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      Is The NHS Dead And Buried

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      stuey
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      Is The NHS Dead And Buried
      Dec 10, 2014 06:43:33 am
      Private firms awarded third of NHS contracts
      A third of NHS contracts have been awarded to the private sector since the service was ''reorganised'' in 2013 figures suggest.
      The data  comes a freedom of information act made by the British Medical Journal.
      Of 3,494 contracts awarded by 182 Clinical Commission Groups in England between April 2013 and August 2014 33% went to the private sector.
      The government say the figures are misleading.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30397329


      Privatisation by stealth??
      That's a f**king laugh!
      Stealthy as a f**king riot squad.

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      Reply #1: Dec 10, 2014 07:40:19 am
      And shock, horror all the other parties have sat and been good boys and girls whilst it's been happening. Make me laugh the lot of the fuckers, Russell Brands spot on when he says the days of trusting politicians is over.

      A quality investigative journalist would eventually find out that the owners of 99% of the companies that have been awarded those contracts will be owned by politicians or their relatives. Raiding the coffers of the public purse again.

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      Reply #2: Dec 10, 2014 10:25:54 am
      Defund.

      Allow to erode.

      Privatise.

      Get ready for American style private medical care.
      I really feel for the poor, old & vulnerable once the NHS is fully privatised.
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      Reply #3: Dec 10, 2014 02:36:46 pm
      I have worked in the NHS for 30 years.

      Porters
      Cleaners
      Catering
      HR
      Security
      Beds
      Mattress'

      All in the hands of private companies.

      I'm sure there is more. Used to be a great place to work, now it's sh*te.
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      Reply #4: Dec 10, 2014 04:37:26 pm
      I have worked in the NHS for 30 years.

      Porters
      Cleaners
      Catering
      HR
      Security
      Beds
      Mattress'

      All in the hands of private companies.

      I'm sure there is more. Used to be a great place to work, now it's sh*te.


      If you have the misfortune to have to stay in hospital for a few days, and unless you are chronically sick or near death's door a few days is relatively unachievable, the attitude of the staff jumps out.
      The agency staff are factory workers without machines, the nursing section are overworked and hideously under-rewarded for their sterling work, their employers cynically taking advantage of their conscientiousness; as with other industries privatisation divides unions and their influence is diluted.
      Taking us back to the middle ages with regard to workers rights


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      Reply #5: Dec 10, 2014 04:43:32 pm
      If you have the misfortune to have to stay in hospital for a few days, and unless you are chronically sick or near death's door a few days is relatively unachievable, the attitude of the staff jumps out.
      The agency staff are factory workers without machines, the nursing section are overworked and hideously under-rewarded for their sterling work, their employers cynically taking advantage of their conscientiousness; as with other industries privatisation divides unions and their influence is diluted.
      Taking us back to the middle ages with regard to workers rights

      Some staff are fantastic, some I am embarrassed to be associated with.
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      Reply #6: Dec 10, 2014 04:52:50 pm
      Some staff are fantastic, some I am embarrassed to be associated with.

      That can apply to matrons right through to a porter or somebody giving out breakfasts mate as I'm sure you can testify.
      You can sense the pressure people are working under.
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      Reply #7: Dec 10, 2014 04:59:48 pm
      That can apply to matrons right through to a porter or somebody giving out breakfasts mate as I'm sure you can testify.
      You can sense the pressure people are working under.

      Tell me about it.

      But a thank-you is free and you don't actually have to mean it.
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      Reply #8: Dec 10, 2014 06:31:24 pm

      But a thank-you is free and you don't actually have to mean it.



      I wouldn't be here now if it were not for the dedication of the staff at Walton Neurological depts.
      For that reason I am always grateful to the NHS and despise these cynical politics that are dismantling a noble institution.
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      Reply #9: Dec 10, 2014 07:26:12 pm
      Mate of mine owns a McDonald's franchise and he used to give all Police free food whenever they came in. The franchise was in Manchester and no kidding it got so bad that cops from Merseyside and Lancs got wind and used to decend on the place so it got ridiculous and untenable.

      My point same with NHS it's a drain on the country now and I for one would support independent insurance similar to the German model in that you need to pay for medical treatment. NHS was great when it was first created sadly it's been abused and the honest tax payer is taking the brunt.
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      Reply #10: Dec 16, 2014 10:09:14 am
      I wonder if they attitude of the staff is related to the attitude of some patients. Lets face it being courteous works both ways. Had a lot of time in hospitals just lately and I find the staff on a one to one basis no problem at all the care and treatment is not the problem its the afterwards .My old mate who is 85 waited 5 hours for transport home only to be told at 6pm he would have to make his own way home that's not down to money it bad planning bad management
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      Reply #11: Jan 09, 2015 11:25:43 pm
      Having worked in the NHS I feel I can comment on all of this.

