Fabio Borini (Sunderland/QPR)

Can I ask, are Federer, Ribapuru and Hollywood Balls all the same person?

Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing of note.

Lambert was 4M because of his age. Had he been 23 or 24 his fee would have been much higher. Therefore you can not compare fees.

Really?

The day after his 23rd birthday Ricky Lambert moved to League Two club Rochdale for an undisclosed fee -so you're right that can't be compared to the 14 million pound bid Sunderland made for Borini.

Er, that you go from thread to thread contributing nothing of note?

Actually, the picture of the dog is probably the highlight of your posting history so I'll give you that.

Actually, the picture of the dog is probably the highlight of your posting history so I'll give you that.

Thanks mate, really means a lot that. Still not impressed that you used my own words against me though.

Anyway, I don't see why the lot of you are so desperate for Lambert to be a failure, at least allow the boy to play a competitive match for LFC before you start comparing him to Borini.

The single biggest advantage that Lambert has is experience.

Surely the most relevant comparison would be on the last season they both played

so last season games vs goals who was better
who was better assists, passes etc

what they were both doing 4 years ago in different leagues to the one we're playing with is about as important as what boots they were wearing at the time

Say what you like, but I actually like Borini. I personally think he WILL become a very good player for someone and also an established international. He hasn't had a fair crack of the whip for whichever reasons care to be mentioned, albeit mainly for Sturridge and Suarez playing so well together. He's still a kid really and still learning his trade.

The single biggest advantage that Lambert has is experience.

What experience does Lambert have of playing at a top level club?

The single biggest advantage that Lambert has is experience.

For me it is the Monte Python element that Lambert brings to the squad that is his main advantage...... and now for something completely different  

Rickie Lamberts experience of playing top level league football

2012–13   Premier League   38   15   
2013–14   Premier League   37   13

Fabio Borini
   
2012–13   Liverpool   Premier League   13   1   
2013–14   Sunderland   Premier League   32   7

Now dont get me wrong i like borini, but writing Lambert off because he played lower league football before he came to the prem is ludicrous       

What experience does Lambert have of playing at a top level club?

All that really matters

"They've offered to buy Fabio and that's where it's at. There is an agreement between the two clubs, but nothing is agreed with the player as of yet. So at the moment he's still very much a Liverpool player, but when that changes I'm sure you'll be among the first to know


http://www.ftbpro.com/posts/jamie.spencer/1102746/liverpool-accept-14m-sunderland-bid-for-fabio-borini

Rodgers on Rickie Lambert

"It has been so refreshing that he's got his call into the England team, and he certainly hasn't let anyone down, he has been outstanding.

"Look at his touch, look at the level of his goals, the different types of goals he has scored over his career, and he's a specialist on penalties as well.

"I think he is a terrific footballer and any team he plays against, he's always a handful."



http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rickie-lambert-liverpool-brendan-rodgers-3635864#ixzz39AbPVH1a
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All the rest of the bickering and arguing over who is better or who is worth means sh*t.


The gaffer accepted a bid for Borini and spent money to purchase Lambert.


End of story.

What experience does Lambert have of playing at a top level club?

He's been at Liverpool previously, he's scouse so won't need time to settle in the area, plus he will run through brick walls for the club. Most of this has been para-phrased from the interview I saw with Steven Gerrard the other night on LFCtv when he was asked about Lambert!!

Can the same be said for little Fabs and how many times has he cried off with injury since he's been at Liverpool?

Rodgers on Rickie Lambert

"It has been so refreshing that he's got his call into the England team, and he certainly hasn't let anyone down, he has been outstanding.

"Look at his touch, look at the level of his goals, the different types of goals he has scored over his career, and he's a specialist on penalties as well.

"I think he is a terrific footballer and any team he plays against, he's always a handful."



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All the rest of the bickering and arguing over who is better or who is worth means sh*t.


The gaffer accepted a bid for Borini and spent money to purchase Lambert.


End of story.

Er, no. The gaffer spent 4 million on Lambert and 11 million on Borini, making him his first signing.

he said about him:

 "He's one of the few young players in the full Italian squad," said the Liverpool manager.

"I'd anticipate that over the next two or three years he'll really progress and I'm sure do very well for Liverpool.

"Fabio fits the model of what we're trying to do in building not only for now, but also for the future.

"He's a big talent, 21 years of age, he scores goals, and his passion, focus and concentration is a very important part of his game - and a big part of what you want from a player."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18823096

So he spent more on the player and prioritised his signing. The transfer committee has also accepted a higher fee for him than we spent - rather like Suarez. If he wanted Lambert he could have picked him up two years ago for a fraction of the money he spent on Borini. End of story.

