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      CoutinhoRed
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      Our midfield three
      Nov 03, 2013 08:23:04 am
      Is just atrocious. Where does one start? Lucas, Gerrard, and Henderson..

      This is clearly our weakness area. Not RB, not LB but here in the three central midfield positions. I think it's also fair to say that neither of the three are good enough when presented with a big game.

      I was bitterly disappointed in the way Gerrard performed. I thought being the captain, he possibly had the most anonymous performance all season. He didn't lead by example and he never made his presence known. For me, and I'm not just saying this based on last night's game, but I genuinely believe that Luis Suarez could be a worthy captain choice. He was everywhere yesterday and gave it 100 percent.
      All the attributes that made Gerrard the legend he is now cease to exist. His surging runs, that box to box energy ,and those game changing screamers. I'm not suggesting to sell him, absolutely not, but he needs some very healthy competition for his position. He's more than replaceable, and we need to be bold in doing so when the time is right.

      Lucas is a tactically intelligent player, and clearly the smartest out of the three, but he is too slow and like Gerrard, lacks that mobility. The likes of Cazorla, Ramsey, Özil, Rosicky, and Arteta had a field day yesterday. Not just were they technically superior to our midfielders, but they possessed much more mobility. We just couldn't contain them, and this will be a recurring issue in every big game bar Manchester United.

      Henderson gets heaps loads of praise. Indeed, he works his socks and gives 100 percent but if anyone genuinely believes that his athleticism warrants him a first team spot in a top top club, then you are truly kidding yourself. Tactically, very poor. Technically, very poor. He has athleticism, and that is it.

      Against smaller opposition, the likes of Lucas, Gerrard, and Hendo can get the better of the midfield, but even then you have witnessed us getting overrun in the second half of many many games this season.

      True cause for concern in my opinion, and huge priority area to reinforce come January. Will be an interesting window...
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #1: Nov 03, 2013 08:30:58 am
      Not another midfield thread of some sort, feck I haven't be round here all that long and I'm sure most know about our midfield's deficiencies without raising yet another thread.

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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #2: Nov 03, 2013 08:50:52 am
      Is there actually a thread out there regarding our midfield trio? Or shall I just mention the other two in say a Gerrard thread?

      Bloody whinger ;-)
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #3: Nov 03, 2013 12:17:27 pm
      My head hurts just wondering which of the many midfield threads to post in.

      Cheer for giving me another option. :roll:
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #4: Nov 03, 2013 12:22:48 pm
      At this rate, we're going to need a separate board for threads about the midfield. :D
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #5: Nov 03, 2013 12:38:18 pm
      At this rate, we're going to need a separate board for threads about the midfield. :D

      It's crazy isn't it.
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #6: Nov 03, 2013 12:54:19 pm
      Ok. What about we sell Agger to barca for song and 5 million? And use the money to get in a 2 footed full back as cover. Song is athletic, good creatively, and a decent tackler. He would surely fancy some first team football
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #7: Nov 03, 2013 01:36:23 pm
      Did we have 3 in midfield yesterday, seemed like a empty park for Arse to run through.
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #8: Nov 03, 2013 02:14:22 pm
      The problem with Lucas and Gerrard is that they are not mobile enough, particularly Gerrard.

      Rodger's system is designed towards that of a high pressing system and without the ability of some players to do this very well, then the team suffer. Henderson is excellent at this, but big question marks remain over his creative stance.

      In the next few years, the team will take more shape to suit Rodger's preferences definitely, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him bring in another top quality defensive midfielder. Lucas is a very good player, but perhaps not maybe that top class player they need in that position. This is in no way a slight against Lucas - he's very capable and plays excellently against weaker sides but against brilliant teams like Arsenal then there are questions. But saying all that, they were playing Arsenal - Liverpool will not be coming up against sides as quick as that and as creatively brilliant as that - Arsenal are a fantastic side, and that is the result of a methodology from Wenger that has been in place for 17 years and is second nature to the club from top to bottom. No trophy in years, but stability over the years has led to them kind of being a 'sleeping giant' while paying off stadium debts, but this seriously looks like the time now they are going to win something I feel. If not this year, then next year, because the players they have are coming into their own.

