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      stuey
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      Re: Is The NHS Dead And Buried
      Reply #125: Nov 15, 2016 05:23:47 pm
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      Reply #126: Nov 15, 2016 05:33:17 pm
      You really do not know what you are talking about.

      The NHS is FREE at the point of service, you pay NOTHING, irrespective of your colour, background, creed, height or IQ.

      I have worked in the NHS all my working life, 32yrs and I have seen the privitisation of  ancillary services, and those services are dreadful.

      Meals are frozen and defrosted at meal times, we used to have a kitchen and chef, so pt's or staff could get a meal at any time, now we have vending machines, linen services are out sourced, so when you run out, that's it, because the laundry is 20 miles away, and closed out of hours, Portering numbers are at a minimum so you wait an age, thus delaying procedures. I could go on here.

      The government are obsessed with targets, thus the need for shitty IT services that either don't work, or are incompatible with other systems, paperless is the aim, that's is a nightmare, how do you do assessments with no iPad, wifi? the obsession with monitoring the staff and the care delivered, is impractical. The money given to the NHS to implement IT is obscene, and wasted, BUT this is not the NHS's fault, it's the government's obsession with data, and going for the cheapest option.

      Incompetent GP's, do you have any idea of their workload? The constant drones of fuckwits who can't cope, or want antibiotics for a virus, sole destroying.

      Consultant's covering there own arse, do you blame them, when a fat f**ker, who does f**k all, smokes, eats sh*t with early onset diabetes, expects to recover without any issues sues because their wound did not heal, but they still manage to go for a smoke with all the other patients, swapping infections.

      Would you expect a 1970 Ford Capri, to be able to perform like a 2016 Bugatti? No, well why should the NHS get blamed when, Jonny smack head does not recover?

      If Privitisation is so f**king great, why are there NO PRIVATE AED's? Why, when the private sector fucks up, do they call on the NHS to bail them out? and who pays? The private sector? NO the f**king NHS.

      You have no problem with privatisation of the NHS? Wait 'til for your insurance runs out, and then wait for the bailiffs.

      You have no idea.

      Sorry but every country in Europe has a free health service, what makes the NHS so special? BTW I think there are private AED's actually, if not it can't be long, I'd certainly pay to go to one rather than wait 4 hours to be seen.

      I also disagree that it is not funded enough, the bigger problem I think is how it is run, something the Tories are trying to fix, badly but at least they are trying rather than Labour who just throw money at any issue.

      Anyway congratulations on your long service in the NHS, I really do take my hat off to you and all your colleagues who do a great job, with the exception of most of the GP's and consultants I have come across in the last few years.


      Final point I can't wait for this bloody international break to be over so we can get back to discussing football rather than politics!!
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      Reply #127: Nov 15, 2016 05:36:20 pm
      Just wasted some valuable time RP, the moron does not even live in the UK.
      He has no comprehension of the issues confronting the NHS and a government committed to a policy of stripping it to the bare bones.
      The fool thinks he can enlighten those who use the service and unbelievably would argue with someone who has inside knowledge such as yourself.
      Had him on ignore for years being the insult to the intelligence that he is.

      Why do you keep peddling this lie that I don't live in the UK, mods feel free to trace my IP for confirmation. I live in Cambridge, UK and unfortunately have to use the NHS occasionally, but luckily I'm financially able to consult private doctors for second opinions and thank God I can.
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      Reply #128: Nov 15, 2016 05:37:08 pm
      Then why ''waste'' your vote, get behind the demonization source of the Daily Fail and suchlike rags and vote for Thatcher Mk 2.

