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      Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment

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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #750: Oct 23, 2014 11:20:37 am
      I didn't believe Brendan was the messiah last season when we were playing well (that would be Luis), and I don't believe Brendan is the devil now we are struggling.

      We just need to have a little patience and a lot of faith that we can turn our piss poor form around once Sturridge is fit, that we can solve the defensive problems by shooting a couple of players and hoping that Mignolet picks up a trick or two off Jesus and becomes more comfortable with crosses.

      I think a few do though S@int, think he is the devil that is. I've realised the post count has gone up from some posters just recently, they must have been licking their licks like a rabid pack of dogs waiting to get stuck into him.

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      Reply #751: Oct 23, 2014 11:37:58 am
      Two points though:

      1. I called out Lovren in my post as well. He has been sh*te all season so far and also needs to be dropped.

      2. Lovren (as well as the rest of our players) at least shows passion, desire, and commitment to the team.

      Balotelli has shown a bit of effort in small spurts, but if things don't happen for him then he sulks, gets lazy, and refuses to pass the ball whenever it does manage to make its way to him. He is the antithesis of a team player, which completely contradicts the ethos that BR's tactics are designed around.

      Yes but what you failed to do is recognise that there are mitigating circumstances that are contributing (not causing) to their poor performances. Whilst they're in no way blameless, there's also the fact that Lovren has apparently never played on the left side of Centre Back and Balotelli is not, by any stretch of the imagination, the type of player that plays as a loan striker in our style of play. Therefore, with those mitigating circumstances considered, Brendan Rodgers also needs to take criticism for playing them in ways that doesn't get the best out of them. Then the owners need to take criticism for their seeming refusal to sanction high wages to a new signee which leads to a lower quality of player than we need to accomplish their ambitions for the club. Hence my saying there's a collective failure at our club from top to bottom; from the owners to the entire coaching staff to the players themselves. No one person is solely to blame for our troubles; all are to blame for our troubles. Or to put it more simply, it's six of one, half a dozen of the other but some people on here and certainly in the media are portraying Mario has the Devil incarnate, solely responsible for all our problems whilst everyone else is blameless and that's unfair.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #752: Oct 23, 2014 12:03:05 pm
      Yes but what you failed to do is recognise that there are mitigating circumstances that are contributing (not causing) to their poor performances. Whilst they're in no way blameless, there's also the fact that Lovren has apparently never played on the left side of Centre Back and Balotelli is not, by any stretch of the imagination, the type of player that plays as a loan striker in our style of play. Therefore, with those mitigating circumstances considered, Brendan Rodgers also needs to take criticism for playing them in ways that doesn't get the best out of them. Then the owners need to take criticism for their seeming refusal to sanction high wages to a new signee which leads to a lower quality of player than we need to accomplish their ambitions for the club. Hence my saying there's a collective failure at our club from top to bottom; from the owners to the entire coaching staff to the players themselves. No one person is solely to blame for our troubles; all are to blame for our troubles. Or to put it more simply, it's six of one, half a dozen of the other but some people on here and certainly in the media are portraying Mario has the Devil incarnate, solely responsible for all our problems whilst everyone else is blameless and that's unfair.

      Not sure where you got your information from mate, but Lovren's preferred side is left centre back and Balotelli was the most successful lone striker in Europe last season.

      Brendan Rodgers :- "Dejan Lovren has come in and he's played the majority of his career on the left side (as a central defender) and with Martin Skrtel being injured he has had to move across to the right hand side.
       That might only seem a simple 10 yard change but it can make a big difference because he's used to that zone on the left side"


      I do agree that Balotelli doesn't fit our style of play, but it is not a position that he is a stranger to. 
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      Reply #753: Oct 23, 2014 12:38:23 pm
      The thing that annoys me the most is the level of respect we have given them. Actually it goes past respect, we were in awe of them when only 5months ago we were doing that and better. Even the post match chat BR's comments sound like we are somehow SOOO inferior then them. Yes they are better but are we upper Echelon or not? FFS.

      We are slipping here lads.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #754: Oct 23, 2014 12:42:37 pm
      Not sure where you got your information from mate, but Lovren's preferred side is left centre back and Balotelli was the most successful lone striker in Europe last season.

