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      Adam Lallana Player Thread

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      Re: Adam Lallana Player Thread
      Reply #1775: Jul 16, 2019 07:16:43 am
      You got the first part right and the 2nd massively wrong.

      For a depth player the way Lallana is, he is a great option to have. He presses like a mad man and has good skills. The 1-1 draw against West Ham, our goal came from a Lallana playing keep-away with a bunch of WH players and finding an open Milner and Mane put away.  Against Burnley where we won 4-2, our 2nd goal came because Lallana sprinted towards the Burnley player and won the ball near their goal and Mane finished it.

      He makes plenty of impact when he is on the field, but the problem keeps being him staying fit, which is why i think he'll be allowed to finish off his contract and leave on a free.

      Agreed - I personally think he’s a great footballer (when used correctly, not as a pacy forward player) and superb option off the bench
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      Reply #1776: Jul 16, 2019 08:11:41 am
      Agreed - I personally think he’s a great footballer (when used correctly, not as a pacy forward player) and superb option off the bench

      OK OK Lallana when completely fit and injury free can have some good moments but the problem is that normally as soon as he has one or two games playing well he'll get another niggle and be out for a few more weeks/months with then some more weeks to get to full fitness again. Unless that changes then he is a complete waste of money and a drain on the club finances, much like Sturridge was.
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      Reply #1777: Jul 16, 2019 01:19:56 pm
      Looks like Adam is taking over from Jordan for this coming season. We haven't kicked a ball of this new season the glow of Madrid is still strong and the knives are out for a Liverpool player who Klopp really rates.

      Walt, what do you mean he's taking over for Jordan?
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      Reply #1778: Jul 16, 2019 01:31:47 pm
      Walt, what do you mean he's taking over for Jordan?
      Well its going to be difficult to slag off Hendo now having lifted the European Cup isn't it.
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      Reply #1779: Jul 16, 2019 01:53:45 pm
      Well its going to be difficult to slag off Hendo now having lifted the European Cup isn't it.


      Depends how he plays, no one is or should be immune from criticism.
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      Reply #1780: Jul 16, 2019 02:22:17 pm
      Well its going to be difficult to slag off Hendo now having lifted the European Cup isn't it.

      Oh you mean taking over as a designated receiver of abuse. I follow you now. I thought you meant on the park.

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      Reply #1781: Jul 16, 2019 02:26:57 pm
      Depends how he plays, no one is or should be immune from criticism.

      you must live in a perfect world.
      just f**king moaning for moaning sake is tiresome. You suck the life out of all the positives from what Jürgen and the Boys did last season.
      Don't listen or take heed of my musings just open your ears and listen to Jürgen.
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      Reply #1782: Jul 16, 2019 05:14:06 pm
      you must live in a perfect world.
      just f**king moaning for moaning sake is tiresome. You suck the life out of all the positives from what Jürgen and the Boys did last season.
      Don't listen or take heed of my musings just open your ears and listen to Jürgen.

      Excuse me, I was one of the ones who kept thinking and believing we would win the league right up to the end whilst quite a few on here were going into gloom mode so I won't accept that critique from you.
      I am not negative about our team at all, I think its a superb team as witnessed last season, but I do think we need one more quality forward.
      That is all we need to be completely dominant in all competitions, just one £100m+ quality forward, is it really to much to ask?
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      Reply #1783: Jul 16, 2019 08:59:31 pm
      Excuse me, I was one of the ones who kept thinking and believing we would win the league right up to the end whilst quite a few on here were going into gloom mode so I won't accept that critique from you.
      I am not negative about our team at all, I think its a superb team as witnessed last season, but I do think we need one more quality forward.
      That is all we need to be completely dominant in all competitions, just one £100m+ quality forward, is it really to much to ask?

      I honestly don't think there are any £100M forwards out there atm?
      Suarez = Old
      Cavani = Old
      Lewandowski = Old
      Kane = Never coming to us
      Icardi = Not £100M
      Belotti = Not good enough


      Honestly can't think of a striker worth going for.


