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      Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)
      Reply #3525: Jan 07, 2019 07:23:53 pm
      Theres not a chance in hell he goes to United, City or the Chavs...we are more likely to bring him back than they are to sign him, and even that is never going to happen. He will be at Barca until either the summer or the summer after and then he will be used to being back Neymar in a swap deal. IMO.
      If Barcelona sells him quickly for like 90 million, they don't lose as much. Only a few more games and an 18 million add on is triggered, then another 4m when they get in CL. About 50m of Coutinho money owed to us is tied up in add ons.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)
      Reply #3526: Jan 07, 2019 07:27:47 pm
      If Barcelona sells him quickly for like 90 million, they don't lose as much. Only a few more games and an 18 million add on is triggered, then another 4m when they get in CL. About 50m of Coutinho money owed to us is tied up in add ons.

      It wouldn’t surprise me if Edwards got a clause in the deal that means that if they sell Coutinho within the first 2-3 years, then they have to still pay the full amount, whether the add ons have been triggered or not. I don’t think we’d have spent as much as we did in the summer if there wasn’t some sort of guarantee.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)
      Reply #3527: Jan 08, 2019 10:12:42 am
      Spanish fans are impatient, particularly Madrid and Barca. Look at Modric in his first season with Madrid, voted worst signing of the season and they were desperate to get rid. Fast forward 5 years..

      I’ve no doubt that Coutinho has the ability to do great things at Barca, if he is given the time. Much rather that than he returned to England and played for one of our rivals.
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      Reply #3528: Jan 08, 2019 10:19:47 am
      Spanish fans are impatient, particularly Madrid and Barca. Look at Modric in his first season with Madrid, voted worst signing of the season and they were desperate to get rid. Fast forward 5 years..

      I’ve no doubt that Coutinho has the ability to do great things at Barca, if he is given the time. Much rather that than he returned to England and played for one of our rivals.

      It's awful. Dembele is another good example, valverde was accused by some of racism for not picking him and then the same people start slagging Dembele off when he plays and the catalan media have constantly tried to undermine him , saying he is leaving or questioning his attitude.  The abuse the likes of rakitic and suarez have received recently is bewildering and you still people moaning about messi who is as close to untouchable in my book, one knob suggested messi should be slowly phased out of the side
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)
      Reply #3529: Jan 08, 2019 10:24:09 am
      It's awful. Dembele is another good example, valverde was accused by some of racism for not picking him and then the same people start slagging Dembele off when he plays and the catalan media have constantly tried to undermine him , saying he is leaving or questioning his attitude.  The abuse the likes of rakitic and suarez have received recently is bewildering and you still people moaning about messi who is as close to untouchable in my book, one knob suggested messi should be slowly phased out of the side
      That guy should slowly be phased out of life.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)
      Reply #3530: Jan 10, 2019 10:28:18 pm
      Getting absolutely mullored on twitter tonight - “another nightmarish performance” one of the more balanced I’ve read.

      You paved your paradise Phil......the parking lot ain’t so grand is it........?
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      Reply #3531: Jan 10, 2019 10:34:13 pm
      It's the Michael Owen's gone to Madrid, coming back in January/July conundrum.

      Owen was sold for £8m.

      Real wanted double (£16m) for a back-up player (and I may be wrong, he was their top scorer that season).

      In the end, it was all a bit unrequited flirtation with fantasy. He watched Thommo bang on the glass behind him in the punditry box in Istanbul, he went to Newcastle for the £16m.

      In this current market, £130m+ will translate to... around the same figure to bring him back?

      Will it happen? No. Is he good enough to still get in the side? Yes.

      It's a similar tale, except he will end up at PSG with Neymar in the summer. And they'll probably pay around the same figure that he was sold for.

      In the end: he's just another good player who went through another traumatic divorce with us - who thought the grass was greener.

      Look forward to his return to Anfield in opposition colours, so he can feel the full effect. Just as Owen did when we lifted the European Cup, sat in a suit.

      Owen was sold for 8m because he had a year left on his contract and not 5 years like Coutinho's. If Barca wants to get rid they would sell him at a loss.

      Coutinho is a quality player, he would massively improve our team in the final third. However, as much as I would like him back the ship has sailed and I think Klopp has other ideas for the future.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)
      Reply #3532: Jan 10, 2019 10:36:08 pm
      Getting absolutely mullored on twitter tonight - “another nightmarish performance” one of the more balanced I’ve read.

      You paved your paradise Phil......the parking lot ain’t so grand is it........?

      Watched the game, and he was poor. I actually feel sorry for him.

      If the rumours are true about Neymar, and if they buy De Jong, I can't see it working out for Coutinho. I guess Klopp was right, he is just another player at Barca instead of something more prominent with us.
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      Reply #3533: Jan 10, 2019 10:37:46 pm
      Getting absolutely mullored on twitter tonight - “another nightmarish performance” one of the more balanced I’ve read.

      You paved your paradise Phil......the parking lot ain’t so grand is it........?

      Ha good enough for the c**t.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)
      Reply #3534: Jan 11, 2019 12:05:58 am
      Watched the game, and he was poor. I actually feel sorry for him.

      If the rumours are true about Neymar, and if they buy De Jong, I can't see it working out for Coutinho. I guess Klopp was right, he is just another player at Barca instead of something more prominent with us.
      he'd be rotating with Mane, but we wouldn't have VVD and Alisson. We benefitted from the sale.

