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      heimdall
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #39652: Jun 20, 2019 03:58:45 pm
      Correct.  They also had arguably their best player (KDB) out injured for over half the season.  They are absolutely stacked with talent in reserve. 

      The problem is, they got this way by spending roughly 4x more than us on transfers in the last 10 years (net transfer spend).  They are also able to keep world class squad players happy because they pay upwards of 3x higher wages than we do.  We can't compete with them in that sense....

      Are the citeh wages that much higher than ours, are you sure about that? I'm not talking about in total but on average, does anyone have any stats on that?
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      Reply #39653: Jun 20, 2019 04:39:57 pm
      Well its a good question and proves my point about rotation. Almost all their player play a key part in their season, but if I had to define any of them as "bench" players then I'd probably say Mahrez, Jesus and Sane, but all three of them played plenty of minutes/games.

      Somebody, Swab maybe, pointed out before that everybody for them played plenty of games, but our stats show not as much rotation up front (more in midfield). But I'm not convinced it proves your point that we "need" to do this. When Origi was called upon in big games, he delivered. You can argue about the domestic cup losses, but not about the league with just a one point difference.

      There's also a very real case of doing it with team chemistry vs. Overloading with hired guns. Part.of why City's atmosphere is the way it is. I know which one i'd rather have.
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      Reply #39654: Jun 20, 2019 05:06:53 pm
      Are the citeh wages that much higher than ours, are you sure about that? I'm not talking about in total but on average, does anyone have any stats on that?

      Wages taken from various sites, and I think I may be missing some players for City.

      Ederson                £65,000   
      Claudio Bravo       £80,000
      Vincent Kompany   Â£120,000   
      Nicolas Otamendi   Â£120,000   
      John Stones       £100,000   
      Benjamin Mendy    £90,000 
      Kyle Walker        £100,000   
      Danilo                   Â£80,000   
      Aymeric Laporte     Â£65,000   
      Fernandinho       £150,000
      Fabian Delph        £90,000   
      Rahim Sterling       £180,000   
      Ilkay Gündogan       £120,000   
      David Silva        £220,000   
      Bernando Silva       £120,000
      Riyad Mahrez        £120,000
      Kevin De Bruyne    £350,000
      Sergio Agüero        £250,000
      Gabriel Jesus        £90,000   
      Leroy Sané       £90,000

      Total: 26m

      Alisson                    £120,000
      Simon Mignolet           £60,000
      Virgil Van Dijk           £150,000
      Joel Matip                   £70,000   
      Dejan Lovren           £90,000   
      Joe Gomez            £30,000   
      Andrew Robertson    Â£50,000   
      Alberto Moreno           £40,000
      Nathaniel Clyne      Â£70,000
      T.Alexander-Arnold     Â£50,000
      Fabinho                    £100,000
      Georginio Wijnaldum    Â£90,000
      Jordan Henderson   Â£100,000    
      James Milner           £120,000   
      Oxlade-Chamberlain   Â£90,000   
      Naby Keïta            £120,000
      Adam Lallana       Â£65,000   
      Sadio Mané       Â£90,000   
      Mohamed Salah     Â£200,000
      Xherdan Shaqiri    Â£90,000
      Roberto Firmino    Â£180,000
      Daniel Sturridge      Â£120,000

      Total: 20m
      « Last Edit: Jun 20, 2019 05:16:44 pm by PurpleMonkey »
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      Reply #39655: Jun 20, 2019 06:15:14 pm
      Sounds like Camacho has a bit of a jackass for an agent, playing hardball about where he wants to go and not signing a renewal. Shame to see when you spend years developing a player, but greed will do that
      That reduces by one the number of options we have for producing our own attacking depth.

      I look forward to seeing Brewster actually play with the first team in preseason to see if he is an option.

      I think Klopp is very high on Brewster and suspect he will step in to replace Studge. But I also think we need another genuine attacking option. City went and bought Mahrez last season and whilst he wasn’t amazing he certainly contributed and will probably play a role again next season
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      Reply #39656: Jun 20, 2019 08:24:26 pm
      I can understand why a lot of people are dismissing us going after another midfielder given we have Ox, Hendo, Fab, Gini, Keita and Milner. But with Ox being quite injury prone and there being a chance that Milner will be our covering LB next season, I think we could still be lacking. Keita was looking good before the injury and Hendo was getting more involved with creativity in his new role but you look at City and I still feel they have creativity and goal threat over us in the midfield.

      They have Fernandinho, Gündogan, Foden, KDB and David Silva who play midfield, as well as Bernardo Silva playing there at times but are still going for Rodri.

      IMO we are just still lacking that edge from midfield but yet there’s nothing about City being overloaded in that position and it’s only going to be stronger with Rodri.