      ON TOPIC-

      I think lallana needs to move on if he wants to realistically play more than 1000 minutes this season
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      Reply #1784: Jul 16, 2019 10:03:53 pm
      I honestly don't think there are any £100M forwards out there atm?
      Suarez = Old
      Cavani = Old
      Lewandowski = Old
      Kane = Never coming to us
      Icardi = Not £100M
      Belotti = Not good enough


      Honestly can't think of a striker worth going for.


      ON TOPIC-

      I think lallana needs to move on if he wants to realistically play more than 1000 minutes this season

      I think if he's fit he''ll get plenty of minutes. The issue is just whether his fitness will hold up. Jürgen is in a better position than us to assess that. Hopefully Lallana was just unlucky over the last year. He's a quality player if fit.
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      Reply #1785: Jul 16, 2019 10:33:58 pm
      I think if he's fit he''ll get plenty of minutes. The issue is just whether his fitness will hold up. Jürgen is in a better position than us to assess that. Hopefully Lallana was just unlucky over the last year. He's a quality player if fit.

      you would hope the physios have done their Job and Jürgen is convinced he will be able to use him when needed. If he is fit again and the pre season games give him some much needed match fitness then he will be an asset to the squad
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      Re: Adam Lallana Player Thread
      Reply #1786: Jul 17, 2019 07:59:54 am
      How can we deem Lallana as potential to still be an asset? He’s done nothing in the last 2 years. Yes he’s had lots of injuries in that time but he’s still made 31 appearances in that time.

      I remember in one game in particular last season, he was through on goal 1v1 and his legs completely went and the chance was gone. Then there is the play that led to the Mane goal against West Ham a few people are saying. Yes it was a good bit of play but ultimately that would have been completely forgotten had the officials actually done their job properly because of how far offside Milner was. Though it was nice for a decision like that to go in our favour for a change!

      But people are saying he presses like a mad man and more than anyone else. Well if he was still capable of doing that then why is Klopp looking to use him in a Jorginho type role where running is at a minimum compared to elsewhere on the pitch?

      The days of Lallana being an asset are gone....2 years gone in fact. Maybe I’m being harsh but IMO he’s only had a good 6 months the entire time he’s been at the club and that was when Klopp first came in.

      Maybe I’m being harsh, I don’t know. I just think we’ve moved on from the likes of Lallana now.

      Moreno has actually put in better performances over the last 2 years than Lallana and people couldn’t wait to get shot of him.
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      Reply #1787: Jul 17, 2019 08:52:51 am
      How can we deem Lallana as potential to still be an asset? He’s done nothing in the last 2 years. Yes he’s had lots of injuries in that time but he’s still made 31 appearances in that time.

      I remember in one game in particular last season, he was through on goal 1v1 and his legs completely went and the chance was gone. Then there is the play that led to the Mane goal against West Ham a few people are saying. Yes it was a good bit of play but ultimately that would have been completely forgotten had the officials actually done their job properly because of how far offside Milner was. Though it was nice for a decision like that to go in our favour for a change!

      But people are saying he presses like a mad man and more than anyone else. Well if he was still capable of doing that then why is Klopp looking to use him in a Jorginho type role where running is at a minimum compared to elsewhere on the pitch?

      The days of Lallana being an asset are gone....2 years gone in fact. Maybe I’m being harsh but IMO he’s only had a good 6 months the entire time he’s been at the club and that was when Klopp first came in.

      Maybe I’m being harsh, I don’t know. I just think we’ve moved on from the likes of Lallana now.

      Moreno has actually put in better performances over the last 2 years than Lallana and people couldn’t wait to get shot of him.

      So again you have more insight into the player than the Manager.
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      Reply #1788: Jul 17, 2019 09:10:11 am
      How can we deem Lallana as potential to still be an asset? He’s done nothing in the last 2 years. Yes he’s had lots of injuries in that time but he’s still made 31 appearances in that time.

