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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #150: Dec 14, 2013 05:41:17 am
      England in bat 0/43, starting to dig in.
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #151: Dec 14, 2013 06:19:19 am
      0/79

      England going well, so far.

      Carberry and Cook. Carberry has been unlucky thus far but doing well in this innings.
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #152: Dec 14, 2013 06:19:37 am
      Poms are doing alright here.
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #153: Dec 14, 2013 08:43:24 am
      Poor shot from Cook who had been looking ok..

      Cut shot off the spinner with a pitch offering this extra bounce is risky.

      This partnership is now key to the match, KP battling himself but the ball getting soft makes it an easier pitch to play.

      For Eng to have any chance we need a hundred partnership from these two.


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      8000 runs in test cricket for Pieterson, 5th England player to get to that landmark.. Off a true edge through 4th slip

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      F**k me Kev
      What a stupid shot.. You could see him really getting frustrated with his scoring rate and Siddle has him with a mistimed hoik down the ground.

      Aussies well on top again now


      I think we will see a fairly big break up of this test side in the next few months.
      « Last Edit: Dec 14, 2013 09:11:08 am by Paisleydalglish »
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #154: Dec 14, 2013 09:59:16 pm
      On any other wicket in Australia, i'd agree. But you never know with KP when he is batting on this kind of pitch. Bell is key, though for sure. I'm always worried with him at the crease.

      I'm not too worried about Bell. I said it atthe start of the series to a mate here, as soon as Bell comes in, get Steve Smith on with his leggies. Bell had trouble with Warnie in the past and I think he's susceptable to leg spin early on in his innings before he gets set. Smith got him in Adelaide again and has got him out 3 times already in his career. Whip Smith on straight away Clarkey and we get Bell out and right into the tail.

      Listen to me FFS, Clarke!
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      Reply #155: Dec 15, 2013 01:41:42 am
      I'm not too worried about Bell. I said it atthe start of the series to a mate here, as soon as Bell comes in, get Steve Smith on with his leggies. Bell had trouble with Warnie in the past and I think he's susceptable to leg spin early on in his innings before he gets set. Smith got him in Adelaide again and has got him out 3 times already in his career. Whip Smith on straight away Clarkey and we get Bell out and right into the tail.

      Listen to me FFS, Clarke!

      Mate, I agree entirely. Smith should bowl more often regardless of who is at the crease. He's very underused.
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      Reply #156: Dec 15, 2013 01:54:03 am
      Mate, I agree entirely. Smith should bowl more often regardless of who is at the crease. He's very underused.

      Granted he hasn't had much of a chance to bowl since our quicks have been knocking the Poms over pretty quickly  ;) but I do agree, he needs to bowl more often, especially when a dangerous player like Bell comes to the crease.
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #157: Dec 15, 2013 03:12:05 pm
      Team needs a massive overhaul after this pathetic display, it is pretty clear some of the front line batsmen are no longer worthy of representing, England at Test level, with too many rash one day shots, that should be confined to the limited over game.
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #158: Dec 15, 2013 04:10:36 pm
      Broad looks like he copped an absolute nasty one from Merv Hughes Mitchell Johnson. Still at least he has an excuse for not walking now... :f_whistle:
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      Reply #159: Dec 15, 2013 04:27:15 pm
      Boycott has torn them apart on TMS..
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      Reply #160: Dec 17, 2013 04:57:01 am
      Stokes first Englishmen to reach a ton in the series.... In our 6th innings... and he's an all-rounder in his second game. For shame everyone else. Pieterson especially, who has gotten out 6 times trying to show how big his dick is.
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      Reply #161: Dec 17, 2013 05:23:10 am
      Great innings comes to an end. Was very proud our lads and commentators praised him for a terrific effort. Watson and Warner got f**k all from Mike Atherton and co. as well as the English fielders.

      Was a bit nervy for a moment there but it's back in our favour this match. Need to skittle the tail and the a Ashes is ours!
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      Reply #162: Dec 17, 2013 06:09:47 am
      Fair play Australia you deserved that, humble victory speeches too.
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #163: Dec 17, 2013 06:11:40 am
      Boycott has torn them apart on TMS..

