XBox One Discussion

PS4 is 50% more powerful than the XBOne.

PS4 allows you to play used games. XBOne doesn't.

PS4 has no region lock - you could import a console from Japan and play any games on it. XBOne doesn't allow that, and upon release it's not even going to be working properly in Japan and Macedonia. (WTF, right?)

PS4 doesn't require an internet connection to play. Microsoft have said that XBOne HAS TO check in online once every 24 hours (the theory is that's for surveillance purposes).

PS4 allows you to replace the hard drive with a larger one if you wish. XBOne doesn't.

PS4 has better exclusives.

PS4 is a lot cheaper.

PS4 is faster, more user friendly and doesn't focus on TV. It focuses on GAMING - like every console should.


How is it an assumption if the link I posted and Amazon pre-order figures are right there in front of you? It's now fact, Arrie, that the PS4 is currently outselling the XBOne by more than 20:1 even before release!

Didn't know about all of that, it's now justifying my thoughts of getting the ps4, just like everyone else

You can play used games, you can trade them in just like you would at GAME etc.

Nope, once you install a game it's linked to your account. You can't do anything about that and Microsoft are unwilling to change that.

Yes it is, but like I said the PS3 won on paper last year but I felt the 360 was the better console.

The difference here being that both machines are now running on the x86 instruction set - the same instruction set that PCs use. That means the difference on paper will also transfer over to real-time performance, and it will reflect significantly through frames per second.

Don't see the big deal in this, everyone has internet and Microsoft have themselves said it takes just a few seconds so if your internet is down you could just use your phone as a wi-fi hotspot.

Okay, so what about the guys in the army? What are they going to do with no internet? What about countries with limited or no internet? Microsoft haven't thought this through. They haven't even explained why consoles need to check in online.

Ok this sounds strange, although it not working in Macedonia doesn't really affect me!

But it's not about it affecting you, it's about it affecting the general audience. If it doesn't work in any particular countries it's affecting millions upon millions of potential buyers and Microsoft are severely harming their reputation by doing this.

Fair point, although I can't see myself wanting to use more than 500GB?

Again, it's not just down to your particular preferences, but the preferences of the general audience. You may not think you'll use 500GB, but when you're forced to install some games to play them properly you'll need more than 500GB. Plus it's always nice to have an upgrade path and not be limited in what you can do.

Yes it is, but then again Xbox are throwing in a years Xbox LIVE for free whilst PS are making you get PS+, so there's some of the difference made up already.

Considering XBL is now considered to be worse than PS+, I should think that M$ would be giving out XBL for free anyway.

PS+ offers great deals on games every month (and some free games), plus games inclusive when you buy the PS4, better online features and a larger variety of more secure, stable servers.

PS4 is 50% more powerful than the XBOne.

PS4 allows you to play used games. XBOne doesn't.

PS4 has no region lock - you could import a console from Japan and play any games on it. XBOne doesn't allow that, and upon release it's not even going to be working properly in Japan and Macedonia. (WTF, right?)

PS4 doesn't require an internet connection to play. Microsoft have said that XBOne HAS TO check in online once every 24 hours (the theory is that's for surveillance purposes).

PS4 allows you to replace the hard drive with a larger one if you wish. XBOne doesn't.

PS4 has better exclusives.

PS4 is a lot cheaper.

PS4 is faster, more user friendly and doesn't focus on TV. It focuses on GAMING - like every console should.


How is it an assumption if the link I posted and Amazon pre-order figures are right there in front of you? It's now fact, Arrie, that the PS4 is currently outselling the XBOne by more than 20:1 even before release!

. You're a PS fan boy.

This all information is false. It would thought that you would do a bit of research but hey.

Where did you get that PS4 is a massive 50% more powerful than Xbox. I would love to know that, have you ever seen the specs of both the consoles?

Xbox 360 also had restricted regions. Did it hamper the sales of it?

About the 24 hour internet check. We all are connected to internet 24/7. We all love to play multiplayer. What's the problem then? If you are going on a vacation. Surely you're Phone has a Internet access? Right? You may as well take the necessary update connecting the Xbox from your phone.

Xbox one allows you to upgrade your memory through external hard-drives and USBs.

So much of your 20:1 sales.

For every two Xbox One consoles that are pre-ordered, three PlayStation 4 consoles are reserved, according to new data from U.S. retailers.
Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/news/ps4-outpaces-xbox-one-in-pre-order-numbers-98052/#D4Q7ZQlwklDgbDCt.99

Nope, once you install a game it's linked to your account. You can't do anything about that and Microsoft are unwilling to change that.


