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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #3060: Aug 26, 2018 05:33:30 pm
      But why grant it for Karius?

      I think it's a sign that Jürgen's confidence in Karius completely collapsed after his performances in pre-season and, with Ward already gone, he decided Migs was the safer option as #2 for this year.


      Probably because Jürgen likes Karius more plus perhaps no one wanted Migs anyway
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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #3061: Aug 26, 2018 05:56:02 pm
      But why grant it for Karius?

      I think it's a sign that Jürgen's confidence in Karius completely collapsed after his performances in pre-season and, with Ward already gone, he decided Migs was the safer option as #2 for this year.


      Look at it another way, what clubs with serious offers came in for Mignolet?

      That may or may not have been the deciding factor in the end.
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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #3062: Aug 26, 2018 06:01:39 pm
      I am on Migs side here. Klopp treated him nasty, just like he treated Weidenfeller when he was @Dortmund. Even when Migs was #1 Jürgen played Karius in CL which was a direct hit into Migs balls.

      As I see it, Jürgen is the kind of 'behind your back' boss, the kind of smiling guy that never tells you straight up in the face but lets you know between the lines you're not wanted and that can get on your nerves.

      Of course in the matter Jürgen is right: Migs is not good enough if you strive for PL and CL, he'll cost u 3-5 goals any season and that's too much in that "thin air". Karius is worse than Migs, so we better have Migs as a back-up to Becker and Karius can go elsewhere while we gain some loan money.
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      Reply #3063: Aug 26, 2018 06:08:10 pm
      I am on Migs side here. Klopp treated him nasty, just like he treated Weidenfeller when he was @Dortmund. Even when Migs was #1 Jürgen played Karius in CL which was a direct hit into Migs balls.

      As I see it, Jürgen is the kind of 'behind your back' boss, the kind of smiling guy that never tells you straight up in the face but lets you know between the lines you're not wanted and that can get on your nerves.

      Of course in the matter Jürgen is right: Migs is not good enough if you strive for PL and CL, he'll cost u 3-5 goals any season and that's too much in that "thin air". Karius is worse than Migs, so we better have Migs as a back-up to Becker and Karius can go elsewhere while we gain some loan money.

      What a load of sh*t. Karius is not worse than Mignolet as evidenced by our improved form once he became number 1 in January. You go on to say 'Migs was treated badly by Jürgen' and then side with him in believing him to not be good enough.

      'Nasty'? Behave yourself.
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      Reply #3064: Aug 26, 2018 06:20:01 pm
      Well that's a sense of humour failure instantly. Karius wasn't even mentioned in my post!


      Well if Migs was Blazing Squad, who was The Beatles in your hilarious analogy? Not Alisson, obviously, cos we were talking about whether Migs should be our #2. Obviously nobody would prefer him to Alisson.

      (I do remember, though, some people preferring Karius to Alisson as our #1 this season, when we were debating whether to sign the latter. Now that whole debate really was funny. Or more like - we can laugh about it now, but at the time it was terrible. Karius as our #1 this season really doesn't bear thinking about these days, does it?)


      Mignolet's w*nk. Get over it. That he, unlike any other player in the squad, continues to brief against Klopp and his decisions in the media is a mark of the man. An utterly delusional fella who's biggest claim to fame will be to have become the worst keeper in the Premier League during his time with us costing us hundreds of millions of pounds in revenue because of his suicidal goalkeeping. Frankensteinian levels of horror. There was a time for sympathy and support. That was a long long time ago.

      Now he just actively undermines the club and our manager...and not just with his performances.

      Sounds like you should be agreeing with me in being surprised that he is the one who has been retained as our #2.

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      Reply #3065: Aug 26, 2018 06:20:14 pm
      I am on Migs side here. Klopp treated him nasty, just like he treated Weidenfeller when he was @Dortmund. Even when Migs was #1 Jürgen played Karius in CL which was a direct hit into Migs balls.

      As I see it, Jürgen is the kind of 'behind your back' boss, the kind of smiling guy that never tells you straight up in the face but lets you know between the lines you're not wanted and that can get on your nerves.

      Of course in the matter Jürgen is right: Migs is not good enough if you strive for PL and CL, he'll cost u 3-5 goals any season and that's too much in that "thin air". Karius is worse than Migs, so we better have Migs as a back-up to Becker and Karius can go elsewhere while we gain some loan money.

      So he's not a soft c**t then?

      Good, exactly the type of boss we need, no sentimentality. That is the type of behaviour Paisley would of showed and look how successful he was.

      What Liverpool FC of old was - f**king ruthless!!
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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #3066: Aug 26, 2018 06:42:14 pm
      Look at it another way, what clubs with serious offers came in for Mignolet?

