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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #100: Sep 15, 2016 01:32:06 pm
      I know that he isn't world class but Klopp believes in him because he is using him as an entry sub. He was chosen before Grujic, who is much better talented.

      I think since he is a Liverpool fan, he is playing with passion and proudness of wearing this shirt.

      He can improve under Klopp but he isn't very young either. Keep working hard because you're doing something right since Klopp offered him a contract this Summer and is in his plans.

      23 I think, so he still has time, plus he won't peak for at least another couple of years.
      Hopefully Klopp works him and he continues to improve.
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #101: Sep 15, 2016 02:29:40 pm
      23 I think, so he still has time, plus he won't peak for at least another couple of years.
      Hopefully Klopp works him and he continues to improve.

      I said he isn't young, in the sense, he is not 18 years old. 23 years old is that age that either steps up or break him. Hopefully, he will be a little late bloomer.
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      Reply #102: Sep 15, 2016 02:38:28 pm
      I said he isn't young, in the sense, he is not 18 years old. 23 years old is that age that either steps up or break him. Hopefully, he will be a little late bloomer.

      Yeah, I knew what you meant mate, I was just saying the same thing as you, re: late bloomer.
      With Klopp driving him on, he could become a lot better when he hits his prime.
      Then again, as you say, he might not.
      Only time will tell I guess, but I do like his attitude.
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #103: Sep 15, 2016 03:12:59 pm
      23 I think, so he still has time, plus he won't peak for at least another couple of years.
      Hopefully Klopp works him and he continues to improve.

      Thing is with Kev though he's not come through the normal Academy setup so his peak years maybe some way off yet.  He only got signed to an Academy at 17, so also hasn't been over coached like a lot of lads are at a young age, which I think is probably why he's learning his role so quickly.

      He's a tough cookie too.
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #104: Sep 15, 2016 03:21:35 pm
      Thing is with Kev though he's not come through the normal Academy setup so his peak years maybe some way off yet.  He only got signed to an Academy at 17, so also hasn't been over coached like a lot of lads are at a young age, which I think is probably why he's learning his role so quickly.

      He's a tough cookie too.

      Once again I learn something from your posts 'debs. :) Your knowledge of the young players is great.
      I was unaware that he hadn't been "academised", and like you say, that might be a good thing.
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      Reply #105: Sep 15, 2016 03:32:11 pm
      Once again I learn something from your posts 'debs. :) Your knowledge of the young players is great.
      I was unaware that he hadn't been "academised", and like you say, that might be a good thing.

      He was a Grammar School kid mate, his parents wanted him to have an academic/professional career not waste his time playing football so he just played for his school and local team until Spurs picked him up.

      He's a massive Red too so I bet he's like a sponge in training, soaking up every bit of info to help him improve.  It's no wonder Jürgen likes him.
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #106: Sep 15, 2016 03:41:25 pm
      He was a Grammar School kid mate, his parents wanted him to have an academic/professional career not waste his time playing football so he just played for his school and local team until Spurs picked him up.

      He's a massive Red too so I bet he's like a sponge in training, soaking up every bit of info to help him improve.  It's no wonder Jürgen likes him.

      Fair play to his parents then, I completely agree with them.
      There'll be plenty of time to further his education when his playing career is over, and having a back up plan is something we sadly don't see enough of, especially as the majority of academy kids don't make it.
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      Reply #107: Sep 15, 2016 03:50:00 pm
      Fair play to his parents then, I completely agree with them.
      There'll be plenty of time to further his education when his playing career is over, and having a back up plan is something we sadly don't see enough of, especially as the majority of academy kids don't make it.

      Agreed mate but it also goes to show what a determined lad he is that he's done it anyway.  I can imagine the discussions/arguments after getting him to concentrate on his education only to have him choose footy at a time when they were expecting him to start his A Levels and planning which Uni he'd go to.

      Fair play to both sides.
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      Reply #108: Sep 15, 2016 05:08:34 pm
      Agreed mate but it also goes to show what a determined lad he is that he's done it anyway.  I can imagine the discussions/arguments after getting him to concentrate on his education only to have him choose footy at a time when they were expecting him to start his A Levels and planning which Uni he'd go to.

      Fair play to both sides.

      Yep.
      He has every right to chase his dream, but seems level headed enough to know he can always go back to school if it doesn't work out.

      Frankly, I think we need more players like him, with his attitude and application.
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #109: Sep 15, 2016 05:17:50 pm
      Yep.
      He has every right to chase his dream, but seems level headed enough to know he can always go back to school if it doesn't work out.

