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      Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP

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      Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Nov 12, 2013 02:19:34 pm
      PSG's latest sponsorship deal, worth up to £200m A YEAR, is with, wait for it, The Qatar Tourism Authority.

      What an obscenity.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #1: Nov 12, 2013 03:03:24 pm
      And that's exactly why the ffp rules won't work. There's no rule saying the owners companies can't sponsor the club, stadium, car park, or burger stand, for whatever they decide to spend.

      Like it or not, that's the future of football, unless FIFA get this sorted.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #2: Nov 12, 2013 03:20:28 pm
      Great OP. :f_tongueincheek:
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #3: Nov 12, 2013 03:49:34 pm
      Would you call it mockery if we were the recipients of that sponsorship?.

      At least they are putting something in rather than taking it out.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #4: Nov 12, 2013 04:21:47 pm
      And that's exactly why the ffp rules won't work. There's no rule saying the owners companies can't sponsor the club, stadium, car park, or burger stand, for whatever they decide to spend.

      Like it or not, that's the future of football, unless FIFA get this sorted.

      "Manchester City are proud to announce a 1 billion sponsorship deal with the Halal Pie Company that will see the chippy outside the Etihad rebranded as Halal Pies for the next 5 seasons"
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #5: Nov 12, 2013 06:18:36 pm
      Would you call it mockery if we were the recipients of that sponsorship?.

      At least they are putting something in rather than taking it out.
      Amen!
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #6: Nov 12, 2013 06:22:17 pm
      Governments could step in here, just announce a 70% super tax on sponsorship deals in football that's applied to any deal overthe league average. :)  Never happen, but it's a nice way to fill those treasury coffers.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #7: Nov 12, 2013 06:42:49 pm
      Governments could step in here, just announce a 70% super tax on sponsorship deals in football that's applied to any deal overthe league average. :)  Never happen, but it's a nice way to fill those treasury coffers.
      how would that apply to Real as they are bank rolled by the gov. Someone tell FSG  FFP is dead in the water
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #8: Nov 12, 2013 06:50:11 pm
      Did anyone, apart from John Henry, think it would be anything different? To be honest, I'm not sure he really believed it either.  :-\
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #9: Nov 12, 2013 06:50:25 pm
      Nothing to do with Liverpool. F.C. thus moved, plus is there a link?
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #10: Nov 12, 2013 06:54:45 pm
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      Reply #11: Nov 12, 2013 06:56:53 pm
      Would you call it mockery if we were the recipients of that sponsorship?.

      At least they are putting something in rather than taking it out.

      Yes it would be ridiculous even for us to be the recipients of such obscenities. The PSG owners, like Man City's owners and Chelsea's owner dabble in the habits of football because they know that by associating themselves with such allows them to hide behind and legitimise their undemocratic and corrupt regimes/lifestyles. As a proud footballing and sporting institution, would I want Liverpool to be in this category? Would I F**k. In doing so we'd strip any ideas of ethics and values away at once if we were bought or associated ourselves with such corrupt regimes and individuals.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #12: Nov 12, 2013 07:11:37 pm
      how would that apply to Real as they are bank rolled by the gov. Someone tell FSG  FFP is dead in the water

      They just claim tax back credits.  :d
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #13: Nov 13, 2013 12:44:19 am
      Yes it would be ridiculous even for us to be the recipients of such obscenities. The PSG owners, like Man City's owners and Chelsea's owner dabble in the habits of football because they know that by associating themselves with such allows them to hide behind and legitimise their undemocratic and corrupt regimes/lifestyles. As a proud footballing and sporting institution, would I want Liverpool to be in this category? Would I f**k. In doing so we'd strip any ideas of ethics and values away at once if we were bought or associated ourselves with such corrupt regimes and individuals.

      Why F***ing protest H&G?, were they democratic enough for you? was their lifestyle uncorrupted?, or do you prefer owners who dampen down expectations to levels never seen at our club before, who bullshit by claiming they can compete with anyone?.

      City,PSG,Chavs have owners who put their money were their mouth is and walk the walk.

      We lost our ethics not long ago by having our owners employ a PR man who threatened to put sh*t through the letter box of someone and promised to make life hell for that individual,ethics went out the window when Kenny was shown the door for the failiure for not finishing 4th.

      Do you accept such ethics? Or maybe you just hate None Western owners hey?.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #14: Nov 13, 2013 02:34:38 am
      they are sucking all the money out of those regions. it's scary stuff. they are using football to bring the end of our economy....
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #15: Nov 13, 2013 05:59:39 pm
      Can't help but find this topic has a hint of jealousy about it. FFP won't work, the only thing that could remotely work is a wage cap so these teams that come into money and sign players from teams of a higher stature and competing on every front by offering them crazy amounts of money. For example, City signing Robinho from Real Madrid, Eto'o to Anzhi from Inter Milan and more recently Monaco signing Falcao from Atletico Madrid who are getting closer and closer to being able to challenge Barcelona! Does anyone actually think these clubs would actually be able to sign these types of player for anything other than offering them a crazy amount of money? Like hell they could!

      If we had the Monaco owners, or PSG's or City's then I very much doubt many people at all would be complaining. People say about the ethics of the club and how it would ruin the values of the club but people seem to forget, we very nearly had DIC take us over on a couple of occasions, who would have provided us with the ludicrous amounts of money.

      If we had the Arab oil money people wouldn't complain and I don't believe them for a second when they say they would.

      We all want us to be dominating the world of football and winning the league once again but the fact is that in order to have success the more the years go by, you will have to be able to spend big! 