      That may or may not have been the deciding factor in the end.

      Could be.

      What would be a serious offer for Migs? On the assessment of him on here, we should be begging other clubs to take him off our hands. Pretty sure we'd get some takers if we were giving him away.

      From the manager's point of view though, I think you make the decision of who you keep and who you let go on the basis of who you think is going to be best for the role. You don't let Karius go if you think he is the better option for us as back up to Alisson. Not unless somebody bids really silly money. And I don't think a loan move to Besiktas counts as silly money. Basically we've just got him off the wage bill.

      I think the bottom line is that Jürgen has decided Migs is the safer back up option.
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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #3067: Aug 26, 2018 08:14:09 pm
      You go on to say 'Migs was treated badly by Jürgen' and then side with him in believing him to not be good enough.


      Because I don't like the way. Jürgen should have given Mig his #1 status and see how he responds. Instead he gave him #1 status - while at the same time installing Karius for CL - diminishing publicly Migs #1 status ASAP, showing him basically: you are not the future, buddy. That's dealing underhand. And of course that frustrates Migs because he feels unwanted.
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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #3068: Aug 26, 2018 08:27:32 pm
      Because I don't like the way. Jürgen should have given Mig his #1 status and see how he responds. Instead he gave him #1 status - while at the same time installing Karius for CL - diminishing publicly Migs #1 status ASAP, showing him basically: you are not the future, buddy. That's dealing underhand. And of course that frustrates Migs because he feels unwanted.

      These are grown men who have left home, earning a load of cash, whether they play or not. Play, not work.

      They are not 4 year old children who still wet the bed, looking for attention.

      JFC, this is what's wrong with the world.
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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #3069: Aug 26, 2018 09:14:33 pm
      Because I don't like the way. Jürgen should have given Mig his #1 status and see how he responds. Instead he gave him #1 status - while at the same time installing Karius for CL - diminishing publicly Migs #1 status ASAP, showing him basically: you are not the future, buddy. That's dealing underhand. And of course that frustrates Migs because he feels unwanted.
      What a pile of horse crap. Mignolet was sh*te well before Karius got a chance, he diminished himself. The only reason Karius has gone and not Mignolet is because he is on lower wages so other teams saw it as a better option for a keeper sitting on their bench on loan from us. We will be stuck with him until his contract is up. Klopp should not have given him a long contract. Last season was when the penny dropped with Klopp and he didn't want an early exit from CL, then he realized with Mignolet we might not get in next seasons CL so he got completely dropped. Then realized Karius was just as bad! We look to have a decent keeper now though, but Danny Ward should be number two. We cashed in on him though, he has potential and Mignolet doesn't.. which is why nobody brought or loaned Mignolet and they took the just as sh*te option in Karius for a lower wage.. leaving us with an expensive paper keeper for #2. We cashed in on Ward at 12.5m to lower the blow of the Alisson fee, despite Ward being a better option as #2 than Karius or Mignolet.. nobody will pay that kind of money for Mignolet and also other teams might be able to make Ward #1, we couldn't. So now it is clear, Alisson #1 Mignolet #2.  Klopp did the right thing to ease Mignolet out of the starting role.
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      Reply #3070: Aug 26, 2018 09:31:51 pm
      These are grown men who have left home, earning a load of cash, whether they play or not. Play, not work.

      They are not 4 year old children who still wet the bed, looking for attention.

      JFC, this is what's wrong with the world.

      Yeah - something pathetically infantile about it all.
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      Reply #3071: Aug 26, 2018 09:35:02 pm
      These are grown men who have left home, earning a load of cash, whether they play or not. Play, not work.

      They are not 4 year old children who still wet the bed, looking for attention.

      JFC, this is what's wrong with the world.

      If that was what's wrong with the world we'd be on easy street.

      Anyway, can the fact that the guy wants to play, rather than just take the money and sit on the bench, be held against him?

      I guess the fact that he has let it be known in the press that he's unhappy and would like a move is bound to piss people off somewhat. But Big Virgil downed tools at his last club when he wanted a move, for example. I'm still glad we signed him and don't hold it too much against him at a personal level. Migs has been out in the cold for a year, having been fu**ed about a bit as a #1 who suddenly kept needing rested for big games. No doubt Jürgen had his reasons, and he's not exactly got much wrong when it comes to man management, but from Migs point of view obviously he didn't find it too pleasant, and would like to leave. He has let it be known he's not happy, but ( so far anyway) he's not downed tools or done anything really out of order.