      because I like Corbyns policies, I don't go in for personalities. Your views seem to swing right and left and don't seem to have any logic to them, you don't want people to vote for Corbyn because you don't like him so the Tories can get in again, you don't seem to like the Labour policies and yet you are against the "elite", you can't have it both ways? either you are Labour, Conservative or some other, maybe you would like Theresa May to switch to Labour or something, very confusing. Me, I,m a socialist for the best part and have always believed in a fair society, quite simple really.
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      Reply #129: Nov 15, 2016 05:46:44 pm
      because I like Corbyns policies, I don't go in for personalities. Your views seem to swing right and left and don't seem to have any logic to them, you don't want people to vote for Corbyn because you don't like him so the Tories can get in again, you don't seem to like the Labour policies and yet you are against the "elite", you can't have it both ways? either you are Labour, Conservative or some other, maybe you would like Theresa May to switch to Labour or something, very confusing. Me, I,m a socialist for the best part and have always believed in a fair society, quite simple really.

      I realise that Labour at the moment is socialist, or at least the leadership is, but why is there no proper socialist party in the UK, its kind of weird it doesn't exist in my opinion when almost all other European countries have that in addition to a Labour party. If Labour do now lurch to the left which looks likely then who will fill the juicy middle ground, certainly not the Liberals who are irrelevant so I guess the Conservatives will stretch themselves all the way from center left to right, which will be very interesting in itself. One thing is for sure, with Corbyn in power the Conservatives will be able to do whatever they want for the next decade.
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      Reply #130: Nov 15, 2016 05:50:11 pm
      One thing is for sure, with Corbyn in power the Conservatives will be able to do whatever they want for the next decade.

      Actually think that's more down to the shift of politics in Scotland than anything to do with Corbyn, though Corbyn does seem to get blamed for wet weather in Wales at present.
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      Reply #131: Nov 15, 2016 06:00:59 pm
      I realise that Labour at the moment is socialist, or at least the leadership is, but why is there no proper socialist party in the UK, its kind of weird it doesn't exist in my opinion when almost all other European countries have that in addition to a Labour party. If Labour do now lurch to the left which looks likely then who will fill the juicy middle ground, certainly not the Liberals who are irrelevant so I guess the Conservatives will stretch themselves all the way from center left to right, which will be very interesting in itself. One thing is for sure, with Corbyn in power the Conservatives will be able to do whatever they want for the next decade.

      Thatcher made socialism a dirty word so to get in power without socialist policies new Labour was born, it's now got back to grass roots near enough but there are voters out there who have never experienced a socialist government, and people fear what they don't understand so they either need educating by Labour getting the message across or they find out themselves. I think some underestimate the climate out there and once an election is called we will see the shift over to Corbyn. Time will tell.
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      Reply #132: Nov 15, 2016 06:26:34 pm
      I realise that Labour at the moment is socialist, or at least the leadership is, but why is there no proper socialist party in the UK, its kind of weird it doesn't exist in my opinion when almost all other European countries have that in addition to a Labour party. If Labour do now lurch to the left which looks likely then who will fill the juicy middle ground, certainly not the Liberals who are irrelevant so I guess the Conservatives will stretch themselves all the way from center left to right, which will be very interesting in itself. One thing is for sure, with Corbyn in power the Conservatives will be able to do whatever they want for the next decade.

      If Corbyn can win a general election without projecting the fear of immigration that seems to have become predominant in British politics then it would be a fine victory. If an election were held tomorrow however he'd have no chance. In a few years? Who knows. The SNP won't keep up their united front for so long so it gives him an opportunity in Scotland. Then again, the Tories have bounced back here and are now the official opposition under Ruth Davidson after making inroads in the once Tory lands that they used to dominate. Move across the border and you see how he'll have to win back some voters who turned to UKIP. And then he'd have to win the swing voters in middle England which Labour haven't won since the early-mid 00s which is probably his biggest stumbling point. But who knows what will happen? The political tectonic plates are moving a lot these past couple of years. He'd need a big economic crash of which Theresa May is directly culpable with her pithy efforts  to make any inroads I feel. He'd also need to communicate better outside of his own support base. He actually gave a decent speech as Labour leader a few weeks back at the party conference but aside from that his efforts at communicating beyond have been trite, not helped by his infantile director of communications Seamus Milne.
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      Reply #133: Nov 15, 2016 06:38:45 pm
      Sorry but every country in Europe has a free health service, what makes the NHS so special? BTW I think there are private AED's actually, if not it can't be long, I'd certainly pay to go to one rather than wait 4 hours to be seen.

