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      Reply #36725: Jul 25, 2018 08:59:01 am
      So how many homegrown players to Citeh have in their squad then??

      Both your memory AND google not working for you today mate? I'll help you out this time. Although I'm unclear about the purpose of the "then" in your question. I'm guessing since there is no wink, this is not a funny, right?

      Kyle Walker, John Stones, Fabian Delph, and Raheem Sterling are the four senior homegrown players they'll use to make their List A. Phil Foden, Brahim Diaz, Lukas Nmecha, and Ari Muric will likely be the only clubgrown/List B players Pep may call upon or add to his bench.

      You're welcome.
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      Reply #36726: Jul 25, 2018 09:11:17 am
      I doubt Spain or Germany are going to do 120K + week in wages are they?
      Your joking... for Clubs Like Real, Barca that would be considered low money wise, Not saying that Real or Barca would sign him.There are other clubs in Spain that could pay that, and remember life is cheaper out there, so something like 80/80 euros a week would be like getting the 120k a week here

      But that's the point. who said that he would be demanding that sort of money...?

      So a year down the line D.S. leaves on a free never to play football again because no team will pay him the 120K p.w.  he wants...? Yeah like that will happen

      He would have to sign a contract with a new club and agree wages with them (terms), But that should not be our concern

      Edit:.. If he wants that kind of money and no one in Europe is willing to play it then Qatar, China, and the States are options that are available to him
      « Last Edit: Jul 25, 2018 09:21:06 am by The Real Donavan Ried »
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      Reply #36727: Jul 25, 2018 09:12:05 am
      Both your memory AND google not working for you today mate? I'll help you out this time. Although I'm unclear about the purpose of the "then" in your question. I'm guessing since there is no wink, this is not a funny, right?

      Kyle Walker, John Stones, Fabian Delph, and Raheem Sterling are the four senior homegrown players they'll use to make their List A. Phil Foden, Brahim Diaz, Lukas Nmecha, and Ari Muric will likely be the only clubgrown/List B players Pep may call upon or add to his bench.

      You're welcome.

      Sorry I was mixing up homegrown with club grown, so is it just a case of having 4 "club grown" players somewhere in the squad even though they'll probably never get any game time or do they actually need to play as well?
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      Reply #36728: Jul 25, 2018 09:16:58 am
      Correct. And Daniel isn't going to take a pay cut for his final year.

      But he is looking and acting differently this preseason than before. Not to say he couldn't get injured. He broke down against Bayern Munich last preseason just as he was scoring a good goal, but Klopp apparently sees something different.

      You make it sound like he is going to retire after this season...

      So what does he do next season...? Hope that no one remembers that he is out of contract and that he can somehow stay at the club drawing his 120k + every week....?
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      Reply #36729: Jul 25, 2018 09:23:08 am
      Your joking... for Clubs Like Real, Barca that would be considered low money wise, Not saying that Real or Barca would sign him.There are other clubs in Spain that could pay that, and remember life is cheaper out there, so something like 80/80 euros a week would be like getting the 120k a week here

      But that's the point. who said that he would be demanding that sort of money...?

      So a year down the line D.S. leaves on a free never to play football again because no team will pay him the 120K p.w.  he wants...? Yeah like that will happen

      He would have to sign a contract with a new club and agree wages with them (terms), But that should not be our concern

      You're thinking about it the wrong way

      He's guaranteed 6m for the next season here..
      So he takes that and runs it down (probably still backing himself to earn a new deal because he may be settled and enjoy life at the club) next summer if he doesn't then he's a free and there will be demand for him no doubt about it with no fee or wage to match from a buying club.
      He will then be in a position to get a signing fee to cover the short fall in wages as the new club wouldn't have to pay a transfer fee

      If he moved this summer hypothetically then his options are small, if he moves next summer then they are far far larger

      As for the Spanish clubs... you know how their tv deals etc work over there? The clubs are free to sort them direct themselves and therefore beyond Barca and real (and then a drop off to Atleti) the rest get relative peanuts. For example Valencia have the 4th highest and they pay their players on average 35k a week. Beyond them it's an even bigger drop off

      So no he couldn't go to Spain and earn 80 plus.. he would likely be dropping two thirds of his wage now if he left to go there. Add that to the fee we would ask then he wouldn't get a signing fee to balance it

      Sturridge won't retire next summer there is no doubt about that and he will be in far far better position to either have had a good season here and earn a new deal or be in a bargaining position on a free to get a deal that suits him

      Forget this summer it makes no sense to him
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      Reply #36730: Jul 25, 2018 09:40:59 am
      Sorry I was mixing up homegrown with club grown, so is it just a case of having 4 "club grown" players somewhere in the squad even though they'll probably never get any game time or do they actually need to play as well?

