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      Dejan Lovren Player Thread

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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2250: Jan 03, 2019 10:28:58 pm
      Needs to keep his mouth shut though. Saw earlier today that he had given another interview in sense of "we can go on to be the invincibles".


      If you're gonna do the talk, then have the balls to give a good performance when the time demands, which he quite clearly didnt, today.

      What he says has f**k all to do with it.

      He wasn’t brilliant tonight but they won because of their quality not because of big Degsy.

      Hendo also getting stick when he was by a long way the best of the starting 3.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2251: Jan 03, 2019 10:34:16 pm
      Nope for me. You never see any other squad member talking like him. You guys don't have a problem with, then it's fine. But, I don't like these kind of sh*t talk, if you can't back it up.

      Today, the team needed strong performance from him, and he didn't give one.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2252: Jan 03, 2019 10:40:43 pm
      Nope for me. You never see any other squad member talking like him. You guys don't have a problem with, then it's fine. But, I don't like these kind of sh*t talk, if you can't back it up.

      Today, the team needed strong performance from him, and he didn't give one.


      Thats it nailed on. Talk the big bollox go back it up
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2253: Jan 03, 2019 10:45:28 pm
      Nope for me. You never see any other squad member talking like him. You guys don't have a problem with, then it's fine. But, I don't like these kind of sh*t talk, if you can't back it up.

      Today, the team needed strong performance from him, and he didn't give one.


      who would you pick in his place we don't have Joe or Joe? what about Mo he was awful tonight as was Mane they just didn't keep the ball and the pressure kept coming back because the didn't hold it up and take the pressure off. He got caught out by Aguero but so did Alisson on his near post which is a no no for a goalkeeper.
      So come on you tell us who should play there
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2254: Jan 03, 2019 10:47:36 pm
      Thought he was culpable for both goals today and generally very poor throughout.

      Most of City’s dangerous attacks came from our right hand side because he just can’t cover for Trent like VVD does on the other side.

      Bench player in reality.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2255: Jan 03, 2019 10:48:19 pm
      who would you pick in his place we don't have Joe or Joe? what about Mo he was awful tonight as was Mane they just didn't keep the ball and the pressure kept coming back because the didn't hold it up and take the pressure off. He got caught out by Aguero but so did Alisson on his near post which is a no no for a goalkeeper.
      So come on you tell us who should play there

      I don’t think there’s anything to fault the goalie for mate it went over him like a rocket rather than inside him.

      Even Degsy I think it looked worse because you could see Aguero’s movement and sense it happening from the telly.

      His biggest issue was the daft booking in my opinion. He had to stand off then and let their forwards gather. Kompany didn’t do that, nor did Stones.
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      Reply #2256: Jan 03, 2019 10:50:08 pm
      who would you pick in his place we don't have Joe or Joe? what about Mo he was awful tonight as was Mane they just didn't keep the ball and the pressure kept coming back because the didn't hold it up and take the pressure off. He got caught out by Aguero but so did Alisson on his near post which is a no no for a goalkeeper.
      So come on you tell us who should play there

      Eh? Mo has been banging in for fun. Even whilst being awful, he made that pass to Mane that he almost scored, and was denied by a world class save by Ederson in the second half.

      What is this question of " who do you play"?
      He is only playing because the other two are injured, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten a sniff at the starting XI with the way Joe was performing.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2257: Jan 03, 2019 11:09:01 pm
      Why was VVD livid with him at the end?
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2258: Jan 03, 2019 11:28:12 pm
      I'm not a fan of Lovren, and he wasn't great tonight, but there's no point moaning about him now. Joe and Joel are both out. He's effectively our 4th choice CB, and as 4th choice CBs go he is better than most. I'm happy enough for him to be in the squad as a back up, as long as he's not keeping out better CBs like Gomez, which he's not.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2259: Jan 03, 2019 11:29:54 pm
      Why was VVD livid with him at the end?

      Think playing a straight rather than angle ball into the box..
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2260: Jan 03, 2019 11:30:10 pm
      Think playing a straight rather than angle ball into the box..

      Spot on
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2261: Jan 03, 2019 11:37:23 pm
      Although I feel some criticism of Lovren’s performance tonight is justified, some of it I feel is harsh.

      Any defender in the world will be given a tough game by the likes of Aguero and Sane. City’s goals were nothing short of class. Apart from a few occasions when Lovren’s positioning was wrong, he had an OK game.