      I also disagree that it is not funded enough, the bigger problem I think is how it is run, something the Tories are trying to fix, badly but at least they are trying rather than Labour who just throw money at any issue.

      Anyway congratulations on your long service in the NHS, I really do take my hat off to you and all your colleagues who do a great job, with the exception of most of the GP's and consultants I have come across in the last few years.


      Final point I can't wait for this bloody international break to be over so we can get back to discussing football rather than politics!!

      You're from Norway aren't you? What do you make of your social security system there. It's always held up as the gold standard of welfare states but I guess that helps given it's relatively small population and large reserves of oil which was cleverly invested!
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      Re: Is The NHS Dead And Buried
      Reply #134: Nov 15, 2016 07:54:35 pm
      Sorry but every country in Europe has a free health service, what makes the NHS so special? BTW I think there are private AED's actually, if not it can't be long, I'd certainly pay to go to one rather than wait 4 hours to be seen.

      I also disagree that it is not funded enough, the bigger problem I think is how it is run, something the Tories are trying to fix, badly but at least they are trying rather than Labour who just throw money at any issue.

      Anyway congratulations on your long service in the NHS, I really do take my hat off to you and all your colleagues who do a great job, with the exception of most of the GP's and consultants I have come across in the last few years.


      Final point I can't wait for this bloody international break to be over so we can get back to discussing football rather than politics!!

      There are no private AED's in this country, and won't be for the foreseeable future, if at all. There is no profit to be made. A very high cost, with little chance of a making any money. An ITU bed is over £1000 a day, not including any staff, treatment drugs etc.
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      Re: Is The NHS Dead And Buried
      Reply #135: Nov 15, 2016 08:54:29 pm
      because I like Corbyns policies, I don't go in for personalities. Your views seem to swing right and left and don't seem to have any logic to them, you don't want people to vote for Corbyn because you don't like him so the Tories can get in again, you don't seem to like the Labour policies and yet you are against the "elite", you can't have it both ways? either you are Labour, Conservative or some other, maybe you would like Theresa May to switch to Labour or something, very confusing. Me, I,m a socialist for the best part and have always believed in a fair society, quite simple really.

      I fail to see how anyone can interpret my political leanings as right wing, in your case it must be assumed that in the light of your hard left aspiration you regard anyone with moderate Labour beliefs as a Thatcher worshipper.
      Over the years there have been many representations of Labour doctrine, some more feasible than others, in a socialist fantasy election Corbyn and his hard left policies would win the day, in the real world they are dated and unelectable.

      The man you demonise who was PM for 10 years did enjoy success for a good part of his tenure with policies acceptable to the majority, like Blair or loathe him he did keep the parasites out of the equation for 2 decades.
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      Re: Is The NHS Dead And Buried
      Reply #136: Nov 23, 2016 09:46:24 pm
      If you want Private Health Care, this is what you are condoning.

      Wood-selling US man, 80, inspires thousands
      An online campaign to raise money for a US man trying to pay his late wife's medical bills by selling wood on the side of the road has raised almost $20,000 (£16,136) in just three days.


      Kenneth Smith, 80, spends hours a day standing on the roadside in Mississippi, selling bags of kindling.

      Last year, he was joined by Helen, his wife of more than 30 years, as they struggled to pay her medical expenses.
      After she died in October Mr Smith was left to raise the money by himself.

      Her two-year battle with lung cancer not only took large chunks of their monthly income, but also wiped out their savings.
      But then Jessica Pittman spotted the elderly gentleman's mark of respect for a passing funeral cortege - taking his straw hat off as it passed - and she decided to act.