      Hope the talk of Fernandes is true because he could add so much to our side and give us that extra bit of edge to the midfield.
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      Reply #39657: Jun 21, 2019 12:30:46 am
      Wages taken from various sites, and I think I may be missing some players for City.

      Ederson                £65,000   
      Claudio Bravo       £80,000
      Vincent Kompany   Â£120,000   
      Nicolas Otamendi   Â£120,000   
      John Stones       £100,000   
      Benjamin Mendy    £90,000 
      Kyle Walker        £100,000   
      Danilo                   Â£80,000   
      Aymeric Laporte     Â£65,000   
      Fernandinho       £150,000
      Fabian Delph        £90,000   
      Rahim Sterling       £180,000   
      Ilkay Gündogan       £120,000   
      David Silva        £220,000   
      Bernando Silva       £120,000
      Riyad Mahrez        £120,000
      Kevin De Bruyne    £350,000
      Sergio Agüero        £250,000
      Gabriel Jesus        £90,000   
      Leroy Sané       £90,000

      Total: 26m

      Alisson                    £120,000
      Simon Mignolet           £60,000
      Virgil Van Dijk           £150,000
      Joel Matip                   £70,000   
      Dejan Lovren           £90,000   
      Joe Gomez            £30,000   
      Andrew Robertson    Â£50,000   
      Alberto Moreno           £40,000
      Nathaniel Clyne      Â£70,000
      T.Alexander-Arnold     Â£50,000
      Fabinho                    £100,000
      Georginio Wijnaldum    Â£90,000
      Jordan Henderson   Â£100,000    
      James Milner           £120,000   
      Oxlade-Chamberlain   Â£90,000   
      Naby Keïta            £120,000
      Adam Lallana       Â£65,000   
      Sadio Mané       Â£90,000   
      Mohamed Salah     Â£200,000
      Xherdan Shaqiri    Â£90,000
      Roberto Firmino    Â£180,000
      Daniel Sturridge      Â£120,000

      Total: 20m

      Thanks, not a huge difference then.
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      Reply #39658: Jun 21, 2019 02:23:52 am
      Thanks, not a huge difference then.

      Yeah, nothing like 3 or 4x the wages.

      I saw a guy tonight for Japan, 22-year old Koji Miyoshi. I'd love to see us  move for him. He'd be willing to begin as a backup, very quick, skilled and seems to have a great attitude. He would make a great Klopp project.

      Probably too much from out of nowhere, but after tonight's Copa America match, I wouldn't be shocked to see him somewhere in Europe next season.
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      Reply #39659: Jun 21, 2019 06:47:34 am
      Wages taken from various sites, and I think I may be missing some players for City.

      Ederson                £65,000   
      Claudio Bravo       £80,000
      Vincent Kompany   Â£120,000   
      Nicolas Otamendi   Â£120,000   
      John Stones       £100,000   
      Benjamin Mendy    £90,000 
      Kyle Walker        £100,000   
      Danilo                   Â£80,000   
      Aymeric Laporte     Â£65,000   
      Fernandinho       £150,000
      Fabian Delph        £90,000   
      Rahim Sterling       £180,000   
      Ilkay Gündogan       £120,000   
      David Silva        £220,000   
      Bernando Silva       £120,000
      Riyad Mahrez        £120,000
      Kevin De Bruyne    £350,000
      Sergio Agüero        £250,000
      Gabriel Jesus        £90,000   
      Leroy Sané       £90,000

      Total: 26m

      Alisson                    £120,000
      Simon Mignolet           £60,000
      Virgil Van Dijk           £150,000
      Joel Matip                   £70,000   
      Dejan Lovren           £90,000   
      Joe Gomez            £30,000   
      Andrew Robertson    Â£50,000   
      Alberto Moreno           £40,000
      Nathaniel Clyne      Â£70,000
      T.Alexander-Arnold     Â£50,000
      Fabinho                    £100,000
      Georginio Wijnaldum    Â£90,000
      Jordan Henderson   Â£100,000    
      James Milner           £120,000   
      Oxlade-Chamberlain   Â£90,000   
      Naby Keïta            £120,000
      Adam Lallana       Â£65,000   
      Sadio Mané       Â£90,000   
      Mohamed Salah     Â£200,000
      Xherdan Shaqiri    Â£90,000
      Roberto Firmino    Â£180,000
      Daniel Sturridge      Â£120,000

      Total: 20m
      It was out earlier that Pelligrini had two kinds of wages from Etihad, to reduce the wage bill of City as a club. Wouldn't be surprised if these players also have something similar. Could be another reason why no other clubs come to buy City stars.
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      Reply #39660: Jun 21, 2019 01:27:21 pm
      Thanks, not a huge difference then.