      Nothing new there then  :) He takes 'miserable' to a whole new level!
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #164: Dec 17, 2013 07:03:35 am
      Broad looks like he copped an absolute nasty one from Merv Hughes Mitchell Johnson. Still at least he has an excuse for not walking now... :f_whistle:

      Yup, the bi-polar bowler got him with a good 'un.
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #165: Dec 17, 2013 11:57:46 am
      Is it over yet?
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      Reply #166: Dec 17, 2013 01:36:15 pm
      Congratulations to Australia.  Played very well and we played like sh*t.  Simple as that really.

      Anyone read Peter Oborne in The Telegraph - admittedly he is their Political Correspondent but he wrote a proper knee-jerk article that had me in stitches.

      Ashes 2013-2014: Alastair Cook must step down after England's humiliation
      Some thoughts on England's Ashes defeat.
      1. England has been utterly and comprehensively destroyed over the first three Tests and have now lost the Ashes. We need to recognise that the next two Test matches are now meaningless. It is quite likely that Alastair Cook and Kevin Pietersen, who both failed when it mattered, will put in big performances when they no longer count.

      2. This is what happened during the shameful 1974/5 Ashes series when England were blown away in the early Tests matches. But Mike Denness, England’s worst post-war captain, then scored a big century in the final Test match when the Aussies had taken their foot off the accelerator, and another big century against a weak New Zealand team. These performances enabled Denness to save his place.

      3. Kevin Pietersen, who repeatedly threw away his wicket when England were up against it, may well emulate Denness and score heavily in the two remaining Tests. They would be pointless runs, and should be seen as such. Pietersen, who failed England when the chips were down, should not be allowed to save his career when nothing is at stake.
      More on the Ashes 2013-14

      4. Alastair Cook should step down as skipper. It’s clear after England’s dreadful and humiliating performance that he is not suited for the captaincy. Anybody listening to his media interviews over the last few weeks can tell that he lacks leadership qualities. More importantly, Cook has lost form dreadfully since becoming captain, and this matters. Cook is probably England’s best batsman since Peter May 60 years ago. If he had not been captain it is almost certain that Cook would have put it the big scores that would have saved us from defeat. The England team desperately needs Cook’s batting.

      5. But who should replace him? Until recently Graeme Swann or Matt Prior looked like the obvious internal replacements, but both of them have lost form. Some will make the case for Broad, but he still looks desperately immature. I believe there is an obvious candidate outside the current England team squad: Paul Collingwood. Collingwood was a doughty fighter for England until his retirement from Test cricket. Since then he has remained on the county circuit, and last summer led Durham to a thrilling victory in the county championship. Collingwood has the experience, the proven leadership qualities and the talent to do the job. He will gain the respect of team-mates – and that is essential in a dressing-room where there have been rumours of division. Some will say that he is past it. But he is only 37 years old, which means that he should have several more years of Test cricket in him. After all, Mike Brearley was 39 when he led England to our famous Ashes victory in 1981.

      6. Finally, we should take heart from the brilliant talent waiting in the wings, as Ben Stokes showed in his marvellous innings. In the last two Tests youngsters like Gary Ballance, Johnny Bairstow and Boyd Rankin should be given their chance. There is nothing to be lost and everything to gain.

      http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100250862/ashes-2013-2014-alastair-cook-must-step-down-after-englands-humiliation/

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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #167: Dec 17, 2013 01:54:15 pm
      Credit where credit's due, congratulations to the Aussies. They deserve it because they have totally humiliated England throughout.
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #168: Dec 17, 2013 04:25:31 pm
      Congratulations to Australia.  Played very well and we played like sh*t.  Simple as that really.

      Anyone read Peter Oborne in The Telegraph - admittedly he is their Political Correspondent but he wrote a proper knee-jerk article that had me in stitches.

      Ashes 2013-2014: Alastair Cook must step down after England's humiliation
      Some thoughts on England's Ashes defeat.
      1. England has been utterly and comprehensively destroyed over the first three Tests and have now lost the Ashes. We need to recognise that the next two Test matches are now meaningless. It is quite likely that Alastair Cook and Kevin Pietersen, who both failed when it mattered, will put in big performances when they no longer count.

      2. This is what happened during the shameful 1974/5 Ashes series when England were blown away in the early Tests matches. But Mike Denness, England’s worst post-war captain, then scored a big century in the final Test match when the Aussies had taken their foot off the accelerator, and another big century against a weak New Zealand team. These performances enabled Denness to save his place.

