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      bazspeedman
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #36975: Aug 09, 2018 04:46:48 pm
      I disagree.

      Now if we signed a 10 but we still didn't have a keeper then I would agree with you that there are hardly any top class keepers who are available and who are affordable. We had to act on Alisson and we did.

      But in the 10 position I feel there are plenty. Usually in these situations a poster will say 'well tell us one then'. My shout would be Christian Eriksen. We're a bigger club than spurs. He's only on 70k a week. Only has 2 years left on his deal. In my opinion, we're in a better position than them and more of an exciting project. Spurs haven't brought anyone in and it's rumoured they're cash strapped because of the stadium. He's prem proven, at a great age, and I think he would fit right in and be a dream for us.  He plays RAM for Spurs but he's very familiar and comfortable in the 10 role.

      So that's my shout. I'm sure you will say he will cost a bomb or they won't sell to us but we don't know until we ask and I highly doubt he will cost more than what coutinho did either. So his fee should be used on a replacement.  The money we've spent on our transfers this summer was already there from years of negative net spends, tv deals and prize money from the CL.

      Even if people disagree with me on eriksen. There's still plenty of attacking mids scattered all around Europe. It's not a position that's difficult to sign players in.




       





      Eriksen?

      Yea let's go after Spurs second most prized asset he'll only cost us upwards of 100 million especially since Levy is such an easy negotiator.

      Actually while we're at it let's bid for Hazard as well say £250 mill should seal the deal sure he wants out of Chelsea anyway and he hardly wants Real over us?

      Sorry mate I prefer to discuss realistic targets. 

      And I disagree that "it's not a position that's difficult to sign players in".

      If it's so easy to find quality number 10s why was Coutinho the 3rd most expensive player of all time?
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #36976: Aug 09, 2018 05:42:24 pm
      How can it be a mistake not signing Fekir when he has a dodgy knee which could go on his debut game? We have to assume the Liverpool medical stuff know what they are doing and advised us not to proceed with this signing for a good reason.

      Sorry to disappoint but that can happen to any player on their first game.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #36977: Aug 09, 2018 05:49:42 pm
      LOL, solid contribution as always, tulling!

      How about pinpointing the areas you see as weakness, or did you not make it past the first sentence where I questioned the wisdom of piling on to much debt.

      I wrote a long post in reply, then I deleted it. You know why? Because it's like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon probably would jump on the chess board and shitt on the chess board then walk around like it won. You are that pigeon, I can't be bothered by teaching you anything. You can go around and think you just won a point on a internet forum.

      You know why people give pluss to the posts that insult you. It's because you talk so much shitt and majority of people don't bother to reply. The funny thing is that you see that as a victory.

      I have been here along time, and I tend to read more then I write because I like to read different opinions. Some opinions I agree with and some I don't.
      but yours are just strange, they don't make any sense. You are more into what owners are doing then the football itself. Now please f**k off and stop quoting me and put me on ignore list. Because you are on mine, tulling!
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #36978: Aug 09, 2018 06:02:08 pm
      Not signing Fekir might be a blessing in disguise.
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      Reply #36979: Aug 09, 2018 06:05:00 pm
      I get that, and pretty much how a lot of teams play (from what I seen last few seasons), from Napoli, Juventus, Real, Barca, City etc. But only difference is, we are usually utilizing more of our players when pressing/counter pressing and attacking.

      Ok, by fixed position, I meant more of the role played.  #6 for example, whether dropping between the CB's or playing further up and keeping the play ticking whilst being the main defensive cover etc. But that doesn't mean the 6 is rooted only to that, I get we will see him join up in attack or press if necessary.

      Okay, I think I get how you are interrupting what Klopp said. You don't see players in fixed/traditional roles where they only play to their roles set, but rather, they are fluid because they have more freedom to venture off, whether pressing/counter pressing or moving into or attacking space when opportunity arises rather than players can play anywhere they want in the area they are playing in?

      I think of it as Klopp's version of Total Football, except that the shape is of great importance in tactics, and funneling the opposition where Klopp wants them to go.
      Rarely will you see flat banks of players, instead they are staggered and/or on a slight diagonal, to push the opposition to where we want them to be.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #36980: Aug 09, 2018 06:49:38 pm
      Just hope European clubs can take Origi, Mignolet off our hands haven't got the money some expected not surprised really
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #36981: Aug 09, 2018 07:39:15 pm
      Not signing Fekir might be a blessing in disguise.