      I remember in one game in particular last season, he was through on goal 1v1 and his legs completely went and the chance was gone. Then there is the play that led to the Mane goal against West Ham a few people are saying. Yes it was a good bit of play but ultimately that would have been completely forgotten had the officials actually done their job properly because of how far offside Milner was. Though it was nice for a decision like that to go in our favour for a change!

      But people are saying he presses like a mad man and more than anyone else. Well if he was still capable of doing that then why is Klopp looking to use him in a Jorginho type role where running is at a minimum compared to elsewhere on the pitch?

      The days of Lallana being an asset are gone....2 years gone in fact. Maybe I’m being harsh but IMO he’s only had a good 6 months the entire time he’s been at the club and that was when Klopp first came in.

      Maybe I’m being harsh, I don’t know. I just think we’ve moved on from the likes of Lallana now.

      Moreno has actually put in better performances over the last 2 years than Lallana and people couldn’t wait to get shot of him.

      Think you're being a bit harsh mate, he's put in some very decent performances last season, and some anonymous ones. Personally, I'd keep him because we need the depth in the squad. I'd rather play him in domestic cup games and rest the others.

      You're right that we as a club have upgraded from Lallana, but not as a bench warmer who can come in and do a decent job.
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      Reply #1789: Jul 17, 2019 03:33:52 pm
      So again you have more insight into the player than the Manager.

      Forgot you don’t like people having an opinion unless it’s kissing the ass of a player. So like usual, just like clockwork, someone says something that doesn’t hype a player up and it’s suddenly knowing more than the manager. But by your logic that must mean that anyone who kisses ass of a player must know just as much as Klopp, if saying something different to the situation means knowing more than Klopp, then I guess we are all on his level when praising a player.

      It’s called an opinion, you don’t have start calling your solicitor and taking it to heart. 

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      Reply #1790: Jul 17, 2019 05:57:51 pm
      I actually rate Lallana. Not highly, but I think all the criticism I'm reading is mostly undeserved. I don't expect him to become the first name on the team sheet week in week out, but I have no doubt he could become a more than decent alternative to enable proper rotation of our midfielders and/or cover from injuries for the team.

      He has a great engine on him when on form and his high workrate to me seems precisely made for the kind of game Klopp likes to play. Whether he can stay relatively on form and relatively injury free is another business altogether, that I glady leave to the medical staff to evaluate.

      I have no idea how much he earns and if it's too much money for a player that should more often than not be a bench warmer, but the way some here so easily berate and forget the contributions of our own players to me is quite sad. This guy has been fighting to recover from injuries for quite a while - I'd give him one last chance this season. Maybe I'm soft like that, I don't know.

      In any case, I fully trust in Klopp's judgment on this matter.
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      Reply #1791: Jul 17, 2019 06:23:09 pm
      I actually rate Lallana. Not highly, but I think all the criticism I'm reading is mostly undeserved. I don't expect him to become the first name on the team sheet week in week out, but I have no doubt he could become a more than decent alternative to enable proper rotation of our midfielders and/or cover from injuries for the team.

      He has a great engine on him when on form and his high workrate to me seems precisely made for the kind of game Klopp likes to play. Whether he can stay relatively on form and relatively injury free is another business altogether, that I glady leave to the medical staff to evaluate.

      I have no idea how much he earns and if it's too much money for a player that should more often than not be a bench warmer, but the way some here so easily berate and forget the contributions of our own players to me is quite sad. This guy has been fighting to recover from injuries for quite a while - I'd give him one last chance this season. Maybe I'm soft like that, I don't know.

      In any case, I fully trust in Klopp's judgment on this matter.

      I have no issue with his talent, just his injury record.
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      Reply #1792: Jul 17, 2019 06:48:28 pm
      Forgot you don’t like people having an opinion unless it’s kissing the ass of a player. So like usual, just like clockwork, someone says something that doesn’t hype a player up and it’s suddenly knowing more than the manager. But by your logic that must mean that anyone who kisses ass of a player must know just as much as Klopp, if saying something different to the situation means knowing more than Klopp, then I guess we are all on his level when praising a player.

