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      Dejan Lovren Player Thread

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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2350: May 05, 2019 08:25:31 pm

      Yea, he must be fourth choice next season behind VVD, Matip and Gomez. Feel on edge when he's in there, out of position, having to recover and stretch and slide in, clumsy, he's struggling imho.
      If we can get another CB, would cash in on Dejan. Would do me nerves good.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2351: May 05, 2019 08:47:05 pm
      Hes not great is he but he is depth and we dont want to be weakening our hand too much for next season.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2352: May 05, 2019 09:47:42 pm
      In his defense, no way for him to build any continuity when he’s not playing/injured all the time. He’s ok as 4th choice but doubt he will want that role.

      Mate no one on here has been known to defend him like I have. But his basic errors are indefensible and frustrating, as on his day he can be top quality.

      Not sure he will be afforded the patience any longer nor would his ego permit him to be 3rd or 4th choice.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2353: May 20, 2019 10:23:34 pm
      Lovren signed through '20-'21
      2nd highest paid defender on roster
      Salary: 100k / week ....5.2 mill / yr

      Big payout for roster depth while younger starters earn a fraction.
      In value terms....not ideal
      Legal issues have disappeared

      2014 transfer fee paid: 20 mill

      2018-19.....13 appearances....stats:
      https://www.premierleague.com/players/4813/Dejan-Lovren/stats?co=1&se=210
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      Financially, LFC has ample funds to pay premium wages and trophy ambitions that require quality depth at the very end of the bench and beyond.
      Still.......5.2 mill / yr for what will likely be a depth only defender who, despite his self proclaimed "Best Defender in the World" post World Cup delusions, lost the trust of management to the point LFC went out and paid a record fee for VvD and..... has been effectively replaced by younger, faster, better, cheaper players.

      Will LFC ever cut bait on Dejan Lovren?
      Should they?
      Could they?
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2354: May 22, 2019 08:31:19 am
      I think Dejan is worth more to the squad than just playing, hes a great guy by all accounts, speaks what ? 5 languages.

      Even if he is backup CB he is defo worth keeping.

      But I wonder if he will be happy as backup, perhaps he will want to be no.1 choice elsewhere.

      Will be interesting to see how it develops.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2355: Aug 13, 2019 12:24:37 am
      Lovren going could be a difficult one.  4th choice and hasn't played 10 games in a row.  When we need him due to injuries he hardly fit to help out.  3 experience centre halves is risky. 
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2356: Aug 13, 2019 08:27:06 am
      Lovren going could be a difficult one.  4th choice and hasn't played 10 games in a row.  When we need him due to injuries he hardly fit to help out.  3 experience centre halves is risky. 

      We shouldn't get rid of him without having a quality replacement lined up, we saw last term that we need all the CB's we have.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2357: Aug 13, 2019 08:44:28 am
      We shouldn't get rid of him without having a quality replacement lined up, we saw last term that we need all the CB's we have.

      We also saw that Fabinho is more than capable of doing a good job there. City only have 3 CBs this season and their defence isn’t as strong as ours.

      If a good offer comes in for Lovren then we should accept it IMO. He’s never managed 10 consecutive games and he’s essentially now only being kept in case an injury crisis happens, when there is every chance he will be injured anyway, and if he isn’t injured then he might have a mare and cost us a goal. He played quite well at times last season but it’s clear he’s some way off the other 3 now in terms of reliability.

      Not against keeping him for the season but if an offer comes in then we shouldn’t reject it just on the off chance he isn’t injured if we happen to need him. The fact he didn’t even make the bench against Norwich I think says it all on where he is in terms of our plans going forward. Either that or we lose him for free in a year? Along with Clyne and Lallana.
      Keeping injury prone and unreliable players for the sake of it just on the off chance of needing them doesn’t make sense to me.

      But hey, at least if he does go it will give people a reason to beat the Clyne out on loan drum again, soon have a song for our 4th choice RB and 4th choice CB.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2358: Aug 13, 2019 09:37:27 am
      We also saw that Fabinho is more than capable of doing a good job there. City only have 3 CBs this season and their defence isn’t as strong as ours.

      If a good offer comes in for Lovren then we should accept it IMO. He’s never managed 10 consecutive games and he’s essentially now only being kept in case an injury crisis happens, when there is every chance he will be injured anyway, and if he isn’t injured then he might have a mare and cost us a goal. He played quite well at times last season but it’s clear he’s some way off the other 3 now in terms of reliability.

      Not against keeping him for the season but if an offer comes in then we shouldn’t reject it just on the off chance he isn’t injured if we happen to need him. The fact he didn’t even make the bench against Norwich I think says it all on where he is in terms of our plans going forward. Either that or we lose him for free in a year? Along with Clyne and Lallana.
      Keeping injury prone and unreliable players for the sake of it just on the off chance of needing them doesn’t make sense to me.

      But hey, at least if he does go it will give people a reason to beat the Clyne out on loan drum again, soon have a song for our 4th choice RB and 4th choice CB.

      Yes we needed Fabinho because 3 of our CB's were injured, what happens if the same happens again but this time we don't have Lovren?
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2359: Aug 13, 2019 12:07:26 pm
      Yes we needed Fabinho because 3 of our CB's were injured, what happens if the same happens again but this time we don't have Lovren?

      Well Lovren was one of the 3 that were injured so it wouldn’t make a difference.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2360: Aug 13, 2019 12:20:24 pm
      Well Lovren was one of the 3 that were injured so it wouldn’t make a difference.