   
Now dont get me wrong i like borini, but writing Lambert off because he played lower league football before he came to the prem is ludicrous

No-one's writing him off - we are all happy he is here - going from a journeyman pro at the likes of Stockport and Rochdale to an England cap and playing for his boyhood club at the age of 31 is a fairytale story.

But trying to compare his career to the italian u-19 captain, one of UEFA's players of the U-19 European Championship tournament and someone who has been the subject of a 14 million pound bid is ludicrous.

The original point is that Borini has every reason to think he can get games here if Sturridge gets injured. If we sign someone else maybe that sitaution changes but, right now, he has every chance.

Can recall a certain Aquilani bloke also did well for Italy U-19s, and was signed (by us ) for a huge fee. He also had plenty of avid supporters on here ... but when it came down to it he was a nambi-pambi merchant who was made of glass, made absolutely no impact on the club whatsoever after his 20mill transfer, and was basically a complete failure of a signing as well as a huge waste of money.

Er, no. The gaffer spent 4 million on Lambert and 11 million on Borini, making him his first signing.

he said about him:

 "He's one of the few young players in the full Italian squad," said the Liverpool manager.

"I'd anticipate that over the next two or three years he'll really progress and I'm sure do very well for Liverpool.

"Fabio fits the model of what we're trying to do in building not only for now, but also for the future.

"He's a big talent, 21 years of age, he scores goals, and his passion, focus and concentration is a very important part of his game - and a big part of what you want from a player."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18823096

So he spent more on the player and prioritised his signing. The transfer committee has also accepted a higher fee for him than we spent - rather like Suarez. If he wanted Lambert he could have picked him up two years ago for a fraction of the money he spent on Borini. End of story.

Actually we have accepted a bid for Fabio Borini and are willing to let him go.

Brendan is not in need of cash..if he thought Fabio was going to be needed in the squad he would simply refuse the offer.

We have accepted the offer which means to me that Brendan Rodgers has decided Liverpool FC is no longer in need of Fabio's service.

The one and only reason he is still a member of LFC is because he chooses not to, not because the manager sees a place for him.

That is truly the end of the story.

Actually we have accepted a bid for Fabio Borini and are willing to let him go.

Brendan is not in need of cash..if he thought Fabio was going to be needed in the squad he would simply refuse the offer.

We have accepted the offer which means to me that Brendan Rodgers has decided Liverpool FC is no longer in need of Fabio's service.

The one and only reason he is still a member of LFC is because he chooses not to, not because the manager sees a place for him.

That is truly the end of the story.

The transfer committee has accepted the bid - Brendan's personal views are unknown.

What we do know is that he found a way to get Big Andy out of the door as he truly wasn't part of his plans. On the other hand he has been playing Borini as part of our preseason.

Your point is irrelevant to our original discussion in any case - if Sunderland had bid 14 million for Lambert he would be out of the door. The question we were debating was whether Borini has been playing at a higher level than Lambert in his career - and whichever way you look at he has, hence his transfer value is three times greater than Lambert's. Therefore Borini has every reason to think he can get games ahead of Lambert of Sturridge is injured.

THAT is the end of the story.

Can recall a certain Aquilani bloke also did well for Italy U-19s, and was signed (by us ) for a huge fee. He also had plenty of avid supporters on here ... but when it came down to it he was a nambi-pambi merchant who was made of glass, made absolutely no impact on the club whatsoever after his 20mill transfer, and was basically a complete failure of a signing as well as a huge waste of money.

Yes wonderful point. In future then let's not sign young international stars and go raiding the Rochdales and Stockports for our players - can't see any problems with that.

 

The transfer committee has accepted the bid - Brendan's personal views are unknown.

They are known

BRENDAN RODGERS insists he will have the final word on all transfers at Liverpool FC this summer.

The Reds boss has dismissed suggestions that he’s only part of a recruitment team who will make decisions by committee.

In the absence of a director of football, Dave Fallows (head of recruitment), Barry Hunter (chief scout) and Michael Edwards (head of analysis) are also key figures when it comes to assessing targets for owners Fenway Sports Group.

But Rodgers says the work of that trio makes his life easier and the manager retains full control over any potential signings as he looks to strengthen his squad.

“There is absolutely no way a player will come in here if I don’t want him,” Rodgers said.

“I will always be the first person it comes to. That’s not being arrogant, that’s how we operate here and how it works in this country.

“Abroad it works differently where you have a coach and the club will bring in the players. The coach then works with the players he’s given.

“A lot has been made of it but the fact is the process that happens here is no different to what happens at other English clubs.

“We have a number of people, scouting staff and analysts, who will look for targets who fit the profile of the players that we want.

“Then I will sit down with those guys, look at those targets and make a shortlist from that.

“All that work that goes on is of great help to me. We identify players, gather all the information we possibly can and then if they’re right for what we need it comes down to whether they are affordable and available.