      These clubs that are owned by Arabs are obviously going to be able to get round the FFP because they will be in the position where they can get incredible sponsorship deals. Like the PSG one mentioned previoisly, they are owners from that part of the world with a lot of contacts so in order to benefit of course they will strike that sort of sponsorship deal. Its no different to our owners getting sponsorship deals or whatever from America so it's no good saying -

      PSG's latest sponsorship deal, worth up to £200m A YEAR, is with, wait for it, The Qatar Tourism Authority.

      What an obscenity.

      Because if our owners struck a deal like that I doubt anyone of the 16k plus people signed up on LFCReds would be complaining.

      Yes Arab oil money is ruining the world of football but the players and other clubs without it are to blame just as much because they are the ones that are demanding crazy money from the wealthy clubs and are more than happy to accept it when it gets put their way. If FIFA, UEFA or whoever were really that bothered then there would be ways to stop it but we have to face facts, Football will become more and more money orientated, FFP means sod all and the Governing bodies don't really give a sh*t because they will end up reducing the amount of money that goes their way.

      If we had Arab oil money, this topic wouldn't have been started.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #16: Nov 13, 2013 07:30:11 pm
      Why f**king protest H&G?, were they democratic enough for you? was their lifestyle uncorrupted?, or do you prefer owners who dampen down expectations to levels never seen at our club before, who bullshit by claiming they can compete with anyone?.

      City,PSG,Chavs have owners who put their money were their mouth is and walk the walk.

      We lost our ethics not long ago by having our owners employ a PR man who threatened to put sh*t through the letter box of someone and promised to make life hell for that individual,ethics went out the window when Kenny was shown the door for the failiure for not finishing 4th.

      Do you accept such ethics? Or maybe you just hate None Western owners hey?.

      Again you've completely taken my comment down your own preferred route. None of what you say takes away from the fact that many of these moneybag owners are in the sport for political protection and nothing else.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #17: Nov 13, 2013 08:14:54 pm
      When money is just ploughed in at will and ends up so completely determining a club's ability to attract the best talent and so compete for trophies, I think you have to ask what is the true merit of any achievement that follows. For me, the achievement is greater, much greater, if it reflects the efforts and endeavours of the people at the club, from the manager right through to the supporters, rather than the size of the club coffers.

      Yes, to some extent success will always be contingent on a club's financial clout but that should be based on commercial success, not revenues grossly inflated by sponsorship deals that clearly don't reflect the true economic value of what's being paid for -- like the deals PSG and Man City before them struck. That shouldn't be allowed and it shouldn't be difficult to stop it either, but as others have pointed out there is a bit of a conflict of interest in that the authorities who claim they want financial fair play stand to gain from the increasing amounts of money coming into the game.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #18: Nov 14, 2013 12:45:15 am
      Again you've completely taken my comment down your own preferred route. None of what you say takes away from the fact that many of these moneybag owners are in the sport for political protection and nothing else.

      Rubbish.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #19: Nov 14, 2013 01:24:15 am
      FFP Came in to stop the premier league becoming the completely dominant force in Europe. At the time English clubs were stripping Spain, Portugal and France of all their best players. The Spanish clubs outside the big two could not compete with the mega deals TV rights were giving to ALL prem clubs and then of course there were the likes of Abramavitch  pumping money in like water.

      Once France and Spain started to get their own billionaire owners and  better TV deals and Barca and Real to buy the best players again, the force and motivation behind FFP gradually faded away.

      I think if Platini had been a little more patient in allowing things to settle rather than jumping in with both feet, a better solution of wage capping may have been agreed. Again there would have been just the same problems with clubs "cheating the system".
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #20: Nov 15, 2013 11:03:25 am
      FFP Came in to stop the premier league becoming the completely dominant force in Europe.
      Without a doubt... UEFA have a history [blanket, indefinite bans] of trying to stop English teams dominating Europe. That sweaty, wee ,surrender-monkey Platini jumped the gun with FFP, will slide down the wall into hiding and do F**k all now that a French team has joined the fray.

      How that petite merde ever obtained the position he has is beyond me.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #21: Nov 15, 2013 04:43:00 pm
      Without a doubt... UEFA have a history [blanket, indefinite bans] of trying to stop English teams dominating Europe. That sweaty, wee ,surrender-monkey Platini jumped the gun with FFP, will slide down the wall into hiding and do f**k all now that a French team has joined the fray.

      How that petite merde ever obtained the position he has is beyond me.


      Obtained said position with a remit to stop English teams dominating Europe once more.
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      Reply #22: Nov 16, 2013 11:18:54 am
      FFP Came in to stop the premier league becoming the completely dominant force in Europe.

      Naively I thought it came it to stop another Portsmouth/Leeds/Rangers scenario happening again  :o
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #23: Dec 03, 2013 11:24:07 pm
      Would you call it mockery if we were the recipients of that sponsorship?.

      At least they are putting something in rather than taking it out.
      Its not a question of Ownership investment. Its about the ways that clubs can circumvent FFP and continue down the road of non parity.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #24: Dec 04, 2013 01:35:50 am
      I saw Mourinho just questioned Man City's spending (in the Guardian). I mean how come lightening doesn't strike the man.
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      Re: Arab oil money continues to make a mockery of FFP
      Reply #25: Dec 05, 2013 05:12:30 pm
      I saw Mourinho just questioned Man City's spending (in the Guardian). I mean how come lightening doesn't strike the man.

      The dickhead's mouth and his brain are independent units.

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