      1. It was a mistake closing walk-in centres. It was a mistake closing the 111 service. 

      2. It's a mistake reducing social care for the elderly.  The majority of elderly patients in our hospitals should not be there.  Hospitals are there for the very sick, those who need treatment and those recovering from treatment.  Hospitals are not there because an old lady can't go home because she can't walk up the stairs, or cook her own meals, or wash herself.  Doctors and medical nurses are of no help in this situation.  They need people to help them out in situations away from a hospital - obvious yes - not for the Government.

      3. The NHS, despite costing ┬ú100bn is actually an extremely efficient service for the 65m people's health it looks after.  I read that it costs about 9% of our GDP or tax take, can't remember exactly, but it compared to the low teens in Europe and about 18% in the USA.  Basically we get it cheap.  Instead of arguing about a billion here or there we should be prepared to pay for it.  I refuse to believe that it isn't worth an extra 1 or 2p in tax.  The past 15 years in the UK have seen substantial decreases in both corporation tax and personal income tax rates.  Ultimately some things are worth paying for.
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      Reply #12: Jan 11, 2015 12:30:57 am
      Fortunately for once the Tory bas**rds are not to blame but the hero of the champagne socialists Tony Blair who thought the free market should be allowed to pilfer the most profitable bits of the NHS.

      No great surprise when it all goes tits up trying to squeeze profits out of chronically ill patients.
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      Reply #13: Jan 11, 2015 12:42:04 am
      Call me controversial, the Welsh NHS is doing significantly worse than the English NHS, and the Welsh NHS is run by Labour while the English NHS is run by the Conservatives.

      I do agree that walk-in centres closing have been a massive mistake, which needs to be rectified as soon as possible.

      And in the OP, there's only been a 1% increase in private medical spending from the government.

      And US style medical care is not the worst thing in the world, they beat us quite significantly when it comes to care in cancer.
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      Reply #14: Jan 11, 2015 12:53:59 am
      I know it's meant to be for all, but some things should not be covered by the NHS or at the very least should incur a charge.  The last time I was in A&E, 60%+ were there with self inflicted injuries due to substance abuse.  I hear that's not uncommon.  We have options, the law already states you shouldn't serve someone who is obviously 3 sheets to the wind, so you charge the pubs, clubs or individual.  As for drugs, it's about time a lot of them were legalised, taxed & regulated.  Customers can be warned of the risks and have no recourse for action.  And I don't care what it's doing to your self-esteem, cosmetic surgery, excluding birth defects and those caused by injury, should not be available on the NHS. 
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      Reply #15: Jan 11, 2015 08:17:19 pm
      I know it's meant to be for all, but some things should not be covered by the NHS or at the very least should incur a charge.  The last time I was in A&E, 60%+ were there with self inflicted injuries due to substance abuse.  I hear that's not uncommon.  We have options, the law already states you shouldn't serve someone who is obviously 3 sheets to the wind, so you charge the pubs, clubs or individual.  As for drugs, it's about time a lot of them were legalised, taxed & regulated.  Customers can be warned of the risks and have no recourse for action.  And I don't care what it's doing to your self-esteem, cosmetic surgery, excluding birth defects and those caused by injury, should not be available on the NHS.

      Is it really that simple?.
      What about people injured playing sport? They know the risks f**k em.

      Fat people.. F**k Em.

      Adrenalin junkies..F**k em.

      Smokers.. F**k em.

      Unemployed not paying into system.. F**k em.

      Immigrants who haven't contributed.. F**k em.

      I could go on and on each having their own reasons why and why not the should be treated, NHS is untenable.
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      Reply #16: Jan 18, 2015 02:43:21 pm
      Is it really that simple?.
      What about people injured playing sport? They know the risks f**k em.

      Fat people.. F**k Em.

      Adrenalin junkies..F**k em.

      Smokers.. F**k em.

      Unemployed not paying into system.. F**k em.

      Immigrants who haven't contributed.. F**k em.

      I could go on and on each having their own reasons why and why not the should be treated, NHS is untenable.

      You're one little horrible tory, right-wing c**t, aren't yer.