The difference here being that both machines are now running on the x86 instruction set - the same instruction set that PCs use. That means the difference on paper will also transfer over to real-time performance, and it will reflect significantly through frames per second.


Okay, so what about the guys in the army? What are they going to do with no internet? What about countries with limited or no internet? Microsoft haven't thought this through. They haven't even explained why consoles need to check in online.


But it's not about it affecting you, it's about it affecting the general audience. If it doesn't work in any particular countries it's affecting millions upon millions of potential buyers and Microsoft are severely harming their reputation by doing this.


Again, it's not just down to your particular preferences, but the preferences of the general audience. You may not think you'll use 500GB, but when you're forced to install some games to play them properly you'll need more than 500GB. Plus it's always nice to have an upgrade path and not be limited in what you can do.


Considering XBL is now considered to be worse than PS+, I should think that M$ would be giving out XBL for free anyway.

PS+ offers great deals on games every month (and some free games), plus games inclusive when you buy the PS4, better online features and a larger variety of more secure, stable servers.

Again mate, No research, only wild guesses.


Nope, once you install a game it's linked to your account. You can't do anything about that and Microsoft are unwilling to change that. For the love of God. You have ZERO knowledge about Xbox one.

The difference here being that both machines are now running on the x86 instruction set - the same instruction set that PCs use. That means the difference on paper will also transfer over to real-time performance, and it will reflect significantly through frames per second. The specs of PS4 and Xbox are almost the same.

Again, it's not just down to your particular preferences, but the preferences of the general audience. You may not think you'll use 500GB, but when you're forced to install some games to play them properly you'll need more than 500GB. Plus it's always nice to have an upgrade path and not be limited in what you can do. Again the 500 hard drive is up-gradable.

Considering XBL is now considered to be worse than PS+, I should think that M$ would be giving out XBL for free anyway.

PS+ offers great deals on games every month (and some free games), plus games inclusive when you buy the PS4, better online features and a larger variety of more secure, stable servers. I bet you haven't used the XBL. It's light years better than PSN. I have my PS3 and the PSN is terrible. Xbox is now giving 2 new games every month to GOLD users starting with Fable3 , Assasins creed 3, Halo 3.

. You're a PS fan boy.

Nope, I prefer PC myself, but carry on. If anything, I'd say you're more of an XB fanboy than anything. But that's fine, each to their own - right? I'm sure it won't let your sheer arrogance shine through -- oh wait. Too late for that.

This all information is false. It would though that you would do a bit of research but hey.

For starters, "this all information"? What? I'll ignore how that bit made absolutely NO sense for the time being and ask how you came to that conclusion first. I have done my research, believe me on that.

Where did you get that PS4 is a massive 50% more powerful than Xbox. I would love to know that, have you ever seen the specs of both the consoles?

Of course I've seen the specs. Haven't you? If you have then you'd obviously realise that I'm speaking sense here. Here's an image to demonstrate how much sense I'm speaking:



You're welcome.

Xbox 360 also had restricted regions. Did it hamper the sales of it?

Not for the first year, but the PS3 caught up and is now overtaking the 360 in terms of sales, so in the long run it has actually hampered sales. Besides, we're not talking about the 360 here - we're talking about the XBOne. Which is going to flop. Miserably. One reason WILL be because its main competitor is completely region-free while the XBOne isn't even enabled in Japan. Massive mistake. Absolutely astronomical.

About the 24 hour internet check. We all are connected to internet 24/7. We all love to play multiplayer. What's the problem then? If you are going on a vacation. Surely you're Phone has a Internet access? Right? You may as well take the necessary update connecting the Xbox from your phone.

As I said before - Army, countries with limited/no internet. What the F**k are they going to do? Buy an XBOne and twiddle their thumbs? Uh, nah. They'd buy a PS4.

And it's "your".

Xbox one allows you to upgrade your memory through external hard-drives and USBs.

So? Why should anybody have to use external devices? The hard drive itself should be upgradeable and it clearly isn't. You can change the PS4's hard drive in the blink of an eye, so why not XBOne's?

So much of your 20:1 sales.

For every two Xbox One consoles that are pre-ordered, three PlayStation 4 consoles are reserved, according to new data from U.S. retailers.
Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/news/ps4-outpaces-xbox-one-in-pre-order-numbers-98052/#D4Q7ZQlwklDgbDCt.99

It's obvious I was talking about Amazon, but congratulations (!!) you found a random Christian website that, for some reason, is focusing on fabricated sales figures. No more sources, or was that the only one that came up on Google to back up your little theory?

Again mate, No research, only wild guesses.

Yup, that's it, I'm guessing. I got ALL my information correct by guessing.

