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      Dejan Lovren Player Thread

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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2500: Mar 01, 2020 03:25:08 pm
      He is the definition of a confidence player. Once he loses confidence in himself in the game he is never the same.

      As soon as he lost one battle against Deeney his day was done.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2501: Mar 01, 2020 04:39:30 pm
      I understand that but I am sure VVD can play on the right and we have seen Lovren do a decent job before on the left. If Deeney is clearly hogging the right to target Lovren why not swap them over.

      Hindsight is a great thing, it might be that Deeney still went on to target Lovren, regardless of the sides the CB's play, but for me, we should have least acknowledged it.
      Was the same a couple of years ago V scum Lukaku bullied him when Rashford scored twice too slow to react to putting VVD on him
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2502: Mar 01, 2020 04:48:43 pm
      Lovren is a mediocre defender these days, I'd rather play Fabinho or even Hoever, but I'm still baffled why Jürgen didn't start Matip.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2503: Mar 01, 2020 05:10:41 pm
      As soon as he lost one battle against Deeney his day was done

      His day was done even before then when he kept passing them the ball.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2504: Mar 01, 2020 05:32:16 pm
      Is a walking disaster of a cb , if Watford needed a lift they got it soon as his name appeared on the team sheet .

      Who wouldn’t? Everyone of us would target him in our setup. It would be silly not to.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2505: Mar 01, 2020 08:01:23 pm
      I'm on about the interview Deeney did where he literally said the following;

      "I don't want to be disrespectful to Lovren and say he is the weaker of the two but I knew he wanted to fight me as well, and that is my game, so if you want to try and fight me you are going to have to be in for a tough night.

      "He did that for the first goal, trying to fight me for the throw-in and then I obviously rolled him and we scored.

      "He is trying to fight me instead of watching the ball and we scored."



      Have a read yourself again and note the bit where Deeney says “it’s my game” as what I said in my post  originally. He always wrestles in every game all he said is that he picked out the weaker link out of the two.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2506: Mar 02, 2020 05:26:30 am
      Have a read yourself again and note the bit where Deeney says “it’s my game” as what I said in my post  originally. He always wrestles in every game all he said is that he picked out the weaker link out of the two.

      I dont need to read it I heard him say it. The whole interview was around avoiding Van Dijk and picking on the weaker player, about how Lovren wanted to fight him and how that is Deeneys game.

      Lovren wanted to fight and that's his game. Theres nothing left to be said on it mate. Deeney is many things, but cryptic is not one of them. Theres very little room to take away anything else even if you want it to :laugh:
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2507: Mar 02, 2020 05:49:28 am
      As i heard somebody say over the weekend, he's never far away from the scene of fhe crime.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2508: Mar 02, 2020 11:10:37 am
      Have a read yourself again and note the bit where Deeney says “it’s my game” as what I said in my post  originally. He always wrestles in every game all he said is that he picked out the weaker link out of the two.

      It hurts when your heroes get ridiculed doesn't it, but perhaps you can find some better heroes!

      Lovren used to be an ok CB but these days he is utter garbage, I NEVER want to see him play for us again, I'd honestly put him behind Fabinho and the kids like Hoever and even Van Den Berg at this point, at least they have the potential of getting better.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2509: Mar 02, 2020 12:57:23 pm
      It hurts when your heroes get ridiculed doesn't it, but perhaps you can find some better heroes!

      Lovren used to be an ok CB but these days he is utter garbage, I NEVER want to see him play for us again, I'd honestly put him behind Fabinho and the kids like Hoever and even Van Den Berg at this point, at least they have the potential of getting better.

      Shut up lid pull your head in. Where did I say he was my hero?
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2510: Mar 02, 2020 01:00:59 pm
      Shut up lid pull your head in. Where did I say he was my hero?

      LOL
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2511: Mar 02, 2020 02:43:28 pm
      He used to be a decent CB. He was always prone to the odd moment of calamity, but generally he was a much better CB than what we've been seeing. But, and it is a big but, he is a confidence player that needs regular games. I think it was a mistake on Klopp's behalf to play him on Saturday against an aggressive Watford team fighting for survival. As brilliant a manager as he is, that was a team selection mistake from the gaffer and it cost us.