      Do I feel like the outcome of the game would’ve been different if Gomez was playing in his place? No, I don’t think so in all honesty.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2262: Jan 04, 2019 12:13:19 am
      He was turned by one of the best forwards of a generation. Sh*t happens
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2263: Jan 04, 2019 12:15:51 am
      He was turned by one of the best forwards of a generation. Sh*t happens

      Don’t come on here with your logic Mags - not when others are busy stamping their feet and letting loose their burgeoning angst like 13 yr old drama majors doing King Lear 🙄
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      Reply #2264: Jan 04, 2019 12:26:18 am
      Don’t come on here with your logic Mags - not when others are busy stamping their feet and letting loose their burgeoning angst like 13 yr old drama majors doing King Lear 🙄

      If only we had a knee jerk reaction topic for that mate! ......
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2265: Jan 04, 2019 12:27:56 am
      Although I feel some criticism of Lovren’s performance tonight is justified, some of it I feel is harsh.

      Any defender in the world will be given a tough game by the likes of Aguero and Sane. City’s goals were nothing short of class. Apart from a few occasions when Lovren’s positioning was wrong, he had an OK game.

      Do I feel like the outcome of the game would’ve been different if Gomez was playing in his place? No, I don’t think so in all honesty.

      Well Gomez is a better CB and all round player than Lovren so for me I think the outcome would have certainly been different had Joe played.
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      Reply #2266: Jan 04, 2019 12:29:49 am
      Well Gomez is a better CB and all round player than Lovren so for me I think the outcome would have certainly been different had Joe played.

      If Joe had have been playing he’d have limped round the field and been out the rest of the season. We have who we have mate.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2267: Jan 04, 2019 12:39:22 am
      I’ve only seen highlights of the game so I can’t judge entirely accurately but from what I saw, he was poor. Completely unaware Aguero was there, gave the ball away for Sterling to break clear and play in Aguero when they had a 3v2, then almost gifted another goal but only for Sterling to put it wide.

      The highlights weren’t very long that I saw so I can’t judge Lovren by anything else than what I’ve seen so far.
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      Reply #2268: Jan 04, 2019 12:55:46 am
      I’ve only seen highlights of the game so I can’t judge entirely accurately but from what I saw, he was poor. Completely unaware Aguero was there, gave the ball away for Sterling to break clear and play in Aguero when they had a 3v2, then almost gifted another goal but only for Sterling to put it wide.

      The highlights weren’t very long that I saw so I can’t judge Lovren by anything else than what I’ve seen so far.

      He made a rubbish header and then let Aguero turn him. I can forgive Aguero because... well he’s one of the best premier league strikers of all time.

      I’m not too upset tonight mate, beaten by a good city team, not outplayed by any means but didn’t deserve a win necessarily either
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      Reply #2269: Jan 04, 2019 01:53:01 am
      I felt like the early yellow he took really affected him for the rest of the game, played nervous especially where City kept overloading his side when they attacked. He always seems to have one stinker of a game once in a while and tonight was one of those game. Hoping he can bounce back from it because he is going to be relied upon going into the rest of the season.
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      Reply #2270: Jan 04, 2019 02:20:09 am
      I felt like the early yellow he took really affected him for the rest of the game, played nervous especially where City kept overloading his side when they attacked. He always seems to have one stinker of a game once in a while and tonight was one of those game. Hoping he can bounce back from it because he is going to be relied upon going into the rest of the season.

      In fairness to him, since Virgil has arrived, whenever Lovren has had a bad game, he usually follows it up with a damn good one.
      I don’t think there’s any doubt at all that as soon as Gomez is available, he will be straight back in the team. But in terms of the games Lovren has played since we lost Gomez and Matip, this is the first one where his performance really is up for question.
      Hopefully he bounces back from this because although it was the usual Lovren type errors, we’ve been seeing them much less often over the last year.
      But I think it’s that thing about his mindset again though, by the sounds of it that yellow really knocked his game.
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      Reply #2271: Jan 04, 2019 03:58:41 am
      Don’t come on here with your logic Mags - not when others are busy stamping their feet and letting loose their burgeoning angst like 13 yr old drama majors doing King Lear 🙄

      Let's give this another "logic". VVD was immense again, VVD doesn't doesn't talk a load of sh*te off the pitch.