      Frankly, I think we need more players like him, with his attitude and application.

      Agreed mate. 
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #110: Sep 15, 2016 08:50:29 pm
      One thing I really like about Stewart is that he quietly does the business for us.

      When he's been introduced in matches lately, he's quietly sured things up and we've looked less volatile (look at the Arsenal match). Likewise against Leicester, we quietly saw the game out without any hassle when he came on.

      I think he could be a very important player in terms of handling game management - he doesn't panic and neither does he seem overawed by the opposition.

      I think he can only get better under Klopp and it's nice to see an increasingly reliable player on the bench.
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #111: Sep 16, 2016 01:15:31 am
      i cant say that i'm impressed with Stewart, i don't think that he offers much.

      However saying that he does not look overwhelmed and has not done any glaring mistakes that i am aware of
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      Reply #112: Sep 16, 2016 08:30:58 am
      One thing I really like about Stewart is that he quietly does the business for us.
      At this stage he's proving to be a solid squad player mate and it's great (in my opinion) to see squad players coming from 'within' the set up and not bought in. Oh... and... all the better if he can make it as a first XI regular starter.


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      Reply #113: Sep 16, 2016 11:14:53 am
      it's great (in my opinion) to see squad players coming from 'within' the set up and not bought in. Oh... and... all the better if he can make it as a first XI regular starter.

      Two things, here.

      You've slagged off the transfer policy of the club and the lack of expenditure. So do you really like to see players from within the setup and not brought in?

      But at the same time, Kevin was brought in on a free at 20 years old from Tottenham and he's 23 now. He's hardly from "within" the set up. He's as much "within" the setup as Emre Can.
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #114: Sep 16, 2016 11:46:51 am
      i cant say that i'm impressed with Stewart, i don't think that he offers much.

      However saying that he does not look overwhelmed and has not done any glaring mistakes that i am aware of

      He doesn't have to offer a lot, he just has to help us win the ball back and sit in front of the defence.
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      Reply #115: Sep 16, 2016 12:45:50 pm
      You've slagged off the transfer policy of the club and the lack of expenditure.
      Lack of expenditure?

      Nah... check again - you may be surprised that what you think I've said and what I've actually said are two different things but listen, it's no big deal you aren't alone in doing that. And... if you get a few 'likes' from like minded folk for believing that then it's all good in my eyes.  :gt-happyup:

      So do you really like to see players from within the setup and not brought in?
      Oh dear, is that what you think I said?

      Take your time and read it again... I do not like to see SQUAD players being BOUGHT (not "brought") in - never have...  if you care to check back, you'll see that. Is there something about that opinion which offends you?   :laugh:

      But at the same time, Kevin was brought in on a free at 20 years old from Tottenham and he's 23 now. He's hardly from "within" the set up. He's as much "within" the setup as Emre Can.
      I reckon that he has been promoted from within and that he is a squad player but listen; if you reckon his path has been similar to Emre Can's... fair enough, I'm sure it's a valid take on what happened.

      It is only an opinion, I'm not that attached to it.  :laugh:

      Credit where it's due for Brendan in seeing his (and Emre's) potential, I suppose. Assuming 'you' are one of those who believe Brendan was responsible, for all transfers, obviously.   8)
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #116: Sep 16, 2016 02:19:49 pm


      Credit where it's due for Brendan in seeing his (and Emre's) potential, I suppose. Assuming 'you' are one of those who believe Brendan was responsible, for all transfers, obviously.   8)

      Always been my way mate. Kenny bought Suarez because he was in charge when we signed him, Rodgers I'm afraid has to take the rap for Markovic, Balotelli, Mignolet etc just as Rafa has to for Albert Waterman. Similarly obviously if we're going to blame a manager for "spunking" 300 million quid (or indeed for "not giving the go ahead" for signing Maine for 6 million quid twelve months earlier or whatever it was), we have to also give him credit for the likes of Sturridge, Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Lovren, Clyne, etc etc. It's what being balanced, consistent and sensible is all about.

      As for Stewart, he's OK isn't he? I'd be a little gutted if we had paid much for him as he obviously isn't going to play over often and IMHO isn't ever likely to be a shining light. I can see the similarity to Emre Can in that he's youngish and plays in midfield, has dark hair, etc, but beyond that it seems like an odd comparison as we (Rodgers) paid 10 million for Can whereas Kevin Stewart was a free agent when we got him (another good pick up) after he'd been released by Spurs.

