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      David Peace's New Book About Bill Shankly - Red Or Dead
      Jul 03, 2013 05:18:04 pm
      Novel charting Bill Shankly's LFC career set for launch in Liverpool



      Red or Dead by David Peace to be released in August ahead of 100th anniversary of Shankly’s birth

      A novel charting Bill Shankly’s career as Liverpool FC manager is to have its official launch in the city.

      Red or Dead, written by award-winning Damned United author David Peace, will be released in August ahead of the 100th anniversary of Shankly’s birth.

      Publishers Faber have announced the official launch event will be held at the Epstein Theatre on Hanover Street on August 14, the day the book hits the shelves.

      Described as the story of “a man in two halves”, the book charts Shankly’s successes and explores the final years of his life, after his retirement from Anfield in 1974.

      The launch event has been arranged by Faber and Liverpool’s Writing on the Wall literary festival.

      It will feature a reading, book signing and conversation with Daily Mirror columnist Brian Reade.

      Writing on the Wall organiser Mike Morris said: “This is a huge coup for one of the UK’s best and most dynamic writers to agree to launch his latest novel in Liverpool.

      “David Peace and Bill Shankly is a fascinating combination of talent and this is guaranteed to be a special night for Liverpool’s literary crowd and LFC supporters.”

      The novel is set to be the centrepiece of celebrations of Shankly’s life and work, leading up to the official centenary on September 2.

      Other events planned include a memorial bike ride between key landmarks from his career, set to feature Reds legend Robbie Fowler.

      The four-day bike ride has been organised by the club’s charity, the Liverpool FC Foundation and will take in Shankly’s home village of Glenbuck in Ayrshire and Preston North End’s Deepdale ground.

      The book launch is set to include a DJ set from Liverpool fan and The Farm frontman Peter Hooton, and fans are being encouraged to take along memorabilia to the theatre on the night.


      http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/novel-charting-bill-shanklys-lfc-4864257
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      Reply #1: Jul 03, 2013 05:55:11 pm
      Will definitely want to read this one, just feel a bit uneasy by the controversy aroused by Damned United. The Clough family never approved it, for instance. Don't think Shankly's story should be controversial though.
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      Reply #2: Jul 03, 2013 06:51:56 pm
      Will definitely want to read this one, just feel a bit uneasy by the controversy aroused by Damned United. The Clough family never approved it, for instance. Don't think Shankly's story should be controversial though.

      Not to worry he idolises Shankly and Liverpool is his favourite city in the UK.

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      I have written about corruption, I've written about crime, I've written about bad men and I've written about the demons. But now I've had enough of the bad men and the demons. Now I want to write about a good man. And a saint. A Red Saint. Bill Shankly was not just a great football manager. Bill Shankly was one of the greatest men who ever lived. And the supporters of Liverpool Football Club, and the people of Liverpool the city, know that and remember him. But many people outside of football, outside of Liverpool, do not know or do not remember him. And now - more than ever - it's time everybody knew about Bill Shankly. About what he achieved, about what he believed. And how he led his life. Not for himself, for other people. 

      http://www.casarotto.co.uk/news/new-david-peace-novel-to-be-published-in-august-17348

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      Re: David Peace's New Book About Bill Shankly - Red Or Dead
      Reply #3: Jul 03, 2013 07:19:13 pm
      Can't wait.. Simply cant get enough of anything to do with the Boss of all Bosses.
      If you ever get to see the Shankly show with Sandy west portraying Shanklythen you must go its simply spellbinding.
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      Reply #4: Jul 03, 2013 07:23:13 pm
      Can't wait.. Simply cant get enough of anything to do with the Boss of all Bosses.
      If you ever get to see the Shankly show with Sandy west portraying Shanklythen you must go its simply spellbinding.

      And then some!

      I found the ending very emotional.
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      Reply #5: Jul 03, 2013 10:11:26 pm
      Will have to put this on my birthday list, sounds like a brilliant read and one to add to my collection, and like Walton, I can't get enough either.