For the love of God. You have ZERO knowledge about Xbox one.

Games are account-linked. Go and do your research, then come back to me. They. Are. Account. Linked.

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-discs-linked-to-user-accounts-additional-fee-for-used-games/
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4352314/xbox-one-hard-drive-game-installs

The specs of PS4 and Xbox are almost the same.

Some are, but not the specs that matter (i.e. GPU floating point operations, shaders, (V)RAM speed). So in the GPU aspect, the PS4 is easily 50% faster. Easily.

Again the 500 hard drive is up-gradable.

Mmm. No it's not.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hard-drive/

I bet you haven't used the XBL. It's light years better than PSN. I have my PS3 and the PSN is terrible. Xbox is now giving 2 new games every month to GOLD users starting with Fable3 , Assasins creed 3, Halo 3.

Yeah, those games won't be for the XBOne, just the 360. And yes I have used XBL, it's good, don't get me wrong on that. But the way Sony have pitched PS+ for PS4 and beyond is what I'm basing my opinion on. They're helping indie developers, they're doing deals on games every month, they're focusing on what the user wants. Not what the company wants. Oh, and their servers are more stable.

Oh, and a few funny things about the XBOne, too. Just to prove to you I've been "doing my research":

- Microsoft wouldn't trust their beta console to showcase XBOne at E3, so they used a PC running Windows 7 and an Nvidia GPU:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1400735/cb-xbox-one-games-at-e3-were-running-on-windows-7-with-nvidia-gtx-cards/0_30

- If you get banned on XBL on XBOne, all the games you bought will be wiped and you can never play them again without purchasing a new XBL account and new copies of games:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1400943/twitter-microsoft-if-you-get-banned-you-forfeit-all-games-installed/0_30

Oops?

I have a 360, and I like it and also like Xbox live. But no way I'm getting a One. It's pretty obvious to me that Microsoft are f**king up. Their system is less powerful, more restricted and more expensive than the PS4. Basically all my mates who have a 360 think the same, I expect Microsoft to really have problems this generation, they could really hurt. Which isn't good really, competition is good.

Also, those Amazon order figures are worrying for Microsoft, because those are directly done by customers. Retail orders are not, they're done by the retailers, they order for stock too.

I have a 360, and I like it and also like Xbox live. But no way I'm getting a One. It's pretty obvious to me that Microsoft are f**king up. Their system is less powerful, more restricted and more expensive than the PS4. Basically all my mates who have a 360 think the same, I expect Microsoft to really have problems this generation, they could really hurt.

Yep, pretty much where I am. I love my 360 and will continue to use it but for the next gen, I'm not interested in the One.
Besides, my missus has pre-ordered me a PS4 

Yep, pretty much where I am. I love my 360 and will continue to use it but for the next gen, I'm not interested in the One.
Besides, my missus has pre-ordered me a PS4 

Same here. I've got no allegiances. I just pick whichever console is the obvious best choice. Since the PS1 it's been the Xbox and the 360 but clearly the One, the worst name they could have chosen, is already a huge flop. The emphasis on TV just baffles me. We all already have TVs to watch TV on because otherwise we wouldn't have a TV to use the console with Microsoft you tw*ts.

Mircosoft and the One remind me a bit like modern football. Little fees here, rules here, sit down shut up there...lots of money for something that used to be cheap and simple. The used game F**k up made the PS4 the easiest console decision I've ever made.

Sadly, my missus has not pre-ordered me a PS4

Res, Mate.



Both the consoles have almost the same specs like I've mentioned before. So how's PS4 is 50% better? People are putting TOO MUCH value in the GPU specs, the OS architecture and the development tools Microsoft offers easily offsets the base differences, in addition to the RAM and asset handling technologies of the OS level GPU scheduler.


Not for the first year, but the PS3 caught up and is now overtaking the 360 in terms of sales, so in the long run it has actually hampered sales. Besides, we're not talking about the 360 here - we're talking about the XBOne. Which is going to flop. Miserably. One reason WILL be because its main competitor is completely region-free while the XBOne isn't even enabled in Japan. Massive mistake. Absolutely astronomical.
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1760932/xbox_360_sales_still_better_than_ps3_npd.html

Major Nelson has confirmed that Xbox 360 is still the #1 selling console.

As I said before - Army, countries with limited/no internet. What the f**k are they going to do? Buy an XBOne and twiddle their thumbs? Uh, nah. They'd buy a PS4.

Well, There is satellite internet available for the army. My Afghan friends Skype their family often. I don't which Army men are your referring here.


So? Why should anybody have to use external devices? The hard drive itself should be upgradeable and it clearly isn't. You can change the PS4's hard drive in the blink of an eye, so why not XBOne's?