      He was not good enough to be our #1, and I think it might have been better if he left. But if Jürgen wants him to stay, I see no reason to go after him at a personal level, and I hope he gets decent backing from fans if he is called on this season.

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      Re: Simon Mignolet Player Thread
      Reply #3072: Aug 27, 2018 08:44:31 am
      Can you imagine if Karius had stayed and had to come on for us at Stamford Bridge or Old Toilet the sort of abuse he'd get? You just don't know how he'd react to it. His confidence is absolutely fu**ed and there's no way we can afford to have a number 2 whos head is gone.

      Simon had to stay instead of Karius and while he has a right to be frustrated he should be shutting the f**k up instead of talking to the press. Doing himself no favours.
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      Reply #3073: Aug 27, 2018 09:20:05 am
      If that was what's wrong with the world we'd be on easy street.

      Anyway, can the fact that the guy wants to play, rather than just take the money and sit on the bench, be held against him?

      I guess the fact that he has let it be known in the press that he's unhappy and would like a move is bound to piss people off somewhat. But Big Virgil downed tools at his last club when he wanted a move, for example. I'm still glad we signed him and don't hold it too much against him at a personal level. Migs has been out in the cold for a year, having been fu**ed about a bit as a #1 who suddenly kept needing rested for big games. No doubt Jürgen had his reasons, and he's not exactly got much wrong when it comes to man management, but from Migs point of view obviously he didn't find it too pleasant, and would like to leave. He has let it be known he's not happy, but ( so far anyway) he's not downed tools or done anything really out of order.

      He was not good enough to be our #1, and I think it might have been better if he left. But if Jürgen wants him to stay, I see no reason to go after him at a personal level, and I hope he gets decent backing from fans if he is called on this season.



      How exactly would a reserve keeper down tools? Migs has had chance after chance after bloody chance and consistently failed to impress. He has nothing to feel upset about but if he does then he can buy himself out of his contract and f**k off to some other club.
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      Reply #3074: Aug 27, 2018 06:11:42 pm
      Moans in the media about his limited options at Liverpool, admits he wants to leave. And then we find out that he could have gone to Fulham when he had the chance but chose not to. Couldn't make it up.

      https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/27/liverpool-refuse-simon-mignolet-leave-anfield
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      Reply #3075: Aug 27, 2018 09:35:44 pm
      Not even good enough to be deputy. Still not sure how the hell he is still at the club.
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      Reply #3076: Aug 27, 2018 09:38:24 pm
      Moans in the media about his limited options at Liverpool, admits he wants to leave. And then we find out that he could have gone to Fulham when he had the chance but chose not to. Couldn't make it up.

      https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/27/liverpool-refuse-simon-mignolet-leave-anfield

      About as muddled and incompetent in his career decisions as he is on the field.
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      Reply #3077: Aug 27, 2018 11:30:59 pm
      He’s hoping to force his way out Mama style.

      That’s all - trouble is he’s thoroughly unwanted given he’s consistently proven himself not to be approaching top class.

      End of.
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      Reply #3078: Aug 27, 2018 11:33:56 pm
      How exactly would a reserve keeper down tools? Migs has had chance after chance after bloody chance and consistently failed to impress. He has nothing to feel upset about but if he does then he can buy himself out of his contract and f**k off to some other club.

      Been here years and had f**king so many chances and still couldn’t nail it down. He’s f**king sh*te and I hope we never see him in the first team ever again.
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      Reply #3079: Aug 29, 2018 12:45:54 am
      Could be.

      What would be a serious offer for Migs? On the assessment of him on here, we should be begging other clubs to take him off our hands. Pretty sure we'd get some takers if we were giving him away.

      From the manager's point of view though, I think you make the decision of who you keep and who you let go on the basis of who you think is going to be best for the role. You don't let Karius go if you think he is the better option for us as back up to Alisson. Not unless somebody bids really silly money. And I don't think a loan move to Besiktas counts as silly money. Basically we've just got him off the wage bill.

      I think the bottom line is that Jürgen has decided Migs is the safer back up option.

      I think Migs is the safer backup.

      Karius’ confidence is shot after the CL final.  Migs can slot in from time to time in cup games.
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      Reply #3080: Aug 29, 2018 05:02:58 am
      I think Migs is the safer backup.

      Karius’ confidence is shot after the CL final.  Migs can slot in from time to time in cup games.

      ”Migs” and “safe” are 2 words that simply can’t be used in the same sentence.
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      Reply #3081: Aug 29, 2018 08:16:34 am
      ”Migs” and “safe” are 2 words that simply can’t be used in the same sentence.