      Can't wait.. Simply cant get enough of anything to do with the Boss of all Bosses.
      If you ever get to see the Shankly show with Sandy west portraying Shanklythen you must go its simply spellbinding.

      Agreed, and would love to see it again sometime.
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      Reply #6: Jul 04, 2013 08:34:41 am
      This will be fabulous David Peace is a truly brilliant writer dunno how much fellow poster's on here know about him
      but take it from me on this one he is Amazing..

      Red Riding quartet set in yorkshire in the 70's is a must read for any one with an interest in the workings of The Yorkshire
       Police Force as is GB84 the dramatised truth about the miners strike, Thatcher, West Yorks Police et all...

      I think a good proportion of posters on here will have seen if not read The Damned United the work for which Peace
      is probably best known, this is pretty lightweight in comparison yet it still saw Peace being sued in court by Johny Giles..

      Being a Huddersfield Town supporter you can see where his affiliation with our legendary boss stems from.. Cant Wait..

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      Re: David Peace's New Book About Bill Shankly - Red Or Dead
      Reply #7: Jul 04, 2013 08:55:36 am
      I can never get enough material relating to that GREAT GREAT MAN BILL SHANKLY. I witnessed this club climb out of the old second division and then win us our first F.A.CUP in 1965, i will be eternally greatfull to  BILL SHANKLY for setting the standards that every other club in England and Europe could only dream of.I look forward to reading this latest book.
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      Reply #8: Jul 04, 2013 10:00:01 am
      Yes a true Legend indeed, i can't wait to read this, i hail from the same area as Bill so i can appreciate the culture he was brought up in, my dear old grandad was exactly the same as Bill, well in life anyway, he spoke the same way and demanded truth and honesty and believed in the same socialism as Bill did, as time goes by and we all get older, we really appreciate what  wonderful humans being people like Bill Shankly were, and in today's selfish society it would do no harm to read and learn from their philosophies.
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      Reply #9: Jul 09, 2013 10:46:04 pm
      .

      Red Riding quartet set in yorkshire in the 70's is a must read for any one with an interest in the workings of The Yorkshire
       Police Force as is GB84 the dramatised truth about the miners strike, Thatcher, West Yorks Police et all...




      The Red Riding Quartet is absolutely awesome!. Pure class and a brilliant story. Remember downloading them and i was working nights. Meant to watch one a day but it was so good i ended up watching them all the same day!. I was f**king bollocksed that night shift!.

      Is this available for pre-order anywhere?. I'm hoping the Scousers can help me out here please?. Obviously i'm talking about the Shankly book.
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      Re: David Peace's New Book About Bill Shankly - Red Or Dead
      Reply #10: Jul 09, 2013 11:07:10 pm
      I can never get enough material relating to that GREAT GREAT MAN BILL SHANKLY. I witnessed this club climb out of the old second division and then win us our first F.A.CUP in 1965, i will be eternally greatfull to  BILL SHANKLY for setting the standards that every other club in England and Europe could only dream of.I look forward to reading this latest book.

      The Bedrock and Foundation of who and what we are today.
      A privilege to have met him when I was a kid.
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      Reply #11: Jul 10, 2013 01:43:22 pm
      The Red Riding Quartet is absolutely awesome!. Pure class and a brilliant story. Remember downloading them and i was working nights. Meant to watch one a day but it was so good i ended up watching them all the same day!. I was f**king bollocksed that night shift!.

      Is this available for pre-order anywhere?. I'm hoping the Scousers can help me out here please?. Obviously i'm talking about the Shankly book.

      http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/david+peace/red+or+dead/9596934/
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      Reply #12: Jul 10, 2013 01:44:45 pm
      Yes a true Legend indeed, i can't wait to read this, i hail from the same area as Bill so i can appreciate the culture he was brought up in, my dear old grandad was exactly the same as Bill, well in life anyway, he spoke the same way and demanded truth and honesty and believed in the same socialism as Bill did, as time goes by and we all get older, we really appreciate what  wonderful humans being people like Bill Shankly were, and in today's selfish society it would do no harm to read and learn from their philosophies.