      "My heart breaks every time I pass him," Ms Pittman wrote in a Facebook post which has since been shared 9,000 times as she appealed for people to go and buy a bag from Mr Smith.

      'We live in a good country'

      But they went one step further.
      A GoFundMe page was set up by Mr Smith's son, Leslie, to help with the expenses, with donations flooding in from as far afield as Australia.

      Ms Pittman told the BBC that she posted the photo "just thinking it would prompt some of my neighbours to stop and buy some wood to help him".

      She said she had "no clue" the response would be so overwhelming.

      "Although it will not lessen the heartache of losing his wife, I am thankful it will at least take a little worry off of his plate and help him make ends meet," she said.

      Ms Pittman said that she lives close to where Mr Smith parks to sell his kindling wood and passed him nearly every day.
      "He was always kind and so respectful," she said.

      On the occasion of the funeral, police had stopped traffic for the procession.

      "I saw Mr Smith standing there in his usual overalls and straw hat. He was standing to attention with his straw hat over his heart.

      It really moved me... it was an honour to witness. I felt overwhelmed with emotion and even had a few tears."

      As for Mr Smith, he too admits he has been "overwhelmed" with the response.

      "It makes me think that we live in a good country and this is part of it," he told WLOX.
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38081732
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      Re: Is The NHS Dead And Buried
      Reply #137: Nov 23, 2016 09:52:41 pm
      If you want Private Health Care, this is what you are condoning.

      Wood-selling US man, 80, inspires thousands
      An online campaign to raise money for a US man trying to pay his late wife's medical bills by selling wood on the side of the road has raised almost $20,000 (£16,136) in just three days.


      Kenneth Smith, 80, spends hours a day standing on the roadside in Mississippi, selling bags of kindling.

      Last year, he was joined by Helen, his wife of more than 30 years, as they struggled to pay her medical expenses.
      After she died in October Mr Smith was left to raise the money by himself.

      Her two-year battle with lung cancer not only took large chunks of their monthly income, but also wiped out their savings.
      But then Jessica Pittman spotted the elderly gentleman's mark of respect for a passing funeral cortege - taking his straw hat off as it passed - and she decided to act.

      "My heart breaks every time I pass him," Ms Pittman wrote in a Facebook post which has since been shared 9,000 times as she appealed for people to go and buy a bag from Mr Smith.

      'We live in a good country'

      But they went one step further.
      A GoFundMe page was set up by Mr Smith's son, Leslie, to help with the expenses, with donations flooding in from as far afield as Australia.

      Ms Pittman told the BBC that she posted the photo "just thinking it would prompt some of my neighbours to stop and buy some wood to help him".

      She said she had "no clue" the response would be so overwhelming.

      "Although it will not lessen the heartache of losing his wife, I am thankful it will at least take a little worry off of his plate and help him make ends meet," she said.

      Ms Pittman said that she lives close to where Mr Smith parks to sell his kindling wood and passed him nearly every day.
      "He was always kind and so respectful," she said.

      On the occasion of the funeral, police had stopped traffic for the procession.

      "I saw Mr Smith standing there in his usual overalls and straw hat. He was standing to attention with his straw hat over his heart.

      It really moved me... it was an honour to witness. I felt overwhelmed with emotion and even had a few tears."

      As for Mr Smith, he too admits he has been "overwhelmed" with the response.

      "It makes me think that we live in a good country and this is part of it," he told WLOX.
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38081732
      Thank God for human charity, who needs the state looking after its most vulnerable, you can't beat the human spirit for someone begging on the side of the road to save his wife's life esp more so in the worlds richest country!!

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      Re: Is The NHS Dead And Buried
      Reply #138: Nov 24, 2016 08:49:33 am
      You're from Norway aren't you? What do you make of your social security system there. It's always held up as the gold standard of welfare states but I guess that helps given it's relatively small population and large reserves of oil which was cleverly invested!