      75+67 = 142m.
      Coutinho went for for 142m.
      We got Van Dijk for 75m.
      We got Alisson for 67m.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)
      Reply #3535: Jan 11, 2019 09:02:45 am
      Owen was sold for 8m because he had a year left on his contract and not 5 years like Coutinho's. If Barca wants to get rid they would sell him at a loss.

      Coutinho is a quality player, he would massively improve our team in the final third. However, as much as I would like him back the ship has sailed and I think Klopp has other ideas for the future.

      I just meant the whole 'is he coming back saga' 12 months after being sold.

      We couldn't afford his market value (also another comparison to my initial post) of paying double for Owen, or around the same astronomical price that Coutinho left for.

      I still stand by my prediction that he will end up at PSG next season, who else has silly money like that? City?  :roll:
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)
      Reply #3536: Jan 11, 2019 09:05:10 am
      Get him back! Loved him
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)
      Reply #3537: Jan 11, 2019 09:31:11 am

      Chances slim and none.
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      Reply #3538: Jan 11, 2019 10:32:34 am
      Problem for him is the change in formation to a 433 meaning he has to play in central midfield and unfortunately that leaves Barca far too open as his defensive output is no where near good enough.

      He just needs to wait for the invariable manager change at Barca.
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      Reply #3539: Jan 11, 2019 11:00:17 am
      Problem for him is the change in formation to a 433 meaning he has to play in central midfield and unfortunately that leaves Barca far too open as his defensive output is no where near good enough.

      He just needs to wait for the invariable manager change at Barca.

      What formation did Barca use to play though, I thought they'd almost always played with 3 strikers, certainly the last few seasons.
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      Reply #3540: Jan 11, 2019 11:14:50 am
      What formation did Barca use to play though, I thought they'd almost always played with 3 strikers, certainly the last few seasons.

      Was going to say similar.

      Back when Xavi and Iniesta were there they very much played 4 3 3 with Busquets as the holding player.

      I've said before that I see Coutinho as the natural successor to Iniesta but maybe they don't have a Xavi to balance that?

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      Reply #3541: Jan 11, 2019 12:10:15 pm

      I'd take him back but Barca would want their money back you'd be talking £120m at least not to mention the wages.
      I'm not desperate for him to return but would hate him to go to Utd. The ONLY way I could see it is if Barca are paying in instalments and they've still got a lot to pay.
      I'd be staggered if he returned, not sure how much Klopp would want him  either.
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      Reply #3542: Jan 11, 2019 12:12:52 pm
      What formation did Barca use to play though, I thought they'd almost always played with 3 strikers, certainly the last few seasons.

      They have but with the likes of Iniesta, Rakatic and Biscuits as the midfielders there is plenty of defensive cover there.

      The front 3 of Suarez, Dembele and Messi means CM is the only option for Coutinho at the moment unless they want to accommodate Coutinho.
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      Reply #3543: Jan 11, 2019 12:15:10 pm
      Was going to say similar.

      Back when Xavi and Iniesta were there they very much played 4 3 3 with Busquets as the holding player.

      I've said before that I see Coutinho as the natural successor to Iniesta but maybe they don't have a Xavi to balance that?



      That’s a myth that Coutinho is a great CM, he is an attacker.

      Klopp realised his defensive fallibility playing in midfield as witnessed in the WC,
      Looks like so has Valverde.
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      Reply #3544: Jan 11, 2019 12:52:24 pm
      I'd take him back but Barca would want their money back you'd be talking £120m at least not to mention the wages.
      I'm not desperate for him to return but would hate him to go to Utd. The ONLY way I could see it is if Barca are paying in instalments and they've still got a lot to pay.
      I'd be staggered if he returned, not sure how much Klopp would want him  either.

      Apparently Barca are paying in instalments and still have quite a lot to pay so I'm sure we could come to some arrangement with them but it would still cost us a good deal, but a fully motivated Coutinho in this current team, WOW!
      However I think its all academic as I don't think Klopp would want him back and I think he's quite a stubborn sod in that regard.
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      Reply #3545: Jan 11, 2019 01:08:37 pm
      I was sorry that he wanted to leave, but thought was right to let him go when we did.
      Loved watching him play, what a player he could be on his day.
      But wouldn't have him back - after all the sh*te that went on at the time - should we let him go/should we keep him - we bought VVD with the money, and moved on.
      Sorry, but for me that ship has sailed an ain't coming back.
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      Reply #3546: Jan 11, 2019 01:28:52 pm
      That’s a myth that Coutinho is a great CM, he is an attacker.

      Klopp realised his defensive fallibility playing in midfield as witnessed in the WC,
      Looks like so has Valverde.

      When Coutinho was injured, Klopp stated "we lose some defensive solidity when Phil doesn't play", and he was playing mostly on the left at the time, as an attacker.

      So I'd suggest Klopp understood the opposite of what you are saying.
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      Reply #3547: Jan 11, 2019 01:30:22 pm

      Nope, screw him.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)
      Reply #3548: Jan 11, 2019 01:41:34 pm
      I am warming to the notion.

      Never been replaced.

      Just warming a little mind.

      No standard bedding in period required.......🤔
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)
      Reply #3549: Jan 11, 2019 01:42:19 pm
      When Coutinho was injured, Klopp stated "we lose some defensive solidity when Phil doesn't play", and he was playing mostly on the left at the time, as an attacker.

      So I'd suggest Klopp understood the opposite of what you are saying.
      Yeah mate I think it’s more likely that the ‘myth’ is Coutinho being a defensive liability. I mean the guy is no Sergio Busquets, we didn’t see lunging tackles or crucial interceptions but I don’t ever recall him being lazy. He would often pick up possession from deep and turn defence into attack as well.

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