"We Need To Talk About Gerrard."

No mate, 12 months playing contract is all I would offer.

I think the two years he has apparently got is fairy muff mate, long as his stamina levels are considered he should have no problems, ideally they would get a replacement in tandem for the best end game proposition.

On that note, it's safe to assume then you would not like to see Ross Barkley as the replacement for Stevie? We all know that in his prime, there simply was no-one who could replace him, but that phase has unfortunately passed and we need to find a suitable successor, whilst still acknowledging what Stevie has given to this club. Hence why I believe he should see his playing days out with Liverpool.

You're joking mate, would tear their hands off, couldn't see FSG even making a derisory bid for the lad.

I think the two years he has apparently got is fairy muff mate, long as his stamina levels are considered he should have no problems, ideally they would get a replacement in tandem for the best end game proposition.

We need to face the inevitable & start to consider a ready made replacement as there will not be another like the skipper for a generation.

The longer we leave it the more detrimental it becomes to the team.

I would like to see him give management a go but I don't think he would follow Kenny into it, punditry is a safer option.

We need to face the inevitable & start to consider a ready made replacement as there will not be another like the skipper for a generation.

The longer we leave it the more detrimental it becomes to the team.

I would like to see him give management a go but I don't think he would follow Kenny into it, punditry is a safer option.

As posted earlier the ideal set-up is get a credible replacement in situ now and Stevie could give him the best coaching available, whether FSG look after our long term interests, not their bullshit interpretation btw is anyone's guess.
Handled properly Stevie could only be an asset to the club both now and when his playing days are over - there's that interpretation of the longer term thing again.

As posted earlier the ideal set-up is get a credible replacement in situ now and Stevie could give him the best coaching available, whether FSG look after our long term interests, not their bullshit interpretation btw is anyone's guess.
Handled properly Stevie could only be an asset to the club both now and when his playing days are over - there's that interpretation of the longer term thing again.

does he want that though? does he still think hes got another year or 2 playing at liverpool for 90mins every week?

I think all this Gerrard talk is a load of hyped up bullshit caused by the media.
Fact is, he ain't good enough to play, unless its a Giggs type Manc role.
OR we have top quality midfielders (and defenders) round him. But we haven't, we have relative sh*te.

We've lost a team full of world class. And now people are pretending Gerrard is world class. He ain't. And neither is anyone here, other than perhaps Sturridge when fit. Or Sterling in a couple of yrs.

The only big issue re Gerrard is that we are now utterly leaderless. Led by a manager who's never had a success in the game. And was recently sacked by Reading.

Seeing Jordan Henderson as captain really shows how far we've fallen.
I mean he's a good, dedicated pro. But tbh, he doesn't stand alongside Gerrard, Souness, Thompson, Hansen and the like. Either as a leader, or a player.

As posted earlier the ideal set-up is get a credible replacement in situ now and Stevie could give him the best coaching available, whether FSG look after our long term interests, not their bullshit interpretation btw is anyone's guess.
Handled properly Stevie could only be an asset to the club both now and when his playing days are over - there's that interpretation of the longer term thing again.

Couldn't  agree more Stuey, and I think his replacement is already waiting in the wings, Jordan Rossiter, the lad is imho at least 2 years ahead in maturity and if used intelligently could fit right in, I can hear all the know all's saying he's too young and the usual negativity, but, this lad is special, he has it all, except he's still growing, if Brendan can use him in the cup games and get him used to that level, he can be eased into the league games a bit at a time, he's still developing so we can't just throw him to the lions,

with the right nurturing, he can be developed into a ready made top class midfielder, much in the same mould as Stevie, he's not a Stevie G '2', he's a Jordan Rossiter '1', there can never be another Stevie G, like a Luis Suarez, they broke the mould when he was born, two unique world class players, and imo, Jordan Rossiter has the world at his feet, he can be world class too, he's 17 yrs old, Stevie was 18 when he made his debut, Stevie has most probably got perhaps 1 good year left in him, it's an ideal situation, introduce young Jordan, under Stevie's tutelage, for the rest of this season and all of next, and then, when he's ready, unleash him,

There are many on these boards, for whatever reason choose not to keep a eye on our ressies, under 18's etc, let me say this, there are quite a few young lads who most definitely have the potential to step up, Jordan Rossiter is just one of those, go check them out, Reddebs is the champion scout, I bet she could name a few of them who are star material.


YNWA

I think all this Gerrard talk is a load of hyped up bullshit caused by the media.
Fact is, he ain't good enough to play, unless its a Giggs type Manc role.
OR we have top quality midfielders (and defenders) round him. But we haven't, we have relative sh*te.

We've lost a team full of world class. And now people are pretending Gerrard is world class. He ain't. And neither is anyone here, other than perhaps Sturridge when fit. Or Sterling in a couple of yrs.