      They don't need to play. Think of it this way perhaps. For CL you're looking to make up a 21 man squad which includes four homegrown senior players. Man City essentially play the competition with just this. You can also use as many of your U21s as you'd like who have been at your club for 2 or more years (I believe), which is often referred to as List B. For them, Foden and Diaz may feature off the bench, but with the signing of Mahrez (replacing Yaya Toure's registration slot), their featuring is unlikely to increase.

      You also have an extra 4 spots for clubgrown players to increase your List A to 25 players. A lot of big clubs don't have (m)any of these. This will be particularly handy when TAA and Gomez become older than 21, meaning we won't have to remove a foreign (or association grown) player from the other 21.

      Because when you get a couple injuries in between registration windows, and then back to back PL and CL games, it means we'll be able to rotate our squad better without needing to draw upon real fringe players.
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      Reply #36731: Jul 25, 2018 09:46:14 am
      You're thinking about it the wrong way

      He's guaranteed 6m for the next season here..
      So he takes that and runs it down (probably still backing himself to earn a new deal because he may be settled and enjoy life at the club) next summer if he doesn't then he's a free and there will be demand for him no doubt about it with no fee or wage to match from a buying club.
      He will then be in a position to get a signing fee to cover the short fall in wages as the new club wouldn't have to pay a transfer fee

      If he moved this summer hypothetically then his options are small, if he moves next summer then they are far far larger

      As for the Spanish clubs... you know how their tv deals etc work over there? The clubs are free to sort them direct themselves and therefore beyond Barca and real (and then a drop off to Atleti) the rest get relative peanuts. For example Valencia have the 4th highest and they pay their players on average 35k a week. Beyond them it's an even bigger drop off

      So no he couldn't go to Spain and earn 80 plus.. he would likely be dropping two thirds of his wage now if he left to go there. Add that to the fee we would ask then he wouldn't get a signing fee to balance it

      Sturridge won't retire next summer there is no doubt about that and he will be in far far better position to either have had a good season here and earn a new deal or be in a bargaining position on a free to get a deal that suits him

      Forget this summer it makes no sense to him

      Insightful post... You seem to know what you are talking about, so I will bow to your knowledge...
      Thank you...(not sarcasm meant)


      Edit... Just wanted that this maybe the right move for DS, But still the wrong move for Liverpool FC... But thank you still
      « Last Edit: Jul 25, 2018 02:10:43 pm by The Real Donavan Ried »
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      Reply #36732: Jul 25, 2018 09:58:39 am
      They don't need to play. Think of it this way perhaps. For CL you're looking to make up a 21 man squad which includes four homegrown senior players. Man City essentially play the competition with just this. You can also use as many of your U21s as you'd like who have been at your club for 2 or more years (I believe), which is often referred to as List B. For them, Foden and Diaz may feature off the bench, but with the signing of Mahrez (replacing Yaya Toure's registration slot), their featuring is unlikely to increase.

      You also have an extra 4 spots for clubgrown players to increase your List A to 25 players. A lot of big clubs don't have (m)any of these. This will be particularly handy when TAA and Gomez become older than 21, meaning we won't have to remove a foreign (or association grown) player from the other 21.

      Because when you get a couple injuries in between registration windows, and then back to back PL and CL games, it means we'll be able to rotate our squad better without needing to draw upon real fringe players.

      OK thanks, very interesting
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      Reply #36733: Jul 25, 2018 10:44:12 am
      Sturridge should be sold, his body language is awful and he is very selfish, will not help us at all. I'd rather give a chance to Woodburn or sign a young prospect (because Origi and Ings should be sold too).
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      Reply #36734: Jul 25, 2018 11:18:29 am
      Sturridge should be sold, his body language is awful and he is very selfish, will not help us at all. I'd rather give a chance to Woodburn or sign a young prospect (because Origi and Ings should be sold too).

