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      Dejan Lovren Player Thread

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      rossyred
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2475: Feb 29, 2020 10:46:57 pm
      Definitely  not good enough but most have known since the start however he was no worse than the untouchables who people refuse to criticize  Firmino ,Gini , VVD for first two goals and TAA who was awful.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2476: Feb 29, 2020 10:49:25 pm
      Not all his fault but I think it's time Mo starts helping him pack up his house and belongings and gets ready to say good bye to his Bestie!!!
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2477: Feb 29, 2020 10:57:00 pm
      Not all his fault but I think it's time Mo starts helping him pack up his house and belongings and gets ready to say good bye to his Bestie!!!

      Dont think Mo will.be too far behind tbh
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2478: Feb 29, 2020 11:05:33 pm
      Dont think Mo will.be too far behind tbh

      Hope you're wrong there mate!
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2479: Feb 29, 2020 11:12:26 pm

      So do I just get a feeling he could end up in Spain
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2480: Mar 01, 2020 12:07:20 am
      So do I just get a feeling he could end up in Spain

      Na f**k those Spanish Cu*ts!
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      Reply #2481: Mar 01, 2020 03:19:33 am
      I wonder when in the week he got the nod and when after watching the videos of Watford throughout the week how Dejan managed to still want to wrestle with Deeney rather than concentrating on the ball.

      A lot of work goes in to identifying opposition strengths and weaknesses so I'm wondering whether Dejan got the wrong information or that he just cant help himself from getting into needless macho tustles that he invariably comes out on the wrong side of.

      I actually think we got our tactics wrong and that with Joe missing the game, Dejan was brought in with Deeney in mind. I think actually Joel would have dealt with him in a better way.

      Deeney confirmed later on on Sky the plan to target Lovren and that Dejans style of defending played right into his hands as he was playing Deeney at his own game and he was able to win fouls off him all game and pin up against him, creating the vital first goal.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2482: Mar 01, 2020 03:38:24 am
      Agree about the shouts of moving him on, been here the same length of time as Lallana. We've got VVD, Gomez & Matip either promote some one from U23's or invest in young up and coming centre back.
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      Reply #2483: Mar 01, 2020 04:42:33 am
      Deeney confirmed later on on Sky the plan to target Lovren and that Dejans style of defending played right into his hands as he was playing Deeney at his own game and he was able to win fouls off him all game and pin up against him, creating the vital first goal.

      It isn't rocket science that 95 percent of strikers always target the right side of our defence no matter if it is Gomez, Lovren or Matip because none of them are of the quality of VvD and TAA on the right is easier to beat than Robbo. Though in this game I feel comfortable saying if Matip started we still would of lost.

      Not to take anything away from Lovren he struggled with Deeney and fought with the ball with so many missed passes and random ball sent out of play.

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      Reply #2484: Mar 01, 2020 05:56:42 am
      I wonder when in the week he got the nod and when after watching the videos of Watford throughout the week how Dejan managed to still want to wrestle with Deeney rather than concentrating on the ball.

      A lot of work goes in to identifying opposition strengths and weaknesses so I'm wondering whether Dejan got the wrong information or that he just cant help himself from getting into needless macho tustles that he invariably comes out on the wrong side of.

      I actually think we got our tactics wrong and that with Joe missing the game, Dejan was brought in with Deeney in mind. I think actually Joel would have dealt with him in a better way.

      Deeney confirmed later on on Sky the plan to target Lovren and that Dejans style of defending played right into his hands as he was playing Deeney at his own game and he was able to win fouls off him all game and pin up against him, creating the vital first goal.

      What do you mean lad you have to wrestle with Deeney that’s how he plays? Who ever marks Deeney ends up wrestling with him like the man said himself Lovren was an easier target than Virgil.

      Not to defend that performance from Dejan though it was awful all around and I’m certain he will be gone in the summer.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2485: Mar 01, 2020 07:55:51 am
      He should be sold not for yesterday's performance but we should do better than him.

      He was par with the rest of the team yesterday.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2486: Mar 01, 2020 08:47:47 am
      He should be sold not for yesterday's performance but we should do better than him.

      He was par with the rest of the team yesterday.
      Pretty much mate we were poor  all over the pitch yesterday but as has been said plenty of times on this forum the lad has to many mistakes in him to be wholly depended & relied upon also the lad seems to just go to pieces.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2487: Mar 01, 2020 08:48:59 am
      Definitely  not good enough but most have known since the start however he was no worse than the untouchables who people refuse to criticize  Firmino ,Gini , VVD for first two goals and TAA who was awful.

      oh he was worse than them, almost all the goals can be linked to Dejan,certainly the first where he is trying to wrestle Deeney for some weird reason and just lets the ball bounce over him and the third where his pass put Trent under pressure. The second was just one of those weird goals where everyone thought the ball was going out except the Watford players and then the perfect pass to Sarr.

      Throughout the game the defence looked nervous and unsure of itself, I'm not sure if Matip still isn't fit but playing Lovren was a mistake, we may still have lost but not by as much.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2488: Mar 01, 2020 10:35:10 am
      TAA on the right is easier to beat than Robbo.

      Yes, but I think we actually concede more goals from the left.
      Trent may be easier to beat but I don’t think he has the lapses in concentration that Robbo does.

