Ince or Coutinho?

Seeing as these appear to be the only likely targets this window, who would you prefer to sign and why?

I think Ince, purely because he'll be slight cheaper I'd imagine and I also feel he'd settle quicker and be able to make more of an impact this season; which really is the purpose of a January signing isn't it?

Alonso.

Coutinho! Seems he will be an excellent player with given time

Dont see either happening to be honest..We mess around way to much when it comes to transfers..

I think Ince, purely because he'll be slight cheaper

Why would you be bothered? If the price difference is "slight", why not go for the better player?

I'm not saying one is better than the other but a slight price difference shouldn't come in to consideration.

Coutinho sounds more exotic than Ince, plus we have already had an Ince but never a Coutinho so I'll go for young Coutinho.

 

Alonso.

Think some reading lessons may be in order

Why would you be bothered? If the price difference is "slight", why not go for the better player?

I'm not saying one is better than the other but a slight price difference shouldn't come in to consideration.

Indeed Rep.

It's a bit baffling to hear football fans saying they'd go for another player as he'd be cheaper or better value.

We don't pay for these players so I just judge it on who I feel is best.

I think it'll be both or neither. 

If I had to choose I'd go for Coutinho purely because I just feel Ince (his Dad) could cause problems making demands about starting every game.

Indeed Rep.

It's a bit baffling to hear football fans saying they'd go for another player as he'd be cheaper or better value.

We don't pay for these players so I just judge it on who I feel is best.

Think this is one thing that us fans always cry out for and yet when it comes down to it, we never live up to it. To me, it is far better spending an extra £2-3m if a player is of better quality than another. Whether or not Coutinho really is that much better than Ince, I don't know.

I think it'll be both or neither. 

If I had to choose I'd go for Coutinho purely because I just feel Ince (his Dad) could cause problems making demands about starting every game.

It is something that doesn't really bother me. Paul may have had an influence on Thomas leaving us originally. If I am honest, that was probably the best thing for him. He got regular football and has made a name for himself, something which may not have happened at Anfield. That said, I don't see Paul being able to have that same level of say on Thomas' career now. Thomas is at an age where he is working independently and not under instruction of how Dad. At least...you would hope that was the case.

Coutinho without a doubt. In Malta, many follow Seria A and inter fans say he is brilliant but need to be polished more and we need to take care about his injuries.

There shouldn't need to be a choice. Get both in if the manager feels he needs them.

Still think we need more experience in the side though but it appears that isn't an option anymore.

There shouldn't need to be a choice. Get both in if the manager feels he needs them.

Still think we need more experience in the side though but it appears that isn't an option anymore.

We don't need both.
I think Sterling deserves to maintain a place in the squad.
If we were to sign both Ince & Coutinho it would relegate Sterling.

On that basis I'd only have one and it would be Coutinho.
I do think this could be the right club for him and it would have the
added bonus of not having to deal with Ince Sr.

Why would you be bothered? If the price difference is "slight", why not go for the better player?

I'm not saying one is better than the other but a slight price difference shouldn't come in to consideration.

Indeed Rep.

It's a bit baffling to hear football fans saying they'd go for another player as he'd be cheaper or better value.

We don't pay for these players so I just judge it on who I feel is best.

Price wasn't specifically my justification for my choice, it was merely just an added bonus. My main reason was the fact Ince is used to England and English football, he no doubt knows the likes of sterling, wisdom and suso well from his youth team days and would therefore settle far quicker. This would increase his chances of putting in good performances sooner. This is the most important aspect of a January signing for me, as they don't have the per-season to settle and blend with the squad that a summer signing may...

We don't pay for these players so I just judge it on who I feel is best.

I remember me saying that when we signed Downing and Henderson.

To be honest at the rate how our  so called transfer targets are being "solved'  I doubt we will sign any of the 2
 I hope I am wrong and at least one of the two will be a red
   If BR wants Ince then go for it (if the player is willing to join), if Rodgers prefers coutinho than the club should do all they can to get him
  YNWA

+1 for Coutinho

Coutinho.

We don't need both.
I think Sterling deserves to maintain a place in the squad.
If we were to sign both Ince & Coutinho it would relegate Sterling.

On that basis I'd only have one and it would be Coutinho.
I do think this could be the right club for him and it would have the
added bonus of not having to deal with Ince Sr.

Yes, he's coming across as a bit of a cock isn't he.

I would no more guarantee first team football for a player than I would put my balls in a vice and tighten it.

A player earns his place, he doesn't get given it as part of his contract.

Both

Whichever one we get will do me

From what little I've seen of both players, I'd actually prefer Ince.

I've only seen clips of Coutinho on you-tube, and isn't that the place were players are meant to look class? He looked average to me, frustrating and lacking any end product.