      That's contrasted with a Liverpool side which, for a lot of them, have seen a tumultuous time in the last four years. Wenger has 17 years, Rodgers has one and a half years and Rodgers doesn't nearly have his ideal squad at the moment.

      However, the seeds have been sown and there is a lot of talent in the squad, outwith Gerrard, Lucas and Henderson. The playing style is excellent, and his tactics have proved inspired before last night's match. In hindsight, I don't think he would have started with the same system as he did last night but it worked in previous matches and if it ain't broke don't fix it. Plus, I don't think anyone could have forseen quite how sh*t Cissokho would be. But he showed good awareness to change at half time and those changes were evident in the second half, because apart from Ramsey's wonder goal, Liverpool could easily have taken something from the game if they had started the way they did in the second half.

      That is my view on the tactics, however in terms of the 'midfield three' I cannot stress how much I WANT TO SEE ALLEN PLAY! He's yet to convince anyone, but if there is a time to do it it should be now and put him in his natural position and he could do well indeed. I think it would do him wonders to play him in his more advanced position and give him a comfortable run in the first team, which he has never experienced in his time at Liverpool. Crucially he can offer the creativity that is lacking with Lucas, Gerrard and Henderson and I dream of him pulling the midfield strings with Coutinho. The other trio of Alberto, Sterling and Ibe are very young, but there is vast potential in these three also. I think there is a lot of depth and potential in the midfield, offering much better pressing and creative ability than Gerrard, Henderson and Lucas.
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #9: Nov 03, 2013 02:18:30 pm
      I'm going to start off by questioning your comment about making Suarez captain because you are questioning Gerrard's commitment to the cause. Yes Suarez gives 100% on the pitch but he also wanted that to be the case but for a different team and wanted to find the quickest way out of the club yet you think he is captain material for a club that let's face it, he will be leaving if we miss out on top 4 again. Christ!

      Knee jerk opening post to yet another midfield topic, though I am on my phone so can't search for a relevant one already going
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #10: Nov 03, 2013 02:25:47 pm
      when lastime midfield score some goals, all we need is one good midfield with pace and score few goals, lt that easy
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #11: Nov 03, 2013 03:35:41 pm
      Gerrard is just fine usually, but he is at the age where you start to wonder if he should be actually used as often as he is for 90 minutes.  Suarez should not be captain,  that's ludicrous to suggest. Captain needs to be an amazing performer and loyal to Liverpool. After Gerrard it's got to be Agger.  I just don't feel Lucas is vocal enough for the role.
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #12: Nov 03, 2013 06:51:01 pm
      I wonder what Joseph was thinking sitting on the bench yesterday, watching those three in midfield.
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      Reply #13: Nov 03, 2013 07:08:38 pm
      Well, this thread is different ... it's not SG is crap, or Lucas is crap.  It's there all crap :)

      Not sure though I'd agree that all the attributes that made SG great cease to exist. Or that Lucas is clearly the smartest of the three. Or that Hendo is technically poor.

      But ideally we do need more options in CM come January.
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #14: Nov 03, 2013 07:11:00 pm
      We need to talk about Gerrard.

      Lucas blah blah blah is he holding us back.

      Our midfield without Coutinho.

      Team without Gerrard/Lucas/Hendo.

      Who can be the best DM for Liverpool.


      And now...

      Our midfield 3.

      F***ing hell.

      We need midfielders.
      We all know we need midfielders.

      Enough with the F***ing topics.
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      Reply #15: Nov 03, 2013 07:16:01 pm

      Well hopefully we won't need the 'Our midfield without Coutinho' for much longer :)
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #16: Nov 03, 2013 07:20:45 pm
      Look I think we all know we're lacking mobility and strength in midfield and most of all BR knows this. I'm sure he'll try to rectify this problem in January as best he can. We don't have a blank cheque to sign players like other clubs and Coutinho's don't grow on trees so we need to be patient and hopefully the midfield trio this topic aims to chastise can keep us in the top 4 come January as they have after the first 10 games.
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #17: Nov 03, 2013 07:45:32 pm
      Just two things from me

      1/ can't we just keep all this stuff in the tactics thread. It's one of the best threads on the board and yet it only seems to get visited by a few posters