      Brendan Rodgers :- "Dejan Lovren has come in and he's played the majority of his career on the left side (as a central defender) and with Martin Skrtel being injured he has had to move across to the right hand side.
       That might only seem a simple 10 yard change but it can make a big difference because he's used to that zone on the left side"


      I do agree that Balotelli doesn't fit our style of play, but it is not a position that he is a stranger to.

      I stand corrected on those points then. However, when I talk about 'lone striker' I don't mean as opposed to playing with a strike partner, I mean in terms of being the focal point of the attack, if that makes sense? Positional mistakes aside, the wider point I'm trying to make though is that the problems at our club run far deeper than Balotelli's poor performances. He's a problem, not the problem and that's all I'm trying to say.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #755: Oct 23, 2014 12:52:29 pm
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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #756: Oct 23, 2014 12:52:47 pm
      Two good wins against Basle and Ludo should be enough to see us through,
      Provided no silly mistakes!
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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #757: Oct 23, 2014 01:12:49 pm

      God bless I have to get over there and experience this before they plant me....gives me goose bumps everytime.  :kop5cf8koxp6:
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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #758: Oct 23, 2014 01:36:18 pm
      Balotelli was the most successful lone striker in Europe last season.

      Who are you comparing Mario to here?

      And out of curiosity, how many of Balotellis goals came from the spot kick? I genuinely don't know the answer?

      Because its clear to anybody he is crying out for another striker to play up alongside him at the moment, and he naturally won't score as many goals because Stevie takes our pens.



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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #759: Oct 23, 2014 02:13:05 pm
      Yes but what you failed to do is recognise that there are mitigating circumstances that are contributing (not causing) to their poor performances. Whilst they're in no way blameless, there's also the fact that Lovren has apparently never played on the left side of Centre Back and Balotelli is not, by any stretch of the imagination, the type of player that plays as a loan striker in our style of play. Therefore, with those mitigating circumstances considered, Brendan Rodgers also needs to take criticism for playing them in ways that doesn't get the best out of them. Then the owners need to take criticism for their seeming refusal to sanction high wages to a new signee which leads to a lower quality of player than we need to accomplish their ambitions for the club. Hence my saying there's a collective failure at our club from top to bottom; from the owners to the entire coaching staff to the players themselves. No one person is solely to blame for our troubles; all are to blame for our troubles. Or to put it more simply, it's six of one, half a dozen of the other but some people on here and certainly in the media are portraying Mario has the Devil incarnate, solely responsible for all our problems whilst everyone else is blameless and that's unfair.

      The thing is, I can excuse a player's poor form if he is doing the little things right. If balo was making unselfish runs, making himself available for his teammates, trying to get involved in the buildup, putting himself about to try and win 50/50's, and just showing some effort and desire in general, then I would be able to look past his lack of goals and assists and continue to support him. However, he hasn't done any of this in a Liverpool shirt. It's almost like he thinks he can just rely on his ability alone and that will make him a success. News flash - even the most talented players still have to work hard in order to be successful at the top level.

      To date, I haven't seen anything from the lad to make me think he has what it takes to play for LFC, and I don't see that changing. I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but I just don't see it happening....
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      Reply #760: Oct 23, 2014 02:16:49 pm
      Why are we playing without a striker in the 2nd half yesterday? Or was there one that I have missed?

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      Reply #761: Oct 23, 2014 04:46:52 pm
      Don't know what to say.

      Over a year now without the ability to defend.
      Was funny when Suarez and Sturridge were tearing teams apart.
      Not so much now.

      20 Million spent on a defender that's nowhere near Agger's level.
      Reina let leave for nothing. Mignolet's confidence through the floor.
      Johnson walking back into the first team.
      Gerrard still playing 3 games a week.

      WHY CAN WE NOT DEFEND SET PIECES?
      This has to be addressed surely.
      KEEP A FUCKING CLEAN SHEET, YOU CUNTS!

      EDIT:
      Can should have come on for Gerrard, not Coutinho.

      Game was finished mate thats why, sad that we had to set our sights on Hull rather than the second half.

      Though I'd like to see Can start a game soon.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #762: Oct 23, 2014 10:23:40 pm
      Sorry to disagree with you hardcoresoldiers, but he got it spot on. but we've not got a problem with the veterans, more the veterans telling us their views matter more because they've supported the club more, so that means they can spread damned lies about Brendan.

