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      Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)

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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1260: Feb 01, 2019 10:03:00 am
      Wish this lad all the best.  Clearly came to as too young and with too big a price tag on his head.

      Not that young now is he, plus considerably richer than he was, yet still sh*t. A truly baffling signing from Rodgers and Transfer committee and shameful that he never wanted to move on and progress his career! I would also add that its a weird signing from Fulham.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1261: Feb 01, 2019 10:10:36 am
      Wish this lad all the best.  Clearly came to as too young and with too big a price tag on his head.

      Is probably right.

      I’ve said repeatedly I don’t think I’ve seen a player less equipped mentally to play for LFC.

      Doesn’t make him a bad kid or mean his character is flawed.

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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1262: Feb 01, 2019 10:11:54 am
      Wish this lad all the best.  Clearly came to as too young and with too big a price tag on his head.

      Yep

      On a big contract as well, one he's perhaps unlikely to ever get again, one that wasn't his fault but one that will probably set him and his family up for life..

      This he doesn't want to play football nonsense is just daft..
      He's even played u23s this season. Most professionals who are in his position would down tools and refuse that

      Didn't work out.. Good luck to him.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1263: Feb 01, 2019 11:04:48 am
      Yeah I'm furious about this, NOT! ;-)
      I am... We could have and should have sold him two years ago, instead he was allow to  be here taking drawing a wage just like Sturrigde, and Lallana  :f_steam:
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1264: Feb 01, 2019 11:26:07 am

      You trying to be controversial for the sake of being controversial...?
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1265: Feb 01, 2019 11:48:30 am
      I am... We could have and should have sold him two years ago, instead he was allow to  be here taking drawing a wage just like Sturrigde, and Lallana  :f_steam:

      But nobody wanted to sign him, the best we could manage was loan deals, and he was sh*te at Sporting(?) so they terminated his loan, he went to Hull and he was still just as sh*te.
      He had the chance to leave in the summer but turned it down. Lots of players would happily sit and play in the U23s on the money he was on.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1266: Feb 01, 2019 12:05:57 pm
      shameful that he never wanted to move on and progress his career!

      Absolutely. Turned down multiple chances - but preferred to stay and pick up a handy paycheck, even though he was never going to make it in the first team. Showed little ambition or drive.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1267: Feb 01, 2019 01:00:20 pm
      Not that young now is he, plus considerably richer than he was, yet still sh*t. A truly baffling signing from Rodgers and Transfer committee and shameful that he never wanted to move on and progress his career! I would also add that its a weird signing from Fulham.

      I am... We could have and should have sold him two years ago, instead he was allow to  be here taking drawing a wage just like Sturrigde, and Lallana  :f_steam:


      £20 million down the toilet and then there were his wages.
      Another fine mess you got the club into BR and the TC.
      Accounting madness.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1268: Feb 01, 2019 02:40:43 pm
      £20 million down the toilet and then there were his wages.

      Just read he got paid roughly £9.75m during his time here!
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1269: Feb 01, 2019 03:59:58 pm
      All a bit WAh!(not the Pete Wylie kind)but this  :f_wah: Dude had a contract,got paid,didn't work out.move on,none of y'all would take a pay cut if X other amount was going.so let it go...no?
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1270: Feb 01, 2019 04:43:12 pm
      All a bit WAh!(not the Pete Wylie kind)but this  :f_wah: Dude had a contract,got paid,didn't work out.move on,none of y'all would take a pay cut if X other amount was going.so let it go...no?

      Simple as that really

      I personally feel it's a bit immature those who slag him off regarding the money when if they could put themselves in his shoes they would more than likely do the exact same

      From our club point of view, yeah great he's gone but I don't understand the gnashing of teeth over him
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1271: Feb 01, 2019 04:54:58 pm
      I personally feel it's a bit immature those who slag him off regarding the money when if they could put themselves in his shoes they would more than likely do the exact same

      If I had the ability and the chance to play at the highest level - I'd want to play, not lounge around while my best days past me by. And while he lounged, he soaked up cash that we could have used better elsewhere.
      Put it like this, if we had a dressing room full of Marko's, nobody would pay for a ticket.
      Add that to the 20mill outlay.
      Nope, don't feel one bit sorry for him.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1272: Feb 01, 2019 04:55:30 pm
      Simple as that really

      I personally feel it's a bit immature those who slag him off regarding the money when if they could put themselves in his shoes they would more than likely do the exact same

      From our club point of view, yeah great he's gone but I don't understand the gnashing of teeth over him

      I wonder how much Greggs he consumed in the last couple of years with all that money he got...
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1273: Feb 01, 2019 04:58:03 pm
      If I had the ability and the chance to play at the highest level - I'd want to play, not lounge around while my best days past me by. And while he lounged, he soaked up cash that we could have used better elsewhere.
      Put it like this, if we had a dressing room full of Marko's, nobody would pay for a ticket.
      Add that to the 20mill outlay.
      Nope, don't feel one bit sorry for him.