      Imagine a striker being selfish. What’s this world coming to?
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      Reply #36735: Jul 25, 2018 11:41:21 am
      Sturridge should be sold, his body language is awful and he is very selfish, will not help us at all. I'd rather give a chance to Woodburn or sign a young prospect (because Origi and Ings should be sold too).

      Any chance you can back up what you have said with an example?

      This post sounds like it was written month's ago.
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      Reply #36736: Jul 25, 2018 02:56:09 pm
      Any chance you can back up what you have said with an example?

      This post sounds like it was written month's ago.

      But tbf stu have had these episodes where he looks hungry and good again. Then few games passes, his body language gets worse and he gets injured.
      I personally like him, because he is talented when he wants to and when he is fit but it's too far away.
      with origi and iings you get less talented strikers then stu but they play their heart out.

      Have to say it's time to let stu go before he gets injured again because it's gonna happen again. Just a matter of time.
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      Reply #36737: Jul 26, 2018 10:39:07 am
      Dortmund will sell Pulisic if they get an offer of £60 million.

      We would be INSANE not to bid for him.
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      Reply #36738: Jul 26, 2018 10:52:47 am
      Dortmund will sell Pulisic if they get an offer of £60 million.

      We would be INSANE not to bid for him.

      60m? Lots of reports were quoted saying Dortmund would ask for 100m euros.
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      Reply #36739: Jul 26, 2018 10:53:22 am
      Just read that bayern signed a 17 year old for 13.5 m from a MLS team. Don't know anything about the lad.
      got me curious, how good is MLS? Anybody watches it? Would you say it's as good as primeira liga (portogal). Which is decent imo.
      worse? Like our Norwegian league?
      or is it as good as the big guys. Premier, bunde, Ligue 1 etc?
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      Reply #36740: Jul 26, 2018 11:25:24 am
      Dortmund will sell Pulisic if they get an offer of £60 million.

      We would be INSANE not to bid for him.

      There’s no way they sell him for that, but yea we’d be foolish to wait 2 years and pay close to double that.
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      Reply #36741: Jul 26, 2018 11:26:10 am
      Just read that bayern signed a 17 year old for 13.5 m from a MLS team. Don't know anything about the lad.
      got me curious, how good is MLS? Anybody watches it? Would you say it's as good as primeira liga (portogal). Which is decent imo.
      worse? Like our Norwegian league?
      or is it as good as the big guys. Premier, bunde, Ligue 1 etc?
      The best MLS team could probably compete in the Championship but they wouldn’t get promotion. 
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      Reply #36742: Jul 26, 2018 11:57:58 am
      Just read that bayern signed a 17 year old for 13.5 m from a MLS team. Don't know anything about the lad.
      got me curious, how good is MLS? Anybody watches it? Would you say it's as good as primeira liga (portogal). Which is decent imo.
      worse? Like our Norwegian league?
      or is it as good as the big guys. Premier, bunde, Ligue 1 etc?

      Alphonso Davies is a Canadian, and he is super quick and skillful. Scary to think of what kind of player he might develop into now that he's at a club like Bayern.

      It's tough not to leave the MLS at that young an age and not be compared to Freddy Adu, but he's got some exceptional traits, and I'd take a punt on them, even at that price.

      Sadly, I think we're still a few years and trophies away from making these kinds of development signings.
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      Reply #36743: Jul 26, 2018 01:55:27 pm
      All over the Croatian papers that we've signed Vida for 20m Euros.

      Their source appears to be the sh*t rag though!
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      Reply #36744: Jul 26, 2018 02:24:23 pm
      Just read that bayern signed a 17 year old for 13.5 m from a MLS team. Don't know anything about the lad.
      got me curious, how good is MLS? Anybody watches it? Would you say it's as good as primeira liga (portogal). Which is decent imo.
      worse? Like our Norwegian league?
      or is it as good as the big guys. Premier, bunde, Ligue 1 etc?

      He is a bright star for our nation I was little disappointed to see him go to Bayern Munich as much prefer a mid-level club where competition isn't as stiff for playing time but if he can make it would be a great statement for Canadian football and for MLS who now seem to switch bit more focus on being developing and selling league (especially for South American players) then retirement league. I would say MLS quality wise would be 3rd tier European league or like mention top side would be a Championship level side.