      I don't see Lovren as a reliable back up, should go to a mid table team to get regular games where he will be decent again, but certainly not Liverpool standards. Matip can come in and generally be a reliable CB, Lovren can't.

      Onwards and upwards.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2512: Mar 02, 2020 04:33:19 pm
      It hurts when your heroes get ridiculed doesn't it, but perhaps you can find some better heroes!

      Lovren used to be an ok CB but these days he is utter garbage, I NEVER want to see him play for us again, I'd honestly put him behind Fabinho and the kids like Hoever and even Van Den Berg at this point, at least they have the potential of getting better.

      this goes along with your post on Hendo when you wanted him to get injured so jurgen couldn't pick him.As Jürgen said people who blamed Dejan for the defeat … he cant help then.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2513: Mar 02, 2020 08:05:17 pm
      Yeah some on here should have a look or read of the presser from Jürgen. His words should be gospel to all fans given his status. If he’s good enough for him he’s good enough for me same goes for any player he picks.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2514: Mar 02, 2020 08:42:22 pm
      Yeah some on here should have a look or read of the presser from Jürgen. His words should be gospel to all fans given his status. If he’s good enough for him he’s good enough for me same goes for any player he picks.

      its the clamour for blood I really don't like Dejan is a Liverpool player and he plays at the highest International level he isn't a muppet. He has been plagued by injuries these past couple of seasons and every time he is picked the knives are out for him.  It took Joe a few months to get back his match fitness and his form why isn't Dejan offered the same patience. I am old fashioned in so much as if he has a Red shirt on he gets my support. We all get pissed off especially just after a match but lining up alongside the likes of Neville or Shearer isn't for me
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2515: Mar 02, 2020 09:11:45 pm
      its the clamour for blood I really don't like Dejan is a Liverpool player and he plays at the highest International level he isn't a muppet. He has been plagued by injuries these past couple of seasons and every time he is picked the knives are out for him.  It took Joe a few months to get back his match fitness and his form why isn't Dejan offered the same patience. I am old fashioned in so much as if he has a Red shirt on he gets my support. We all get pissed off especially just after a match but lining up alongside the likes of Neville or Shearer isn't for me

      The blame solely attached to him for the first goal was staggering if I am honest
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2516: Mar 02, 2020 09:17:11 pm
      The blame solely attached to him for the first goal was staggering if I am honest

      So you guys would be OK to rest Virgil and Joe for a few games and start Lovren and Matip instead, no, thought not.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2517: Mar 02, 2020 10:11:40 pm
      So you guys would be OK to rest Virgil and Joe for a few games and start Lovren and Matip instead, no, thought not.
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      What are you papping on about . Am I saying he is good enough ? Am I saying he played well ? No I am saying he wasnt solely to blame for the goals and the defeat and your f**king silly arguement that it was his fault he man marked someone and shouldn't have is truly f**king comical . Give it a rest you are boring me now with your petty childish arguement about someone who the consensus knows is probably  not good enough is getting boring now
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2518: Mar 03, 2020 10:11:16 am
      So you guys would be OK to rest Virgil and Joe for a few games and start Lovren and Matip instead, no, thought not.
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      What are you papping on about . Am I saying he is good enough ? Am I saying he played well ? No I am saying he wasnt solely to blame for the goals and the defeat and your f**king silly arguement that it was his fault he man marked someone and shouldn't have is truly f**king comical . Give it a rest you are boring me now with your petty childish arguement about someone who the consensus knows is probably  not good enough is getting boring now

      My comment was not just directed at you, I have said previously the whole team played sh*t against Watford, but I think a lot of it stemmed form the instability which Lovren brought to the team. Anyway, I'm also bored of this topic now, I want to look forward to the game tonight and a chance to get back to winning ways.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2519: Mar 03, 2020 11:31:14 am