The only big issue re Gerrard is that we are now utterly leaderless. Led by a manager who's never had a success in the game. And was recently sacked by Reading.

Seeing Jordan Henderson as captain really shows how far we've fallen.
I mean he's a good, dedicated pro. But tbh, he doesn't stand alongside Gerrard, Souness, Thompson, Hansen and the like. Either as a leader, or a player.

i disagree, i think he can be... its hard for ANYONE to captian Liverpool while Gerrard is still at the club

does he want that though? does he still think hes got another year or 2 playing at liverpool for 90mins every week?

Does he play 90mins every week now?
His workload will be lightened considerably, kicking the Engerland F***ing farce into touch was the beginning of the ease up, Steven Gerrard's remaining time at the top must be used sparingly.

Does he play 90mins every week now?
His workload will be lightened considerably, kicking the Engerland f**king farce into touch was the beginning of the ease up, Steven Gerrard's remaining time at the top must be used sparingly.

dont get wrong i agree with you... Im just not sure he wants to slow down at the rate Brendan surely has to try and enforce now

Couldn't  agree more Stuey, and I think his replacement is already waiting in the wings, Jordan Rossiter, the lad is imho at least 2 years ahead in maturity and if used intelligently could fit right in, I can hear all the know all's saying he's too young and the usual negativity, but, this lad is special, he has it all, except he's still growing, if Brendan can use him in the cup games and get him used to that level, he can be eased into the league games a bit at a time, he's still developing so we can't just throw him to the lions,

with the right nurturing, he can be developed into a ready made top class midfielder, much in the same mould as Stevie, he's not a Stevie G '2', he's a Jordan Rossiter '1', there can never be another Stevie G, like a Luis Suarez, they broke the mould when he was born, two unique world class players, and imo, Jordan Rossiter has the world at his feet, he can be world class too, he's 17 yrs old, Stevie was 18 when he made his debut, Stevie has most probably got perhaps 1 good year left in him, it's an ideal situation, introduce young Jordan, under Stevie's tutelage, for the rest of this season and all of next, and then, when he's ready, unleash him,

There are many on these boards, for whatever reason choose not to keep a eye on our ressies, under 18's etc, let me say this, there are quite a few young lads who most definitely have the potential to step up, Jordan Rossiter is just one of those, go check them out, Reddebs is the champion scout, I bet she could name a few of them who are star material.


YNWA

Debs has sung his praises like you mate and Rossiter does seem like one to watch, not sure tho' Billy if he is ready to be thrown in with the lions just yet.
Too much too soon can do more damage than good and they are some boots he's got to fill right there, Sterling is a case in point; he is comparatively young himself and I feel what is being asked of him is totally unrealistic in that context.
Rossiter could be the same and ill-equipped to handle the pressures of an area of play that is demanding for a player with international experience, given the integral failings that prevail in the midfield at LFC right now.
Boils down to the same sh*t again mate, lack of experience and quality in depth.
There are no shortcuts really 

dont get wrong i agree with you... Im just not sure he wants to slow down at the rate Brendan surely has to try and enforce now

Don't think he has a choice, his legs etc will be the enforcer.

Nice tribute to Stevie from BR in the BR thread.

We need to face the inevitable & start to consider a ready made replacement as there will not be another like the skipper for a generation.

The longer we leave it the more detrimental it becomes to the team.

I would like to see him give management a go but I don't think he would follow Kenny into it, punditry is a safer option.

If we are going to spend big money to build the team around a player we need to decide whether it will be better spent at centre back or striker in my view.

i disagree, i think he can be... its hard for ANYONE to captian Liverpool while Gerrard is still at the club

Well Stevie will be club captain. But not team captain.

Earlier on, we had some fair leaders while Gerrard stood back.
Hyypia. Reina on occasion. (Did Hamann have many games as skipper, I cant remember? - either way he was capt material too).

Masch, Alonso and to some extent, Dagger were all genuine captain material for a top European club. As was Carra... in some ways.

In recent times, I think Suarez was our leader in many ways.

I can't think of a SINGLE player in the squad I look at and think "capt material".
Maybe Sakho or Lovren could be in the future... if the former gets in the team and doesnt fall out with BR for 5yrs..

If we are going to spend big money to build the team around a player we need to decide whether it will be better spent at centre back or striker in my view.

or "monetizing shareholder commitment" as you'd want to say...

If we are going to spend big money to build the team around a player we need to decide whether it will be better spent at centre back or striker in my view.

Not another Centre back, give the defence some proper protection like we are seeing now and I'm sure with less pressure on them they will not be as bad as they have looked recently. A combination of Sakho when fit and Lovren will in time come good ( llori also still in the background).
Our greatest need is for a top quality striker.

or "monetizing shareholder commitment" as you'd want to say...