      For that they ARE being complete fuds.



      I have no problem at all with you disagreeing with me, that's what this forum is all about. I'm just asking you to understand how difficult it is for the older supporters to take. They've witnessed everything, pure class and European domination. We were the main men, the giants of the domestic game. To see what we are becoming is hard to take, our values are being stripped away by commercialism.

      I understand that this is the same for all football Clubs to a certain degree, but imagine how much harder it is to take for those supporters who have witnessed us from our growth under Shankly and onwards. The standards were set very high and any supporter who has been lucky enough to witness those times will undoubtedly be heartbroken to see where we are today.

      Even Gerrard acknowledged the massive expectations at Liverpool Football Club, he acknowledges the standards that previous managers and players have set. It's that history that sets that standard and that standard is what is expected of any player who pulls on that red shirt.

      I've followed Liverpool Football Club since i was 8 years old, that's 32 years, a hell of a long time. I've seen more bad times than good times but the standards i expect remain the same, those standards are based on our history.

      I'm just a puppy in terms of years supporting Liverpool, especially when compared to the older supporters on here. They have seen standards higher than i have so i understand their frustrations.

      Some of the younger supporters might not understand why we get so angry sometimes because they haven't witnessed the success that the older supporters have so their expectations may not be as high. I'm not saying that applies to everyone because we are all different.

      At the end of the day ( as well as getting dark ) we all support the same Club. We all have the same goals, to see Liverpool become the best again.
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      Reply #763: Oct 23, 2014 11:19:47 pm

      Leave it out mate there nothing I have posted which is untrue just because ya poster has a few more posts than another poster does not mean they are any wiser in their knowledge.

      Please point to a post anywhere in the forum where another poster has said their opinion is more valid than yours because they have more posts or have supported the Club longer than you have.



      In fact I have noticed the opposite these posters hardly ever contribute in what tactics or positional play would improve the team.

      It's always the same Brendan this and that and has now moved to Pascoe out..............FFS

      My point is either contribute something positively or don't bother ie our defence is poor so what change in tactics do you propose rather than the boring bring in Steve Clarke.......
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      Leave it out mate there nothing I have posted which is untrue just because ya poster has a few more posts than another poster does not mean they are any wiser in their knowledge.



      Please point me directly to any post in this forum where another poster has insinuated that his posts carry greater weight and meaning than yours because he has a superior post count or has supported the Club longer than you?



      In fact I have noticed the opposite these posters hardly ever contribute in what tactics or positional play would improve the team.

      Have a look around the forum, especially the Kop section. There are at least 40 to 50 'tactics and formation' topics in the thread. What does that tell you, possibly that certain posters are pretty f**king bored of repeating themselves over and over again in several topics which all have the same aim, to discuss tactics and formation?

      It's always the same Brendan this and that and has now moved to Pascoe out..............FFS

      I'm very happy you have brought this subject up. I most certainly have no problem with fellow supporters discussing how Brendan is struggling to adapt to life without Suarez and his lack of an answer to our defensive crisis, which may i add is putting it f**king lightly. Are these not subjects that we should be debating as concerned supporters, problems that are affecting our performances and results?

      I have to laugh at some of you, the minute somebody criticizes Brendan it means they don't support him? What a load of f**king childish bollocks. Brendan is currently experiencing problems and people are questioning him, as they should. Brendan is the manager of our Football Club and he is the leader, the one we look to for inspiration, the man to lead the way with his new philosophies.

      If some of us wish to question his decisions then that is our right as supporters. If you think i'm going to refrain from questioning Brendan over some of his decisions in case i get labelled as a heretic then you can do one. I can support Brendan and criticize him when things are going wrong, but i will also give him credit and praise when he gets things right.

      F**k me sideways, i'm glad some posters are debating it, because i am most certainly f**king concerned as to how we have turned to sh*t in the space of a few months. As for Pascoe. you'll find i am the only one who has called for him out, he does nothing and brings nothing to the table, except for that A4 folder that confuses the f**k out of him.

      Now seeing as you have brought this issue up, i would like you to tell me why i am wrong in wanting Pascoe out and you can also explain why he is such a good assistant manager? I've been asking this question for months and months and nobody has answered it, now it is your chance to tell me why.