      2/ everyone assumes the problem is all down to our midfield three when things go wrong. Has anybody considered that the lack of quality available in wide areas yesterday might have had a quite an adverse effect on the boys playing in the middle? It seems tome that this gets ignored or simply brushed over.
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #18: Nov 03, 2013 08:04:01 pm
      Look I think we all know we're lacking mobility and strength in midfield and most of all BR knows this. I'm sure he'll try to rectify this problem in January as best he can. We don't have a blank cheque to sign players like other clubs and Coutinho's don't grow on trees so we need to be patient and hopefully the midfield trio this topic aims to chastise can keep us in the top 4 come January as they have after the first 10 games.

      No, we don't have a blank cheque but this isn't a problem limited to this season, everyone knew the midfield needed sorting last season and BR wasted what money he was given on the positions least in need of strengthening.

      2/ everyone assumes the problem is all down to our midfield three when things go wrong. Has anybody considered that the lack of quality available in wide areas yesterday might have had a quite an adverse effect on the boys playing in the middle? It seems tome that this gets ignored or simply brushed over.

      It's not just the midfield three, it's the entire midfield squad. We have two decent players out of a total of nine and one of them is in the twilight of his career. That number is also the smallest number of midfielders in out of the "big six" with only Everton having the same amount out of those we're competing for a top four place with. The entire midfield squad needs overhauling across the next two windows.
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #19: Nov 03, 2013 10:02:02 pm
      Just two things from me

      1/ can't we just keep all this stuff in the tactics thread. It's one of the best threads on the board and yet it only seems to get visited by a few posters

      2/ everyone assumes the problem is all down to our midfield three when things go wrong. Has anybody considered that the lack of quality available in wide areas yesterday might have had a quite an adverse effect on the boys playing in the middle? It seems tome that this gets ignored or simply brushed over.

      It is totally ignored for the purposes of finance, it is no coincidence that quality wide men come at a price. Failure to address the shortcoming only serve to affect as described, is that a price worth paying?
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #20: Nov 04, 2013 07:54:18 am

      2/ everyone assumes the problem is all down to our midfield three when things go wrong. Has anybody considered that the lack of quality available in wide areas yesterday might have had a quite an adverse effect on the boys playing in the middle? It seems tome that this gets ignored or simply brushed over.

      I agreed mate that we haven't quality at FB/WB when GJ and Enrique not available. But not people surprise a bit why BR still use a tactic that depend too much on wide areas. I'd say BR's tactic seem very strange for me. Against very talent midfield of Arsenal he just waste 2 players in Cissokho and Flanno out wide and let only SG and Lucas those well known they lack of mobility to battle in the center and push Hendo (who at least has a tireless engine to press) to play in vital position to create chances for the goalscorers and we know that's not his best attribute. It's not play to our strength and utilize all our best resources imo.

      Many suggested in this forum that we're lack of top quality wide players so we should play 4-4-2 diamond or 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 with Agger in DM I think all worth a try and believe those are the way to utilize best of our players but we never see. Admitted BR is professional football coach and us supporters are just nothing re football tactics but it's my opinion.

      I think our midfield will do much better under manager/coach who can use players properly. No not I say BR is a bad coach but I think he need to do much better too. Do people remember one of BR's football philosophy he said when he arrive is we will pressing and win the ball back as quick as possible, but we rarely see our players pressing opponents and try to win the ball back. It's very clear in a game against Southampton their players pressing us all the time resulting we cannot play our football. Southampton players can do why LFC players can't. BR seem struggle to control the like of Gerrard, that's why he desperately to bring in young players and offload many senior players. Next few years without Gerrard, Lucas in the team and BR having more power in the team I believe we can hope for success.         
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #21: Nov 04, 2013 02:38:52 pm
      All this talk of a lack of creativity in midfield does anyone know how well Suso has done with Almeria and the chances of recalling him in January.
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      Re: Our midfield three
      Reply #22: Nov 04, 2013 02:43:47 pm
      All this talk of a lack of creativity in midfield does anyone know how well Suso has done with Almeria and the chances of recalling him in January.

      One goal and six assists.

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