Everton 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match Debates

Look, let's be fair. Kenny made a complete mess of things in his season in charge and was sacked as a result.

I rather enjoyed my 3 Wembley trips, two major cup finals and our first trophy in 5 years during that 'mess' of a season.

But yeah, fair assessment indeed.

Not sure why I'm giving you the attention, as you're clearly a gobs***e on a wind-up. But hey ho.

2 words sum up my feelings:  Relieved and Aggrieved

I am relieved that we battled back from being down a goal and secured a point.  I am aggrieved that we were unable to take all 3 points (Joe Allen step forward).

I am relieved that we are still joint 2nd in the league with a winnable run of games coming up.  I am aggrieved that we missed the chance to put more space between us and the chasing pack. 

I am relieved that Suarez was not badly injured after all the abuse he got in the game.  I am aggrieved that Mirallas somehow escaped a red card that would have tipped the balance heavily in our favor. 

I am relieved the game is over as it is so emotionally draining.  I am aggrieved that I have to wait another week to watch our boys play. 

Special mention to Jon Flanagan who played fantastically well.  I have not been fond of Jon this year, but that was a magnificent performance and he now has the chance to nail down a regular starting role at LB with Enrique out for the next 3 months. 

2 words sum up my feelings:  Relieved and Aggrieved

I am relieved that we battled back from being down a goal and secured a point.  I am aggrieved that we were unable to take all 3 points (Joe Allen step forward).

I am relieved that we are still joint 2nd in the league with a winnable run of games coming up.  I am aggrieved that we missed the chance to put more space between us and the chasing pack. 

I am relieved that Suarez was not badly injured after all the abuse he got in the game.  I am aggrieved that Mirallas somehow escaped a red card that would have tipped the balance heavily in our favor. 

I am relieved the game is over as it is so emotionally draining.  I am aggrieved that I have to wait another week to watch our boys play. 

Special mention to Jon Flanagan who played fantastically well.  I have not been fond of Jon this year, but that was a magnificent performance and he now has the chance to nail down a regular starting role at LB with Enrique out for the next 3 months. 

Cracking post harry.

2 words sum up my feelings:  Relieved and Aggrieved

I am relieved that we battled back from being down a goal and secured a point.  I am aggrieved that we were unable to take all 3 points (Joe Allen step forward).

I am relieved that we are still joint 2nd in the league with a winnable run of games coming up.  I am aggrieved that we missed the chance to put more space between us and the chasing pack. 

I am relieved that Suarez was not badly injured after all the abuse he got in the game.  I am aggrieved that Mirallas somehow escaped a red card that would have tipped the balance heavily in our favor. 

I am relieved the game is over as it is so emotionally draining.  I am aggrieved that I have to wait another week to watch our boys play. 

Special mention to Jon Flanagan who played fantastically well.  I have not been fond of Jon this year, but that was a magnificent performance and he now has the chance to nail down a regular starting role at LB with Enrique out for the next 3 months. 

Spot on.

I'm also relieved that lot didn't take their chances but more aggrieved that Luis, Victor and Allen didn't take the more clear cut chances that they found themselves presented with.

Could of had all three points, could of just as easily came away with F**k all so a point was probably justified.

Some shocking decisions by the ref, some piss poor performances from some men in Red but still I'm not too pissed off. Hopefully we can sort out our set piece defending because that is sh*t almost every game. Teams always seem to cause us problems at set pieces even when they don't score, they still put us under pressure.

Going forward, we're the best in the League. With Suarez and Sturridge we are capable of beating anybody.

Enrique out for the next 3 months.

Is he out for 3 months? 
Flano did well but I'm afraid we rely a lot on our fullbacks to provide width in attack and he just won't do that on the left, especially since it's not even his natural side! No luck with injuries in the fullback position of late

2 words sum up my feelings:  Relieved and Aggrieved

I am relieved that we battled back from being down a goal and secured a point.  I am aggrieved that we were unable to take all 3 points (Joe Allen step forward).

I am relieved that we are still joint 2nd in the league with a winnable run of games coming up.  I am aggrieved that we missed the chance to put more space between us and the chasing pack. 

I am relieved that Suarez was not badly injured after all the abuse he got in the game.  I am aggrieved that Mirallas somehow escaped a red card that would have tipped the balance heavily in our favor. 

I am relieved the game is over as it is so emotionally draining.  I am aggrieved that I have to wait another week to watch our boys play. 

Special mention to Jon Flanagan who played fantastically well.  I have not been fond of Jon this year, but that was a magnificent performance and he now has the chance to nail down a regular starting role at LB with Enrique out for the next 3 months. 

Great post Harry and sums up entirely my feeling, I am not angry nor am I happy with the result, just feel a bit underwhelmed.

Great game... pity we couldnt take all three points.
As with any derby, theres always decisions and incidents which could swing the match either way and to be fair we could have won it or even lost it with all the chances during the match.
A point was a fair result for what was a cracking game.

