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      Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Feb 16, 2013 11:00:11 pm
      Hillsborough families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie over 'reckless' coverage
      Former Sun editor faces claim that he was 'indifferent to truth' after disaster at football ground in which 96 people died

      Mark Townsend
      The Observer, Saturday 16 February 2013 20.52 GMT

      Kelvin MacKenzie, the former editor of the Sun, faces being sued for malfeasance over his newspaper's coverage of the Hillsborough football disaster.

      Lawyers have indicated that they will issue a civil claim against the 66-year-old whose front-page story, headlined "The Truth", gave credence to a smear campaign and cover-up orchestrated by police in the wake of the tragedy, in which 96 people died. Although MacKenzie offered "profuse apologies" last September after the report of the Hillsborough Independent Panel exposed the article's allegations as wholly unfounded, lawyers for the families also accuse him of adopting a different approach privately.

      One lawyer for the Hillsborough Families Support Group said that despite public displays of contrition by the individuals and groups implicated in the 1989 disaster, the reaction to the panel's damning report was disappointing.

      He said: "We have written to all these people asking what their proposals are, and none of them, none of them, have said: 'Look, can we talk in order to find out how we can take responsibility for what we did?'

      "It's not just Kelvin MacKenzie – the South Yorkshire police should be coming forward to take responsibility, so should the FA, so should Sheffield Wednesday [at whose ground the game was staged]. It's not enough just to say we paid damages, all of which were tiny amounts, and not to take responsibility now." Families received payouts as low as £3,500 for the deaths of loved ones, sums later dwarfed by settlements to policemen, who were awarded up to £330,000 after suffering post-traumatic stress from witnessing the crush on the stadium terracing.

      A meeting at Liverpool's Anfield Road ground last Sunday, attended by many families of the victims, heard details of the civil claims that will be levelled at individuals and organisations involved in the cover-up. One of the targets is MacKenzie, whose newspaper falsely alleged that drunken fans urinated on police who were resuscitating the dying and picked the pockets of the dead.

      MacKenzie did not issue an unequivocal apology in the 23 years until the panel report prompted David Cameron to condemn the "despicable untruths" in the Sun story. Lawyers – who will meet tomorrow to discuss their next steps – believe MacKenzie is guilty of malfeasance, which is legally defined as intentional conduct that is wrongful. They say they do not have to prove he knew the material was not true, simply that "he was recklessly indifferent as to whether it was true or not".

      The families are very keen to press ahead with civil claims, even before fresh inquests into the deaths begin. The original accidental death verdicts were quashed by the high court in December.

      Part of their action will include damages claims against South Yorkshire police following the emergence of new medical evidence that shows that most of those who died suffered and did not die quickly, as had been initially contested.

      Trevor Hicks, the chairman of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, who lost two teenage daughters in the disaster, launched a legal action in 1992 to determine whether compensation was payable for the pain and suffering of those who died.

      At the time, South Yorkshire police argued that there was no pre-death suffering because the then available medical evidence indicated that victims would have lost consciousness within seconds before they died.

      It is now established that the courts' decision to agree with South Yorkshire police was based on inaccurate information, and that 58 of the dead might have been saved had the authorities reacted differently.

      Meanwhile, the Independent Police Complaints Commission has begun recruiting a team of up to 100 to work on the criminal inquiry into police corruption surrounding Hillsborough.

      It is also setting up an independent "challenge panel" which will advise the investigations and the Crown Prosecution Service as it weighs evidence against officers. A source said that the panel had yet to encounter any obstruction in its search for the disclosure of fresh evidence, adding: "So far, everybody has been helpful." .

      A spokesman for the Football Association said it would not comment because it had not been issued with an official civil claim. Neither South Yorkshire police nor MacKenzie replied to requests for a response.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/feb/16/hillsborough-families-sue-kelvin-mackenzie?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

      I'm no legal expert but I would say they have a good case.
      « Last Edit: Feb 16, 2013 11:26:37 pm by MsGerrard »
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to Sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #1: Feb 16, 2013 11:08:44 pm
      That does sound like they've got a good case to win this and others they pursue. 
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to Sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #2: Feb 16, 2013 11:15:18 pm
      Best of luck to them, the slimy b***ard will try and pull a fast one somewhere in there no doubt, hope they get every penny they can out of him.
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      Reply #3: Feb 16, 2013 11:39:38 pm
      Best of luck to them.
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      Reply #4: Feb 17, 2013 01:28:25 pm
      Best of luck to them, the slimy b***ard will try and pull a fast one somewhere in there no doubt, hope they get every penny they can out of him.