Don't know why people keep bringing up the "we aren't paying money for the players, the board are" argument, the money comes out of LFC's budget which means if we spend more of it, we'll have less of it afterwards. That's less of it to spend on other players in the future, people said the same thing when we signed Andy Carroll. People had genuine concerns that we could have spent that extortionate money on a much better player, which we could have, and were met with the "it's not your money so relax" response.

It does matter how much we spend, we're the ones buying tickets, merchandise etc.. It's the fans that will suffer for poor choices in the transfer market for years afterwards.

I've been a big admirer of Coutinho since he signed for Inter almost 3 years ago.  He was considered the next Brazilian superstar and Moratti dubbed him the future of Inter.  He has struggled to live up to the hype, but he has also been playing top level European footie with the Inter 1st team (and Espanyol 1st team) for the last 3 years.  Ince has only really been playing 1st team footie in the Championship, although he has done very well for himself there.  However, I would personally prefer Coutinho as I believe that he has all the necessary attributes to be a top winger for us and at 20 years old he still has plenty of time to continue his development. 

Coutinho. Ince can be a decent winger for a club competing in the top half of the premier league, potentially. Coutinho could be a world class attacking midfielder, potentially.

i think Ince deal is stalled , may be we ll go for him in summer..ATM all  we need No 10 cause suso seems bit inexperienced so Countinho for me too. 

Don't know why people keep bringing up the "we aren't paying money for the players, the board are" argument, the money comes out of LFC's budget which means if we spend more of it, we'll have less of it afterwards. That's less of it to spend on other players in the future, people said the same thing when we signed Andy Carroll. People had genuine concerns that we could have spent that extortionate money on a much better player, which we could have, and were met with the "it's not your money so relax" response.

It does matter how much we spend, we're the ones buying tickets, merchandise etc.. It's the fans that will suffer for poor choices in the transfer market for years afterwards.

I get what you're saying mate but the Carroll deal was an extreme example. The OP suggested that we should go for a player because he was slightly cheaper (they have since said that's not what they meant). Choosing one player over another for the sake of a million or two makes little sense if there is a difference in quality. That saving could be the difference between being genuinely competitive or just getting by. Get the best player possible without screwing your "budget", that's the ideal.

Don't know why people keep bringing up the "we aren't paying money for the players, the board are" argument, the money comes out of LFC's budget which means if we spend more of it, we'll have less of it afterwards. That's less of it to spend on other players in the future, people said the same thing when we signed Andy Carroll. People had genuine concerns that we could have spent that extortionate money on a much better player, which we could have, and were met with the "it's not your money so relax" response.

It does matter how much we spend, we're the ones buying tickets, merchandise etc.. It's the fans that will suffer for poor choices in the transfer market for years afterwards.

Big difference between spunking 35 million on Carroll and the 10-12 million reported for Coutinho.

10-12 million is no worse than Borini. (Relax I like Borini)

Ince just because he do pass the ball, Coutinho never do that.

I think it'll be both or neither. 

If I had to choose I'd go for Coutinho purely because I just feel Ince (his Dad) could cause problems making demands about starting every game.

I agree.

We have been chasing Ince for a while now. He played for us until his dad decided he would be better of elsewhere, and now Blackpool want an inflated price for him (All allegedly). Bollox to him get Coutinho instead, then lets see how much Blackpool want at the end of the season....nothing cause he is out of contract (I believe). And you never know, we may end up with both eventually.

I think it'll be both or neither. 

If I had to choose I'd go for Coutinho purely because I just feel Ince (his Dad) could cause problems making demands about starting every game.

Don't agree with the first bit debs, but completely agree with the second. Does seem to come with plenty of baggage, baggage we're very used to and clearly are happy with for now but it does smell of a potential problem.

Think it's very possible we could end up with just one of them though.

I think we'll get both, be it now or in the summer. If I had to pick, Ince.

Ian Ayre held further talks with Inter officials and increased Liverpool’s bid for the 20-year-old. (Tony Barrett)

Coutinho's preference is to move to Anfield. (Tony Barrett)

Probably just matched this bid Danny (at least I hope they have).

Southampton £10.2m bid for Coutinho is accepted by Inter
According to the Daily Mail, Southampton have leapfrogged Liverpool in the race to sign Philippe Coutinho from Inter Milan after having a £10.2million bid accepted for the midfielder.

LFC had a £6.3m offer rejected for the Brazilian last Friday and have improved that bid to £8m.
They will now have to match Southampton's package to stand a chance of luring Coutinho to Merseyside

Coutinho's preference is to move to Anfield. (Tony Barrett)

I'm liking this quote a lot though, don't know his source but I tend to believe what he says.

I agree.