      Hi, to be honest I think Norway's system is far to generous and encourages sloth. For example in Norway its perfectly possible to be on the dole and still go on a couple of holidays a year and the rules for sickness benefit are absurd with office workers regularly taking half a year paid leave from work for a slightly bad back. The only reason Norway can get away with all that is because of the huge oil revenues but its breeding a generation of people who have never had to work hard for anything in life and that's very dangerous. On the other hand the US system is to brutal with hardly any safety net. I honestly think the mix that the UK has between Welfare state and economy at large is about right.
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      Reply #139: Nov 24, 2016 02:40:32 pm
      Hi, to be honest I think Norway's system is far to generous and encourages sloth. For example in Norway its perfectly possible to be on the dole and still go on a couple of holidays a year and the rules for sickness benefit are absurd with office workers regularly taking half a year paid leave from work for a slightly bad back. The only reason Norway can get away with all that is because of the huge oil revenues but its breeding a generation of people who have never had to work hard for anything in life and that's very dangerous. On the other hand the US system is to brutal with hardly any safety net. I honestly think the mix that the UK has between Welfare state and economy at large is about right.

      You do understand that the myth of "sloth" from a generous benefits system is just that?
      A myth.

      There has never been anything to back up this absurd claim, other than the right wing view that all social benefits are bad.
      Like the tories here in the election campaign, and after, of 2010, telling people fo 3 generations in the same family who'd never worked.
      Turns out they couldn't find a single case.
      Not one.

      So please, save your bile for the BNP meetings.
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      Reply #140: Nov 24, 2016 03:52:05 pm
      You do understand that the myth of "sloth" from a generous benefits system is just that?
      A myth.

      There has never been anything to back up this absurd claim, other than the right wing view that all social benefits are bad.
      Like the tories here in the election campaign, and after, of 2010, telling people fo 3 generations in the same family who'd never worked.
      Turns out they couldn't find a single case.
      Not one.

      So please, save your bile for the BNP meetings.

      Sorry Didn't realise you'd visited Norway and conducted and in depth survey on this! I on the other hand lived and worked there and had several colleagues take the complete piss in terms of sick days etc and the company was powerless to intervene as they were protected by the state. Believe me sloth in Norway is no joke, it's now 3rd generation who are completely dependent on this safety net provided by oil revenues. I'm ashamed to say that even some of my relatives take the piss in this regard.
      As for the UK it's a totally different story, some do scrounge off the benefits system but much less as it's in no way profitable, it's always better here to work which is good for everyone.
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      Reply #141: Jan 20, 2017 09:33:06 am
      The index, produced by a Sweden-based private company of health analysts called Health Consumer Powerhouse, ranked the Netherlands as the best-performing health system of the 35. After assessing each one by 48 different criteria, it gave the Netherlands 916 points. Switzerland was a close second on 894 points and Norway third on 854. The UK was ranked 14th, with 736 points.

      The report points out that in the 11 years in which it has been assessing European countries, “the UK healthcare system has never made it into the top 10 of the ECHI, mainly due to poor accessibility – together with Poland and Sweden the worst among European healthcare systems – and an autocratic top-down management culture.”

      The ECHI also claims that so-called Bismarck health systems, based on citizens taking out insurance from a range of providers that do not provide healthcare, delivers much better results than “Beveridge systems” like the NHS has been since its inception in 1948, were one body funds and provides all the care.

      “The largest Beveridge countries – the UK, Spain and Italy – keep clinging together in the middle of the index”, the report states.