      My comment was not just directed at you, I have said previously the whole team played sh*t against Watford, but I think a lot of it stemmed form the instability which Lovren brought to the team. Anyway, I'm also bored of this topic now, I want to look forward to the game tonight and a chance to get back to winning ways.

      many of us are bored stiff of your comments you seem  to be sharpening your knives during every game what a pity it took 44 league games for you to get them out and use them .....idiot . If you back track much more you'll end up back in the womb
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2520: Mar 03, 2020 12:49:32 pm
      many of us are bored stiff of your comments you seem  to be sharpening your knives during every game what a pity it took 44 league games for you to get them out and use them .....idiot . If you back track much more you'll end up back in the womb

      what on earth are you wittering on about now, what is it that I'm backtracking about in your opinion, did I use to praise Lovren or something?

      If you actually bothered to read my posts, rather that just seeing them as some sort of red rag, then you'd see that yes I'm disappointed with the Watford result and several games prior to it, but that I have full confidence that the team will bounce back and that it is truly a remarkable achievement to have gone 44 games unbeaten and 18 straight wins with the highest PPG that any team has done in such an unbeaten run.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2521: Mar 03, 2020 03:41:26 pm
      I don't see Lovren as a reliable back up, should go to a mid table team to get regular games where he will be decent again, but certainly not Liverpool standards. Matip can come in and generally be a reliable CB, Lovren can't.

      We went through this with Gomez and Matip this season as well when they were coming back that they had to play to find their form. I think when Lovren playing well he can do a job like we seen earlier this season when he started a few games over October and November which is what you want your 4th CB to be able to do.



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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2522: Mar 03, 2020 04:03:31 pm
      We went through this with Gomez and Matip this season as well when they were coming back that they had to play to find their form

      Think it’s a bit different for Gomez, he’s still only 21/22 and has been dealing with injuries for a large part of his career with us, think the longest spell he had playing week in week out was up until he broke his ankle against Burnley last season so it’s almost to be expected he would need a run of games to get back to his consistent level.

      Where as Lovren and Matip are both experienced players now, I think when you get to a certain point in your career you have to be able to come straight back into the team and deliver a good performance without having to play a few games first. Obviously if you’ve been out for a long time with something like an ACL or broken leg it’s a bit different but with Lovren and Matip it’s often a collection of constant small injuries. But even when they’ve not been playing as a result of injury, just can’t get into the team which has largely been the case with Lovren since Shrewsbury, I’d expect him to come in and play to a much better standard. He knows what level he needs to be at when coming into the team, he has played 400-500 games in his career so he should be at a point now where if he isn’t playing for however long, then when we need him to step in then he shows his experience and deliver, much like Milner has done over the years.

      IMO we can’t be having 2 experienced CB’s that need 4,5,6 games in order to find a level of consistency because what happens if we lose Virgil and Joe at the same time? We end up with 2 experienced players struggling and putting in a performance like they did vs Shrewsbury together because they need a run of games. It can be very costly.

      For me Lovren has to go in the summer and we need to bring someone in who has some experience about him and that can be relied upon to fill in and deliver straight away.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2523: Mar 03, 2020 05:33:40 pm
      Yeah some on here should have a look or read of the presser from Jürgen. His words should be gospel to all fans given his status. If he’s good enough for him he’s good enough for me same goes for any player he picks.

      Klopp says “Lovren is sh*te and he’s never starting him ever again. Oh and by the way, would anyone like to give us £20m for him in the summer"

      There’s one good reason why Klopp might still want to talk him up.
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      Re: Dejan Lovren Player Thread
      Reply #2524: Mar 03, 2020 05:51:18 pm
      Klopp says “Lovren is sh*te and he’s never starting him ever again. Oh and by the way, would anyone like to give us £20m for him in the summer"

      There’s one good reason why Klopp might still want to talk him up.

      possibly because he knows destroying people in public or someone he has worked with for 4 years isn't smart in any scenario he would have got rid just like Sakho if he didn't think he could do a job.

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