Alberto Moreno (Contract Expired)

I think the occasion got to him in 2nd half. Take him out and we win the game.

That’s not me hanging him out to dry at all - just a statement of fact.

He’s been somewhat improved and deserves another chance.

I think the mistake had been playing him so relentlessly - no real chance to get Robbo properly into defensive routines as an option / alternative. That I do think the boss has got wrong.

Not destroying the lad but I think he created the panic with his mistakes - we had to expect they’d have a “time” in the game.

Everyone defending Moreno has become so used to how sh*t we are defensively because if this was during the Benitez years, he would be gone a long time ago.

He is not going to change. He is a headless chicken with no brain or rationality when it comes to defending. Period.

I think the occasion got to him in 2nd half. Take him out and we win the game.

That’s not me hanging him out to dry at all - just a statement of fact.

He’s been somewhat improved and deserves another chance.

I think the mistake had been playing him so relentlessly - no real chance to get Robbo properly into defensive routines as an option / alternative. That I do think the boss has got wrong.

Not destroying the lad but I think he created the panic with his mistakes - we had to expect they’d have a “time” in the game.

Having Moreno, Migs and Lovren in the same defensive unit is a recipe for disaster as they are all liable to individual mistakes, we have to upgrade all 3 of them if we want to ever win anything.

So are we officially calling this a relapse?

I'm not, I'm willing to say that against his old club after becoming a father just 3 days ago that his head possibly wasn't in the right place (his feet certainly weren't). He's played far too well recently to immediately think he's back to the brainless style defending we saw a couple of seasons ago.

It's not a free-pass as such, just he's enough credit in the bank based on this season and enough mitigating factors to believe there's hope.

I'm not, I'm willing to say that against his old club after becoming a father just 3 days ago that his head possibly wasn't in the right place (his feet certainly weren't). He's played far too well recently to immediately think he's back to the brainless style defending we saw a couple of seasons ago.

It's not a free-pass as such, just he's enough credit in the bank based on this season and enough mitigating factors to believe there's hope.

Just a bad day highlighting the fault lines in his game. Nothing more - key is how he reacts.

Every player has them and the good ones work to eradicate / mitigate.

His poor positioning which led to the initial rashness bothers me more than the tackles - stupid though they were.

I’m not sure you’ll ever stop that instinct to “fix” his mistake - what you can work on is making the first mistake less frequently.

The gamble from Jürgen was playing him so exclusively this season but I guess he felt he was benefitting from the continuity.

Just a bad day highlighting the fault lines in his game. Nothing more - key is how he reacts.

Every player has them and the good ones work to eradicate / mitigate.

His poor positioning which led to the initial rashness bothers me more than the tackles - stupid though they were.

I’m not sure you’ll ever stop that instinct to “fix” his mistake - what you can work on is making the first mistake less frequently.

The gamble from Jürgen was playing him so exclusively this season but I guess he felt he was benefitting from the continuity.

Agree with all that mate. With Alby it's been the recklessness in both fixing his mistakes and causing the brainless ones which I think has improved so tremendously this season. Like JD, I understand the pen, we all miscontrol now and again, just a little unlucky it was at a time when he was surrounded by 2 men, the instinct to fix there is probably correct, he just got it a little slow which is unlike him to be fair.

The free-kick I had more issue with, as he was at fault for both the conceding of it and getting beaten on the header. His heading has been much improved but he has to anticipate the run of that guy and give him no chance to get the header on goal.

As for the yellow card, again I've not that much issue with it, because I don't think it was a yellow and he only just missed getting us on a great counter. The occasional risk, when the reward is big enough, I can live with from any player.

Agree with all that mate. With Alby it's been the recklessness in both fixing his mistakes and causing the brainless ones which I think has improved so tremendously this season. Like JD, I understand the pen, we all miscontrol now and again, just a little unlucky it was at a time when he was surrounded by 2 men, the instinct to fix there is probably correct, he just got it a little slow which is unlike him to be fair.