I don't see any harm in it. It's a cheaper way to upgrade your HD. You can buy a 500 gig hard-drive for as low as 60 dollars.

It's obvious I was talking about Amazon, but congratulations (!!) you found a random Christian website that, for some reason, is focusing on fabricated sales figures. No more sources, or was that the only one that came up on Google to back up your little theory?

Well, I for one haven't heard or seen anything related to your astronomical claims. 20:1 theory is a joke. I could be voting for PS4 and I may not buy it in the future.


http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hard-drive/Yeah, those games won't be for the XBOne, just the 360. And yes I have used XBL, it's good, don't get me wrong on that. But the way Sony have pitched PS+ for PS4 and beyond is what I'm basing my opinion on. They're helping indie developers, they're doing deals on games every month, they're focusing on what the user wants. Not what the company wants. Oh, and their servers are more stable.

Allright, If Sony charges for PSN, then they're helping indie developers, MS does the same, then they are just money grabbing people. I get it.

Both the consoles have almost the same specs like I've mentioned before. So how's PS4 is 50% better? People are putting TOO MUCH value in the GPU specs, the OS architecture and the development tools Microsoft offers easily offsets the base differences, in addition to the RAM and asset handling technologies of the OS level GPU scheduler.

OS architecture? No such thing. It's all based on the instruction set, and both the PS4 and XBOne run on x86. The same as PCs.

The GPU matters, a LOT, on x86. Trust me on that.

Also you'll need to look at the memory specs too. GDDR5 vs DDR3, GDDR5 wins every time by over 100%. Look at the bandwidth throughput.

Major Nelson has confirmed that Xbox 360 is still the #1 selling console.

"Overtaking" being the key word I used. Hasn't yet, but will.

Well, There is satellite internet available for the army. My Afghan friends Skype their family often. I don't which Army men are your referring here.

Many friends I speak to have never had internet access in the Army.

I don't see any harm in it. It's a cheaper way to upgrade your HD. You can buy a 500 gig hard-drive for as low as 60 dollars.

You can buy a 1TB HD (a proper one) for $40. And it's more reliable, faster as it uses the SATA interface and not USB and generally better for storage.

Well, I for one haven't heard or seen anything related to your astronomical claims. 20:1 theory is a joke. I could be voting for PS4 and I may not buy it in the future.

I posted links to it earlier in the thread...

Allright, If Sony charges for PSN, then they're helping indie developers, MS does the same, then they are just money grabbing people. I get it.

No, Sony are just actively encouraging Indie developers to carry on making games so they can release them on the Playstation Store. Both companies win.

Also:

OS architecture? No such thing. It's all based on the instruction set, and both the PS4 and XBOne run on x86. The same as PCs.

The GPU matters, a LOT, on x86. Trust me on that.

Also you'll need to look at the memory specs too. GDDR5 vs DDR3, GDDR5 wins every time by over 100%. Look at the bandwidth throughput.
In RAW DX9 level gaming performance the GPU in the PS3 is 'technically' faster than the DX10/11 based GPU in the Xbox 360. However, as the world has witnessed again and again, the Xbox 360's GPU handling continues to beat the PS3.

"Overtaking" being the key word I used. Hasn't yet, but will.

Maybe, Maybe not but the FACT is Xbox 360 has more sales than PS3

Many friends I speak to have never had internet access in the Army.
You can buy a 1TB HD (a proper one) for $40. And it's more reliable, faster as it uses the SATA interface and not USB and generally better for storage.

This makes my argument even stronger. I can upgrade my storage dirt cheap. I am using external HD for my 360. Hasn't give me any problem.

Amazon link
Well, according the link, I can only see numbers, doesn't tell me that users have actually pre-ordered the consoles or not

No, Sony are just actively encouraging Indie developers to carry on making games so they can release them on the Playstation Store. Both companies win.

Maybe the PSN is so sh*t. They can now make it worthwhile.

Also:

I actually though, Xbox had a much better E3. They showed some quality titles and was really impressed. Sony also had some good titles but half of the games they showed were not even exclusives.

They edged off the E3 with the no DRM announcement. Which I am with Sony for this thing. Hate the Xbox policies.

In RAW DX9 level gaming performance the GPU in the PS3 is 'technically' faster than the DX10/11 based GPU in the Xbox 360. However, as the world has witnessed again and again, the Xbox 360's GPU handling continues to beat the PS3.

Sigh, two things:

Firstly, Sony aren't using DX9 with Cell. The equivalent would technically be DX10 anyway.