      THE LEGEND! This should read like the holy bible of Liverpool FC.

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      Reply #14: Jul 10, 2013 06:35:10 pm
      Looking forward to this. David Peace is a top quality writer, and The Damned United was fantastic. Still got to read Red Riding, seeing as I've heard rave reviews about it. I remember the Channel 4 dramatisation of it with Sean Bean. I expect nothing less than quality. Perhaps it could be made into a film like The Damned United in a few years time?
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      Reply #15: Jul 22, 2013 07:01:35 pm
      Perhaps it could be made into a film like The Damned United in a few years time?

      Just come in to ask how people would feel about that if it did get made into a film? If it was done right and by the right people then I'd say why not?

      And is anybody going to the launch on August 14th?
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      Reply #16: Jul 23, 2013 01:52:31 pm
      Who would play Shanks? I reckon Scottish actor Peter Mullan would be a good shout...
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      Reply #17: Aug 04, 2013 11:54:43 am
      Red Or Dead by David Peace – review

      Red Or Dead is a masterpiece. David Peace already has a considerable reputation but this massive, painstaking account of the career of Bill Shankly towers above his previous work. It's usual when praising a sports novel for critics to claim that "it's not really about baseball/running/beach volleyball – the sport is a metaphor". Make no mistake, this book is about football. Unremittingly, uncompromisingly about football. It's what Shankly would have wanted. For Shankly, ephemera such as life, love and death could be metaphors for football, never the other way round. Football was the thing itself.

      Red Or Dead tells the story of how an unambitous, conservative board of directors, concerned only with ensuring a profit clicked through the turnstiles, inadvertently hired a charismatic, visionary socialist who revolutionised the game and would like to have revolutionised the nation. Inexplicably – maybe he was bluffing – Shankly tendered his resignation in 1974 while still only 60, and at the height of his success. On YouTube you can find a clip of the young Granada reporter Tony Wilson breaking the news to passersby in Liverpool. They're disbelieving and heartbroken. The board too were disbelieving – in the sense that they couldn't believe their luck. In retirement Shankly was cast aside, made more welcome at Goodison Park than at Anfield. He had no role in the future of the club he created. The phone never stopped ringing but it was never the call he hoped for. Peace gives the rejection of Shankly a Shakespearean grandeur. There are echoes of Coriolanus and Lear but also of the experience of every Premier League fan. For of all the forms of love there are in this world there is none so cruelly, gleefully unrequited as the love of a fan for a Premier League club. Fans will go to the grave decked in club scarves, the club anthem their eternal ringtone. Clubs reciprocate that love in ways that make Enron look like the Salvation Army. The Premier League is not a metaphor of a dysfunctional society, it is its fullest expression – a grotesquely overpaid, underperforming elite utterly disconnected from the communities from which its clubs take their names.

      Of course, it wasn't like that in Shankly's time. Part of the appeal of Red Or Dead is our collective yearning for those "jumpers for goalposts" days so beautifully evoked in Gary Imlach's book My Father and Other Working Class Football Heroes. Here is Shankly living modestly, close to the ground, working out his strategy with cutlery on the kitchen table, cleaning the cooker to clear his mind. Here he is replying to every piece of fan mail, answering the door to kids who want him to come and referee for them, giving them their bus fare home. Here he stops the team's official bus to pick up hitchhiking away fans, ordering his players to share their sandwiches with them. Is this nostalgia? We live in a country in which huge chunks of the public utilities and infrastructure are run for the benefit not of the nation or the customers but for shareholders slumped in front of Antiques Roadshow. Is it nostalgia to remind ourselves that there was once a man who ran a football club not for the sponsors, not for the board, not for himself but for the fans – or, as he called them, the People? And that this worked?