      My point is either contribute something positively or don't bother ie our defence is poor so what change in tactics do you propose rather than the boring bring in Steve Clarke........

      Our defence is so f**king poor it is turning into a joke. It's not so much a change in tactics that is required, even though i find our pass at all costs strategy a little too daring at times when played from the back. It's more a change of staff. Nobody is capable of organising that defence, it's been getting worse for eighteen months now.

      Now then, i have tried my best to stay calm thought this post but f**k it. Are you f**king really that stupid? The 'boring bring in Steve Clarke', are you f**king real or what? How about because he did a f**king awesome job of tightening us up when he was here with Dalglish. How about because Mourinho saw him as an immense defensive tactician? How about because Chelsea kept him on when Mourinho left, such was his importance. How about because they initially refused his first resignation when he wanted to leave Chelsea, it most certainly wasn't because he was sh*te.

      Now if i had to choose between Colin Pascoe and Steve Clarke at this particular moment in time, it would be an absolute no brainer, in fact it would be a no brainer at any time.

      Clarke is an experienced defender who knows his stuff, especially when it comes to defending. Both Marsh and Pascoe were midfielders, you do the maths.

      I'm sorry if my reasons for wanting a defensive coach are boring you, i just thought that since our defence is absolutely fu**ed it might just be a good idea to bring somebody in who has a proven track record of improving defensive units. Now if that has to be explained to you then there is no f**king hope.

      Thank You.


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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #764: Oct 24, 2014 01:39:38 am
      The thing is that madrid team is very expensively put together. The most expensive in history. Yet I feel the have a soft centre. They don't have great characters in the team just players. We at some points after we stopped pressing, were in 1 straight line across our box. Our shape is abysmal some times, it's like we press and pass and move and then realise we've left half the ground undefended. Madrid were overloading down johnsons side naturally as he tends to go more. We should know this but who was helping down this side. Look at dortmund they harass they press they aren't richer than us but they keep getting results. Same with atletico. I feel we have the philosophy of pass and move and possession etc in place but we don't do it as a team. Having said that, you give us kroos and Varane and it would probably be a whole different story

      they were visibly superior to us.  the quickness and accuracy of their passing/ touches were there for all to see.  that first goal... not sure if we have two guys on our team that can do that combo together.  to have the vision (maybe cou/sterling) and then the ability to pull it off... with someone like Ronaldo fending off a defender to put it top corner other side of the keeper is just amazing.

      lets be honest here folks.. the way we are playing our games these days.. we have about 15ish players that actually see meaningful gametime.  yet we paid top dollar for like 20-23 players... if we took the transfer fees of the extra players.... we would have the money to buy more or closer to world class players

      just a thought
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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #765: Oct 24, 2014 03:24:16 am
      they were visibly superior to us.  the quickness and accuracy of their passing/ touches were there for all to see.  that first goal... not sure if we have two guys on our team that can do that combo together.  to have the vision (maybe cou/sterling) and then the ability to pull it off... with someone like Ronaldo fending off a defender to put it top corner other side of the keeper is just amazing.

      lets be honest here folks.. the way we are playing our games these days.. we have about 15ish players that actually see meaningful gametime.  yet we paid top dollar for like 20-23 players... if we took the transfer fees of the extra players.... we would have the money to buy more or closer to world class players

      just a thought

      It's more than just transfer fees.

      Madrid pay top wages.
      Have market exposure that get their stars more money and bonuses.
      Have more money to spend on club infrastructure; medical, fitness etc.

      We paid 26 for Lallana, they paid 20 for Kroos. Kroos however was never coming to us so we can't compare the two deals. Torres, Suarez, Alonso we got them before they moved to Barca, Real, Chelsea etc not the other way round. We can't pick and choose like Madrid do. We need to keep going along the lines of the academy and picking up Sterlings or Lallana's or COutinho's and reinvest that money when and if they leave,WITHOUT becoming a feeder club like Ajax or Everton.