      3. Kevin Pietersen, who repeatedly threw away his wicket when England were up against it, may well emulate Denness and score heavily in the two remaining Tests. They would be pointless runs, and should be seen as such. Pietersen, who failed England when the chips were down, should not be allowed to save his career when nothing is at stake.
      More on the Ashes 2013-14

      4. Alastair Cook should step down as skipper. It’s clear after England’s dreadful and humiliating performance that he is not suited for the captaincy. Anybody listening to his media interviews over the last few weeks can tell that he lacks leadership qualities. More importantly, Cook has lost form dreadfully since becoming captain, and this matters. Cook is probably England’s best batsman since Peter May 60 years ago. If he had not been captain it is almost certain that Cook would have put it the big scores that would have saved us from defeat. The England team desperately needs Cook’s batting.

      5. But who should replace him? Until recently Graeme Swann or Matt Prior looked like the obvious internal replacements, but both of them have lost form. Some will make the case for Broad, but he still looks desperately immature. I believe there is an obvious candidate outside the current England team squad: Paul Collingwood. Collingwood was a doughty fighter for England until his retirement from Test cricket. Since then he has remained on the county circuit, and last summer led Durham to a thrilling victory in the county championship. Collingwood has the experience, the proven leadership qualities and the talent to do the job. He will gain the respect of team-mates – and that is essential in a dressing-room where there have been rumours of division. Some will say that he is past it. But he is only 37 years old, which means that he should have several more years of Test cricket in him. After all, Mike Brearley was 39 when he led England to our famous Ashes victory in 1981.

      6. Finally, we should take heart from the brilliant talent waiting in the wings, as Ben Stokes showed in his marvellous innings. In the last two Tests youngsters like Gary Ballance, Johnny Bairstow and Boyd Rankin should be given their chance. There is nothing to be lost and everything to gain.

      http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100250862/ashes-2013-2014-alastair-cook-must-step-down-after-englands-humiliation/



      In fairness he's shown he's no Strauss. He's not Michael Vaughan and he's certainly no Nasser Hussain. Wonderful batsman but hasn't shown his captaincy skills yet. There were probably still some questions over his captaincy before the series, those questions will be asked more and more now. Don't think he should resign though. Who else would come in? He is just one of the England elite who were all demolished by the Australians. Pietersen, Trott, Anderson and Swann were all stripped bare in this series. You can really only praise the Australians for that. What an incredible effort.
      « Last Edit: Dec 17, 2013 04:35:50 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #169: Dec 17, 2013 05:18:43 pm
      Not a fan of Cook but there is no obvious alternative, Flower should confirm his commitment long term and start to rebuild to get them back in 2015, congrats to the aussies, didn't see that in them, still a bunch of cu*ts though especially trailer trash Warner.
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #170: Dec 17, 2013 07:34:49 pm
      Not a fan of Cook but there is no obvious alternative,

      As a captain or as a player
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      Reply #171: Dec 17, 2013 08:00:32 pm

      For me I'd be looking for him as captain to start to ease out some of the older names and build his team. This one is Strauss' IMO and is coming to the end of its cycle.

      Seems very obvious too that Flower has had enough and wants a break.

      Time to start again I reckon with players like KP, Prior and Swann being my first 3 of the undoubtedly great players who sooner rather than later should be eased out. Jimmy Anderson too has to have questions answered about his form.
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #172: Dec 18, 2013 02:17:22 am
      For me I'd be looking for him as captain to start to ease out some of the older names and build his team. This one is Strauss' IMO and is coming to the end of its cycle.

      Seems very obvious too that Flower has had enough and wants a break.

      Time to start again I reckon with players like KP, Prior and Swann being my first 3 of the undoubtedly great players who sooner rather than later should be eased out. Jimmy Anderson too has to have questions answered about his form.

      Who could come in though to replace these players? Steven Finn the obvious one for Anderson surely? But what of KP and especially Prior?
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #173: Dec 18, 2013 02:53:50 pm
      Who could come in though to replace these players? Steven Finn the obvious one for Anderson surely? But what of KP and especially Prior?

      I'd give Bairstow a chance in the last two matches.
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      Re: 2013/14 Ashes Down Under
      Reply #174: Dec 19, 2013 09:35:47 am
      Who could come in though to replace these players? Steven Finn the obvious one for Anderson surely? But what of KP and especially Prior?

      Balance for KP, Bairstow for Prior and as for a young spinner, there isn't much out there.

      A lad called Maurice Holmes should be our next spinner, but that is another story about where English cricket can be its own worst enemy.  :roll:

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