      Then we are one less injury away from fabinho at centre back.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2361: Aug 13, 2019 12:59:07 pm
      It's better for everyone for him to be sold. Hoever and the young dutchman we signed could do a job there, as can Fabinho.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2362: Aug 13, 2019 03:43:52 pm
      It's better for everyone for him to be sold. Hoever and the young dutchman we signed could do a job there, as can Fabinho.

      the young dutchman is bloody 17 YEARS OLD. Fabinho is ok as a CB but Lovren is better

      This is ridiculous. We should not be seilling him, we needed him last season and he played amazing when he came in. We had 2 injuries last year and as we seen with Alisson the same thing can happen at any moment.

      SMDH.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2363: Aug 13, 2019 03:51:53 pm
      the young dutchman is bloody 17 YEARS OLD. Fabinho is ok as a CB but Lovren is better

      If you’re good enough then you’re old enough. Remember Trent was 18 when he took the place of an established first team player. Many players have broken through at 17/18, for us and others so age is irrelevant because if Klopp feels he’s good enough then he will play him ahead of Lovren or whoever else anyway. Let’s not forget, we could have kept Clyne but we ended up with 16yr old Hoever playing and doing a good job at that...because Lovren got injured as it goes.

      Id also say Fabinho looked better than Lovren at CB.

      But, personally I’m not fussed either way. If he stays then it’s an extra option should we need it and providing he’s not injured but at the same time, because of his unreliability in terms of fitness and performance, if a good enough offer comes in then I think we should take it.

      He’s been left behind for the Super Cup hasn’t he? Not a good sign for his future seeing as you get as many subs as you do in the CL final...unless he’s injured again.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2364: Aug 13, 2019 04:04:02 pm
      Once again this is not a good decision. After selling Dejan we will have 3 first team centre halves for 2 positions.

      With Dejan last season we still found ourselves short at centre back for a portion of last season.

      We are weakening the squad having already not strengthened it.

      Its not great at all.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2365: Aug 13, 2019 04:05:37 pm
      Hes not great is he but he is depth and we dont want to be weakening our hand too much for next season.

      Still this for me. Would have been different if we made a signing in that area. I do not count the 1.7 million£ signing as being ready for premier league football at that age.
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      Reply #2366: Aug 13, 2019 04:20:53 pm
      Fabinho is probably our most important midfielder. For me i prefer specialists as opposed to someone who can 'do a job'. Last few seasons we have seen can, lucas, gini and fab all there with talk of hendo too. If we had got a more experienced back up than hoever and van den berg then fine but when you have that experience at your club then use it.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2367: Aug 13, 2019 06:43:52 pm
      Being Bobby's mate couldn't save Moreno, so obviously being Mo's mate isn't gonna save Lovren.

      Just Lallana to get rid of to wash away the last remnants of Brendan's shitshow.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2368: Aug 13, 2019 09:00:01 pm
      In a great season last time, the one truly embarrassing performance was that night against Wolves in the FA cup. I still don't like remembering us falling apart defensively like that, and going out of the FA cup in that way, and it came about cos we didn't have enough strength in depth.(Our small, but significant, dip in form in the league followed that FA cup shambles as well.) I'm not a fan of us putting ourselves at risk of that again when we hit injuries and fixture congestion mid-season.

      So I'm not keen on him going without a replacement. We'll probably get away with it, but we might not, and I don't think we should take the risk.
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      Reply #2369: Aug 13, 2019 10:12:01 pm
      In a great season last time, the one truly embarrassing performance was that night against Wolves in the FA cup. I still don't like remembering us falling apart defensively like that, and going out of the FA cup in that way, and it came about cos we didn't have enough strength in depth.(Our small, but significant, dip in form in the league followed that FA cup shambles as well.) I'm not a fan of us putting ourselves at risk of that again when we hit injuries and fixture congestion mid-season.

      So I'm not keen on him going without a replacement. We'll probably get away with it, but we might not, and I don't think we should take the risk.

      Yeah well I think the clubs stance on the domestic cups is a pretty dim one, I dont think the money is in those tournaments for Fenway to give a f**k sadly.

      No we'll be out the minute we get a championship club or higher in both of those again this season.

      Club must have made a killing this summer in the transfer window, it really is stripped to the minimum now in all positions bar central midfield.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2370: Aug 13, 2019 11:08:53 pm
      We should absolutely be holding on to Lovren until we get a replacement.

      Do we all forget what happened when we lost defenders through injury January last season?

      It would be lunacy to let him leave and continue the season with only 3 CB's.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2371: Aug 14, 2019 12:39:19 am
      It would be lunacy to let him leave and continue the season with only 3 CB's.

      Wonder if City had the same opinion letting Mangala go, leaving them with only 3 CBs. Doubt it, and our defence is better than theirs.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2372: Aug 14, 2019 10:12:09 am
      You can't have a 4th choice for defence as good as Lovren is, who would start in almost every team from outside top 6. It's an aberration which doesn't happen at any team.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2373: Aug 14, 2019 10:33:52 am
      You can't have a 4th choice for defence as good as Lovren is, who would start in almost every team from outside top 6. It's an aberration which doesn't happen at any team.

      clearly you can and clearly we needed it last season
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2374: Aug 14, 2019 11:25:04 am
      I’m putting my trust in the Boss, not let us down since his arrival..

      If Loren feels his time is up at the club & can get a regular starting slot in another team,then FairPlay & he leaves with me wishing him well..



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