      Still hoping we would sign a Striker/CAM after it appears the Ferik deal fell through but it doesn't seem that way, Klopp is banking on Lallana and Sturridge to fill in the void for the time being.
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      Reply #36745: Jul 26, 2018 04:24:30 pm
      You're thinking about it the wrong way

      He's guaranteed 6m for the next season here..
      So he takes that and runs it down (probably still backing himself to earn a new deal because he may be settled and enjoy life at the club) next summer if he doesn't then he's a free and there will be demand for him no doubt about it with no fee or wage to match from a buying club.
      He will then be in a position to get a signing fee to cover the short fall in wages as the new club wouldn't have to pay a transfer fee

      If he moved this summer hypothetically then his options are small, if he moves next summer then they are far far larger

      As for the Spanish clubs... you know how their tv deals etc work over there? The clubs are free to sort them direct themselves and therefore beyond Barca and real (and then a drop off to Atleti) the rest get relative peanuts. For example Valencia have the 4th highest and they pay their players on average 35k a week. Beyond them it's an even bigger drop off

      So no he couldn't go to Spain and earn 80 plus.. he would likely be dropping two thirds of his wage now if he left to go there. Add that to the fee we would ask then he wouldn't get a signing fee to balance it

      Sturridge won't retire next summer there is no doubt about that and he will be in far far better position to either have had a good season here and earn a new deal or be in a bargaining position on a free to get a deal that suits him

      Forget this summer it makes no sense to him

      Did you see the look on Klopp's face last night when Sturridge went down and it looked like he was calling for trainer? I thought Jürgen was about to go into shock. Turned out it was problem with his boots or shin guards and wanted an equipment manager to help him with a repair, I think. But the moment illustrated the risk we take, and the barrel we are over, when it comes to Sturridge this year. In the mean time, we hope for the best because as you articulately describe, he ain't going nowhere.
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      Reply #36746: Jul 26, 2018 04:29:11 pm
      Any chance you can back up what you have said with an example?

      This post sounds like it was written month's ago.

      Definitely doesn't describe Daniel off and on the pitch in the preseason thus far.

      Look, he has an arrogance about him I understand, but he is a highly social type, an extrovert. His luck with injuries over the past few seasons would tend to have an effect on anyone's morale and body language, wouldn't it? Seems to me he is applying himself, more fit, and saying all the right things re fitting into Klopp's setup. He has to have seen the results from last season, looked at his calendar and recognized with another year of maturity maybe he can adapt a little better and, armed with better conditioning, use his considerable skills to be part of something special.

      To me he's probably the most pleasant surprise of the preseason.
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      Reply #36747: Jul 26, 2018 04:31:53 pm
      60m? Lots of reports were quoted saying Dortmund would ask for 100m euros.

      I think your price tag is more accurate than the one on Twitter. It's at least 80, with all the American marketing aspects of it.

      Would be a nice addition, but I think we're done for the window.
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      Reply #36748: Jul 26, 2018 04:42:07 pm
      Just read that bayern signed a 17 year old for 13.5 m from a MLS team. Don't know anything about the lad.
      got me curious, how good is MLS? Anybody watches it? Would you say it's as good as primeira liga (portogal). Which is decent imo.
      worse? Like our Norwegian league?
      or is it as good as the big guys. Premier, bunde, Ligue 1 etc?

      I might rate it just slightly higher than FL Red does, but only slightly.

      Our best MLS teams probably could compete with Rosenborg or whoever for a title in Norway, but they would likely be low in the table of the top Portugese, Greek or Turkish divisions. And our bottom teams would struggle to be in the top flight of any of those second-tier European leagues, same with the Championship.

      The league hasn't done very well in terms of player development setup, and so a top young talent does well to move on to a European club, especially in Germany where the Reserves play in the third tier of the national league (wish we had that option in England).
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      Reply #36749: Jul 26, 2018 04:46:01 pm
      I think your price tag is more accurate than the one on Twitter. It's at least 80, with all the American marketing aspects of it.

      Would be a nice addition, but I think we're done for the window.


      So you think we'll end up with a profit in the transfer market again, because so far, if you factor in the money form Coutinho we've only actually spent £25m, then add in Ward which was £10m I think and its so far a net spend of £15m with more sales to come. Surely there is more money in the kitty but it does of course depend on if Jürgen wants to buy any more players, 4 new players is already quite a lot.

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