      In what way?

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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #36982: Aug 09, 2018 08:36:13 pm

      We are more balanced with Hendo-Keita-Fabinho in my opinion.
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      Reply #36983: Aug 10, 2018 02:35:17 am
      Eriksen?

      Yea let's go after Spurs second most prized asset he'll only cost us upwards of 100 million especially since Levy is such an easy negotiator.

      Actually while we're at it let's bid for Hazard as well say £250 mill should seal the deal sure he wants out of Chelsea anyway and he hardly wants Real over us?

      Sorry mate I prefer to discuss realistic targets. 

      And I disagree that "it's not a position that's difficult to sign players in".

      If it's so easy to find quality number 10s why was Coutinho the 3rd most expensive player of all time?

      So we get 140 for coutinho and in your opinion eriksen is worth 100m so what's the problem?  We get a boss replacement and a spare 40m. What's the issue?

      No idea why you randomly brought hazard into it either? Bizarre. And I've no idea what your last point means or why you've asked that question about coutinho?
       
      Coutinho cost 140m because he had just signed a five year deal so we had a lot security, he was our best player, the transfer occurred in January when it's a very difficult time to replace a player and especially one of his calibre, he's one of the best players in the world, a Brazilian international and the buying club was Barcelona.  That's why. Pretty basic stuff to be honest didn't think I'd have to explain something like that on a Liverpool forum.

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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #36984: Aug 10, 2018 08:46:54 am
      I wrote a long post in reply, then I deleted it. You know why? Because it's like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon probably would jump on the chess board and shitt on the chess board then walk around like it won. You are that pigeon, I can't be bothered by teaching you anything. You can go around and think you just won a point on a internet forum.

      You know why people give pluss to the posts that insult you. It's because you talk so much shitt and majority of people don't bother to reply. The funny thing is that you see that as a victory.

      I have been here along time, and I tend to read more then I write because I like to read different opinions. Some opinions I agree with and some I don't.
      but yours are just strange, they don't make any sense. You are more into what owners are doing then the football itself. Now please f**k off and stop quoting me and put me on ignore list. Because you are on mine, tulling!

      "Now please f**k off", LOL I think that might be textbook passive aggressive. I'd love to know what is so strange about my posts though, I was simply asking you to pinpoint where you thought we had weaknesses in the squad and also commenting that I don't think its wise to pile debt onto the club, genuinely curious what is strange about that from your viewpoint?

      Instead you type out a reply, probably realise you don't have a good counter argument and then change it to say "Nevermind", now that is a bit strange.
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      Reply #36985: Aug 10, 2018 08:53:21 am
      So we get 140 for coutinho and in your opinion eriksen is worth 100m so what's the problem?  We get a boss replacement and a spare 40m. What's the issue?

      No idea why you randomly brought hazard into it either? Bizarre. And I've no idea what your last point means or why you've asked that question about coutinho?
       
      Coutinho cost 140m because he had just signed a five year deal so we had a lot security, he was our best player, the transfer occurred in January when it's a very difficult time to replace a player and especially one of his calibre, he's one of the best players in the world, a Brazilian international and the buying club was Barcelona.  That's why. Pretty basic stuff to be honest didn't think I'd have to explain something like that on a Liverpool forum.



      So are you saying then that instead of getting VVD, Alisson, Keita, Fabinho and Shaquiri we should have spent the bulk of the money we got for Coutinho on a player position which we clearly don't really need and then scrambled around to fill the other areas with lower quality/cheaper players?
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      Reply #36986: Aug 10, 2018 09:17:29 am
      So we get 140 for coutinho and in your opinion eriksen is worth 100m so what's the problem?  We get a boss replacement and a spare 40m. What's the issue?

      No idea why you randomly brought hazard into it either? Bizarre. And I've no idea what your last point means or why you've asked that question about coutinho?
       
      Coutinho cost 140m because he had just signed a five year deal so we had a lot security, he was our best player, the transfer occurred in January when it's a very difficult time to replace a player and especially one of his calibre, he's one of the best players in the world, a Brazilian international and the buying club was Barcelona.  That's why. Pretty basic stuff to be honest didn't think I'd have to explain something like that on a Liverpool forum.



      I obviously brought Hazard into the equation as he is one of the very few elite number 10s in world football i.e. a legitimate Coutinho replacement.

      Do you actually understand your own arguments?

      And if you think spending over £100 million on Eriksen (which is what he would have cost us) over strengthening the squad as a whole then you are bonkers.