      I'm another who has slagged "lack of expenditure", but I think the confusion people are getting themselves into is that they naturally assume that equals transfer fees. Sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't, but in the reign of FSG there have been plenty of players available on free transfers who we haven't bought because we won't pay the wages. Similarly, there have been plenty of players we have bid for and haven't got (some of them were/are quite good too) because we wouldn't pay the wages. Expenditure isn't just about transfer fees, perhaps that's where wires get crossed.

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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #117: Sep 16, 2016 03:02:50 pm
      Lack of expenditure?

      Nah... check again - you may be surprised that what you think I've said and what I've actually said are two different things but listen, it's no big deal you aren't alone in doing that. And... if you get a few 'likes' from like minded folk for believing that then it's all good in my eyes.  :gt-happyup:
      Oh dear, is that what you think I said?

      Take your time and read it again... I do not like to see SQUAD players being BOUGHT (not "brought") in - never have...  if you care to check back, you'll see that. Is there something about that opinion which offends you?   :laugh:
      I reckon that he has been promoted from within and that he is a squad player but listen; if you reckon his path has been similar to Emre Can's... fair enough, I'm sure it's a valid take on what happened.

      It is only an opinion, I'm not that attached to it.  :laugh:

      Credit where it's due for Brendan in seeing his (and Emre's) potential, I suppose. Assuming 'you' are one of those who believe Brendan was responsible, for all transfers, obviously.   8)

      Emre was "bought" as a squad player under Brendan, no?
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      Reply #118: Sep 16, 2016 07:08:43 pm
      Emre was "bought" as a squad player under Brendan, no?

      Yes (if you say so... you're probably right) and what; I'm supposed to change my opinion because of Can?

      I'd prefer if we didn't buy squad players. I'd prefer we used the money to buy guaranteed starters. I believe that this is the best way to strengthen the team.

      I also believe it to be a valid viewpoint and I've held that PoV through the years, from Rafa (and beyond) - that can be checked too, if you can be arsed (I can't  :P )

      Although it would be 'nice' if you shared that opinion, I'll lose no sleep if you don't mate: it's only an opinion.  8)
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #119: Sep 16, 2016 07:17:09 pm
      Yes (if you say so... you're probably right) and what; I'm supposed to change my opinion because of Can?

      I'd prefer if we didn't buy squad players. I'd prefer we used the money to buy guaranteed starters. I believe that this is the best way to strengthen the team.

      It's all relative, isn't it?

      A squad player to one person is a key player to another.

      I mean, just look at Firmino.
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #120: Sep 16, 2016 07:29:52 pm
      Yes (if you say so... you're probably right) and what; I'm supposed to change my opinion because of Can?

      I'd prefer if we didn't buy squad players. I'd prefer we used the money to buy guaranteed starters. I believe that this is the best way to strengthen the team.

      I also believe it to be a valid viewpoint and I've held that PoV through the years, from Rafa (and beyond) - that can be checked too, if you can be arsed (I can't  :P )

      Alough it would be 'nice' if you shared that opinion, I'll lose no sleep if you don't mate: it's only an opinion.  8)

      Yep that's my view too mate. If you want to improve the team, you have to buy players that are better than those already in the team, or maybe players with the potential to be better than the players in the team if your happy to gamble and wait.

      Bringing in players specifically as squad players may add options, but if they aren't better than the players already in the team they are not options you want to take.
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #121: Sep 16, 2016 07:36:51 pm
      Gotta hand it to you, BBB.

      Got some posters hanging off your words like a mother bird feeding worms to her hatchlings.
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      Re: Kevin Stewart Player Thread
      Reply #122: Sep 16, 2016 07:41:47 pm
      Gotta hand it to you, BBB.

      Got some posters hanging off your words like a mother bird feeding worms to her hatchlings.

      Make a good point and maybe someone will agree with you once in a while too :)
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      Reply #123: Sep 16, 2016 07:46:08 pm
      Make a good point and maybe someone will agree with you once in a while too :)

      I reckon a few agree there's some agendas and inconsistencies floating about.

      *chirp chirp*
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      Reply #124: Sep 16, 2016 07:52:06 pm
      I reckon a few agree there's some agendas and inconsistencies floating about.

      *chirp chirp*

      No agenda here mate, you only have to look back through my posts to see that I have always believed in buying quality not quantity.

      I think you spend too much time trying to defend FSG rather than questioning why we have done so poorly during their time as owners, but that's not an agenda just my opinion. 

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