      Secondly, need to address the issue of our defensive shape. It's not enough to press to get possession because we don't keep possession like Barca used to. Our shape w is sometimes so bad it looks like under 8's. It's ok when you are attacking or winning but when good teams play us we will be punished. I think Brendan can fix this, he is willing to adapt but we need to get moving. Sterling, Lallana, Coutinho and Sturridge are great. We need to compliment them with another top CM and a top defender or two. Most of all we need to sort out our tactical awareness without the ball.
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      Reply #766: Oct 24, 2014 06:34:41 am
      It's more than just transfer fees.

      Madrid pay top wages.
      Have market exposure that get their stars more money and bonuses.
      Have more money to spend on club infrastructure; medical, fitness etc.

      We paid 26 for Lallana, they paid 20 for Kroos. Kroos however was never coming to us so we can't compare the two deals. Torres, Suarez, Alonso we got them before they moved to Barca, Real, Chelsea etc not the other way round. We can't pick and choose like Madrid do. We need to keep going along the lines of the academy and picking up Sterlings or Lallana's or COutinho's and reinvest that money when and if they leave,WITHOUT becoming a feeder club like Ajax or Everton.

      Secondly, need to address the issue of our defensive shape. It's not enough to press to get possession because we don't keep possession like Barca used to. Our shape w is sometimes so bad it looks like under 8's. It's ok when you are attacking or winning but when good teams play us we will be punished. I think Brendan can fix this, he is willing to adapt but we need to get moving. Sterling, Lallana, Coutinho and Sturridge are great. We need to compliment them with another top CM and a top defender or two. Most of all we need to sort out our tactical awareness without the ball.

      agree on the salary.  but much like transfer fees... the weekly wages we pay the chronic bench warmerscould go towards the salary of a top player.forget Suarez's amazing scoring talent.. what I have said time and time again is his ability to play every single game in the same season at a world class level.  imo... suarez is like 2 players with what he can handle in terms of workload. 

      but yes, we need to get in better players.  top players like to play with top players.  a group of top players together makes a top team.  if we don't start bringing in proven quality, the likes of sterling will leave us... we will become a feeder club
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      Reply #767: Oct 24, 2014 06:44:26 am
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      March 2009, Liverpool beat Real Madrid 4-0. That summer, Real signed Ronaldo and Benzema. Liverpool signed Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani

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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #768: Oct 24, 2014 07:46:49 am
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      March 2009, Liverpool beat Real Madrid 4-0. That summer, Real signed Ronaldo and Benzema. Liverpool signed Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani


      Definitely enough said, worth a plus that.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #769: Oct 24, 2014 08:25:20 am
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      March 2009, Liverpool beat Real Madrid 4-0. That summer, Real signed Ronaldo and Benzema. Liverpool signed Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani


      Sums it up perfectly doesn't it
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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #770: Oct 24, 2014 02:57:38 pm
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      March 2009, Liverpool beat Real Madrid 4-0. That summer, Real signed Ronaldo and Benzema. Liverpool signed Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani


      Damn.... we have wasted so much money since 2009 we couldve bought ronaldo and benzema many times over. 

      rather have a ferrari than a fleet of honda civics...
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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #771: Oct 24, 2014 09:29:12 pm
      If only the game lasted 15 minutes!

      Why could we not continue the high tempo pressing game beyond 15 minutes, that was the only way we were going to get anything last night.


      Yep we stopped at the 15 minute mark and I think it was when that c**t of a Ref stopped play so that Rodgriguez fella could change his fkn shirt because of the blood on it. When has a game stopped to let that happen, ever?

      We seemed to fall asleep after that and lost all momentum.

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      Re: Liverpool 0-3 Real Madrid: In game and Post Match Disappointment
      Reply #772: Oct 24, 2014 09:40:30 pm
      Damn.... we have wasted so much money since 2009 we couldve bought ronaldo and benzema many times over. 

      rather have a ferrari than a fleet of honda civics...

      Gérard Houllier had the chance to sign Ronaldo and Ricardo Quaresma for 12mil and said no, oh well that life!!
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      Reply #773: Oct 24, 2014 09:49:50 pm
      Gérard Houllier had the chance to sign Ronaldo and Ricardo Quaresma for 12mil and said no, oh well that life!!

      I think it was Rik Parry that said no he thought it was too much for a young player.Doubt if he would have sanctioned Markovitch for £25mil
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      Reply #774: Oct 24, 2014 10:13:44 pm
      12 mil for 2 players of their quality

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