      There have been more successful managers. Shankly's not even the most successful manager of LFC. The difference between Shankly and, say, Paisley or Ferguson is the difference between Jesse Owens and Carl Lewis. Lewis ran faster but Owens ran for a reason. Shankly's reasons could not be more relevant. Red Or Dead is radical not just in the narrow political sense. I can't think when I last came across a serious piece of fiction or TV drama in which the working-class characters weren't busy killing or abusing one another. Peace himself wrote the novel on which the beyond-parody C4 series Red Riding (aka "Gritty Bafta") was based. Here he has changed tack and written a book about what it means to be good, about the sheer work it takes to be good, about the challenge of staying good when the world treats you badly. Like the Book of Job or The Little Princess, it's a game of two halves. Will Shankly retain as an outcast the grace and integrity he showed when he was a deity? There's a heartbreaking scene in a cafe on Eaton Road. It's raining outside. He hands a stranger his umbrella, not out of magnanimity but out of respect for the fact that the man has to go to work whereas he himself has time to sit and wait for the rain to stop.

      This is an openly hagiographical work. There are scenes here of Shankly remembering each of his players in his prayers, almost as shocking to the modern reader as Leopold Bloom masturbating must have been to the reader of nearly a 100 years ago. Like most hagiographies, it's monumental. Team sheets, match reports, the full texts of interviews with Harold Wilson and Shelley Rohde, everything is in here. I didn't feel qualified to say whether it was all accurate so I went to visit my friend Peter Hooton – one of the founders of the Liverpool supporters' union the Spirit of Shankly – who said the only mistake he could find was that they keep leaving the "k" out of Kirkby. This level of detail, coupled with Peace's usual schtick of short, repetitive phrases can make the book a tough read. "In the ninth minute, Ian St John scored. In the 72nd minute, Roger Hunt scored. In the last minute, in the very last minute, St John scored again."

      When it's good it sounds like Homer. When it's bad it sounds like an infinity of goal alerts. I know that when my dad reads it he will gorge himself on that exhaustive list of remembered goals but others will find it too much. The temptation to skip pages is enormous. I asked Peter, as a football fan, what he thought. He said: "I want to go out and knock on doors like a Jehovah's Witness and read this book to people." Which is surely the point. For a long time now literary fiction has concerned itself with telling it like it is – with power, corruption and lies – or telling it like it was – Tudors. This isn't a book about the way things were or the way things are. This is a book about the way things should be.



      http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/aug/03/red-or-dead-david-peace-review

      That second paragraph could be sent to FSG with a simple note saying "this is what we are about"

      Superb write up and can't wait to read this book.
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      Re: David Peace's New Book About Bill Shankly - Red Or Dead
      Reply #18: Aug 04, 2013 12:08:08 pm
      Sounds fantastic - made a point of driving through Glenbuck few years ago. Felt genuinely emotional understanding from where the great man emerged.

      My old man loved Shanks - would love to have bought him this.
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      Reply #20: Aug 04, 2013 08:29:22 pm
      Were Scouse not English its been that way since 800 years ago.
      Any how I do not see why we cannot strive to meet Shankly's vision even now. It should be a privilege to play for this club and I guess he would be disgusted at the way Luis has behaved.
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      Re: David Peace's New Book About Bill Shankly - Red Or Dead
      Reply #21: Aug 05, 2013 08:09:59 am
      Read extracts from it yesterday, looks very good but (although I'm no expert) seems Peace has a strange way of writing.

      Love that ^^^ with Jock Stein!
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      Reply #22: Aug 05, 2013 09:43:12 am
      I suggest we send our 2 owners a copy of this each. After reading it, they should then ask themselves if they are the right people to return this club to its former glories.
      Bill would be horrified to see how the game he loved is now more about money and ego, than football.
      He would be horrified at the actions and attitude of many modern day footballers. Maybe football needs to reacquaint itself with the Shankly way, if it doesn't it is going to gorge itself from the inside out!
      Now he truly was a Legend.

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