      We've had a great window strengthening the squad significantly without needing to replace Coutinho with an equally expensive number 10.

      Let's be happy about this.
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      Reply #36987: Aug 10, 2018 10:29:21 am
      I obviously brought Hazard into the equation as he is one of the very few elite number 10s in world football i.e. a legitimate Coutinho replacement.

      Do you actually understand your own arguments?

      And if you think spending over £100 million on Eriksen (which is what he would have cost us) over strengthening the squad as a whole then you are bonkers.

      We've had a great window strengthening the squad significantly without needing to replace Coutinho with an equally expensive number 10.

      Let's be happy about this.

      I understand my arguments perfectly fine, obviously. Do you understand yours?

      You're looking a bit daft here because you were saying Keita was a 10 yesterday and now you're saying hazard is. Then you ask me if I understand :lmao:.  Do you actually watch football mate? Neither of them are 10s.

      Hazard is not a number 10, doesn't play in the middle, and doesn't play in the midfield. We need somebody who can play as part of the midfield 3 but be the creative one from central positions. That's why we were signing fekir. Now I'll ask you again. Do you understand that??

      Hazard would be in the same discussion as Salah or Mane so bringing him into the mix was just random and pretty stupid. So we will move on from there.

      Ahh now we're getting somewhere. So in your opinion then we were on a budget and we used the coutinho money to strengthen 2 or 3 positions rather than go out and buy a like for like replacement? Interesting.

      I find it interesting because heimdall for example, the little weasel who I suspect is liking your posts, he tells us that the money is irrelevant and that our owners will back the manager regardless.

      In fact, several posters on here repeatedly state 'if we don't spend money or sign anybody else then that is jurgen klopps decision, not the owners'. But you think otherwise? Good. Me too.

      What annoys me though is, it shouldn't be a case of do we sign an expensive like for like number 10 for coutinho, or do we divide the money and bring in a keeper, a 6 and an 8.  It should be all four if we want. We've had years of negative net spends (what was klopps net before this summer?), we've got the tv deal money, we've got the prize money from getting to the final of the CL, and we've secured it again for this season. The money should be there.

      If you think spending 100m (figure is just randomly made up by you) on eriksen is poor business that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion and i understand it.  I was using him as an example anyway.

      But what I do know is, if we had Christian eriksen in our team going into this season we would be much, much stronger and as equally important, Spurs who are one of our rivals would be much, much weaker too.
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      Reply #36988: Aug 10, 2018 10:48:40 am
      So are you saying then that instead of getting VVD, Alisson, Keita, Fabinho and Shaquiri we should have spent the bulk of the money we got for Coutinho on a player position which we clearly don't really need and then scrambled around to fill the other areas with lower quality/cheaper players?

      Hang on. Do not contradict yourself.

      You told us last week the coutinho money wasn't used to sign the players you mentioned.

      You repeatedly tell us the owners will back the manager.

      I'm not saying that at all. But why don't we all be honest now and admit that the owners don't actually back our manager and he is working under restraints?
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      Reply #36989: Aug 10, 2018 11:56:22 am
      I understand my arguments perfectly fine, obviously. Do you understand yours?

      You're looking a bit daft here because you were saying Keita was a 10 yesterday and now you're saying hazard is. Then you ask me if I understand :lmao:.  Do you actually watch football mate? Neither of them are 10s.

      Hazard is not a number 10, doesn't play in the middle, and doesn't play in the midfield. We need somebody who can play as part of the midfield 3 but be the creative one from central positions. That's why we were signing fekir. Now I'll ask you again. Do you understand that??

      Hazard would be in the same discussion as Salah or Mane so bringing him into the mix was just random and pretty stupid. So we will move on from there.

      Ahh now we're getting somewhere. So in your opinion then we were on a budget and we used the coutinho money to strengthen 2 or 3 positions rather than go out and buy a like for like replacement? Interesting.

      I find it interesting because heimdall for example, the little weasel who I suspect is liking your posts, he tells us that the money is irrelevant and that our owners will back the manager regardless.

      In fact, several posters on here repeatedly state 'if we don't spend money or sign anybody else then that is jurgen klopps decision, not the owners'. But you think otherwise? Good. Me too.

      What annoys me though is, it shouldn't be a case of do we sign an expensive like for like number 10 for coutinho, or do we divide the money and bring in a keeper, a 6 and an 8.  It should be all four if we want. We've had years of negative net spends (what was klopps net before this summer?), we've got the tv deal money, we've got the prize money from getting to the final of the CL, and we've secured it again for this season. The money should be there.