      It’s called an opinion, you don’t have start calling your solicitor and taking it to heart. 



      I have the opinion other peoples opinions are wrong get over it. its a forum isn't it. Kissing the ass of a Liverpool player just line them up there  will be a queue. Why not find a post where I have hyped up a player I defend them from complete nonsense comments that have no facts in them. Just like the endless crap about Henderson you know the one who lifted the CL I suppose all the sh*t levelled at him was just opinion.
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      Reply #1793: Jul 17, 2019 06:55:58 pm
      I have the opinion other peoples opinions are wrong get over it. its a forum isn't it. Kissing the ass of a Liverpool player just line them up there  will be a queue. Why not find a post where I have hyped up a player I defend them from complete nonsense comments that have no facts in them. Just like the endless crap about Henderson you know the one who lifted the CL I suppose all the sh*t levelled at him was just opinion.

      So you disagree with an opinion yet instead of debating it is just constantly throw around the old chestnut of knowing more than the manager.

      What’s this got to do with Henderson and why would I go find a post of yours defending him when I’m talking about Lallana? Lots of people have defended him or are you just looking for some sort of Good Samaritan medal - in fact I think you are after just that because I’ve seen you post a number of times lately about how you defended him.

      Untwist them kecks lad because like you say “it’s a forum” and ultimately I’m not looking for justification from you on my view about Lallana...believe it or not.
      « Last Edit: Jul 17, 2019 07:05:34 pm by 7-King Kenny-7 »
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      Re: Adam Lallana Player Thread
      Reply #1794: Jul 17, 2019 10:02:54 pm
      Klopps words
      You see the sessions here, what a footballer he is, it’s incredible.
      “Still it feels like people say, ‘He was injured, he was injured’ – yes, but in the moment he is not. I had, for example, Ilkay Gundogan, who was twice, if not three times, really seriously injured and now for one or two years he is playing completely without any injury.
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      Reply #1795: Jul 17, 2019 10:33:54 pm
      Klopps words
      You see the sessions here, what a footballer he is, it’s incredible.
      “Still it feels like people say, ‘He was injured, he was injured’ – yes, but in the moment he is not. I had, for example, Ilkay Gundogan, who was twice, if not three times, really seriously injured and now for one or two years he is playing completely without any injury.

      Are you really comparing Gundogan with Lallana here? Lallana who is past his peak years now, 31 and still picking up injuries on a regular basis with a 20 something player. Oh and by the way, no matter how much we love Klopp, he's wrong about Gundogan because he missed about 10 games last season with a hamstring injury, including the 0-0 draw with us. (note, this does not mean I'm saying I'm now more qualified than Klopp).

      I'm not sure what your point is exactly. You haven't actually replied to anything from my initial post, but you have somehow managed to bring Henderson and now Gundogan into it.

      It's also very selective that quote you posted from Klopp about Lallana because when talking about this new role for Lallana, he goes on to say it would be used only in games we are very dominant. -"“Outstanding players, you always try to find the best position on the pitch and in some games it’s possible the best position for Adam Lallana is the No.6. It must be a very dominant game, by the way, but he can play that. “That’s why we do it, using pre-season for little experiments. That’s it.”"

      So basically he's trying to find a role for Lallana because at the moment, there are plenty of players ahead of him in every position. Every other player is playing in their main position, apart from Lallana. I think that says it all about how much in the plans he is for next season. Experimenting using Lallana in a position that could be his best position now but is only likely to play in games we are really dominating. What's the point of that? If there is a game we are expected to heavily dominate then the chances are, something like that would be worked on during training in the build up to the game, not in pre-season. He's trying to find a role for him that limits his risk of injury because virtually all of his injuries are muscular, like Sturridge, he can't play that pressing game without a risk of injuring himself.

