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      Dejan Lovren (Liverpool > Zenit St Petersburg)

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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2162: Dec 20, 2018 09:10:14 am
      Must admit i'd prefer if he kept quiet on such things as well. The press are fully of the belief that City are nailed on for the title and we're sitting top for the short-term. That narrative will change the longer we can stay there and with that will come greater pressure and scrutiny but in the mean-time i'd prefer the players remain very humble and follow the lead of the manager who plays every media question with the straightest of bats. If Klopp is asked about gong unbeaten he will tell the reporter to stop being ridiculous or words to that effect.

      I think heā€™s getting nailed mate because of the comments at the WC.

      If you look at the transcript the journos put him in a position where he felt he had to say yes or no........in his place what you gonna do?

      Doesnā€™t change anything - we play to our best itā€™s possible but the objective is always to win the next game only.
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      Reply #2163: Dec 20, 2018 09:33:01 am
      I don't know mate, it's fairly easy to say 'we're not thinking about that right now, just focussing on the next game', that's pretty much all Klopp gives them to just about any question he gets asked and it's the right approach imho. I felt we suffered a bit under the pressure in 2013-14 and the challenge at LFC is much like it was for the mancs in the early 90s until they broke their duck after so many years. It's as much about managing the pressure, the headlines, the media scrutiny as it is about playing well. Dejan just likes a bit of bluster and to talk things up. He's a bang his chest sort of a player on the pitch and that kinda reflects off it as well at time. It's not a major deal though, just how he is.
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      Reply #2164: Dec 20, 2018 09:41:58 am
      I don't know mate, it's fairly easy to say 'we're not thinking about that right now, just focussing on the next game', that's pretty much all Klopp gives them to just about any question he gets asked and it's the right approach imho. I felt we suffered a bit under the pressure in 2013-14 and the challenge at LFC is much like it was for the mancs in the early 90s until they broke their duck after so many years. It's as much about managing the pressure, the headlines, the media scrutiny as it is about playing well. Dejan just likes a bit of bluster and to talk things up. He's a bang his chest sort of a player on the pitch and that kinda reflects off it as well at time. It's not a major deal though, just how he is.

      I know what you mean. Donā€™t get me wrong Iā€™d prefer he didnā€™t say it........but thatā€™s my nerves if you know what I mean.......Itā€™s been too long.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2165: Dec 20, 2018 10:42:44 am
      Lovren fortunate to still feature in the side, in my humble view.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2166: Dec 20, 2018 10:49:54 am
      The Liverpool way is to do your talking on the pitch.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2167: Dec 20, 2018 11:49:37 am
      I know what you mean. Donā€™t get me wrong Iā€™d prefer he didnā€™t say it........but thatā€™s my nerves if you know what I mean.......Itā€™s been too long.

      Aye too many false dawns leaves you wanting stay under the radar as long as poss! I still remember Houllier's '10 games from greatness' quotes in 2001-02 (I think) and look how that turned out!
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2168: Dec 20, 2018 11:53:25 am
      Aye too many false dawns leaves you wanting stay under the radar as long as poss! I still remember Houllier's '10 games from greatness' quotes in 2001-02 (I think) and look how that turned out!

      Yeah 100% - thing is context is everything and that probably didnā€™t seem that outlandish given the time that elapsed at that point.

      This is some team though now mate. More quality 1-18 in my opinion.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2169: Dec 20, 2018 12:22:25 pm
      The Liverpool way is to do your talking on the pitch.

      The Liverpool Way is also to get behind the players, regardless of personal feelings, and I don't see a lot of that with some of our lads.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2170: Dec 20, 2018 01:09:41 pm
      Fair enough, didnā€™t see that. Donā€™t agree with Bobby saying it either although he hasnā€™t specifically said winning the premier league, just that aims are high and see where it gets us.

      Your missing my general point though, which is about Lovren. He talked too much about the Champions League final and World Cup making him one of the best in the world, too much about Ramos and now this. It seems whenever he gets back in the team he has something to say.
      Difference between him and Bobby is that Bobby actually backs up what he says in his performances, often when Lovren starts talking he follows it up with a crap performance and showing his weaknesses mentally. That is my issue. Lovren is a player who needs to keep his head down and just concentrate on his football because at the moment, he is the weak link in our defence and probably the one the oppositions are going to be looking to get at, so leave the talking to others and just concentrate on his game.

      Stop digging yourself in deeper lad youā€™ve looked like a bit of a wally there. Nothing wrong with what heā€™s said there whatā€™s wrong though is fans like you looking for any reason or excuse to get on his back. Just focus on supporting the team during this amazing run.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2171: Dec 20, 2018 02:30:18 pm
      I donā€™t mind him when he gives the interviews - fine them amusing and happy for him to be so confident in himself and his teammates.