Now that I've came back down to earth from sat and that I've watched the match in its entirety I have to say that that was probably the best derby I've ever seen,

It was a fantastic game ruined by a inept referee who failed miserably on every level, the man was a f***in disgrace,

How the F**k can he not see that leg breaking career ruining challenge from that f***in animal Mirallas, not only that he totally ignored his assistant who also bottled out he never even had the sense to look at the two impact indentations on Luis's knee,
I'm sat here wondering if that was the other way around how many games ban would the equally inept FA hand out to Suarez for dangerous & reckless play, FFS they banned him for ten games for a wee nibble at some KUNTS tattoos, no skin broken, 30 + and never to play again in EPL,
f***in pathetic , and I bet they won't even act now cos their useless kunt of a ref gave a yellow,



The game itself was brilliant from start to finish , both clubs went for it and a draw was a fair outcome, Mignolets saves saved us a sh*t load of abuse from those frenzied blue KUNTS and poor wee joe could'nt score in a f***in whore house with a sack full of Viagra, but I'm not gonna completely hammer into him, the boy is short in confidence last thing he needs is constant slating, it was a hell if match to try make a impression in, thought young Flanno played really well the confidence he will gain is immeasurable ,
Ha, a new version of the Flanghan. & Allen show will not be doing the rounds at the Liverpool empire,

Not much else to add really that hasn't already been said, we got the Tigers up next so back to winning ways for me ,

We 're still second and still up there competing, keep it going Redmen, onwards & upwards,

YNWA

Now that I've came back down to earth from sat and that I've watched the match in its entirety I have to say that that was probably the best derby I've ever seen,

It was a fantastic game ruined by a inept referee who failed miserably on every level, the man was a f***in disgrace,

The worst thing is Mirallas has even said himself he was amazed he stayed on the pitch. It wasn't just the derby either. Refs got every major decision wrong this weekend and something has to be done about it because they're ruining the game.

It was a fantastic game ruined by a inept referee who failed miserably on every level, the man was a f***in disgrace,

Dowd made two obvious errors the whole game.  If two mistakes is inept, all the players on display Saturday were worst than inept.

Dowd made two obvious errors the whole game.  If two mistakes is inept, all the players on display Saturday were worst than inept.

That challenge by Mirallas can easily end a players career, Suarez was very lucky to escape that without a broken leg or a ligament injury. That mistake alone by Dowd was more inept than any of the players performances.

That challenge by Mirallas can easily end a players career, Suarez was very lucky to escape that without a broken leg or a ligament injury. That mistake alone by Dowd was more inept than any of the players performances.

Actually Joe Allen's miss was more inept, at least an Everton player got in the way of Dowd's vision, Joe had no such excuse. And the tackle itself is not the ref's fault, that again lies squarely at the players feet.  For damn sure as well, maybe not from us Liverpool fans, but from some sections of the media and Everton fans and staff, that old chestnut of the ref ruining a game by deservedly sending (see I've never said Dowd got this decision correct) a player off.  That always galls me, most sending offs are deserved and are definitely the players fault, not the refs.

Actually Joe Allen's miss was more inept, at least an Everton player got in the way of Dowd's vision, Joe had no such excuse. And the tackle itself is not the ref's fault, that again lies squarely at the players feet.  For damn sure as well, maybe not from us Liverpool fans, but from some sections of the media and Everton fans and staff, that old chestnut of the ref ruining a game by deservedly sending (see I've never said Dowd got this decision correct) a player off.  That always galls me, most sending offs are deserved and are definitely the players fault, not the refs.

Not going to get into it too much, mainly because it's depressing we twice blew the lead but Dowd does his job properly and sends of Mirallas the game would have been completely different and Allen wouldn't had that miss. However, that said, for all we know we could have gone on to have a player sent off, conceded more or what ever, we'll never know. We just have to make amends and stuff them at Anfield where they wont know whats hit them.

Not going to get into it too much, mainly because it's depressing we twice blew the lead but Dowd does his job properly and sends of Mirallas the game would have been completely different and Allen wouldn't had that miss. However, that said, for all we know we could have gone on to have a player sent off, conceded more or what ever, we'll never know. We just have to make amends and stuff them at Anfield where they wont know whats hit them.

very well said. What is done is done, we can only look forward to the future and make adjustment. YNWA

2 words sum up my feelings:  Relieved and Aggrieved

I am relieved that we battled back from being down a goal and secured a point.  I am aggrieved that we were unable to take all 3 points (Joe Allen step forward).

I am relieved that we are still joint 2nd in the league with a winnable run of games coming up.  I am aggrieved that we missed the chance to put more space between us and the chasing pack. 

I am relieved that Suarez was not badly injured after all the abuse he got in the game.  I am aggrieved that Mirallas somehow escaped a red card that would have tipped the balance heavily in our favor. 