“I know the club will go and do the best it can to get the players we want. But it’s very clear that anyone we sign will be because I want him here.”

Rodgers’ squad returned to training yesterday to start their preparations for Sunday’s Merseyside derby at Anfield.

The Reds are confident that Steven Gerrard will be fit to start against Everton.

The skipper came off in the closing stages of last weekend’s 6-0 thrashing of Newcastle after being hampered by an on-going shoulder injury.

Gerrard is set to need surgery to correct the problem this summer but is determined to battle on through the final three league games before going under the knife.



http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-manager-brendan-rodgers-3572303

Brendan makes all decisions incoming and outgoing, he has final and absolute say.


Please stop trying to wind everybody up it's boring.

Can recall a certain Aquilani bloke also did well for Italy U-19s, and was signed (by us ) for a huge fee. He also had plenty of avid supporters on here ... but when it came down to it he was a nambi-pambi merchant who was made of glass, made absolutely no impact on the club whatsoever after his 20mill transfer, and was basically a complete failure of a signing as well as a huge waste of money.

And to make it worse we bought him injured . What a true waste of time and money .

Yes wonderful point. In future then let's not sign young international stars and go raiding the Rochdales and Stockports for our players - can't see any problems with that.

Great idea. I mean you're never going to sign any liverpool class players from places like Scunthorpe, Crewe, Northampton, Chester, Partick or Ayr are you?

Strange last few pages in here.

Not quite sure why we are arguing about Lambert and Borini.

They are known

BRENDAN RODGERS insists he will have the final word on all transfers at Liverpool FC this summer.

The Reds boss has dismissed suggestions that he’s only part of a recruitment team who will make decisions by committee.

In the absence of a director of football, Dave Fallows (head of recruitment), Barry Hunter (chief scout) and Michael Edwards (head of analysis) are also key figures when it comes to assessing targets for owners Fenway Sports Group.

But Rodgers says the work of that trio makes his life easier and the manager retains full control over any potential signings as he looks to strengthen his squad.

“There is absolutely no way a player will come in here if I don’t want him,” Rodgers said.

“I will always be the first person it comes to. That’s not being arrogant, that’s how we operate here and how it works in this country.

“Abroad it works differently where you have a coach and the club will bring in the players. The coach then works with the players he’s given.

“A lot has been made of it but the fact is the process that happens here is no different to what happens at other English clubs.

“We have a number of people, scouting staff and analysts, who will look for targets who fit the profile of the players that we want.

“Then I will sit down with those guys, look at those targets and make a shortlist from that.

“All that work that goes on is of great help to me. We identify players, gather all the information we possibly can and then if they’re right for what we need it comes down to whether they are affordable and available.

“I know the club will go and do the best it can to get the players we want. But it’s very clear that anyone we sign will be because I want him here.”

Rodgers’ squad returned to training yesterday to start their preparations for Sunday’s Merseyside derby at Anfield.

The Reds are confident that Steven Gerrard will be fit to start against Everton.

The skipper came off in the closing stages of last weekend’s 6-0 thrashing of Newcastle after being hampered by an on-going shoulder injury.

Gerrard is set to need surgery to correct the problem this summer but is determined to battle on through the final three league games before going under the knife.



http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-manager-brendan-rodgers-3572303

Brendan makes all decisions incoming and outgoing, he has final and absolute say.


Please stop trying to wind everybody up it's boring.

I've explained to you why your point is irrelevant to the discussion for a number of reasons - if you are incapable of understanding these it's probably better that you don't comment rather than trying to reiterate yourself with these quotes which
a) are about bringing players into the club (such as Borini for nearly three times the expenditure of Lambert) and
b) acknowledge the existence of the transfer committee who have decided on the fee that they would be happy to see Borini leave for (almost the cost of the two players combined).


I'll spell it out for you one last time, as things currently stand, Borini has every right to stay and back himself to get games this season - his competition is currently a player who has consistently played at a lower level throughout his career and is here because he was available on a cheap deal.

Whatever happens this window, the manager has made his decision to bring Borini in as his first signing and at a much higher price than he was willing to pay for Lambert -whether or not he sells him on for a profit doesn't alter those two facts about the respective merit of the players.

Deal with it.

Whatever happens this window, the manager has made his decision to bring Borini in as his first signing and at a much higher price than he was willing to pay for Lambert -whether or not he sells him on for a profit doesn't alter those two facts about the respective merit of the players.

Lambert at 32 would never command the same transfer fee as a young up and coming player such as Borini though HB so I'm not really sure of the relevance .

Still a bit confused as to what this debate is all about as well.

Great idea. I mean you're never going to sign any liverpool class players from places like Scunthorpe, Crewe, Northampton, Chester, Partick or Ayr are you?

You're missing the point - I'm not the one ruling out those clubs because of an anecdote about how a lower league player didn't work out one time.