      Prof Arne Björnberg, chair of HCP, said: “The NHS has been doing pretty much as well since the start [of the surveys] in 2005, which is mediocre

      (Brussels, January 27, 2015)
      England ranks 14th in the 2014 Euro Health Consumer Index, scoring 718 points out of the maximum 1000, one position down since the 2013 study

      The initial 2005 (ie under Labour) ECHI survey rated the NHS poorly and summed it up as follows:

      United Kingdom: Mediocre overall performer. Good on heart problems. Star
      performer on healthcare information! The new Freedom of
      Information Act will hopefully improve score on openness
      indicators.


      Criteria used by ECHI:

      1.11 Q8 2014 On-line appointment booking.xlsx
      1.12 e-Prescription status 2014 PV.xlsx
      1.2 Q1 2014 Patient organisation co-determination.xlsx
      1.4 Right to second opinion PV survey 2014.xlsx
      1.5 Q3 2014 access to medical record.xlsx
      1.6 Q4 2014 bona fide doctor registry.xlsx
      1.7 Q5 2014 24-7 healthcare info service.xlsx
      1.8 Q6 2014 Cross-border care seeking.xlsx
      1.9 Q7 2014 hospital results ranking.xlsx
      2.1 Q10 2014 Same-day family doctor visit.xlsx
      2.2 Q11 2014 Direct access to specialist.xlsx
      2.3 Q12 2014 Elective surgery waiting time.xlsx
      2.4 Q13 2014 Cancer treatment wait.xlsx
      2.5 Q14 2014 CT scan wait.xlsx
      2.6 Q15 2014 A and E waiting.xlsx
      3.1 Trendline for SDR heart disease all ages WHO HfA April 2014.xlsx
      3.2 Trendline for SDR stroke all ages WHO HfA April 2014.xlsx
      3.3 infant deaths WHO HfA Apr 2014.xlsx
      3.4 Cancer Incidence and survival 141010.xls
      3.5 PYLL all causes WHO DMDB May -14.xlsx
      3.6 Single Indicator MRSA 141008.xlsx
      3.7 abortions per 1000 live births WHO HfA April 2014.xls
      3.8 Mental health Special Eurobarometer 345 2010.xls
      4.1 Public sector Expenditure on Health as % of total WHO HfA April -14.xls
      4.2 Cataract surgery per 100 000 65+ 141010.xls
      4.3 Kidney transplants pmp 141008.xls
      4.4 Dental care out-of-pocket and coverage Eurostat 2014.xls
      4.5 Q16 2014 Under-the-table money to doctors.xlsx
      4.6 Number of nursing and elderly home beds per 100000 65+ WHO HfA April -14.xls
      4.7 Share of home dialysis 141010.xls
      4.8 Caesarean sections per 1000 live births WHO HfA April 2014.xls
      5.1 Infant vaccination 8-disease WHO HfA April 2014.xlsx
      5.2 blood pressure prevalence WHO World Health Statistics 2014.xlsx
      5.4 Alcohol consumption binge drinking adjusted 2014.xls
      5.5 phys exercise in school 141015.xls


      http://www.healthpowerhouse.com/publications/euro-health-consumer-index-2014/
      http://www.healthpowerhouse.com/media/EHCI2005_EN.pdf
      https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/26/nhs-comes-14th-in-europe-wide-survey-on-health-systems
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      Re: Is The NHS Dead And Buried
      Reply #142: Feb 09, 2017 06:17:12 pm
      Witnessing first hand just how close the A&E services are to collapse...

      Amazing work by all... Huge.
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      Reply #143: Feb 21, 2017 12:33:12 pm
      Report in the Echo last night saying beds in all Merseyside hospitals are full to bursting this winter, much the same as the rest of the country.
      Mirrors the state of the NHS totally.

      The Tories press on regardless with their war on welfare:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39031546
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Reply #144: Feb 21, 2017 01:12:04 pm
      Report in the Echo last night saying beds in all Merseyside hospitals are full to bursting this winter, much the same as the rest of the country.
      Mirrors the state of the NHS totally.