      True but I do agree that he is our best option at #2 at the moment, Karius would have been seriously scary and the other 2 lads are a bit to inexperienced at the moment.
      In any case lets all pray that Alisson never gets injured.
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      Reply #3082: Aug 30, 2018 09:59:01 am
      I think Migs is the safer backup.

      Karius’ confidence is shot after the CL final.  Migs can slot in from time to time in cup games.

      Yeah I think Migs is a safer option than Karius, although I'd probably have preferred to keep Ward and move on the other 2.
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      Reply #3083: Aug 30, 2018 10:37:30 am
      Yeah I think Migs is a safer option than Karius, although I'd probably have preferred to keep Ward and move on the other 2.

      What is this thing people have with Ward, he is a completely unproven keeper and there must be some reason that he was never tried by Klopp despite us only having Mignolet and Karius as our options last season.
      I seem to remember the same demand for Bogdan to play ;-)


      I am however slightly confused why Ward would chose to be the #2 with Leicester rather than #2/3 with us. Even if Leicester sell Schmeical I very much doubt that he'd be the #1 there.
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      Reply #3084: Aug 30, 2018 02:01:34 pm
      ”Migs” and “safe” are 2 words that simply can’t be used in the same sentence.

      Come on. When he played in the league last season he was pretty stable apart from that distance goal of Xhaka and one/two questionable scenes. That's top standard. We'll see Alisson, but he had already one questionable moment last game, so we should not judge Migs too harshly. Migs would be a super premium #2.

      Karius on the other hand is just shot. I also didn't like his showboating (car with #1, instagram junkie,...) when he didn't accomplish anything, plus his women-like whining in Kiev instead of at least performing to be a man. He never belonged here and personally I'm glad he's gone. We don't need Metro-Beckhams here, we need dudes with balls.
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      Reply #3085: Aug 30, 2018 02:07:18 pm
      Come on. When he played in the league last season he was pretty stable apart from that distance goal of Xhaka and one/two questionable scenes. That's top standard. We'll see Alisson, but he had already one questionable moment last game, so we should not judge Migs too harshly. Migs would be a super premium #2.

      Karius on the other hand is just shot. I also didn't like his showboating (car with #1, instagram junkie,...) when he didn't accomplish anything, plus his women-like whining in Kiev instead of at least performing to be a man. He never belonged here and personally I'm glad he's gone. We don't need Metro-Beckhams here, we need dudes with balls.

      What an absolute load of sh*t.
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      Reply #3086: Aug 30, 2018 02:09:47 pm
      Come on. When he played in the league last season he was pretty stable apart from that distance goal of Xhaka and one/two questionable scenes. That's top standard. We'll see Alisson, but he had already one questionable moment last game, so we should not judge Migs too harshly. Migs would be a super premium #2.

      Karius on the other hand is just shot. I also didn't like his showboating (car with #1, instagram junkie,...) when he didn't accomplish anything, plus his women-like whining in Kiev instead of at least performing to be a man. He never belonged here and personally I'm glad he's gone. We don't need Metro-Beckhams here, we need dudes with balls.

      I agree, Mignolet is actually a fairly decent #2 keeper. Karius quite simply had to leave that final would have haunted him here.
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      Reply #3087: Aug 30, 2018 03:07:29 pm
      Come on. When he played in the league last season he was pretty stable apart from that distance goal of Xhaka and one/two questionable scenes. That's top standard. We'll see Alisson, but he had already one questionable moment last game, so we should not judge Migs too harshly. Migs would be a super premium #2.

      Karius on the other hand is just shot. I also didn't like his showboating (car with #1, instagram junkie,...) when he didn't accomplish anything, plus his women-like whining in Kiev instead of at least performing to be a man. He never belonged here and personally I'm glad he's gone. We don't need Metro-Beckhams here, we need dudes with balls.

      They're both sh*te, Alisson is a massive upgrade of those two pair of dickheads.
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      Reply #3088: Aug 30, 2018 03:10:19 pm
      They're both sh*te, Alisson is a massive upgrade of those two pair of dickheads.

      Well yes obviously, how many #2 keepers do you know who are at the same level as the #1? Mignolet is a decent #2 keeper, its essential that you have an experienced keeper at #2, someone who won't be fazed or freaked out at coming on in 80th minute of a crucial game.
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      Reply #3089: Aug 30, 2018 03:11:38 pm
      Well yes obviously, how many #2 keepers do you know who are at the same level as the #1? Mignolet is a decent #2 keeper, its essential that you have an experienced keeper at #2, someone who won't be fazed or freaked out at coming on in 80th minute of a crucial game.

      He's sh*te as well, I've seen enough of him over the last 5 years to know he's anything but decent, he's no better or worse than Karius.

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