Secondly, they're both using x86. Both using DX11 GPUs. Numbers matter. I build PCs, I know everything I need to about this hardware, I know what kind of game they're playing, I study this information every day. Raw processing power on the x86 instruction set matters, no matter what OS you're using.

Maybe, Maybe not but the FACT is Xbox 360 has more sales than PS3

And there's also the FACT that they've lost sales to Sony due to region-lock. Even after having a year's head-start they're not where they think they should be.

This makes my argument even stronger. I can upgrade my storage dirt cheap. I am using external HD for my 360. Hasn't give me any problem.

Does it? I was talking about a proper mechanical hard drive. They're cheaper and better than your slower, below-par, average, external hard drives. So if anything it weakens your argument, as the XBOne can't upgrade its mechanical drive.

Well, according the link, I can only see numbers, doesn't tell me that users have actually pre-ordered the consoles or not

The link is for verified Amazon pre-orders.

Maybe the PSN is so sh*t. They can now make it worthwhile.

You ever used PSN? It's anything but sh*t (granted it's not as good as XBL on current-gen, but that's all changing ).

I actually though, Xbox had a much better E3. They showed some quality titles and was really impressed. Sony also had some good titles but half of the games they showed were not even exclusives.

Exclusives aren't going to impact a consoles sales as much as features would. If Microsoft had a much better E3, why couldn't they show the XBOne running games? Why did they have to use a PC running Windows 7? Do they distrust their console that much right now?

Still undecided on which next gen console to get, I used to love my ps 1 then ps2, got an xbox (the massive original one) and It was great, mostly because of the games available, then got the 360, played on a ps3 and didn't really like the games that were out at the time so kinda became a xbox fan boy if you will. Now after watching the "reveals" Iam really not sure which one to get, I love sonys policys on pre-owned games, as I am a big fan and buyer of pre-owned titles, mostly the games you kinda like the look of but don't fancy spending £50 when its realised so I wait a couple of months and get it cheaper, and really don't mind paying for an online pass if the games good enough multiplayer. I also have no real issues with xbl, its very rare I cant connect and love the fact a I can watch sky through it. I do have a problem with there policys, I don't see why its so wrong to buy a pre-owned game or lend a game of a friends or family, which I also do, and again, if its a good game, online, I'll buy the pass and the game myself, pre-owned, of course. and also why do they need to check up on you every 24 hours??? sounds quite, dare I say it, "Big brother" to me. Stories about Kinect will prevent kids playing 18 rated games like cod or films, isn't that my job as a parent if I want to allow my kids play or watch it, or yours for your children? and it could even detect more than 5 people watching a film and refuse to play it. these are rumours Ive heard Iam not saying there facts, but from what M$'s own press releases say, It really wouldn't surprise me. I think they've strayed too far from what a console primary function is, To play games, sony on the other hand seem to be embracing that fact, so on that, I think I've convinced myself I'll be a PS4 owner very soon.

I think they've strayed too far from what a console primary function is, To play games, sony on the other hand seem to be embracing that fact, so on that, I think I've convinced myself I'll be a PS4 owner very soon.

That's the main point for me, regardless of any other rumours.

buys ps4 for $399:
>gets on PS4
>puts in game
>plays Game
>has fun

buys xbox one for $499:
>gets home
>plugs it in
>tries to put in game
>forgets that you HAVE to have xbox live to play any game no matter if it's single player or multi
>gets out credit card and buys month of xbox live for 10$
>tries to play
>forgot kinect HAS to be plugged in for the xbox to work
>plugs in kinect and tries again
>game still won't work because it is a used copy of the game because used ones don't work
>go back and buy a new copy for 60$
>come back and wait 30 minutes for it to see if its new
>finally starts game after 4 hours
>gets ready to play the new dead rising 3
>little brother comes in my room
>little brother yells "XBOX OFF!" and it turns off
>start to cry
>get cancer because of xbox one
>have to live the next 30 years in a hospital because you're dying alone
>die at age 46 because of xbox one
 
 
Not all right, but still funny

If anyone is interested this is coming in the middle of November in the UK, well before the PS4 launch.

Pre-ordered it.

Can't wait.

Pre-ordered it.

Can't wait.

As have I. Really hoping Battlefield, Assassins Creed, Cod are all available on day 1, as from what I've seen all have been announced to release before the estimated Xbox One release

Release for this has been delayed from November to somewhere in 2014 for my country the Netherlands, aswell as for Belgium, Russia, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland.

Aaand Microsoft F**k up yet again.

Clearly unexpected!

Preordered my PS4 a couple months back. I'll probably be picking up Watch Dogs, Fifa 14 and a second controller on launch day, as well as AC4 not long after that. Just can't wait for November 29.