      You're looking at it from the clubs side and if I am I agree

      I'm talking about his side of it to which again I bet you wouldnt do any different in his shoes

      I wonder how much Greggs he consumed in the last couple of years with all that money he got...

      If he's smart he will have invested it to secure his families future

      Few steak bakes though
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1274: Feb 01, 2019 05:07:55 pm
      I'm talking about his side of it to which again I bet you wouldnt do any different in his shoes

      Like I said, I *would* have done it differently, but different strokes for different folks.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1275: Feb 01, 2019 05:22:01 pm
      Like I said, I *would* have done it differently, but different strokes for different folks.

      Really?

      Ok you're from a more impoverished background you are earning roughly 750k-1m a year and the you're offered roughly 3m a year from Liverpool. So around 15m (plus signing on fee) over the course of the deal
      Every other deal you're offered reduces that  considerably
      The 15m could set you and your family, even your extended family up for life
      He maybe looks at it and thinks why would I take a 10m pay cut? I'll only be mid 20s when this deal is up and I go again with that behind me

      I call absolute bullshit if you walk away from money that could set you and your family / extended family up for life

      If you think you'd walk away from 50k a week back to 10k a week playing in the championship then you're kidding yourself and you can't say that unless you were in that position

      So I don't believe you would. Because unless that contract was matched or bridged you'd be daft to walk away from that type of contract that could change your life for good

      It's not his fault he was given it but I'd imagine so difficult to walk away from

      Say in your job. You're over-paid by one Company, but you had pressure from a shareholder to walk away.. would you take  a 400% pay cut to go to another job? When if you sat that put you could sort your future out?
      Bollocks

      From a fans point of view I wanted him out, looking at it from his view I can understand it
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1276: Feb 01, 2019 08:07:02 pm
      Really?

      Ok you're from a more impoverished background you are earning roughly 750k-1m a year and the you're offered roughly 3m a year from Liverpool. So around 15m (plus signing on fee) over the course of the deal
      Every other deal you're offered reduces that  considerably
      The 15m could set you and your family, even your extended family up for life
      He maybe looks at it and thinks why would I take a 10m pay cut? I'll only be mid 20s when this deal is up and I go again with that behind me

      I call absolute bullshit if you walk away from money that could set you and your family / extended family up for life

      If you think you'd walk away from 50k a week back to 10k a week playing in the championship then you're kidding yourself and you can't say that unless you were in that position

      So I don't believe you would. Because unless that contract was matched or bridged you'd be daft to walk away from that type of contract that could change your life for good

      It's not his fault he was given it but I'd imagine so difficult to walk away from

      Say in your job. You're over-paid by one Company, but you had pressure from a shareholder to walk away.. would you take  a 400% pay cut to go to another job? When if you sat that put you could sort your future out?
      Bollocks

      From a fans point of view I wanted him out, looking at it from his view I can understand it

      Get what you are saying here, 100%. Only thing worth remembering though is a football career is something you get if you are very lucky, is for a very short amount of time in comparison to what the normal person would spend working (until retirement at 60+) and is meant to be something they love doing.
      Taking all that into account, I think I would move on for less money elsewhere if it meant I could get my career back on track. Take a step down, a year or 2 of less money but you work your bollocks off to get back to the top and get the big money again. Even the money he would have dropped down to would have made for a great living.
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      Reply #1277: Feb 01, 2019 08:11:25 pm
      Get what you are saying here, 100%. Only thing worth remembering though is a football career is something you get if you are very lucky, is for a very short amount of time in comparison to what the normal person would spend working (until retirement at 60+) and is meant to be something they love doing.
      Taking all that into account, I think I would move on for less money elsewhere if it meant I could get my career back on track. Take a step down, a year or 2 of less money but you pro your bollocks off to get back to the top and get the big money again. Even the money he would have dropped down to would have made for a great living.

      He doesn't strike me as the most confident of people or players, he may not back himself to get that type of contract again

      And like I said, he's what now? 24? He may feel he can bank that contract, get a few loans with us supplementing the wage and then move on at 24 and do exactly what you're saying above

      Im not saying i want that as a fan or that maybe I'd do it but the lads from Serbia, he may well look at that contract to set him up for life and go again at the end of it.