We have been chasing Ince for a while now. He played for us until his dad decided he would be better of elsewhere, and now Blackpool want an inflated price for him (All allegedly). Bollox to him get Coutinho instead, then lets see how much Blackpool want at the end of the season....nothing cause he is out of contract (I believe). And you never know, we may end up with both eventually.

I think Ince has 18 months left on his contract , so we may have to wait until the summer .

Ince will get picked up by someone in the summer and probably for more money than he'll move for during this window. If we really want him for the long term we should probably try and get him now.

I think Ince has 18 months left on his contract , so we may have to wait until the summer .

i thought it was up in the summer?

Ince will get picked up by someone in the summer and probably for more money than he'll move for during this window. If we really want him for the long term we should probably try and get him now.

I doubt we'll go for Ince and Couthino this transfer .

I doubt we'll go for Ince and Couthino this transfer .

I think you may be right unfortunately. I think thing having both would really help with squad rotations; especially if we stay in Europe. However if we go out of Europe i think one of them would suffice until the summer.

i thought it was up in the summer?

He signed for 2yrs with the option for a third , i don't know would we be liable to buy out that option or not .

Who has the option? If its him surely he can say no and leave of a free. Its its Blackpool's, they'll make him stay and sell him for extortionate amounts I'd imagine.

Who has the option? If its him surely he can say no and leave of a free. Its its Blackpool's, they'll make him stay and sell him for extortionate amounts I'd imagine.

That's what i was thinking aswell, surely Blackpool drew it up in their favour .

Yeah they are quite savvy with their transfer dealings, so it almost certainly is.

Coutinho for me.

Not because his names exotic but because he's got more top flight experience and he's got more potential imo.

Give me both and we'll discuss our options later.

Give me both and we'll discuss our options later.

I see what you did there.

I see what you did there.

Both..

If the reported figures are correct.. Then i dont think around 15 million quid is too much to ask for, we will certainly be better prepared for the second half of the season with Ince, Coutinho and Sturridge added to the squad.. All are players for the future as well.

Get em in

Both..

If the reported figures are correct.. Then i dont think around 15 million quid is too much to ask for, we will certainly be better prepared for the second half of the season with Ince, Coutinho and Sturridge added to the squad.. All are players for the future as well.

Get em in

Is right soft la!

Why choose? Just get both.  Get Coutinho in now and if the deal for Ince is troublesome, attempt to purchase and loan back if necessary.

Coutinho if I had to choose.

I just like his lovely curly hair.






What do you mean wrong forum......How embarrasing

Coutinho for me, more experience at a higher level.

Coutinho for me, more experience at a higher level.

This, also think he will go on to become a much better player too

Pace dies, flair does not. Brazilian please!

Pace dies, flair does not. Brazilian please!

Save that for the manscaping thread please. 

Studied their styles and I'd equate Ince and Countinho with Sturridge and Suarez. One is direct while the other is full of trickery. We need to unlock stubborn defence to score more goals, I'd say get Coutinho now and Ince in the summer to give us more punch in attack.

Coutinho without a doubt. In Malta, many follow Seria A and inter fans say he is brilliant but need to be polished more and we need to take care about his injuries.

hopefully the fans keep patience, sounds like he wont be starting every game as soon as he gets in like sturridge, although he might have the talent to do so (which is very exciting, sturridge for 12m and coutinho for 10-13, excellent truly excellent). the way we are set up now, we will ease him into the fitness required to have an impact in Premier League games perfectly, i have supreme confidence in the men we have behind the scenes and the new men brendan brought in.

Both thank you very much .

Hard to imagine both players coming in tbh. Downing seems to have played himself into some pretty consistent form and with young Sterling looking good and Suarez seemingly playing a slightly wider role sinc eSturridge has come in I'm not sure there will be enough playign time for both players?

A stuation whereby we bought Coutinho now and then also bought Ince but loaned him back for the rest of the season would be a good shout I think.

You F***ing kidding me? Coutinho, without hesitation.

Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly hasn't watched him play.

Different kind of players.
You can only be in a position to choose either if it were a money issue where you could only have one.

Oh, we apparently are.

Well I want Ince and also butland then.

Pathetic that we're within shouting distance of fourth and our next primary target is Ince.

Pathetic that we're within shouting distance of fourth and our next primary target is Ince.

Why's that?  I take it you're not a fan of Ince?

Why's that?  I take it you're not a fan of Ince?

He will never be happy as long as he has got a hole in his arse.

Pathetic that we're within shouting distance of fourth and our next primary target is Ince.

God forbid that we go after good players.

He will never be happy as long as he has got a hole in his arse.

In fairness - he has taught himself to talk through it...