      The same slimy F***ing b***ard who waited 23 years to ''apologise'' for his evil lies knows full well that he is gonna be nailed, make no mistake the only reason he did hint at regret was self preservation.
      Burn the duplicitious, self seeking F***ing liar.
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #5: Feb 17, 2013 06:29:13 pm
      Oh yeah! Hopefully they win. But that seems like it'll be a tough case to convict?
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #6: Feb 17, 2013 06:32:37 pm
      Kelvin Mackenzie will hopefully get what is coming to him and then die a slow and horrible death alongside that piece of sh*t Thatcher.

      What goes around and all that malarkey!

      c**t!
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      Reply #7: Feb 17, 2013 09:43:45 pm
      Kelvin Mackenzie will hopefully get what is coming to him and then die a slow and horrible death alongside that piece of sh*t Thatcher.

      What goes around and all that malarkey!

      C**t!

      Totally agree with you and also if found guilty they should bring in a special dispensation for the f**ker to be hanged not just by his neck but also his cock and balls!

      He'll hopefully join Thatcher in hell.
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      Reply #8: Feb 17, 2013 10:51:39 pm
      Totally agree with you and also if found guilty they should bring in a special dispensation for the f**ker to be hanged not just by his neck but also his cock and balls!

      He'll hopefully join Thatcher in hell.

       >:D Why not say what you really think hun  :P

      Joking apart....he'll get what's coming to him one day, the slimeball sleazebag  :f_steam:
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #9: Feb 26, 2013 03:53:17 pm
      >:D Why not say what you really think hun  :P

      Joking apart....he'll get what's coming to him one day, the slimeball sleazebag  :f_steam:
      Unfortunately life doesn't work that way, just look at Saville
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      Reply #10: Feb 26, 2013 06:23:01 pm
      Unfortunately life doesn't work that way, just look at Saville

      That's true, the bad guys always seem to get away with it, mind you Saville was already dead when it came out about his dealings.
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #11: Feb 28, 2013 12:06:00 am
      Not seen this horrible c**t on the tele for a good while. Perhaps I've just missed him, but I hope the work has dried up on the back of the Hillsborough panel findings.

      Hope the families sue him for a good amount and put a big dent into his ill gotten gains.
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      Reply #12: Feb 28, 2013 01:04:19 am
      Kelvin Mackenzie will hopefully get what is coming to him and then die a slow and horrible death alongside that piece of sh*t Thatcher.

      What goes around and all that malarkey!

      C**t!

      Spot on!
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #13: Feb 28, 2013 10:10:37 am
      Not seen this horrible c**t on the tele for a good while. Perhaps I've just missed him, but I hope the work has dried up on the back of the Hillsborough panel findings.

      Hope the families sue him for a good amount and put a big dent into his ill gotten gains.

      Following the findings of the uncorrupted inquests and the truth being laid out for all to see the horrible c**t in question will be held liable for the slander, libel and merely being a c**t. Civil actions on a grand scale will ensue.
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      Reply #14: Feb 28, 2013 01:29:47 pm
      Following the findings of the uncorrupted inquests and the truth being laid out for all to see the horrible c**t in question will be held liable for the slander, libel and merely being a c**t. Civil actions on a grand scale will ensue.

      ......and perverting the course of justice for good measure.
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #15: Feb 28, 2013 10:46:16 pm
      I hope they take the c**t for every last penny he's got. And then go for his eyes.
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      Reply #16: Apr 04, 2013 11:01:52 am
      The evil little troll has got a job writing for the Daily Telegraph online, no wonder they're introducing a subsription service.
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #17: Apr 04, 2013 11:14:33 am
      This c**t should never be allowed to rest easy or lie straight in his bed. I hope the families succeed and every Red reminds him of what a scummy little c**t he is until the day he dies.
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      Reply #18: Apr 04, 2013 11:19:10 am
      This c**t should never be allowed to rest easy or lie straight in his bed. I hope the families succeed and every Red reminds him of what a scummy little c**t he is until the day he dies.

      Just spike the c**t's water supply with Thallium and be done with it. It's quite easy to signwrite a van and impersonate a Water Authority representative, dig a hole in his front lawn and place the Thallium vial in the appropriate position.
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      Reply #19: Apr 04, 2013 11:28:53 am
      Just spike the c**t's water supply with Thallium and be done with it. It's quite easy to signwrite a van and impersonate a Water Authority representative, dig a hole in his front lawn and place the Thallium vial in the appropriate position.

      No need mate, the c**t is finished. What's the creature doing now as opposed to when he was shoutng the evil lies from the rooftops?
      The slide into obscurity is relentless, when he is powerless his frailty will be exploited and he will be held to account for his crimes
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      Reply #20: Apr 04, 2013 01:10:26 pm
      #DontBuyTheTelegraph is starting to trend on Twitter. Would be good if those on twitter give this a tweet.
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      Reply #21: Apr 04, 2013 01:21:56 pm
      #DontBuyTheTelegraph is starting to trend on Twitter. Would be good if those on twitter give this a tweet.