      Seriously though, I think he is a fine defender, but not good enough for where we are in terms of playing level, which also seems to be a case as he is literally the 4th choice. So really can't expect him to be exceptional against top teams. If only we had Gomez in this match.
      « Last Edit: Jan 04, 2019 04:24:11 am by Gill95 »
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2272: Jan 04, 2019 06:27:51 am
      The talking he does doesn’t do him
      any favours. I know some people might like that but it’s not for me, from any player. And if you are going to talk the talk you have to walk the walk. Ideally keep your mouth shut and focus on your game and let others talk about us.

      The one that got me during the game was late on, we are recycling possession and actually building pressure, City clear it and Lovren plays a header directly to Sterling from which they nearly score.
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      Reply #2273: Jan 04, 2019 07:55:51 am
      Why was VVD livid with him at the end?

      For playing an aussie rules pass
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2274: Jan 04, 2019 08:02:31 am
      The talking he does doesn’t do him
      any favours. I know some people might like that but it’s not for me, from any player. And if you are going to talk the talk you have to walk the walk. Ideally keep your mouth shut and focus on your game and let others talk about us.

      The one that got me during the game was late on, we are recycling possession and actually building pressure, City clear it and Lovren plays a header directly to Sterling from which they nearly score.

      Yeah that was a shocker, he has played well of late but in games such as last night where the pressure is really on against top class opposition he is found wanting. It will be good to get young Gomez back in a couple of weeks. We were very high for their winner but with Gomez in the team you’ve got some serious pace to get back and who knows maybe even to get across and shut the angle for Sane’s shot.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2275: Jan 04, 2019 10:00:00 am
      Eh? Mo has been banging in for fun. Even whilst being awful, he made that pass to Mane that he almost scored, and was denied by a world class save by Ederson in the second half.

      What is this question of " who do you play"?
      He is only playing because the other two are injured, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten a sniff at the starting XI with the way Joe was performing.

      that's the point though slagging the lad off achieves exactly what? we don't have another choice so we need to get him through to when Joe is fit again
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2276: Jan 04, 2019 10:27:34 am
      He was turned by one of the best forwards of a generation. Sh*t happens

      ^^^^
      THIS

      Had Salah did this to Kompany, supporters here would be singing the praises of Salah
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2277: Jan 04, 2019 10:47:55 am
      It wasn't his best night... again.

      When he made his return in the opposite fixture at Anfield, you could see the errors creeping back in to the defence.

      When you start with two Rolls-Royce defenders (the best centre-back pairing in Europe on stats at the time) and change the back-line, you could see that the defence and goalkeeper would have more to do.

      We're always prone to errors when he plays. His concentration often wanes, sometimes I wonder if he's able to read the game effectively. He doesn't inspire confidence on the ball, and always looks like he's in two minds on who/where to play it to.

      Lovren echos the sentiments of being a Liverpool player, but unfortunately, does not possess the quality or consistency to remain as a starter when Joe Gomez returns.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2278: Jan 04, 2019 01:06:10 pm
      The over reaction on here again is ridiculous however not surprising too many dislike him to view a game with impartiality.

      Yes he was poor and completely lost it in a few moments but he wasn’t the sole reason for the result like many are suggesting. Not going to make any excuses for him but anyone who knows anything about football will tell you that him and Trent were singled out as the weak link in our back line. Both not just Lovren didn’t deal with situations and moments as they should have yet the blame is solely on Lovrens shoulders.

      For the expense, experience, and success of the City back line the way they dealt with our goal was the poorest piece of defending on the night but given they won the game it isn’t even mentioned.

      Lastly if you’re going to put sh*t on him for talking to the media do ensure you have your facts and quotes straight verbatim. That goes for the “invincibles” comment and “best  defender in the world”.

      As they are not only mistranslated but lacking context.
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      Reply #2279: Jan 04, 2019 01:18:13 pm
      Lastly if you’re going to put sh*t on him for talking to the media do ensure you have your facts and quotes straight verbatim. That goes for the “invincibles” comment and “best  defender in the world”.

      As they are not only mistranslated but lacking context.


      I get what you say, have also fact checked it. The thing is, no need to say stuff like that in media and add unnecessary pressure onto yourself, especially when it's been shown that he doesn't perform to his maximum level under pressure. Just go along with the tune of the whole team of playing it down.

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