I am relieved the game is over as it is so emotionally draining.  I am aggrieved that I have to wait another week to watch our boys play. 

Special mention to Jon Flanagan who played fantastically well.  I have not been fond of Jon this year, but that was a magnificent performance and he now has the chance to nail down a regular starting role at LB with Enrique out for the next 3 months.

Pretty much my sentiment as well! Great summary!

Actually Joe Allen's miss was more inept, at least an Everton player got in the way of Dowd's vision, Joe had no such excuse. And the tackle itself is not the ref's fault, that again lies squarely at the players feet.  For damn sure as well, maybe not from us Liverpool fans, but from some sections of the media and Everton fans and staff, that old chestnut of the ref ruining a game by deservedly sending (see I've never said Dowd got this decision correct) a player off.  That always galls me, most sending offs are deserved and are definitely the players fault, not the refs.

What planet are you on 'berry' it was the refs fault Mirallass was still on the field if play ff's can't believe I'm even discussing this with a fellow supporter, Dowd may not have done Suarez himself but he failed to protect him and Henderson and in fact every other player in red by keeping him on the pitch , another bout of ineptitude , two things should happen now after the event, that other bunch of useless no marks namely the FA should serve at least a 3 match ban to the 'animal' Mirallas, and they should ban the 'inept ' Dowd from ever reffing a premier league match again this season ,

Beam me up Scotty  !

YNWA

What planet are you on 'berry' it was the refs fault Mirallass was still on the field if play ff's can't believe I'm even discussing this with a fellow supporter, Dowd may not have done Suarez himself but he failed to protect him and Henderson and in fact every other player in red by keeping him on the pitch , another bout of ineptitude , two things should happen now after the event, that other bunch of useless no marks namely the FA should serve at least a 3 match ban to the 'animal' Mirallas, and they should ban the 'inept ' Dowd from ever reffing a premier league match again this season ,

Beam me up Scotty  !

YNWA

I'm so sorry I don't believe in bashing refs, especially when they've made fewer mistakes than every player on the pitch.  I just don't expect refs to get 100% of decisions right and it doesn't matter if those mistakes are big or small, they happen.  Wrong side of the foul, not positionally, just visually and an Everton player runs past his line of sight as it happens.  Again I'm not saying he hasn't made a mistake, he has, just that his performance wasn't inept.

If you want to bash the ref for anything, it would be that maybe he actually did know it was a red card, but took the decision that the game had reached a high boiling point and a red card could have seen him lose control of the game.  I think cowardly would be too strong a phrase, but it would be a weak decision and it wouldn't be the first time I've seen a ref do this kind of thing, a ref on 606 said he has done exactly this.  I'm not one for video reffing, I'm not even entirely comfortable with goal line technology, but refs should have to review their own performance and have the power to rectify mistakes when it comes to cards and the FA should allow them.  A short prepared statement, after a ref has had a chance to review his game, wouldn't go amiss either. Their is no need for a wall of silence from officials, especially if fans stop expecting them to get 100% of decisions right.

that other bunch of useless no marks namely the FA should serve at least a 3 match ban to the 'animal' Mirallas, and they should ban the 'inept ' Dowd from ever reffing a premier league match again this season ,

I have to agree mate. It was bad enough that Dowd let Mirallas away with a booking for a truly horrendous tackle on Luis but to escape even a booking for his elbow on Henderson (which also drew blood) brought cowardice to a whole different level.

He didn't see the assault on Luis but  why, if he didn't see it, give a Yellow? However, he did see the elbow on Henderson and didn't book him and to rub salt into the wounds, when Jordan was still bleeding, he booked Joe Allen, for an innocuous trip on Mirallas FFS. You're right Billy; Mirallas was a F***ing animal and Dowd, a coward.

Brendan got it right when he asked what would have happened if Luis Suarez had done the same thing... I'm guessing he'd have been sent off, butchered by the media, turned on by some Liverpool fans (for "being stupid") and maybe punished again with FA retrospective punishment.

That's the thing; players do get punished for mistakes; they do get dropped; they do get slated by the press and they do get abuse for their 'mistakes'; why should Dowd not come under the same scrutiny? He bottled it, there's no two ways about it; even if you 'forgive' the foul(s) on Suarez, the elbow on Henderson would have been enough to see the back of a player out on a mission to maim.

Dowd, if he is any man at all, should throw his hands up and (at least) admit he was pish; the FA, if they were anyway even handed should 'drop' Dowd.

Dowd always seems to find a way of making himself the centre of attention can't stand the man he should never Referee another game.

Me Mum is an avid Liverpool fan, she said the ref was a joke - she knows best.

Maybe Rafa was right about Dowd, Dowd needs a pair of F***ing glasses.

Gerrard, Agger, Henderson, Lucas, Skrtel, Johnson, Moses and Allen all made 'inept' errors in the Derby.  Be interesting to see if they are all dropped, as some are saying Dowd should be.