      Keep gnawing away at the c**t, wear him down relentlessy as he and his fuhrer Thatcher attempted to do to Liverpool in days gone by.
      Cameron, Clegg are you watching.
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #22: Apr 04, 2013 01:42:11 pm
      The evil little troll has got a job writing for the Daily Telegraph online, no wonder they're introducing a subsription service.

      How the F**k do people keep hiring him?! Seriously!
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      Reply #23: Apr 04, 2013 06:07:34 pm
      How the F**k do people keep hiring him?! Seriously!

      The establishment takes care of it's own, the c**t in question is a lost cause for them and they know it. He will be abandoned by them and made a sacrificial example.
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      Reply #24: Apr 05, 2013 04:35:06 pm
      The establishment takes care of it's own, the c**t in question is a lost cause for them and they know it. He will be abandoned by them and made a sacrificial example.

      Aye Aye Cap'n.

      It all comes to those who wait.
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      Reply #25: Apr 05, 2013 04:48:16 pm
      Aye Aye Cap'n.

      It all comes to those who wait.

      As you say Skip and we have waited too long for the real culprits to be hung out to dry, or in the case of Thatcher just hung out.
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #26: Apr 08, 2013 11:05:37 am
      The Telegraph have confirmed that it was a one off thing and Mckenzie will not write for them again.
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      Reply #27: Apr 08, 2013 12:15:31 pm
      The Telegraph have confirmed that it was a one off thing and Mckenzie will not write for them again.

      It was only some online nonesense anyway and the F***ing leper has been dispensed with whether or not.
      The c**t is in status free fall and there is still some way to plummet.
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #28: Apr 08, 2013 12:18:02 pm
      Yes, excellent news. Have the telegraph made a statement confirming this. I know other media sources and Henry Winter have said as much. It would be good to see their reason if they give one.
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      Reply #29: Apr 08, 2013 12:30:06 pm
      Yes, excellent news. Have the telegraph made a statement confirming this. I know other media sources and Henry Winter have said as much. It would be good to see their reason if they give one.

      Nothing from the the Telegraph itself but plenty of other broadsheets giving "the unprecedented level of vitriol from the public" as a reason mate.
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      Reply #30: Apr 08, 2013 08:45:06 pm
      It's nice that my first post here is some good news: McKenzie's reputation goes further down the pan as he gets the Daily Mail sues for £200,000 for libel. Couldn't happen to a nicer newspaper!

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/apr/08/kelvin-mackenzie-libel-claim-daily-mail
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      Reply #31: Apr 09, 2013 08:07:58 am
      It's nice that my first post here is some good news: McKenzie's reputation goes further down the pan as he gets the Daily Mail sues for £200,000 for libel. Couldn't happen to a nicer newspaper!

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/apr/08/kelvin-mackenzie-libel-claim-daily-mail

      Is that the devil on his shoulder coming to get him?



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      Re: Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #32: Apr 18, 2013 03:05:29 pm
      Dropped from The Telegraph thanks to one Jocky Hansen.

      The truth - why the Telegraph dropped Kelvin MacKenzie's column

      Has Kelvin MacKenzie become unemployable? Two weeks ago the former Sun editor lost his online column on the Daily Telegraph after just one effort (see here).

      In July last year, he parted company with the Daily Mail after spending barely a year there as a columnist. Prior to that, from 2005 onwards, he wrote a column for the Sun.

      It is also apparent that he is no longer the maverick right-wing voice of choice for BBC1's Question Time or Radio 4's Any Questions.

      Why should this be? In a word, Hillsborough. Twenty-four years on from the tragedy he cannot escape the fury of the people of Liverpool for his front page that defamed the city's football fans.

      One disastrous decision, to refer to the disgusting and false allegations about Liverpool FC's fans as "The Truth", has haunted him ever since.

      Many scores of the comments below his Telegraph column referred to Hillsborough while others condemned the paper for "dumbing down" by publishing his views.

      But I can reveal the real reason it was decided to drop MacKenzie. I understand that the editor, Tony Gallagher, was made aware by the sports desk of deep upset about the hiring of MacKenzie by its writers, especially its star columnist Alan Hansen.

      Hansen, who played for Liverpool on the day of the Hillsborough tragedy that caused 96 deaths, has always been a strong supporter of the bereaved families.

      Last year, when the Hillsborough Independent Panel report was published, Hansen wrote in the Telegraph of his "respect for the families and the campaigners who have fought so hard for the truth to come out."

      In that article he also wrote:

      "I have encountered ignorance about Hillsborough on many occasions, finding myself having to correct the inaccurate version of events."