      If you think spending 100m (figure is just randomly made up by you) on eriksen is poor business that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion and i understand it.  I was using him as an example anyway.

      But what I do know is, if we had Christian eriksen in our team going into this season we would be much, much stronger and as equally important, Spurs who are one of our rivals would be much, much weaker too.

      Out of interest how much money do you think are in the coffers available for transfers, is it some infinite amount on a par with PSG and Citeh, because I'm sorry to disappoint you it really really isn't. We've just spent about £110m net in January and summer transfer windows, that is a considerable investment so no there wasn't an extra £100m available for a position that is NOT even critical.

      BTW stop with the childish insults, you  do occasionally make some reasonable arguments in your posts but it gets lost if you act like a child and hurl insults.
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      Reply #36990: Aug 10, 2018 12:38:21 pm
      Out of interest how much money do you think are in the coffers available for transfers, is it some infinite amount on a par with PSG and Citeh, because I'm sorry to disappoint you it really really isn't. We've just spent about £110m net in January and summer transfer windows, that is a considerable investment so no there wasn't an extra £100m available for a position that is NOT even critical.

      BTW stop with the childish insults, you  do occasionally make some reasonable arguments in your posts but it gets lost if you act like a child and hurl insults.

      Can you be clear with your posts.

      Last week you said the owners back the manager. Now you're suggesting we have no money. Which one is it?

      That's net spend this year. What about the previous two? What about Brendan's and Kennys? In their 8 years what actually is their net spend? And then why don't you tell me what the club has earned during that time? So why don't you tell me THEN that there's no money in the pot? I know there is. It's you who obviously has no idea so why don't YOU do some research.

      You're a walking contradiction.

      Oh. And if it's not a position we need a player in why was klopp desperate to sign fekir? It's quite obvious we have little creativeness in the middle of the park and it could bite us next season. Just because heimdall on lfcreds disagrees doesn't mean it's not true.
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      Reply #36991: Aug 10, 2018 12:43:59 pm
      I understand my arguments perfectly fine, obviously. Do you understand yours?

      You're looking a bit daft here because you were saying Keita was a 10 yesterday and now you're saying hazard is. Then you ask me if I understand :lmao:.  Do you actually watch football mate? Neither of them are 10s.

      Hazard is not a number 10, doesn't play in the middle, and doesn't play in the midfield. We need somebody who can play as part of the midfield 3 but be the creative one from central positions. That's why we were signing fekir. Now I'll ask you again. Do you understand that??

      Hazard would be in the same discussion as Salah or Mane so bringing him into the mix was just random and pretty stupid. So we will move on from there.

      Ahh now we're getting somewhere. So in your opinion then we were on a budget and we used the coutinho money to strengthen 2 or 3 positions rather than go out and buy a like for like replacement? Interesting.

      I find it interesting because heimdall for example, the little weasel who I suspect is liking your posts, he tells us that the money is irrelevant and that our owners will back the manager regardless.

      In fact, several posters on here repeatedly state 'if we don't spend money or sign anybody else then that is jurgen klopps decision, not the owners'. But you think otherwise? Good. Me too.

      What annoys me though is, it shouldn't be a case of do we sign an expensive like for like number 10 for coutinho, or do we divide the money and bring in a keeper, a 6 and an 8.  It should be all four if we want. We've had years of negative net spends (what was klopps net before this summer?), we've got the tv deal money, we've got the prize money from getting to the final of the CL, and we've secured it again for this season. The money should be there.

      If you think spending 100m (figure is just randomly made up by you) on eriksen is poor business that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion and i understand it.  I was using him as an example anyway.

      But what I do know is, if we had Christian eriksen in our team going into this season we would be much, much stronger and as equally important, Spurs who are one of our rivals would be much, much weaker too.

      Oh wow are you actually serious???

      So you're saying Coutinho played as a central attacking midfielder for us in his last three seasons and not on the left?

      And you're saying Hazard hasn't played as a central attacking midfielder for Chelsea the last two seasons?

      Wow you are clueless.

      This argument is over.
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      Reply #36992: Aug 10, 2018 01:03:21 pm
      Oh wow are you actually serious???

      So you're saying Coutinho played as a central attacking midfielder for us in his last three seasons and not on the left?

      And you're saying Hazard hasn't played as a central attacking midfielder for Chelsea the last two seasons?