      He may well be looking damn good in training, shame it's been a completely different story in our 2 matches so far, Bradford in particular where he kept on getting tackled whilst trying to do his drag backs. It will be like Sturridge last season, he will have the odd game here and there, maybe even put in the odd decent performance but in a years time he will be out the door on a free transfer.
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      Reply #1796: Jul 17, 2019 10:36:35 pm
      Are you really comparing Gundogan with Lallana here? Lallana who is past his peak years now, 31 and still picking up injuries on a regular basis with a 20 something player. Oh and by the way, no matter how much we love Klopp, he's wrong about Gundogan because he missed about 10 games last season with a hamstring injury, including the 0-0 draw with us. (note, this does not mean I'm saying I'm now more qualified than Klopp).

      I'm not sure what you're point is exactly. You haven't actually replied to anything from my initial post, but you have somehow managed to bring Henderson and now Gundogan into it.

      It's also very selective that quote you posted from Klopp about Lallana because when talking about this new role for Lallana, he goes on to say it would be used only in games we are very dominant. -"“Outstanding players, you always try to find the best position on the pitch and in some games it’s possible the best position for Adam Lallana is the No.6. It must be a very dominant game, by the way, but he can play that."

      So basically he's trying to find a role for Lallana because at the moment, there are plenty of players ahead of him in every position.

      He may well be looking damn good in training, shame it's been a completely different story in our 2 matches so far. It will be like Sturridge last season, he will have the odd game here and there, maybe even put in the odd decent performance but in a years time he will be out the door on a free transfer.

      I am not comparing anything did you not see these are Jurgens words if you know better then fair enough.
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      Reply #1797: Jul 17, 2019 10:51:33 pm
      I am not comparing anything did you not see these are Jurgens words if you know better then fair enough.

      There you go again with the knowing better bollocks!!! :lmao:. You are obsessed with that.
      It's not even a case of knowing better than Klopp, it's how it is, he was injured, simple. I don't expect Klopp to remember every little detail about another teams injury record....gives you an oppurtunity to say your favourite saying about knowing better though so I walked into that one.

      Well you are comparing because you are the one that used that quote, im sure Klopp has said other things about Lallana's injury record than that. I highlighted in my initial post that his legs are gone and how Klopp is looking to change his role and when Klopp says his best position could now be as a 6, but will only be used for that in a game we are really dominating, you completely miss that part out. Like I said, you are failing to reply to anything from my initial post but have now gone to your past defence of Henderson whilst others were slating him, a Man City player and about me apparently thinking I know better than Klopp...(twice)!

      If you cant actually reply to my initial post properly then why are you bothering to post at all? instead you are replying with rubbish and then giving me +1's saying how you find it funny and how it made you laugh. Pass yourself off as this number 1 fan all you like but it doesn't change how petty, selective and dismissive you are.
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      Re: Adam Lallana Player Thread
      Reply #1798: Jul 18, 2019 08:23:12 am
      I have the opinion other peoples opinions are wrong get over it. its a forum isn't it. Kissing the ass of a Liverpool player just line them up there  will be a queue. Why not find a post where I have hyped up a player I defend them from complete nonsense comments that have no facts in them. Just like the endless crap about Henderson you know the one who lifted the CL I suppose all the sh*t levelled at him was just opinion.

      upticked this for the most egomaniacal post of the year, "It's all about MEEEEE!!!!"
      Basically you are right and everyone else is wrong, what a wonderful outlook on life!
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      Reply #1799: Jul 18, 2019 09:52:20 am
      you are clearly in the running for tosser of the  year.
      I continue to quote Jurgens words and people still challenge them and I continue to support our wonderful players and people like you continue to attack them. We had the constant vitriolic attacks on Hendo last season and the lad picked up the CL Trophy as Captain so now its on to Lallana as the next easy target and despite the praise from Jürgen you and your ilk know better it makes me sick.

      Chill it’s a free country posters can have a different view from yourself doesn’t make either of you a greater fan.

      Jürgen also praised players who he then let go it’s just his nature.

      He praises Mignolet constantly!

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