The free-kick I had more issue with, as he was at fault for both the conceding of it and getting beaten on the header. His heading has been much improved but he has to anticipate the run of that guy and give him no chance to get the header on goal.

As for the yellow card, again I've not that much issue with it, because I don't think it was a yellow and he only just missed getting us on a great counter. The occasional risk, when the reward is big enough, I can live with from any player.

He was like a kitten surrounded by a pack of wolves by the time Phil knocked the “acme uxb” pass back to him - that (for me) is what made the touch so poor.

The first goal was a horror all round for him - one those moments where if you had a video on him for those 90 seconds it’d be every emotion under the sun.......

My biggest relief is that he didn’t get a second yellow for either foul. Not many pens now don’t get a card and the first challenge was so f#ckin’ daft.....

I didn’t think he was great in the first half - both my boys called the card was coming way before he got it.

Can Liverpool win the league with this lad playing left back? No.

Can Liverpool win the league with centre backs like Klavan & Lovren? No.

Can people not see the MASSIVE gulf in quality between our front players and back players. I genuinely believe some of our defenders would struggle to get games at relegation threatened teams.



We will continue to win games but our forward players will need to score 3 to 4 goals most games as we will not keep clean sheets on a regular basis.

If se sign Van Dijk in January and start rotating Moreno with Robertson we might be able to finally repair that smashed rear end.

If se sign Van Dijk in January and start rotating Moreno with Robertson we might be able to finally repair that smashed rear end.

You mean the car or our collective arses when we concede.......?

I'm not, I'm willing to say that against his old club after becoming a father just 3 days ago that his head possibly wasn't in the right place (his feet certainly weren't). He's played far too well recently to immediately think he's back to the brainless style defending we saw a couple of seasons ago.

It's not a free-pass as such, just he's enough credit in the bank based on this season and enough mitigating factors to believe there's hope.

I'm of a similar opinion. I have given the lad all sorts of shi....te in this thread but he has played very well this season and up until last night had put in a very solid run of games. There have been considerably less brain fart decisions and rushes of blood and his positioning and decision making has improved. I still believe that Robertson is deserving of more chances, yes I do, but he appears not to have been a player that Klopp wanted (has transfer committee written all over it).

As good as Moreno has seemingly been (prior to last night apparently)....don't you have to wonder if Andy might have been even better at this point?

From the little game time I saw from him, I'd like to find out what he's made of. I think it's criminal he's not been given so few chances.

I ask a rhetorical question a few weeks back. How will Moreno do now that he is asked to defend more? With our attack getting healthy and playing all at once the need for him to go forward isn’t as prevalent. And so Klopp is asking the FBs to stay back and defend more. Well..... Moreno gonna Moreno. I’m not completely writing him off, he has played better this season. But his role is changing and I’m not sure he is built for it. He wants to attack and press forward. We need him to defend, and last night the only thing he defended was our chance to lock this group up. Give Robo the weekend and let’s see how he does. Moreno has had a lot happen in the last two weeks, give him a moment to take it all in. In the mean time let’s hope Robo makes it hard for Moreno to get back in.

I ask a rhetorical question a few weeks back. How will Moreno do now that he is asked to defend more? With our attack getting healthy and playing all at once the need for him to go forward isn’t as prevalent. And so Klopp is asking the FBs to stay back and defend more. Well..... Moreno gonna Moreno. I’m not completely writing him off, he has played better this season. But his role is changing and I’m not sure he is built for it. He wants to attack and press forward. We need him to defend, and last night the only thing he defended was our chance to lock this group up. Give Robo the weekend and let’s see how he does. Moreno has had a lot happen in the last two weeks, give him a moment to take it all in. In the mean time let’s hope Robo makes it hard for Moreno to get back in.