Well, yeh, Ince looks like he's developing into an excellent, dangerous and creative player - who knows if he will be a top top player, but I'm not unhappy to see us in for him.  Sturridge, Coutinho and Ince would be some window, if you ask me.

Well, yeh, Ince looks like he's developing into an excellent, dangerous and creative player - who knows if he will be a top top player, but I'm not unhappy to see us in for him.  Sturridge, Coutinho and Ince would be some window, if you ask me.

Yep

And anyone who would suggest otherwise isn't worth listening to mate

A January window with 3 good additions.. Some people will never be happy

We've only got one out of the three at this moment remember though guys. And the one we have got should probably have been here last August or at least the position he plays in addressed.

We've only got one out of the three at this moment remember though guys. And the one we have got should probably have been here last August or at least the position he plays in addressed.

True, although Coutinho looks pretty nailed on.  Agree that August was a farce, but hopefully lessons have been learned, and we seem to be going about our business much better.  I'm not going to dwell on last summer, as long as we go about our business in the right way going forward, and signs are good in this window at least. 

We've only got one out of the three at this moment remember though guys. And the one we have got should probably have been here last August or at least the position he plays in addressed.

Made that point in BR thread mate - next 4 days can make one helluva difference to how this window looks.

Will consider it a decent return if we get both these guys - would have liked more experience (and maybe wee bit of dig) but despite what's been said there's no real evidence that's on radar.

We've only got one out of the three at this moment remember though guys. And the one we have got should probably have been here last August or at least the position he plays in addressed.

Yep.

Still a bit to go.

Coutinho hes class

GWATO made the point it would make a great window..
I read that as if it happened it would make a good window..

In terms of moaner Federer complaining we are tracking Ince


I wasn't suggesting we had or were definitely getting all 3

GWATO made the point it would make a great window..
I read that as if it happened it would make a good window..

In terms of moaner Federer complaining we are tracking Ince


I wasn't suggesting we had or were definitely getting all 3

I know mate - I was just pointing out next 4 days will massively influence what lens I use on the window.

I know mate - I was just pointing out next 4 days will massively influence what lens I use on the window.

Me too

And maybe tip my hat FSGs way

I was merely making the point that Federer is wrong in my opinion to constantly complain
 
How could anyone really complain If we signed 3 new attacking players of the managers choice in one January window.

Me too

And maybe tip my hat FSGs way

I was merely making the point that Federer is wrong in my opinion to constantly complain
 
How could anyone really complain If we signed 3 new attacking players of the managers choice in one January window.

No one should complain mate as if all three are signed it will, at the very least, make amends for the summer balls up.

I would still like to totally reserve judgement until we see the summer moves but if the manager gets three players he is after then there should be no complaining. We might not be jumping for joy and lavishing praise on them but it would be a start.

As for Roger I'm not sure what would make him happy. If we signed Messi he'd still find something to moan about.

Me too

And maybe tip my hat FSGs way

I was merely making the point that Federer is wrong in my opinion to constantly complain
 
How could anyone really complain If we signed 3 new attacking players of the managers choice in one January window.

Okay, you don't have to agree, but can you not at least see the *possibility* that those 3 attacking players might not be good enough?!

would you be happy if we signed 3 Downings?  of course not, because it's not about quantity, it's about quality.

Is Sturridge seriously the best striker we could have?

and is Ince seriously the best winger available who would come to us?  seriously?  that's how far we've dropped, that the best winger in the entire world who will come to us is playing in the Championship??

What do you not understand about QUALITY being the most important thing?

The manager has targets who he thinks will fit his system.

We've just got to with it and have faith with who he sees fit.

The manager has targets who he thinks will fit his system.

We've just got to with it and have faith with who he sees fit.

That's the key mate


And with that I'll be away for a couple of days... There's gonna be a lot of knee jerking

Okay, you don't have to agree, but can you not at least see the *possibility* that those 3 attacking players might not be good enough?!

would you be happy if we signed 3 Downings?  of course not, because it's not about quantity, it's about quality.

Is Sturridge seriously the best striker we could have?

and is Ince seriously the best winger available who would come to us?  seriously?  that's how far we've dropped, that the best winger in the entire world who will come to us is playing in the Championship??

What do you not understand about QUALITY being the most important thing?

Not getting into it with you lad

The manager has targets who he thinks will fit his system.

We've just got to with it and have faith with who he sees fit.

Actually, this is probably the only relevant thing in the transfer discussions.  We have to respect the manager.  If the manager wants Heskey then we have to give him Heskey.

But that doesn't mean suddenly you say Heskey is great.  You say "well, I don't think he's going to add much to our team, but if the manager wants him then he wants him."

Ince is not good enough.  But if the manager wants him, he wants him. 

And with that I'll be away for a couple of days... There's gonna be a lot of knee jerking

Bring it on I say.