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      ruthcity
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      What are they doing at Melwood?
      Dec 14, 2014 04:55:25 pm
      I've been wanting to start this thread for some time now. I think it's appropriate to do so now.

      Sometimes I wonder what the team is exactly doing at Melwood. Unless we are privy to what goes on with the team, we really do not have a clue on what they do everyday.

      If they are having fun and games playing head tennis and five aside games, I'll be worried. To me Melwood is a place where the team puts in all the hard work. It's the place where mistakes can be made and rectified, formations/selections experimented, passing and positioning refined. Problems are addressed. If any fancy/risky decision needs to be validated, Melwood is the place.

      As with any musical, exam or concert, match day is performance day. And Melwood is where the preparations are made. And when you have only 90 minutes, that's all the time you have to unleash all your preparations. Any top student would tell us how much time they invested in studying for their exams.  Any musician would tell us that they have been practising on their instrument all their lives. Even Tiger Woods needs swing coaching. Execution has to be crisp, precise, well drilled on match day. I don't think players have time to think in the modern game, which is why training and being well drilled is so important.

      At the moment, we do not look like a well drilled team. Some players look lost, misplace passes, do not know where to find their team mates or position themselves. It's like a bunch of strangers playing together all over again. Players aside, does the coaching team make the players practice passage of play over and over again till everybody clicks? Or do they leave things as they are match after match? Are individual mistakes taken seriously and addressed or just left alone? Are recent matches analysed over and over again and with the players involved? Is every poor pass, shot, tackle addressed in training or left alone?

      Garbage in, garbage out. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. They way we are playing right now suggests to me that there is insufficient work put in at Melwood. Or standards required by the coaching staff has declined to the extent that an average or poor pass, tackle or shot is in fact accepted. Which means on the big stage, this is the level of execution we will produce.

      What's the team's attitude in training? How intense is training? I think Luis was there to push players into playing at a high level and this high intensity training looks to have relaxed. There are some assumptions here, but I think we haven't trained enough hours to look confident and well drilled. If anyone has some colour on the quality of the training, do let the rest of us know.

      Finally, it's a pitfall for any footballer or coaching staff to think that they've made it when they sign for Liverpool Football Club. In fact all of us would expect them to put in even more work after they've signed. I believe Andy Carroll and Stewart Downing were those guilty of thinking they have achieved that level necessary for them to stop refining their craft. Which means they start to take training and matches lightly, enjoy their status as Liverpool FC footballers as they await their fat pay check on pay day. I could be wrong but I'm sure there are a few of such players on the team.

      What do you think they are doing at Melwood? 
      What sort of attitude do you think each individual player has towards their job and career with Liverpool Football Club?

      I for now think Dejan Lovren and Simon Mignolet are taking their work too lightly at the moment. And for the boss, he has room to improve execution (drills such as defending corners, closing down, fast break, passing/positioning etc.). Confidence comes by having the ability to execute. Execution comes by putting in the hours, similar to top students, musicians, singers, magician, any top performer or athelete.
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #1: Dec 14, 2014 05:05:01 pm
      Excellent topic Ruth. I wonder the very same thing. All I ever see in photos is Rodgers and the players laughing and joking during training even after a defeat. Over in Manchester LVG has the scum going through hell in training. No laughing just intense hard graft training. And look which club is going to finish in the top 4!
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #2: Dec 14, 2014 05:20:35 pm
      making a right F***ing mess of a great club
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #3: Dec 14, 2014 08:27:23 pm
      taking the piss at us
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #4: Dec 14, 2014 09:02:37 pm
      I don't know if it's just a saying over here in the states or if it's universal but over here it's always been said you play in a game like you practice.

      The reason the Chicago Bulls were so good is because Jordan made practices hell on everyone, he took it as serious as games and the team benefitted from it immensely. They learned how to win because of him.

      Doesn't seem like that is happening at Melwood. And for the record, that's not a responsibility of Rodgers, that's a responsibility of the team leaders.
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      Reply #5: Dec 14, 2014 09:05:26 pm
      We are missing a Bugsy Moran or a Thommo!

      Cant see the manager, Marsh or Pascoe giving anyone a bollocking.
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #6: Dec 14, 2014 09:05:33 pm

      Doesn't seem like that is happening at Melwood. And for the record, that's not a responsibility of Rodgers, that's a responsibility of the team leaders.

      Of course it's a responsibility of Rodgers. He's coaches and arranges the training sessions.
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      Reply #7: Dec 14, 2014 09:09:43 pm
      Of course it's a responsibility of Rodgers. He's coaches and arranges the training sessions.

      You apparently didn't comprehend what I said. Phil Jackson wasn't the one making players better in Bulls practices, he merely organized the drills and the things he wanted the players to learn or practice. The tone that was set for competitiveness and effort was set by Jordan and later on by Jordan and Pippen. The team leaders.

      The coach can try and force players to care but most times, that aspect comes from the team leaders enforcing it. Same in any sport.

      players should be policing themselves. That's part of Gerrard's job.

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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #8: Dec 14, 2014 09:10:07 pm
      I don't know if it's just a saying over here in the states or if it's universal but over here it's always been said you play in a game like you practice.

      The reason the Chicago Bulls were so good is because Jordan made practices hell on everyone, he took it as serious as games and the team benefitted from it immensely. They learned how to win because of him.

      Doesn't seem like that is happening at Melwood. And for the record, that's not a responsibility of Rodgers, that's a responsibility of the team leaders.