      I am missing Foden and Zinchenko, but also, didn't Sterling sign a new contract during the season?

      And it's not 26m and 20m (I am sure you figured it out), rather £2.6m and £2.0m p/w, my mistake, sorry :D
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      Reply #39661: Jun 21, 2019 03:43:29 pm
      Does anyone really give a flying F**k about city's wages in the bullshit rumors thread,F***ing summer holidays huh!
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      Reply #39662: Jun 21, 2019 04:00:54 pm
      Does anyone really give a flying f**k about city's wages in the bullshit rumors thread,f**king summer holidays huh!

      yes because someone was making a point about Citeh paying loads more in wages and we can't possibly match it, so it is kind of relevant to prove that that isn't really the case and like Citeh, we could and should get one more top forward to rotate into our existing three and provide good cover.
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      Reply #39663: Jun 21, 2019 04:25:15 pm
      It was out earlier that Pelligrini had two kinds of wages from Etihad, to reduce the wage bill of City as a club. Wouldn't be surprised if these players also have something similar. Could be another reason why no other clubs come to buy City stars.

      I would not be surprised if they are cooking the books somehow to show lower wages. I have a hard time believing that Ederson is happy making basically what we pay Migs as backup, 15k less than his own backup and about half that of Alisson. Just like it's hard to believe that Laporte, for who they paid a ton of money, is making less than half that of VVD, who i believe signed for us before he did for City, therefore his salary was available as a reference.
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      Reply #39664: Jun 21, 2019 06:48:14 pm
      Does anyone really give a flying F**k about city's wages in the bullshit rumors thread,F***ing summer holidays huh!

      Imagine being arsed about transfers this summer. Just enjoy us being European Champs and let Klopp & Edwards do their thing.

      Klopp's probably still on one long bender!!
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      Reply #39665: Jun 21, 2019 07:46:49 pm
      Mbappe 2020? Anfield wrap lads seem sure?
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      Reply #39666: Jun 21, 2019 07:51:42 pm
      Imagine being arsed about transfers this summer. Just enjoy us being European Champs and let Klopp & Edwards do their thing.

      Klopp's probably still on one long bender!!

      You came looking around.  ;D
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      Reply #39667: Jun 21, 2019 09:44:22 pm
         

      To be far it comes up on the recent posts way to often,this and cricket and counting. Gol Egypt!
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      Reply #39668: Jun 22, 2019 02:56:03 am
         

      To be far it comes up on the recent posts way to often,this and cricket and counting. Gol Egypt!

      It's the transfers board after all, so I suppose it might figure that we're talking about transfers. It's nothing life or death for certain in the context of what the team has just accomplished, but in looking at possible ins and outs, I don't find it keeps me from reveling in such a great success for our team.

      Just saying there are some threads on the site I'm not interested in, and so I don't go onto those boards to slag people for posting about that subject.
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      Reply #39669: Jun 22, 2019 07:26:27 am
      Thank God, this saga was getting on everyone's nerves

      https://twitter.com/footballitalia/status/1142199624905777155
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      Reply #39670: Jun 22, 2019 10:39:34 pm
      Please explain how Citeh manage to have so many good players on the bench, the answer is something called rotation, try to get your head around that please.

      I don't have to explain anything to you. If you don't understand that's not my problem
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      Reply #39671: Jun 23, 2019 09:38:00 am
      I don't have to explain anything to you. If you don't understand that's not my problem

      Well yes you actually do have to explain it unless you want to come across as an idiot. My point is that Citeh have a bench full of players who would walk into most other teams first XI, yet they are all happy, this disproves your assertion that we can't possibly get another top quality forward as they would not want to sit on the "bench". The reason I say it is possible is because of the kind of rotation of players which Citeh do and which we also do in midfield. In the modern game professional footballers are perfectly comfortable with rotation.
      If you want to debate your position I'd be happy to hear it.
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      Reply #39672: Jun 23, 2019 12:17:58 pm
      Well yes you actually do have to explain it unless you want to come across as an idiot. My point is that Citeh have a bench full of players who would walk into most other teams first XI, yet they are all happy, this disproves your assertion that we can't possibly get another top quality forward as they would not want to sit on the "bench". The reason I say it is possible is because of the kind of rotation of players which Citeh do and which we also do in midfield. In the modern game professional footballers are perfectly comfortable with rotation.
      If you want to debate your position I'd be happy to hear it.

      So he's Welcome to debate, but if he disagrees with you he's "an idiot?" What an appealing offer!