      Wow you are clueless.

      This argument is over.

      I've already said coutinho was wasted on the left at times for us.

      He played in the middle plenty of times with klopp. Certainly did when we had a full strength team and then he was used on the left occasionally when we had injuries etc. When salah, Mane and Bobby were fit, where was Coutinho? On the bench?

      Klopp quite clearly had a long term plan of playing coutinho behind our front three in the middle. Are you suggesting otherwise? Are you telling me coutinho would have been on the bench and that we would have carried on playing Hendo Milner and gini as the three then?

      Why did klopp want fekir this summer? To sit on the bench too?

      And I've no idea what you're on about lad. Hazard, for 95% of his career has played as part of the front three on the left. He has, very rarely, played in the 10 (usually when tactics change during the game) but it's been more of a second striker rather than an actual '10'.

      We need somebody to play in the midfield three but be the more advanced and support our attack. Hazard does not, and never has done, that role before.

      But yeah. I'm clueless. Good one mate  :lmao:








       
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      Reply #36993: Aug 10, 2018 01:30:10 pm
      I've already said coutinho was wasted on the left at times for us.

      He played in the middle plenty of times with klopp. Certainly did when we had a full strength team and then he was used on the left occasionally when we had injuries etc. When salah, Mane and Bobby were fit, where was Coutinho? On the bench?

      Klopp quite clearly had a long term plan of playing coutinho behind our front three in the middle. Are you suggesting otherwise? Are you telling me coutinho would have been on the bench and that we would have carried on playing Hendo Milner and gini as the three then?

      Why did klopp want fekir this summer? To sit on the bench too?

      And I've no idea what you're on about lad. Hazard, for 95% of his career has played as part of the front three on the left. He has, very rarely, played in the 10 (usually when tactics change during the game) but it's been more of a second striker rather than an actual '10'.

      We need somebody to play in the midfield three but be the more advanced and support our attack. Hazard does not, and never has done, that role before.

      But yeah. I'm clueless. Good one mate  :lmao:








       

      In the last two season Coutinho played twice as much on the left and Hazard twice as much centrally. They are both attacking creative midfielders who can interchange positions hence they are comparable which was my point to begin with.

      Fekir is also a versatile AM who can play centrally or on the right. Klopp wants versatile players who can interchange positions, not rigid. Hence we have signed Shaqiri and I expect Lallana to play the role this season also.

      I wouldn't get so fixated on us signing a dedicated number 10 as Klopps system is fluid so it's not a necessity.
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      Reply #36994: Aug 10, 2018 01:38:13 pm
      Can you be clear with your posts.

      Last week you said the owners back the manager. Now you're suggesting we have no money. Which one is it?

      That's net spend this year. What about the previous two? What about Brendan's and Kennys? In their 8 years what actually is their net spend? And then why don't you tell me what the club has earned during that time? So why don't you tell me THEN that there's no money in the pot? I know there is. It's you who obviously has no idea so why don't YOU do some research.

      You're a walking contradiction.

      Oh. And if it's not a position we need a player in why was klopp desperate to sign fekir? It's quite obvious we have little creativeness in the middle of the park and it could bite us next season. Just because heimdall on lfcreds disagrees doesn't mean it's not true.

      Oh dear, I praise your posts and then they descend into farce.

      Yes the owners have backed Klopp, no they don't have infinite amounts of money to give him, is that clear enough for you?

      I believe the net spend from FSG averaged over 8 years before this summer was about £20m per year, which I agree is not much, but it seems they have finally realised that and started to invest now, as evidenced by the fact that we have spent £100m NET in the last 2 windows.

      Not sure where you see the contradiction, I think its more a case of you not being to follow your arguments along a logical path.

      IF Klopp was so desperate to sign Fekir and IF there is an abundance of #10's available in the market, according to you, then it does seem very odd that he didn't go for another target, don't you think.
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      Reply #36995: Aug 10, 2018 01:47:41 pm
      In the last two season Coutinho played twice as much on the left and Hazard twice as much centrally. They are both attacking creative midfielders who can interchange positions hence they are comparable which was my point to begin with.

      Fekir is also a versatile AM who can play centrally or on the right. Klopp wants versatile players who can interchange positions, not rigid. Hence we have signed Shaqiri and I expect Lallana to play the role this season also.

      I wouldn't get so fixated on us signing a dedicated number 10 as Klopps system is fluid so it's not a necessity.