      No version of events was more inaccurate than that published by MacKenzie's Sun, so it was unconscionable for Hansen to have him as a Telegraph colleague.

      Nor, I understand, was Hansen the only member of the sports team to object to MacKenzie being hired. Another of the paper's leading football writers protested strongly too.

      Gallagher would also have to take account of the negative publicity should Hansen have resigned. Imagine the headlines about the departure of a respected Match of the Day TV pundit.

      As for MacKenzie's sudden departure from the Mail, the reasons were shrouded in secrecy at the time. The Mail gave no explanation and MacKenzie said he was asked by the investors backing his online TV channel, Sports Tonight, wanted him to "focus on it full time".

      I didn't believe that at the time, as I made clear in a blog post headlined Kelvin MacKenzie's abrupt Mail departure is baffling.

      I pointed out that his final Mail column attracted several don't-go-Kelvin pleas among the 400 or so comments (now reduced to 42, I note).

      So I wondered whether there had been a falling-out with the editor, Paul Dacre. Though denied by MacKenzie, I now understand that I was closer to "the truth" than his infamous Hillsborough headline.

      MacKenzie was extremely upset about the editing of his column, which included the refusal to publish certain items. He regarded this as censorship. It led to a series of row and eventually, after one extremely contentious decision not to run a certain item (the contents of which I cannot disclose), MacKenzie went.

      There was relief also among the Mail's sports staff because of the Hillsborough connection.

      So, for the moment at least (and just possibly forever), MacKenzie's long, colourful and controversial newspaper career is over. He has been censored. And now he truly can focus full time on his own sports venture.


      http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2013/apr/18/kelvin-mackenzie-dailytelegraph
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      Reply #33: Apr 18, 2013 05:04:20 pm
      I cannot tell you how chuffed I am to hear this news. Alan Hanson is an absolute hero, and the final step is to make sure the lying fat f**ker is shamed off out television screens as well.

      One thing though: what could Makenzie possibly have written that was too offensive and/or libellous for the Daily Mail to print?
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      Reply #34: Apr 18, 2013 06:40:19 pm
      Well done Alan Hansen and co. Well done.

      Telegraph were bunch of idiots for even hiring MacKenzie in the first place.
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      Reply #35: Apr 18, 2013 06:53:29 pm
      Instantly thought about Hansen's position when that low piece of scum was signed to write a column for them. Delighted to see they got him removed. Remove the tw*t of an editor who thought it was sensible for the c**t to write for them as well. I like The Daily Telegraph as a paper (along with The Times and The Guardian) but there was no way I was going to read it again for as long as that sh*t was writing for them. Definitely raised questions about the probably declining standards of that paper.

      And I find it so sad that before September the media, broadcast and paper, thought it was ok to employ this monster. We now no longer see him on Question Time even though the truth about his filthy lies was well out there. The media establishment should hang their heads in shame.
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      Reply #36: Apr 18, 2013 07:02:52 pm
      Should've been burned with Thatcher but that c**t's time will come.
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      Reply #37: Apr 18, 2013 07:05:39 pm
      Well done, Jocky.

      Hopefully that vile creature's days writing in newspapers and appearing on TV and radio are finally over.
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      Reply #38: Oct 29, 2014 01:26:29 pm
      Host 'sorry' as MacKenzie appears on show
      The host of BBC1's Pointless quiz has apologised on social media after MacKenzie appeared on the show on Saturday.
      Richard Osman received a number of Tweets subsequently concerning the liars inclusion in the show and responded by saying he totally agreed with their concerns.
      He added that he was unaware of MacKenzie's appearance until an hour prior to the recording of the show and had complained about his presence in the studio.
      Replying to a concerned fan Richard Osman said ''jtlovell1979 Nope, about an hour before. Strongly argued against it''.
      MacKenzie appeared on the show alongside BBC and ITN's former political broadcaster Jon Sergeant.


      http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/pointless-host-richard-osman-apologises-8006447

      Watch Pointless occasionally and always thought Richard Osman was sound, this story more than confirms the perception.
      Could not believe my F***ing eyes when the pr**k showed up and was glad to hear his career has gone rapidly downhill.
      Sensed there was some reservation in Osman's attitude at the time but didn't realise he was so clued up on the lying b***ard, good on ya lad.   
      « Last Edit: Oct 29, 2014 01:41:46 pm by stuey »
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      Re: Hillsborough Families to sue Kelvin MacKenzie
      Reply #39: Oct 30, 2014 04:00:29 pm
      Oh if ever a man deserved to be hung drawn and quartered then this is the man.I urge people to look up the punishment I suggest as I firmly believe it would be appropriate and I would be very willing to assist

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