I don't think I am surprising anybody here by saying that none of our front three is built to receive and pounce on crosses. This usually works because our midfield is pressing super high and pounces on the 2nd and 3rd balls either by being a scoring position themselves or passing it back to the front 3 while the opposition's defence is out of shape (counter of the counter). They can do that because of the crazy tactical awareness of VVD in how he positions himself and Joe + the sheer amount of yards these two can cover in a matter of seconds running back. Now of course this does not excuse the fact that the 3 guys upfront need to be much sharper (it would've made the difference in more than a couple of our recent games) but the truth is that they are desperately underfed.

      Are we actually better off going for somebody that can come and slot in at the back or are we better off operating some sort of change in our tactics to allocate more players upfront (something like a 4-2-3-1 with Shaq in the 10 and more options once Jota is back)?

      I ask this question because if my theory is correct (which is a big if as I don't pretend to be a tactical expert of some sort) most of our offensive woes are the result of the huge tactical hole VVD leaves behind in his prolonged absence then what are the chances, in January, that we pick somebody with enough quality to patch such a hole? I mean I don't see Botman or Kabak coming in and just solving such a problem. Sure its one more able body who can play CB but does it even begin to address the problem mentioned above?

      I get that such a logic does not address the issues one might have with the quality of a Rhys or Phillips but I also can't say that neither of them has been sh*t. Rhys has impressed me most of the time he's been out there. Also, back to my point, our problem is not defensive in the sense of leaking goals. If you subtract the 7 goals conceded in the freak game against Villa (VVD was in that lineup too), we have 14 goals allowed, one more than the best defense in the league (City).
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      Reply #43846: Jan 17, 2021 09:02:09 pm
      We have a clear goalscoring problem that is, in my opinion, a direct consequence of how deep we have to sit (especially the midfielders) in order to compensate for VVD's absence. His absence is even bigger than what most of us anticipated. A lot of the blame is currently being laid on the front three yet when I watch the games, all I see is 3 desperately isolated players who are dealing with defenders doubling and tripling up on them. The only creativity I see is the quality pass or two from deep from Thiago and the crosses from the full-back. I don't think I am surprising anybody here by saying that none of our front three is built to receive and pounce on crosses. This usually works because our midfield is pressing super high and pounces on the 2nd and 3rd balls either by being a scoring position themselves or passing it back to the front 3 while the opposition's defence is out of shape (counter of the counter). They can do that because of the crazy tactical awareness of VVD in how he positions himself and Joe + the sheer amount of yards these two can cover in a matter of seconds running back. Now of course this does not excuse the fact that the 3 guys upfront need to be much sharper (it would've made the difference in more than a couple of our recent games) but the truth is that they are desperately underfed.

      Are we actually better off going for somebody that can come and slot in at the back or are we better off operating some sort of change in our tactics to allocate more players upfront (something like a 4-2-3-1 with Shaq in the 10 and more options once Jota is back)?

      I ask this question because if my theory is correct (which is a big if as I don't pretend to be a tactical expert of some sort) most of our offensive woes are the result of the huge tactical hole VVD leaves behind in his prolonged absence then what are the chances, in January, that we pick somebody with enough quality to patch such a hole? I mean I don't see Botman or Kabak coming in and just solving such a problem. Sure its one more able body who can play CB but does it even begin to address the problem mentioned above?

      I get that such a logic does not address the issues one might have with the quality of a Rhys or Phillips but I also can't say that neither of them has been sh*t. Rhys has impressed me most of the time he's been out there. Also, back to my point, our problem is not defensive in the sense of leaking goals. If you subtract the 7 goals conceded in the freak game against Villa (VVD was in that lineup too), we have 14 goals allowed, one more than the best defense in the league (City).


      Sorry but that is mostly bollocks, in the first 25 minutes today we had Man Utd pegged back, the midfield and defence playing lovely attractive football and creating plenty of openings for our forwards but they did absolutely f**k all with the chances, in that situation there is literally nothing you can do and you could see how dire it got that by the end you had Thiago take shots himself, and coming damn close to scoring actually.
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      Reply #43847: Jan 17, 2021 09:16:58 pm

      Sorry but that is mostly bollocks, in the first 25 minutes today we had Man Utd pegged back, the midfield and defence playing lovely attractive football and creating plenty of openings for our forwards but they did absolutely f**k all with the chances, in that situation there is literally nothing you can do and you could see how dire it got that by the end you had Thiago take shots himself, and coming damn close to scoring actually.

      We didn't create any real chances though did we couple of half openings
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      Reply #43848: Jan 17, 2021 09:20:57 pm

      Sorry but that is mostly bollocks, in the first 25 minutes today we had Man Utd pegged back, the midfield and defence playing lovely attractive football and creating plenty of openings for our forwards but they did absolutely f**k all with the chances, in that situation there is literally nothing you can do and you could see how dire it got that by the end you had Thiago take shots himself, and coming damn close to scoring actually.
      Apart from one time where Bobby should've passed instead of shooting (or maybe it was the opposite) I can't remember one clear cut chance any of the 3 forwards had all game long.

      Edit: You're mistaking giving the ball to Mane or Salah in the half space with the whole opposition defence already back and in position with a full-back and midfielder doubling on him for a chance. Also, its not because Mane or Salah manage to wiggle through 3 pairs of legs and take an improbable shot that it means we had a chance.

      Us: 17 shots (4 on target)

      UTD: 8 shots (4 on target)
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      Reply #43849: Jan 18, 2021 08:50:35 am
      We didn't create any real chances though did we couple of half openings

      I disagree, we actually created some decent chances, unfortunately most of them fell to Bobby, one in particular just needed Bobby to slot it either side of the keeper but he completely scuffed the shot, in several other situations the forwards were choosing to shoot rather than to pass, but to say we didn't have good situations/opportunities is not true.

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