      The NHS is one of this countries greatest achievements and has been allowed to go the way it's gone since at least the mid-80s when the shitbag tory cu*ts started trying to privatise it then and got their own way with the creation of the quango NHS Trusts!!
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      Reply #17: Jan 18, 2015 02:45:00 pm
      Fortunately for once the Tory bas**rds are not to blame but the hero of the champagne socialists Tony Blair who thought the free market should be allowed to pilfer the most profitable bits of the NHS.

      No great surprise when it all goes tits up trying to squeeze profits out of chronically ill patients.

      Oh yes they f**king are, plans were put in place before Blair was ever in power, the tories set about wanting to privatise the NHS from the 80s onwards. That's a f**king FACT!
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      Reply #18: Jan 18, 2015 04:59:29 pm
      The NHS and social services are on the same demolition list as the unions in the Tory manifesto.
      As the general election approaches they conceal their elitist agenda and blame everything including the weather for the communal calamity that grips the country.
      Conservative financial acumen would right the economic ills they claim were caused by Labour!?!?
      Their lies are illustrated with the country's finances being in a worse state now than when the ConDem alliance formed a minority government.
      The f**king witch is alive and well, the ConDems divide their own parties and the electorate to stay in power.
      Their true supporters are the aristocracy, pretentious idiots and the mentally challenged.
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      Reply #19: Jan 18, 2015 06:53:11 pm
      You're one little horrible tory, right-wing c**t, aren't yer.

      The NHS is one of this countries greatest achievements and has been allowed to go the way it's gone since at least the mid-80s when the shitbag tory cu*ts started trying to privatise it then and got their own way with the creation of the quango NHS Trusts!!

      Actually Mr Parody, I've ( when i have voted ) have always been labour but stop voting when both lines became so blurred voting for either party meant the same thing. Yes the NHS was one of the countries greatest achievements but if you cannot see that every party in chrge has killed it for different reasons no real point debating.

      I have diagnosed you with tourettes of the fingers, being the first ever recorded case its been labelled Huytons disease.
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      Reply #20: Jan 18, 2015 07:29:32 pm
      Actually Mr Parody, I've ( when i have voted ) have always been labour but stop voting when both lines became so blurred voting for either party meant the same thing. Yes the NHS was one of the countries greatest achievements but if you cannot see that every party in chrge has killed it for different reasons no real point debating.

      I have diagnosed you with tourettes of the fingers, being the first ever recorded case its been labelled Huytons disease.

      Not having that, especially not after your various rants about "leftists" and your love of all things farage.

      Right winger to the core.
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      Reply #21: Jan 18, 2015 07:50:00 pm
      Not having that, especially not after your various rants about "leftists" and your love of all things farage.

      Right winger to the core.

      Guess thats why the Govt is failing the people then, they dont realise that someone dragged up in a council house on the worst side of town can have views similar to as you put it ( leftists ). But if you break it down are EDL supporters Leftists, now theres a strange one to comprehend maybe the majority of the country have the same views on immigration they just get shot down by people affraid to speak their true feelings.
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      Reply #22: Jan 19, 2015 06:45:11 am
      Right = Bad

      Left = Good

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      Reply #23: Jan 19, 2015 10:35:07 am
      Guess thats why the Govt is failing the people then, they dont realise that someone dragged up in a council house on the worst side of town can have views similar to as you put it ( leftists ). But if you break it down are EDL supporters Leftists, now theres a strange one to comprehend maybe the majority of the country have the same views on immigration they just get shot down by people affraid to speak their true feelings.

      Don't know from where you originate but obviously it is not an area that is the subject of spending cuts, poverty levels and a Tory punch-bag since the year f**king dot.
      Your earlier reply to HR in which Huyton (read Liverpool) is associated with Tourettes syndrome for the most obscure reason, also gives an insight into a mind set that pigeon holes people, communities and cities as the Tories have done once again from the year f**king dot. This serves a dual role for the elitists in giving their harshest policies a foothold and causing division amongst the electorate.

      There are obviously only a minority that have the luxury of being able to vote Tory and then there are those with delusions of grandeur that toe the line. 
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      Reply #24: Jan 19, 2015 10:54:03 am
      Stuey, labour are not doing that great with NHS Wales at the moment either. They're in even more of a crises than NHS England (or Scotland).

      I don't see either of the two parties being the solution, espeically not Ed Miliband and his group of numpties or the conservatives.

      But labour have not provided any solutions for the NHS, and if they did; why are they not implementing them in Wales? Which is the worst NHS area by a good distance.

      In fact, the only thing Labour can do it bang on about energy prices.

      Oh, and labour (if they win) will also make significant cuts into oublic services.

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