I think all this Gerrard talk is a load of hyped up bullshit caused by the media.
Fact is, he ain't good enough to play, unless its a Giggs type Manc role.
OR we have top quality midfielders (and defenders) round him. But we haven't, we have relative sh*te.

We've lost a team full of world class. And now people are pretending Gerrard is world class. He ain't. And neither is anyone here, other than perhaps Sturridge when fit. Or Sterling in a couple of yrs.

The only big issue re Gerrard is that we are now utterly leaderless. Led by a manager who's never had a success in the game. And was recently sacked by Reading.

Seeing Jordan Henderson as captain really shows how far we've fallen.
I mean he's a good, dedicated pro. But tbh, he doesn't stand alongside Gerrard, Souness, Thompson, Hansen and the like. Either as a leader, or a player.

And when did we fall behind United and the other big clubs in Europe?

For all your whining, FSG only took over in October 2010 but the club has been poorly managed in financial terms for decades. Perhaps if we had actually taken more care with the financial side of the game we'd be in a position where we could be buying the top players in the world to replace Souness et al (no pun intended).

Instead you want us to be fielding the top players whilst at the same time running the club like some sort of amateur socialist working team from the 70's.

You can't have it both ways.

Debs has sung his praises like you mate and Rossiter does seem like one to watch, not sure tho' Billy if he is ready to be thrown in with the lions just yet.
Too much too soon can do more damage than good and they are some boots he's got to fill right there, Sterling is a case in point; he is comparatively young himself and I feel what is being asked of him is totally unrealistic in that context.
Rossiter could be the same and ill-equipped to handle the pressures of an area of play that is demanding for a player with international experience, given the integral failings that prevail in the midfield at LFC right now.
Boils down to the same sh*t again mate, lack of experience and quality in depth.
There are no shortcuts really 

That's fair comment mate, I can see where your coming from, however I think with the right and correct nurturing I still feel he can make the step up albeit eased in gradually,

As far as Raheem is concerned I think he's suffering from playing too much too soon, after his inaugural season, a World Cup and a relatively short pre-season is it any wonder the lad is suffering now, his confidence is low and is in danger of burn out, don't think that'll happen but it could have a effect later in his career.

YNWA

Jordan Rossiter certainly has everything needed to become a top class footballer but he's not another Stevie G as he's a definite No.6, not a No.8.  Don't get me wrong, he puts himself about a bit but he's a controller from deep rather than how Stevie was in his youth.  He's also far more disciplined than Stevie was, if anyone, I'd liken him more to Emlyn rather than Stevie.  Not such a bad thing that though 

As for our other young midfielders, we have many, very talented players but I don't think we have anyone in Stevies mold.  Possibly the nearest would be Jack Dunn in terms of build, drive, determination, scoring ability and recklessness but he's nowhere near as talented as Stevie was.

Jordan Rossiter certainly has everything needed to become a top class footballer but he's not another Stevie G as he's a definite No.6, not a No.8.  Don't get me wrong, he puts himself about a bit but he's a controller from deep rather than how Stevie was in his youth.  He's also far more disciplined than Stevie was, if anyone, I'd liken him more to Emlyn rather than Stevie.  Not such a bad thing that though 

As for our other young midfielders, we have many, very talented players but I don't think we have anyone in Stevies mold.  Possibly the nearest would be Jack Dunn in terms of build, drive, determination, scoring ability and recklessness but he's nowhere near as talented as Stevie was.

Thanks for the education Debs, I know you are a avid follower of the younger lads , I very much respect your opinions and take on board your judgement, so if young Jordan is more like a Emlyn Hughes that'll certainly do for me,

I've seen Jack Dunn play but not as much as young Jordan , has he been injured a lot or just at the behest of the gaffer ?


YNWA

Thanks for the education Debs, I know you are a avid follower of the younger lads , I very much respect your opinions and take on board your judgement, so if young Jordan is more like a Emlyn Hughes that'll certainly do for me,

I've seen Jack Dunn play but not as much as young Jordan , has he been injured a lot or just at the behest of the gaffer ?


YNWA

Been injured mate.  He's been plagued by them for a couple of years now, which is a massive set back at his age, he'd probably have broken through by now if he'd stayed healthy.

He played his first game of the season this week in an u21's friendly against Birmingham.  We won 2-0 and Jack scored from a penalty.

Been injured mate.  He's been plagued by them for a couple of years now, which is a massive set back at his age, he'd probably have broken through by now if he'd stayed healthy.

He played his first game of the season this week in an u21's friendly against Birmingham.  We won 2-0 and Jack scored from a penalty.

Yeah shame that Debs, I hope those injuries don't prevent him from progressing,
Glad to hear tho he's back playing and scoring and hope his injury woes are behind him,

What of the lad Harry Wilson, he's another that caught my eye, ?

YNWA