I don't think Klopp wanted to sign Robertson mate, has the classic look of a transfer committee 'here's a good player Jürgen' transfer. He has barely had a look in and Klopp recently said he needed to improve to get a chance. It's a shame because he has a terrific left foot on him but I suspect he will be looking for a move away before long.

I don't think Klopp wanted to sign Robertson mate, has the classic look of a transfer committee 'here's a good player Jürgen' transfer. He has barely had a look in and Klopp recently said he needed to improve to get a chance. It's a shame because he has a terrific left foot on him but I suspect he will be looking for a move away before long.

It is a shame - he’s a fine footballer and miles more rounded than Bertie - but the boss has to run the show.....

On Andy I do think he’s got it wrong but I back him to make those choices.

It was coming last night. Remember him sticking a simple header out for a corner in the first half and then doing something similar to set up a Sevilla attack within seconds of the restart. The rest has been covered plenty enough in this thread.

Played well enough this season to earn another chance although I’d like to see Robertson get a few games soon to see what level he’s at.

It is a shame - he’s a fine footballer and miles more rounded than Bertie - but the boss has to run the show.....

On Andy I do think he’s got it wrong but I back him to make those choices.

So you back Jürgen to make wrong choices, how odd!

Miscontrols the ball then trips the player, running away from goal, in the box,resulting in goal number 2.
But yes let's not hang him out to dry, it's not Moron's fault he's fu**ed us twice against his former club is it? 

Can't blame Moreno for that second goal, it was an awful F***ing ball to him from Coutinho. Trying way too hard if you're gonna put all the blame on Alberto for the second. Coutinho should take as much blame for not getting rid of the ball instead of playing an hospital ball back to Moreno.

The pen was a bit harsh imo anyway, the F***ing Sevilla player went down in F***ing stages.

The occasion got the better of the lad last night.

Simple as that.

The occasion got the better of the lad last night.

Simple as that.

So every time we play Sevilla he needs dropping. Not the first time the occasion has got the better of him then!!

Can't use that as an excuse, he had a F***ing shocker and it isn't the first time playing Sevilla it's happened.

If the only issue with Moreno is playing against his old club then he must have been a bit of a journeyman prior to signing for LFC without any of us knowing it.

Checking Bertie's tattoos - http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/liverpool/252601/sh*t-football-ink-liverpools-alberto-moreno-adds-to-baffling-collection-of-animal-themed-body-art-photo.html

We have a panda in a hat and monocle, smoking a pipe; a dog with boxing gloves; and a chimpanzee wearing headphones while carrying a gun.

Now, I'm no psychoanalyst, but I'm going to say there is a common theme there, and it reflects Bertie's subconscious sense of his own hopes of ever being a defender.

Look, I've been one of his harsher critics on here, and I will concede he has been better this season, until last night. But, he's in his 4th season, and in every one we have had a period where people get their hopes up about him, only to have them fairly dramatically dashed. This season his " he's turned the corner" period has lasted a bit longer than before. Even I was starting to wonder ( while being a long way from actually believing) - could he? Has he? Is Jürgen Klopp Professor Henry Higgins and Dr Doolittle rolled into one?

Who knows, maybe last night was a last flash of the old Bertie and he'll carry on as he has been so far this season. Not brilliant, but decent, maybe even pretty good. Maybe. But, f**k me, you wouldn't bet much on it would you? We all know that he would never be in his 4th season at Citeh, Manure, Chelsea or even Spurs. Even Wenger would have binned him by now.

But this is LFC under FSG. Forever waiting for the great leap forward. "Fingers crossed" is our motto these days. And no player personifies that better than Alberto. Who knows. His fourth season could still be a good one.. Stranger things have happened.

But  tattoos are permanent. I can't help feeling that, for Bertie, that chimp with a gun is a commitment.

Anyway, we are getting plenty of time to find out.

Having Moreno, Migs and Lovren in the same defensive unit is a recipe for disaster as they are all liable to individual mistakes, we have to upgrade all 3 of them if we want to ever win anything.

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