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      Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)

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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1275: Feb 01, 2019 05:22:01 pm
      Like I said, I *would* have done it differently, but different strokes for different folks.

      Really?

      Ok you're from a more impoverished background you are earning roughly 750k-1m a year and the you're offered roughly 3m a year from Liverpool. So around 15m (plus signing on fee) over the course of the deal
      Every other deal you're offered reduces that  considerably
      The 15m could set you and your family, even your extended family up for life
      He maybe looks at it and thinks why would I take a 10m pay cut? I'll only be mid 20s when this deal is up and I go again with that behind me

      I call absolute bullshit if you walk away from money that could set you and your family / extended family up for life

      If you think you'd walk away from 50k a week back to 10k a week playing in the championship then you're kidding yourself and you can't say that unless you were in that position

      So I don't believe you would. Because unless that contract was matched or bridged you'd be daft to walk away from that type of contract that could change your life for good

      It's not his fault he was given it but I'd imagine so difficult to walk away from

      Say in your job. You're over-paid by one Company, but you had pressure from a shareholder to walk away.. would you take  a 400% pay cut to go to another job? When if you sat that put you could sort your future out?
      Bollocks

      From a fans point of view I wanted him out, looking at it from his view I can understand it
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1276: Feb 01, 2019 08:07:02 pm
      Really?

      Ok you're from a more impoverished background you are earning roughly 750k-1m a year and the you're offered roughly 3m a year from Liverpool. So around 15m (plus signing on fee) over the course of the deal
      Every other deal you're offered reduces that  considerably
      The 15m could set you and your family, even your extended family up for life
      He maybe looks at it and thinks why would I take a 10m pay cut? I'll only be mid 20s when this deal is up and I go again with that behind me

      I call absolute bullshit if you walk away from money that could set you and your family / extended family up for life

      If you think you'd walk away from 50k a week back to 10k a week playing in the championship then you're kidding yourself and you can't say that unless you were in that position

      So I don't believe you would. Because unless that contract was matched or bridged you'd be daft to walk away from that type of contract that could change your life for good

      It's not his fault he was given it but I'd imagine so difficult to walk away from

      Say in your job. You're over-paid by one Company, but you had pressure from a shareholder to walk away.. would you take  a 400% pay cut to go to another job? When if you sat that put you could sort your future out?
      Bollocks

      From a fans point of view I wanted him out, looking at it from his view I can understand it

      Get what you are saying here, 100%. Only thing worth remembering though is a football career is something you get if you are very lucky, is for a very short amount of time in comparison to what the normal person would spend working (until retirement at 60+) and is meant to be something they love doing.
      Taking all that into account, I think I would move on for less money elsewhere if it meant I could get my career back on track. Take a step down, a year or 2 of less money but you work your bollocks off to get back to the top and get the big money again. Even the money he would have dropped down to would have made for a great living.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1277: Feb 01, 2019 08:11:25 pm
      Get what you are saying here, 100%. Only thing worth remembering though is a football career is something you get if you are very lucky, is for a very short amount of time in comparison to what the normal person would spend working (until retirement at 60+) and is meant to be something they love doing.
      Taking all that into account, I think I would move on for less money elsewhere if it meant I could get my career back on track. Take a step down, a year or 2 of less money but you pro your bollocks off to get back to the top and get the big money again. Even the money he would have dropped down to would have made for a great living.

      He doesn't strike me as the most confident of people or players, he may not back himself to get that type of contract again

      And like I said, he's what now? 24? He may feel he can bank that contract, get a few loans with us supplementing the wage and then move on at 24 and do exactly what you're saying above

      Im not saying i want that as a fan or that maybe I'd do it but the lads from Serbia, he may well look at that contract to set him up for life and go again at the end of it.