      I don't think you understand the type of player we're lacking and the type of player klopp wanted/needs. Your posts suggest you don't.

      Hazard makes no sense. We've got Mane, Salah and Shaqiri. I've no idea why you've brought him into the discussion. He is not the type of player we need or what we're short on.

      I asked you and you ignored me. When the Fab Four would play, where would coutinho be? I'm not denying he was used on the left on some occasions. But when we had a full strength side out, where would coutinho be?

      Likewise, klopp wanted to sign fekir. So same question. If we had a full strength side out, where do you think fekir was going to play?

      We are lacking that player who can play as part of the midfield three but be the top of the triangle. We have Lallana, and personally I rate Lallana, but his injury problems are a big concern.

      Yes you're right. Versatile is key to how we play. We all interchange. Its great. But we still sign specific players who play in specific roles who have specific talents. If we didn't, why don't we just play James Milner in the 10 then who's the most versatile player we have?

      So actually, it is important that we sign a 'number 10'.
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      Reply #36996: Aug 10, 2018 01:49:52 pm
      Oh dear, I praise your posts and then they descend into farce.

      Yes the owners have backed Klopp, no they don't have infinite amounts of money to give him, is that clear enough for you?

      I believe the net spend from FSG averaged over 8 years before this summer was about £20m per year, which I agree is not much, but it seems they have finally realised that and started to invest now, as evidenced by the fact that we have spent £100m NET in the last 2 windows.

      Not sure where you see the contradiction, I think its more a case of you not being to follow your arguments along a logical path.

      IF Klopp was so desperate to sign Fekir and IF there is an abundance of #10's available in the market, according to you, then it does seem very odd that he didn't go for another target, don't you think.

      Can't be arsed replying to your post other than the final paragraph and yes it is very odd. Something I've been saying for weeks on here.

      It's very odd he was that desperate for a CAM he was prepared to spend 50m on one but according to you it's a position we don't even need. Very odd indeed.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #36997: Aug 10, 2018 01:57:02 pm
      I don't think you understand the type of player we're lacking and the type of player klopp wanted/needs. Your posts suggest you don't.

      Hazard makes no sense. We've got Mane, Salah and Shaqiri. I've no idea why you've brought him into the discussion. He is not the type of player we need or what we're short on.

      I asked you and you ignored me. When the Fab Four would play, where would coutinho be? I'm not denying he was used on the left on some occasions. But when we had a full strength side out, where would coutinho be?

      Likewise, klopp wanted to sign fekir. So same question. If we had a full strength side out, where do you think fekir was going to play?

      We are lacking that player who can play as part of the midfield three but be the top of the triangle. We have Lallana, and personally I rate Lallana, but his injury problems are a big concern.

      Yes you're right. Versatile is key to how we play. We all interchange. Its great. But we still sign specific players who play in specific roles who have specific talents. If we didn't, why don't we just play James Milner in the 10 then who's the most versatile player we have?

      So actually, it is important that we sign a 'number 10'.


      How about an alternative to a playmaker? A player in the mould of Lampard? Surely with the players we have in Salah, Mane, Shaqiri, Firmino, Keita and our full backs, that Lampard type of player would be capable of reaching double figures?
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #36998: Aug 10, 2018 02:11:20 pm
      Replacement for Coutinho isn't a priority. Coutinho was effective in some situations but it's better to have an all rounded midfielder in most games. Somebody with a mix of attacking and defending. Coutinho lacks a defensive game to be a reasonable attacking player. He scores spectacular goals but doesn't do enough overall.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #36999: Aug 10, 2018 02:23:24 pm
      How about an alternative to a playmaker? A player in the mould of Lampard? Surely with the players we have in Salah, Mane, Shaqiri, Firmino, Keita and our full backs, that Lampard type of player would be capable of reaching double figures?

      Tough to say. Would Fabinho, Keita and lampard have the right balance? I'm not so sure.

      Lampards strength was getting into the box and hanging around the edge for example. Keita can do that as the 8.

      For me, a midfield three of Fabinho Keita and fekir would have much more balance and we would be a much stronger side. You may disagree?

      We all know how explosive we are and how good our attack is but we will at some point come up against stubborn sides who are keeping us out. That's when you need somebody on the ball who's got bags of quality. Somebody like kdb or silva who played in the middle for city last season and why they unlock teams with relative ease.

      That's something we're missing. Lampard, as good as he was, wasn't that kind of player. So I think it's important we get a playmaker in personally.

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