      I would expect the media to overreact but Christ not his own fans.
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      Reply #2172: Dec 20, 2018 02:30:18 pm
      I canā€™t see too much wrong in what Dejan has said, yes one game at a time is the mantra but he is right, we can go all the way in the league undeafeted.. Itā€™s not like he said we ā€œwillā€ go undefeated..

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      Reply #2173: Dec 20, 2018 02:35:50 pm
      The Liverpool Way is also to get behind the players, regardless of personal feelings, and I don't see a lot of that with some of our lads.

      I doubt any of the players log onto here or RAWK for that matter.
      They get 100% support in the ground.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2174: Dec 20, 2018 02:42:27 pm
      I canā€™t see too much wrong in what Dejan has said, yes one game at a time is the mantra but he is right, we can go all the way in the league undeafeted.. Itā€™s not like he said we ā€œwillā€ go undefeated..

      because there isn't. Just media editing quotes to create headlines and people gobbling them up and making a fuss about them.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2175: Dec 20, 2018 02:43:38 pm
      I doubt any of the players log onto here or RAWK for that matter.
      They get 100% support in the ground.

      Doesn't matter, the same rules apply.

      You either do things The Liverpool way everywhere, or not at all.

      You can't just cherrypick when it suits you (not you in particular, just a generic You)
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2176: Dec 20, 2018 03:10:18 pm
      Doesn't matter, the same rules apply.

      You either do things The Liverpool way everywhere, or not at all.

      You can't just cherrypick when it suits you (not you in particular, just a generic You)

      Might as well close down the forum in that case if you canā€™t discuss players strengths and weaknessā€™s.
      Areas in which we could improve?
      Possibly even Klopps areas of weakness.

      Iā€™m too old to be a one eyed fanboy.

      BTW How much support did you give the Hodgson?

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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2177: Dec 20, 2018 03:13:56 pm
      Might as well close down the forum in that case if you canā€™t discuss players strengths and weaknessā€™s.
      Areas in which we could improve?
      Possibly even Klopps areas of weakness.

      Iā€™m too old to be a one eyed fanboy.

      BTW How much support did you give the Hodgson?

      It's not about discussing strengths and weaknesses, as you well know.

      It's about throwing abuse at players because a poster happens not to like them.
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      Reply #2178: Dec 20, 2018 03:14:51 pm
      It's not about discussing strengths and weaknesses, as you well know.

      It's about throwing abuse at players because a poster happens not to like them.

      Obviously thatā€™s a given.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2179: Dec 20, 2018 03:20:19 pm

      That's what I'm talking about.
      Calling a player wearing our shirt a c**t, a w**ker or any of the other names people do is out of order.

      Yeah, I know people get a bit excited in match threads, but that's different, and a lot can be excused in the heat of the moment.

      It's the constant derision, name calling and general disrespect that is done with intent that doesn't sit right.

      I know the internet plays a big part, and we have posters from all over the world, BUT part of being a LFC supporter is knowing and respecting our history and (if you like) our "rules".
      Kind of like a code of conduct.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2180: Dec 20, 2018 03:26:03 pm
      I think he did well against UTD again he is a player who hasn't had a run of games to find his form but he coped well and hopefully alongside Virgil he will do ok. I am relaxed about seeing him playing I would prefer Joe and Virgil but we need our players all of them to have game time and to have some form to cope with injuries and suspensions.
      Dejan has always given 100% when he has played .
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2181: Dec 20, 2018 03:28:11 pm
      Well F***ing said Dejan!!!

      Showing some F***ing confidence. And if it comes back to bite us in the arse (like Rafa's guaranteeing of fourth place in 09-10 - which was lauded when he said it) then so F***ing be it. But at least we're showing confidence and not backing away from it.

      Too often we play ourselves down. Almost as if people are too scared to be wrong on occasions. They'd rather be right and say "I told you so" than bigging us up. So I'm all for Dejan, Bobby and whoever else wants to talk up our chances.
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      Reply #2182: Dec 20, 2018 03:40:04 pm
      It's probably what the players are thinking anyway, so not too concerned.  Looking at the quotes, don't see anything particularly bad there either.
      It's a fine line between being brash and annoying, vs quietly confident, and these comments seem closer to the latter - but agree that players DO need to be careful what they say - don't want to give other managers sh*t to pin on their walls to get oppositions pumped up before games.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2183: Dec 20, 2018 04:06:38 pm
      Agree the headlines are worse than actual comments. Also agree he can play it much safer and not even discuss it ..but does it make any difference in the midst of a match? I doubt it.

      Obviously going undefeated is extremely unlikely, but every match we play, we have a chance to win. Almost halfway to a title!
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2184: Dec 20, 2018 04:54:28 pm
      It's coming home.

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