      It's just not as easy to say oh he should move and take a pay cut.
      Not easy when he's maybe thinking of his, his parents, his siblings futures
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1278: Feb 01, 2019 09:13:06 pm
      But nobody wanted to sign him, the best we could manage was loan deals, and he was sh*te at Sporting(?) so they terminated his loan, he went to Hull and he was still just as sh*te.
      He had the chance to leave in the summer but turned it down. Lots of players would happily sit and play in the U23s on the money he was on.
      Yeah, they are
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1279: Feb 01, 2019 09:14:28 pm

      £20 million down the toilet and then there were his wages.
      Another fine mess you got the club into BR and the TC.
      Accounting madness.
      Plus thje signing on fee, don't forget the signing on fee   :f_steam:
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1280: Feb 01, 2019 09:19:50 pm
      Plus thje signing on fee, don't forget the signing on fee   :f_steam:

      He wasn't on a free. The signing on fee would have been nominal and mostly going to his agent

      Just move on
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1281: Feb 01, 2019 09:31:34 pm
      Its funny how someone with his ability and who was scouted by us and came with a good reputation was so sh*t.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1282: Feb 01, 2019 09:54:47 pm
      If I had the ability and the chance to play at the highest level - I'd want to play, not lounge around while my best days past me by. And while he lounged, he soaked up cash that we could have used better elsewhere.
      Put it like this, if we had a dressing room full of Marko's, nobody would pay for a ticket.
      Add that to the 20mill outlay.
      Nope, don't feel one bit sorry for him.

      Ditto. He could still have made plenty of money elsewhere. Just a bit less than with us.

      Players who just take the maximum money are idiots. You only live once, and an extra £x won't keep you warm when you're sitting at 35 and knowing you've blown your talent and it's too late.

      If it was sitting on our bench or stacking shelves, fair enough, sit on the bench. But it wasn't and he's wasted his own time more than ours.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1283: Feb 01, 2019 10:19:45 pm
      Ditto. He could still have made plenty of money elsewhere. Just a bit less than with us.

      Players who just take the maximum money are idiots. You only live once, and an extra £x won't keep you warm when you're sitting at 35 and knowing you've blown your talent and it's too late.

      If it was sitting on our bench or stacking shelves, fair enough, sit on the bench. But it wasn't and he's wasted his own time more than ours.

      You know he's got 11 years until he's 35?

      There's a major difference between earning good money and earning money to set yourself and your family up for life and I call bollocks you'd find it as easy as you say in his situation

      I'm not happy with it but it's the reality
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1284: Feb 01, 2019 10:34:08 pm
      You know he's got 11 years until he's 35?

      There's a major difference between earning good money and earning money to set yourself and your family up for life and I call bollocks you'd find it as easy as you say in his situation

      I'm not happy with it but it's the reality

      I know he's not 35 for f**k sake. I was making a point - piss away your talent and you'll regret it when it's too late.

      Trust me - I'd have no problem with the money he could have got somewhere else. Beyond a certain amount, other priorities have got to take over. If they don't, it just means you're lacking something. Might sound corny, but it's actually true.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1285: Feb 01, 2019 10:40:10 pm
      I know he's not 35 for f**k sake. I was making a point - piss away your talent and you'll regret it when it's too late.

      Trust me - I'd have no problem with the money he could have got somewhere else. Beyond a certain amount, other priorities have got to take over. If they don't, it just means you're lacking something. Might sound corny, but it's actually true.

      Exactly he's 24 so in his head he still has plenty of time for a career

      You can't say it's true.
      Don't judge a man unless you've walked in his shoes

      Again I'm not saying I'd have done it but I'm not closed minded enough to not accept the possibility of why he may have seen the contract out

      Sorry if you or others are

      You don't know his situation. Maybe he grew up without a pot to piss in, maybe his parents had f**k all, maybe his siblings still don't and he is seeing this contract as a way to secure all their financial futures

      If you had f**k all and were taking a 400% pay cut it may be a far harder decision than you are making it out to be
      « Last Edit: Feb 01, 2019 10:44:59 pm by Kopite78 »
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1286: Feb 02, 2019 08:20:04 am
      Just read he got paid roughly £9.75m during his time here!


      No wonder he didn't want to leave,it must of been difficult for the lad having to live on such measly wages.
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      Reply #1287: Feb 02, 2019 09:16:44 am

      Well, glad you cleared that up for me, letting me know what I really think.

      Can you let me know what I want for breakfast, cause I'm getting hungry..
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      Reply #1288: Feb 02, 2019 09:24:41 am
      Well, glad you cleared that up for me, letting me know what I really think.