      It's just not as easy to say oh he should move and take a pay cut.
      Not easy when he's maybe thinking of his, his parents, his siblings futures
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1278: Feb 01, 2019 09:13:06 pm
      But nobody wanted to sign him, the best we could manage was loan deals, and he was sh*te at Sporting(?) so they terminated his loan, he went to Hull and he was still just as sh*te.
      He had the chance to leave in the summer but turned it down. Lots of players would happily sit and play in the U23s on the money he was on.
      Yeah, they are
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1279: Feb 01, 2019 09:14:28 pm

      £20 million down the toilet and then there were his wages.
      Another fine mess you got the club into BR and the TC.
      Accounting madness.
      Plus thje signing on fee, don't forget the signing on fee   :f_steam:
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1280: Feb 01, 2019 09:19:50 pm
      Plus thje signing on fee, don't forget the signing on fee   :f_steam:

      He wasn't on a free. The signing on fee would have been nominal and mostly going to his agent

      Just move on
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1281: Feb 01, 2019 09:31:34 pm
      Its funny how someone with his ability and who was scouted by us and came with a good reputation was so sh*t.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1282: Feb 01, 2019 09:54:47 pm
      If I had the ability and the chance to play at the highest level - I'd want to play, not lounge around while my best days past me by. And while he lounged, he soaked up cash that we could have used better elsewhere.
      Put it like this, if we had a dressing room full of Marko's, nobody would pay for a ticket.
      Add that to the 20mill outlay.
      Nope, don't feel one bit sorry for him.

      Ditto. He could still have made plenty of money elsewhere. Just a bit less than with us.

      Players who just take the maximum money are idiots. You only live once, and an extra £x won't keep you warm when you're sitting at 35 and knowing you've blown your talent and it's too late.

      If it was sitting on our bench or stacking shelves, fair enough, sit on the bench. But it wasn't and he's wasted his own time more than ours.
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      Reply #1283: Feb 01, 2019 10:19:45 pm
      Ditto. He could still have made plenty of money elsewhere. Just a bit less than with us.

      Players who just take the maximum money are idiots. You only live once, and an extra £x won't keep you warm when you're sitting at 35 and knowing you've blown your talent and it's too late.

      If it was sitting on our bench or stacking shelves, fair enough, sit on the bench. But it wasn't and he's wasted his own time more than ours.

      You know he's got 11 years until he's 35?

      There's a major difference between earning good money and earning money to set yourself and your family up for life and I call bollocks you'd find it as easy as you say in his situation

      I'm not happy with it but it's the reality
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1284: Feb 01, 2019 10:34:08 pm
      You know he's got 11 years until he's 35?

      There's a major difference between earning good money and earning money to set yourself and your family up for life and I call bollocks you'd find it as easy as you say in his situation

      I'm not happy with it but it's the reality

      I know he's not 35 for f**k sake. I was making a point - piss away your talent and you'll regret it when it's too late.

      Trust me - I'd have no problem with the money he could have got somewhere else. Beyond a certain amount, other priorities have got to take over. If they don't, it just means you're lacking something. Might sound corny, but it's actually true.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1285: Feb 01, 2019 10:40:10 pm
      I know he's not 35 for f**k sake. I was making a point - piss away your talent and you'll regret it when it's too late.

      Trust me - I'd have no problem with the money he could have got somewhere else. Beyond a certain amount, other priorities have got to take over. If they don't, it just means you're lacking something. Might sound corny, but it's actually true.

      Exactly he's 24 so in his head he still has plenty of time for a career

      You can't say it's true.
      Don't judge a man unless you've walked in his shoes

      Again I'm not saying I'd have done it but I'm not closed minded enough to not accept the possibility of why he may have seen the contract out

      Sorry if you or others are

      You don't know his situation. Maybe he grew up without a pot to piss in, maybe his parents had f**k all, maybe his siblings still don't and he is seeing this contract as a way to secure all their financial futures

      If you had f**k all and were taking a 400% pay cut it may be a far harder decision than you are making it out to be
      « Last Edit: Feb 01, 2019 10:44:59 pm by Kopite78 »
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1286: Feb 02, 2019 08:20:04 am
      Just read he got paid roughly £9.75m during his time here!


      No wonder he didn't want to leave,it must of been difficult for the lad having to live on such measly wages.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1287: Feb 02, 2019 09:16:44 am

      Well, glad you cleared that up for me, letting me know what I really think.

      Can you let me know what I want for breakfast, cause I'm getting hungry..
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1288: Feb 02, 2019 09:24:41 am
      Well, glad you cleared that up for me, letting me know what I really think.

      Can you let me know what I want for breakfast, cause I'm getting hungry..

      Have a plate of lack of understanding

      I still call bullshit because you don't know his situation

      I'll leave it there anyway.. pointless conversation
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      Reply #1289: Feb 02, 2019 09:29:54 am
      Have a plate of lack of understanding

      Didn't have any in the press. Just had cornflakes.

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