      Look, its more nuanced than that. Yes, rotation is more of a thing than it was 30 years ago, and yes, City pay more in wages and have bought some expensive players to add depth, but I think the majority of top line players still will want to play in most matches at the place they move to. Also, OUR manager has said he avoids having too big of a squad as it doesn't fit into his emphasis on good team chemistry. It's not an idiotic position in the slightest.

      Remember, we're expecting to see a kid who has yet to play a minute of first team football, not one minute, to be a key backup for us. Whatever hopes we have fkr Brewster, the decision to give him that role is quite opposite the philosophy that buys a Mahrez to play a backup or rotation role.  So it stands to reason that as we look at other possible players to bring in for depth, that we won't be talking about the most wanted and expensive players in the world.

      If we spend big on someone, they are likely coming in to be a major part of our XI.
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      Reply #39673: Jun 23, 2019 12:48:26 pm
      So he's Welcome to debate, but if he disagrees with you he's "an idiot?" What an appealing offer!

      Look, its more nuanced than that. Yes, rotation is more of a thing than it was 30 years ago, and yes, City pay more in wages and have bought some expensive players to add depth, but I think the majority of top line players still will want to play in most matches at the place they move to. Also, OUR manager has said he avoids having too big of a squad as it doesn't fit into his emphasis on good team chemistry. It's not an idiotic position in the slightest.

      Remember, we're expecting to see a kid who has yet to play a minute of first team football, not one minute, to be a key backup for us. Whatever hopes we have fkr Brewster, the decision to give him that role is quite opposite the philosophy that buys a Mahrez to play a backup or rotation role.  So it stands to reason that as we look at other possible players to bring in for depth, that we won't be talking about the most wanted and expensive players in the world.

      If we spend big on someone, they are likely coming in to be a major part of our XI.


      Except I didn't call him an idiot did I? What I said was "Well yes you actually do have to explain it unless you want to come across as an idiot." the key word there being unless and I maintain that anyone who refutes an argument with an insult or sly dig without countering it, is an idiot.

      BTW if we get a 4th top striker, why on earth do you think they would not play plenty of games, it would simply be the same as our midfield where we rotate players into and out of the starting XI as per their form and fitness. Do you perhaps think that our midfielders are pissed off that there are more than 3 of them or defenders that there are more than 4 defenders??

      The simple truth is that we have no adequate backup for our forwards, despite his very valuable goals Origi is not even close to the level of Sadio, Bobby or MO and Brewster is a completely unknown quantity at this time.

      IF we can acquire another forward of a similar level o our current front three then I think we will walk the league next year if not then we will lose again, probably by a bigger margin because no way do we go another season without any major or lengthy injury to our front three.

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      Reply #39674: Jun 23, 2019 05:10:06 pm
      Man-City wages and transfer fees of six players who are not in the typical starting XI (according to the numbers posted by PurpleMonkey):

      Otamendi : 120k (transfer fee: €44.6M)
      Sane: 90k (transfer fee: €45.5M)
      Mahrez: 120k (transfer fee :€67.8M)
      Jesus: 90k (transfer fee: €32M)
      Danilo: 80k (transfer fee: €30M )
      Mendy: 90k (transfer fee: €57.5M)

      Total wages paid per week: 590k

      Total transfer fees paid to acquire these players: €277.4M

      Liverpool wages and transfer fees of six players who are not in the typical starting XI:

      Lovren: 90k (transfer fee: €25.3M)
      Shaq: 90k (transfer fee: €14.7)
      Sturridge: 120k (transfer fee: €15M)
      Moreno: 40k (transfer fee: €18M)
      Clyne: 70k (transfer fee: €17.7M)
      Lallana: 65k (transfer fee: €31M)

      Total wages paid per week: 475k

      Total transfer fees paid to acquire these players: €121.7M


      Basically, City only pays 115K more than us in weekly wages for these guys to warm their bench, but they also paid  €155M more in transfer fees to acquire these guys than we paid to acquire ours.

      *Keep in mind I've only selected 6 players from each side. Man City have more than 6 expensive bench warmers. Kompany is one name I didn't select that would've inflated their wage bill. Gundogan started lots of games this year, but he usually sits on the bench if Silva, KDB, and Fernandinho are all healthy. He would inflate both the wage bill and the total transfer fees.

      * Also, a €6M wage gap seems little at first sight because we're used to talking in millions when it comes to football, but keep in mind this is on a weekly basis that this extra  €6M has to be paid. Idk exactly if PL players are paid only for the 38 game-weeks or more, but if we assume it's only the 38 game-weeks then City pays, per season,  €228M more than us in wages to have the squad that they have. To have the full picture, you'd have to take into account the transfer fees paid too.

      All in all, I think that the difference is considerable and that the wage gap, when put in the context of a full season, is bigger than what we might think at first sight.

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