      Can you let me know what I want for breakfast, cause I'm getting hungry..

      Have a plate of lack of understanding

      I still call bullshit because you don't know his situation

      I'll leave it there anyway.. pointless conversation
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      Reply #1289: Feb 02, 2019 09:29:54 am
      Have a plate of lack of understanding

      Didn't have any in the press. Just had cornflakes.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1290: Feb 02, 2019 09:31:22 am
      Didn't have any in the press. Just had cornflakes.

      Sound

      Glad you can afford them. Maybe he couldn't growing up and is thinking of securing his families future with this contract
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      Reply #1291: Feb 02, 2019 09:55:42 am
      Really?

      Ok you're from a more impoverished background you are earning roughly 750k-1m a year and the you're offered roughly 3m a year from Liverpool. So around 15m (plus signing on fee) over the course of the deal
      Every other deal you're offered reduces that  considerably
      The 15m could set you and your family, even your extended family up for life
      He maybe looks at it and thinks why would I take a 10m pay cut? I'll only be mid 20s when this deal is up and I go again with that behind me

      I call absolute bullshit if you walk away from money that could set you and your family / extended family up for life

      If you think you'd walk away from 50k a week back to 10k a week playing in the championship then you're kidding yourself and you can't say that unless you were in that position

      So I don't believe you would. Because unless that contract was matched or bridged you'd be daft to walk away from that type of contract that could change your life for good

      It's not his fault he was given it but I'd imagine so difficult to walk away from

      Say in your job. You're over-paid by one Company, but you had pressure from a shareholder to walk away.. would you take  a 400% pay cut to go to another job? When if you sat that put you could sort your future out?
      Bollocks

      From a fans point of view I wanted him out, looking at it from his view I can understand it

      That's also a short term and negative way to think of it, yes he was earning a lot of money with us, but now when his time finishes at Fulham he will find it very hard to get a decent wage anywhere unless he has an amazing half season which I very much doubt, whereas if he had moved a few years ago when he still had a bit of a name, yes he might have dropped in salary for a bit but if he was playing regularly and playing well then long term he would have earned much more.
      There have been times in my life where I've taken a short term paycut to then jump further ahead, a case of one step back and 2 steps forward.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1292: Feb 02, 2019 09:58:09 am
      That's also a short term and negative way to think of it, yes he was earning a lot of money with us, but now when his time finishes at Fulham he will find it very hard to get a decent wage anywhere unless he has an amazing half season which I very much doubt, whereas if he had moved a few years ago when he still had a bit of a name, yes he might have dropped in salary for a bit but if he was playing regularly and playing well then long term he would have earned much more.
      There have been times in my life where I've taken a short term paycut to then jump further ahead, a case of one step back and 2 steps forward.

      Big difference between a 15yr career - max at top - that could end in every training session and a 40 year career Heimy......

      I think that’s the point K78 is getting at
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      Reply #1293: Feb 02, 2019 10:03:43 am
      Big difference between a 15yr career - max at top - that could end in every training session and a 40 year career Heimy......

      I think that’s the point K78 is getting at

      Yes but lets say he was on £50k a week with us for 5 years, obviously very very nice money but its only for 5 years and he is now the forgotten man, certainly not the man many managers think of when looking for singings so probably he will now need to take a huge drop in wages to get any kind of contract, probably down to £5-10k per week at some lower league team and then he needs to really start grafting to make a name for himself again. On the other hand he could have left a few years ago and gone for perhaps £30k per year but to a fairly good club, play regularly, enjoy his job and then step on.
      I just find the Markovich position very negative, its extremely short term thinking and screams of a lack of integrity and/or confidence, neither will be very positive traits when looking for a new employer.
      Basically unless he now has a fantastic half season with Fulham, which I very much doubt, then his career is fu**ed at 24.
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      Reply #1294: Feb 02, 2019 10:16:20 am
      Big difference between a 15yr career - max at top - that could end in every training session and a 40 year career Heimy......

