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      General Transfer rumours/gossip thread

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      heimdall
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #41700: Feb 13, 2020 10:01:44 am
      Anyone see the guy on Talksport who said that Firmino is better than both Bergkamp and Cantona?

      As much as I love Bobby I'm calling bullshit on that one, Bergkamp and Cantona were God like players, didn't we have the chance of buying Cantona but turned it down :-(
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      Reply #41701: Feb 13, 2020 10:11:22 am
      Anyone see the guy on Talksport who said that Firmino is better than both Bergkamp and Cantona?

      Hmmm as a team we need to keep piling in the silverware into the club then at the end of their careers we can look at where, individually they all rank.

      As ever the strength of this team is in the collective and if we continue to plough trophies into the cabinet like we have done since Madrid then that's the conversation I'd be more interested in.

      For now though we have 2 in the bag and we're in the hunt for 3 more trophies this season alone, so let's see what we can do.

      For me Bobby would be in the conversation with Bergkamp and Cantona as players who's impact on a team transcended more stats and numbers.
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      Reply #41702: Feb 13, 2020 10:28:28 am
      Hmmm as a team we need to keep piling in the silverware into the club then at the end of their careers we can look at where, individually they all rank.

      As ever the strength of this team is in the collective and if we continue to plough trophies into the cabinet like we have done since Madrid then that's the conversation I'd be more interested in.

      For now though we have 2 in the bag and we're in the hunt for 3 more trophies this season alone, so let's see what we can do.

      For me Bobby would be in the conversation with Bergkamp and Cantona as players who's impact on a team transcended more stats and numbers.

      OK from an impact and importance to the team point of view yes you may have an argument, but Cantona and Bergkamp could win games on their own, they were at times simply untouchable, some of the goals and passes they did were a different dimension. Stevie G was another player like this, who could win games all by himself.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #41703: Feb 13, 2020 01:26:27 pm
      As much as I love Bobby I'm calling bullshit on that one, Bergkamp and Cantona were God like players, didn't we have the chance of buying Cantona but turned it down :-(

      Na Cantona was an over rated prima donna - never rated him that highly.

      For impact at a club maybe but not as a player I never thought he was that special.

      Bergkamp yes quality player but a luxury player.

      Firmino gets the nod for me.
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      Reply #41704: Feb 13, 2020 01:39:29 pm
      Jack Grealish... wouldn’t mind the lad here to be honest..
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      Reply #41705: Feb 13, 2020 05:03:59 pm
      Na Cantona was an over rated prima donna - never rated him that highly.

      For impact at a club maybe but not as a player I never thought he was that special.

      Bergkamp yes quality player but a luxury player.

      Firmino gets the nod for me.

      It's always difficult to judge players from different era's, but a reasonable way is to look at the impact they made at a higher level.

      So, did they heavily influence European games?
      To a lesser extent. did they heavily influence International matches?

      By those criteria, Cantona was "lesser" than Firmino and Bergkamp, and I would say Firmino has a bigger impact for us in those situations (and Brazil).
      If my memory is working, it was said at the time that Cantona often went missing in European games.

      There are some exceptions; Messi and Ronaldo don't make the same impact on the international stage as they do for their clubs, however, they are the standout players in their teams, and their records in domestic leagues and European games is outstanding,
      which is why I said internationals are the lesser of the two criteria.

      I also agree that Bergkamp was a luxury player.
      Marvelously skillful, but a bit of a passenger at times.
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      Reply #41706: Feb 13, 2020 06:11:46 pm
      Jack Grealish... wouldn’t mind the lad here to be honest..

      He'd have to be content with coming off the bench though, and I'm not sure he'd do that.

      Could be brought in as a replacement for Lallana, but with the English Premium fee, I doubt we'd go for him, when I reckon he'd be at least 50 m

      Villa have now got rich owners as well, so not even sure if they'd sell.

      Spurs missed a trick not picking him up on the cheap, before the new owners came in.
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      Reply #41707: Feb 13, 2020 06:28:54 pm
      Jack Grealish... wouldn’t mind the lad here to be honest..

      Much rather we focussed on getting Jones into the team properly than pay a stupid amount for Grealish, who in all honesty isn’t anything special. He just stands out in that Villa team because everyone else in it is so crap. Don’t see what Grealish would bring to the team that we haven’t already got, he’s certainly not at the level of Hendo, Ox, Keita or Gini and I’d probably put Shaq ahead of him too.

      Regardless of the standard of team, I’d expect any player in his position to stand out against the better teams but he doesn’t, he’s nowhere to be seen...and he’s meant to be the captain.
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      Reply #41708: Feb 13, 2020 10:36:39 pm
      Much rather we focussed on getting Jones into the team properly than pay a stupid amount for Grealish, who in all honesty isn’t anything special. He just stands out in that Villa team because everyone else in it is so crap. Don’t see what Grealish would bring to the team that we haven’t already got, he’s certainly not at the level of Hendo, Ox, Keita or Gini and I’d probably put Shaq ahead of him too.

      Regardless of the standard of team, I’d expect any player in his position to stand out against the better teams but he doesn’t, he’s nowhere to be seen...and he’s meant to be the captain.

      Far better player than you give him credit for and better than Shaq for starters
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      Reply #41709: Feb 13, 2020 10:53:58 pm
      Far better player than you give him credit for and better than Shaq for starters

      If you say so.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #41710: Feb 14, 2020 06:36:19 pm
      Jack Grealish... wouldn’t mind the lad here to be honest..

      Agree. Wouldn't mind him here for £0. ;D
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #41711: Feb 15, 2020 11:00:24 am
      DeBruyne will be looking for a new club in the summer
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #41712: Feb 15, 2020 11:35:16 am
      DeBruyne will be looking for a new club in the summer

      Yes please, what a player he is.
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      Reply #41713: Feb 15, 2020 11:59:07 am
      He's a Liverpool fan, so if we do want him that'll help.
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      Reply #41714: Feb 15, 2020 12:51:14 pm
      He's a Liverpool fan, so if we do want him that'll help.

      he would be a welcome addition the city debacle is going to be fun
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #41715: Feb 16, 2020 02:47:35 pm
      Na Cantona was an over rated prima donna - never rated him that highly.



      Brought everything together at Utd when he joined though, slag him off all you want but he was pivotal in Utd winning the league after 26 years.
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      Re: General Transfer rumours/gossip thread
      Reply #41716: Feb 16, 2020 02:48:05 pm
      DeBruyne will be looking for a new club in the summer

      Too injury-ridden now!
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      Reply #41717: Feb 19, 2020 05:02:05 pm
      Haven’t seen much of Werner so can’t comment on him but after watching harland last night that kid knows where the goal is. Talksport saying he’s got a £60 million release clause put in his contract when he signed for Dortmund last month, they r saying that’s why the scum never signed him. I would have him all day long , bobby’s legs will only last another season or two maybe drop him abit deeper

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