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      Reply #2489: Mar 01, 2020 11:09:29 am
      oh he was worse than them, almost all the goals can be linked to Dejan,certainly the first where he is trying to wrestle Deeney for some weird reason and just lets the ball bounce over him and the third where his pass put Trent under pressure. The second was just one of those weird goals where everyone thought the ball was going out except the Watford players and then the perfect pass to Sarr.

      Throughout the game the defence looked nervous and unsure of itself, I'm not sure if Matip still isn't fit but playing Lovren was a mistake, we may still have lost but not by as much.

      For the first goal Deeney did not touch the ball so Lovren will say he did his job yes he wasnt great but there were three more stages after it Fabinho didnt go with doucoure, Virgil was then weak letting him cross it and Robbo lost Sarr so all 4 as culpable.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2490: Mar 01, 2020 11:17:33 am
      Missing Henderson is one thing, but the whole defence looked out of sorts,, Although Lovren not up to the standard required by the club.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2491: Mar 01, 2020 12:25:15 pm
      For the first goal Deeney did not touch the ball so Lovren will say he did his job yes he wasnt great but there were three more stages after it Fabinho didnt go with doucoure, Virgil was then weak letting him cross it and Robbo lost Sarr so all 4 as culpable.

      Deeney was holding both his arms down making sure he couldn’t leap of the ground. Still a sh*t reaction overall and performance.
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      Reply #2492: Mar 01, 2020 12:26:28 pm
      For the first goal Deeney did not touch the ball so Lovren will say he did his job yes he wasnt great but there were three more stages after it Fabinho didnt go with doucoure, Virgil was then weak letting him cross it and Robbo lost Sarr so all 4 as culpable.

      sorry but its not Lovren's role to man mark one player, badly, if it is then that's bloody crazy, havign said that what the f**k Virgil was doign just watching that ball get passed into the box is beyond me.
      As said Lovren was not the only bad player but he was probably the worst and I think he affected the other players.
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      Reply #2493: Mar 01, 2020 12:30:59 pm
      sorry but its not Lovren's role to man mark one player, badly, if it is then that's bloody crazy, havign said that what the f**k Virgil was doign just watching that ball get passed into the box is beyond me.
      As said Lovren was not the only bad player but he was probably the worst and I think he affected the other players.

      What do you means it's not his role to man mark do you think Deeney  should have been left alone ?
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      Reply #2494: Mar 01, 2020 12:49:40 pm
      What do you mean lad you have to wrestle with Deeney that’s how he plays? Who ever marks Deeney ends up wrestling with him like the man said himself Lovren was an easier target than Virgil.

      Not to defend that performance from Dejan though it was awful all around and I’m certain he will be gone in the summer.

      I'm on about the interview Deeney did where he literally said the following;

      "I don't want to be disrespectful to Lovren and say he is the weaker of the two but I knew he wanted to fight me as well, and that is my game, so if you want to try and fight me you are going to have to be in for a tough night.

      "He did that for the first goal, trying to fight me for the throw-in and then I obviously rolled him and we scored.

      "He is trying to fight me instead of watching the ball and we scored."

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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2495: Mar 01, 2020 12:57:45 pm
      I'm on about the interview Deeney did where he literally said the following;

      "I don't want to be disrespectful to Lovren and say he is the weaker of the two but I knew he wanted to fight me as well, and that is my game, so if you want to try and fight me you are going to have to be in for a tough night.

      "He did that for the first goal, trying to fight me for the throw-in and then I obviously rolled him and we scored.

      "He is trying to fight me instead of watching the ball and we scored."



      These quotes say it all really.

      It was clear that Deeney was targeting him, to be fair VVD/Klopp can take some blame in not switching them around to ensure VVD was picking up Deeney, it wasn't rocket science to see that Lovren was being bullied everytime.
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      Reply #2496: Mar 01, 2020 02:42:50 pm
      These quotes say it all really.

      It was clear that Deeney was targeting him, to be fair VVD/Klopp can take some blame in not switching them around to ensure VVD was picking up Deeney, it wasn't rocket science to see that Lovren was being bullied everytime.

      No question about Deeney being bulled but Virgil always plays on the left and whoever is partnering him is on the right.

      Of all our players, perhaps none has a wider range of performances between very good and awful than Dejan Lovren.
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      Reply #2497: Mar 01, 2020 03:05:54 pm
      No question about Deeney being bulled but Virgil always plays on the left and whoever is partnering him is on the right.

      Of all our players, perhaps none has a wider range of performances between very good and awful than Dejan Lovren.

      I understand that but I am sure VVD can play on the right and we have seen Lovren do a decent job before on the left. If Deeney is clearly hogging the right to target Lovren why not swap them over.

      Hindsight is a great thing, it might be that Deeney still went on to target Lovren, regardless of the sides the CB's play, but for me, we should have least acknowledged it.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2498: Mar 01, 2020 03:08:08 pm
      Is a walking disaster of a cb , if Watford needed a lift they got it soon as his name appeared on the team sheet .
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2499: Mar 01, 2020 03:16:28 pm
      I understand that but I am sure VVD can play on the right and we have seen Lovren do a decent job before on the left. If Deeney is clearly hogging the right to target Lovren why not swap them over.

      Hindsight is a great thing, it might be that Deeney still went on to target Lovren, regardless of the sides the CB's play, but for me, we should have least acknowledged it.

      Fair enough. Thing with Lovren is, as I mentioned somewhere else, he can put in a very good shift, but when he gets it wrong, he gets it totally wrong.

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