      The Tories press on regardless with their war on welfare:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39031546

      Don't worry. 350m per week is coming the NHS's way soon.
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      Reply #145: May 14, 2017 11:01:00 am
      NHS dangerously short of nurses
      The NHS in England is drastically short of the nurses it needs with 40,000 posts unfilled.
      The total is double what it was in 2013 and means one in nine positions is now vacant according to an analysis by the Royal College of Nursing.

      The Union said the situation was dangerous blaming the stress of working in the NHS and the cap on pay rises for the problem.

      But the Tories said plans were in place to tackle the issue.


      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39890235


      ''Plans are in place to tackle the issue'' ?!?!
      There is a plan currently running created by this Tory government to strip and destroy Welfare and the NHS systems, that is the issue that these liars are addressing/''tackling''.

      The evidence is in the facts yet the lack of any credible challenge allows May and her fellow elitists to lie through their f**king teeth unchallenged.
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      Reply #146: Jan 04, 2018 04:02:56 pm
      NHS dangerously short of nurses
      The NHS in England is drastically short of the nurses it needs with 40,000 posts unfilled.
      The total is double what it was in 2013 and means one in nine positions is now vacant according to an analysis by the Royal College of Nursing.

      The Union said the situation was dangerous blaming the stress of working in the NHS and the cap on pay rises for the problem.

      But the Tories said plans were in place to tackle the issue.


      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39890235


      ''Plans are in place to tackle the issue'' ?!?!
      There is a plan currently running created by this Tory government to strip and destroy Welfare and the NHS systems, that is the issue that these liars are addressing/''tackling''.

      The evidence is in the facts yet the lack of any credible challenge allows May and her fellow elitists to lie through their f**king teeth unchallenged.

      Yeah looks like plans were in place... The Tories have f*cked the NHS and all of us up the ar*e. 50,000 operations cancelled, mind you they have aplologised  :mad:
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      Re: Is The NHS Dead And Buried
      Reply #147: Jan 04, 2018 04:35:08 pm
      Yeah looks like plans were in place... The Tories have f*cked the NHS and all of us up the ar*e. 50,000 operations cancelled, mind you they have aplologised  :mad:

      Jeremy Hunt had the f**king cheek to appear on TV issuing a public apology for so called ''errors of judgement'' which led to thousands of operations cancelled and further untold misery.
       
      Will the c**t lose the job he freely admits he has failed to address adequately?
      Will measures be taken to correct the shortcomings the NHS has had forced upon it?

      Hunt is carrying out Tory mantra, who in that party will call a halt to the unbridled destruction  of the NHS?
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      Reply #148: Jan 31, 2018 11:47:15 am
      My mate who has been in the NHS for 30 years is being made redundant in April as his department will go to a private company, he might get re employed by the private firm but his wage will drop to minimum wage with less holidays etc.. He will get approx 40k in redundancy pay plus 600 quid a month in pension. How do the people who run the NHS work out this way is cheaper and more efficient? I'd sack anyone on the spot who came up with this idea! Crazy. As my mate says, the NHS is f*cked unless something dramatic happens. The one thing that all people rely on is being systematically stripped and will never be the same and despite nurses and doctors warning of this and even striking the whole country stands by and watches it go down the toilet. Trade unions need to man up and get together as it's the only way to stop the Tories from completing their plan.
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      Re: Is The NHS Dead And Buried
      Reply #149: Jan 31, 2018 12:17:32 pm
      Jeremy Hunt literally wrote a book about this.

      Outlines how to crash the NHS and usher in private insurance to the UK.

      How he is allowed to continue his job is bizarre. It would be like a teacher writing a book called 'how to make student fail', having their pupils all fail their exams and then say 'sorry' at the end. It would be like an insurance broker writing a book on how to screw over everyone and then doing it. You'd lose your job, and so should Hunt, then again it's up to May. She's a f**king loser though, sad case old bat with all the charisma and leadership of a pot of coleslaw.

      Smart people don't run for Parliament, no wonder we're left with morons.

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