      I think that’s the point K78 is getting at

      I just think it's easy to judge when you're not in the situation

      Yes but lets say he was on £50k a week with us for 5 years, obviously very very nice money but its only for 5 years and he is now the forgotten man, certainly not the man many managers think of when looking for singings so probably he will now need to take a huge drop in wages to get any kind of contract, probably down to £5-10k per week at some lower league team and then he needs to really start grafting to make a name for himself again. On the other hand he could have left a few years ago and gone for perhaps £30k per year but to a fairly good club, play regularly, enjoy his job and then step on.
      I just find the Markovich position very negative, its extremely short term thinking and screams of a lack of integrity and/or confidence, neither will be very positive traits when looking for a new employer.
      Basically unless he now has a fantastic half season with Fulham, which I very much doubt, then his career is fu**ed at 24.

      Complete guess that

      For all you know he may have wanted to make it at Liverpool and didn't want to let go of that

      It's just too easy to say he's sat here when you would have moved

      Far too easy

      Anyway not that I'm arsed, I didn't rate him personally and I'd forgotten about him Really, just I don't see the reason to judge him when you know f**k all about him or his motivation or his reasoning

      He's not our problem anymore anyway
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1295: Feb 02, 2019 10:27:41 am
      Oh come on now, he was clearly not wanted at Liverpool by Brendan or Klopp, he wasn't even given runouts in the last 3 years. He was almost sold several times so unless he is thick as pig sh*t it was fairly obvious he had no future with ut.

      Like talking to a brick wall you

      Sound.. you aren't even willing or able to put yourself in his shoes

      When you mature a bit you may be able to look at things from other people's perspectives

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      Reply #1296: Feb 02, 2019 10:38:37 am
      Sound

      Glad you can afford them. Maybe he couldn't growing up and is thinking of securing his families future with this contract

      Boo-f**king-who.

      Some people [even ones from poorer backgrounds] strangely enough also come out with a searing ambition and drive to achieve, to prove people wrong, to use what gifts they've been given [that other people haven't, and who still manage to contribute], to be part of a team, to BELIEVE in something. If I look round a dressing room, they're the ones I'd want there, not the Alexis Sanchez f**king almighty dollar mercenary types.

      But am sure on his death bed he can give a wad of notes a hug, cause he won't be able to look back on a football career worth a sh*t.
      His choice.
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      Reply #1297: Feb 02, 2019 10:40:41 am
      Boo-f**king-who.

      Some people [even ones from poorer backgrounds] strangely enough also come out with a searing ambition and drive to achieve, to prove people wrong, to use what gifts they've been given [that other people haven't, and who still manage to contribute], to be part of a team, to BELIEVE in something. If I look round a dressing room, they're the ones I'd want there, not the Alexis Sanchez f**king almighty dollar mercenary types.

      But am sure on his death bed he can give a wad of notes a hug, cause he won't be able to look back on a football career worth a sh*t.
      His choice.

      Yeah it is his choice you f**king moron that's what I'm saying

      He may also lay on his death bed happy he could set his family up for life. Buy his parents a great house and give them a fantastic quality of life for their final 20 years
      « Last Edit: Feb 02, 2019 10:48:08 am by Kopite78 »
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1298: Feb 02, 2019 10:50:50 am
      Like talking to a brick wall you

      Sound.. you aren't even willing or able to put yourself in his shoes

      When you mature a bit you may be able to look at things from other people's perspectives



      Not a brick wall, just a different point of view.
      I explained all my reasonings, including the fact that I have at times taken a step back to further my own career, which is what Lazar should have done.
      I think Markovich is guilty of short term thinking and over the course of his career it would have been much more sensible for him to have moved on from us several years ago, if you disagree then fine, but at least try to debate your side of the argument, instead of throwing out petty insults!
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Liverpool > Fulham)
      Reply #1299: Feb 02, 2019 10:53:54 am
      Not a brick wall, just a different point of view.
      I explained all my reasonings, including the fact that I have at times taken a step back to further my own career, which is what Lazar should have done.
      I think Markovich is guilty of short term thinking and over the course of his career it would have been much more sensible for him to have moved on from us several years ago, if you disagree then fine, but at least try to debate your side of the argument, instead of throwing out petty insults!

      I don't have a side. I'm just not closed minded enough to say what he should do or should have done like you seem to be

      It's Markovic by the way

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