      Really? Wow. Always learn something new on here.
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #9: Dec 14, 2014 09:11:13 pm
      Of course it's a responsibility of Rodgers. He's coaches and arranges the training sessions.

      Agreed. It's 100% Rodgers responsibility to set the standard of training and level of intensity. LVG has the Manc players running through brick walls in training and it shows on the pitch. He is getting the maximum out of the relatively average squad at his disposal. We can laugh at LVG all we like at his big weird head and what not but he's a top manager in my opinion and I would have him here in a heartbeat.
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #10: Dec 14, 2014 09:13:22 pm
      Really? Wow. Always learn something new on here.
      Pay attention and you will.
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #11: Dec 14, 2014 09:14:05 pm
      Good post.

      Another thing that I've always wondered: how come our players have been so bad in the air this season when you have pictures of them playing head tennis in training before every game. Our defending at set pieces is woeful and we haven't scored a single goal from a corner kick in 16 games.
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #12: Dec 14, 2014 09:14:16 pm
      Really? Wow. Always learn something new on here.

      Rule number one here : Everything bad that happens isn't Brendan's fault.
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #13: Dec 14, 2014 09:17:33 pm
      Rule number one here : Everything bad that happens isn't Brendan's fault.
      Has nothing to do with defending Brendan, his mistakes Te very easy for everyone to see, but he's not the reason for everything that goes wrong. Would you like to blame him for global warming and Ebola too?

      The players including the leaders on this team deserve a large share of the blame for their play and their leadership or lack of.
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #14: Dec 14, 2014 09:24:34 pm
      The players including the leaders on this team deserve a large share of the blame for their play and their leadership or lack of.

      fair enough, also the owners, but the biggest blame lies on brendan
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      Reply #15: Dec 14, 2014 10:52:41 pm
      fair enough, also the owners, but the biggest blame lies on brendan
      Owners as well, don't know if you can say Brendan deserves the most, not his fault his best player is injured is it? But his team selections and subs are troubling for sure.
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #16: Dec 14, 2014 10:52:48 pm
      it's the head tennis! 
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #17: Dec 14, 2014 11:17:52 pm

      Do you have your answer?
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      Reply #18: Dec 14, 2014 11:40:13 pm
      This video from a few days ago could have just been some end-of-training fun, but it sure seems like they do F**k around a lot in training:

      http://www.lfc.vn/preview-matchday/man-utd-liverpool-thong-tin-truoc-tran-dau-s15-w16/
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      Reply #19: Dec 14, 2014 11:42:30 pm

      just heard that Jones will be playing.
      They don't seem like they have just been knocked out of the CL must be something to do with just received their bank statements for this month
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #20: Dec 14, 2014 11:42:58 pm
      This video from a few days ago could have just been some end-of-training fun, but it sure seems like they do f**k around a lot in training:

      http://www.lfc.vn/preview-matchday/man-utd-liverpool-thong-tin-truoc-tran-dau-s15-w16/
      After this video, I think we should try Skrtel upfront!
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #21: Dec 14, 2014 11:46:20 pm
      This video from a few days ago could have just been some end-of-training fun, but it sure seems like they do f**k around a lot in training:

      http://www.lfc.vn/preview-matchday/man-utd-liverpool-thong-tin-truoc-tran-dau-s15-w16/


      Those houses over looking the training ground, I wonder how expensive they are to buy or rent, anyone knows? :D Would love to live there.
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      Re: What are they doing at Melwood?
      Reply #22: Dec 14, 2014 11:50:57 pm
      There not expensive houses there
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      Reply #23: Jan 07, 2015 01:03:13 pm
      Could it be that the players are on mediocre wages but are highly incentivised in bonuses that is resulting in low morale and motivation at the training ground?

      Could the coaching staff be inadequately compensated which results in a lack of motivation at work?

      Results and performances don't lie. If you had trained hard and in the right way, you would yield results. If a kid studied the right way, he or she would do well in exams. I'm beginning to think that they are not motivated to work hard at Melwood. Garbage in, garbage out.

      Could be due to compensation.
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      Reply #24: Jan 07, 2015 01:10:56 pm
      Could it be that the players are on mediocre wages but are highly incentivised in bonuses that is resulting in low morale and motivation at the training ground?

      Could the coaching staff be inadequately compensated which results in a lack of motivation at work?

      Results and performances don't lie. If you had trained hard and in the right way, you would yield results. If a kid studied the right way, he or she would do well in exams. I'm beginning to think that they are not motivated to work hard at Melwood. Garbage in, garbage out.

      Could be due to compensation.

      So the players didn't agree to the contracts that they are on? They aren't indentured servants.

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      Reply #25: Jan 07, 2015 01:26:53 pm
      Could it be that the players are on mediocre wages but are highly incentivised in bonuses that is resulting in low morale and motivation at the training ground?

      Could the coaching staff be inadequately compensated which results in a lack of motivation at work?

      Results and performances don't lie. If you had trained hard and in the right way, you would yield results. If a kid studied the right way, he or she would do well in exams. I'm beginning to think that they are not motivated to work hard at Melwood. Garbage in, garbage out.

      Could be due to compensation.

      It's more likely that we have had a big influx of new, young players who are taking time to bed in and get to grips with how BR wants the team to play.
      We saw it in his (BR's) first season, we're seeing it again now.
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      Reply #26: Jan 07, 2015 01:50:52 pm
      It's more likely that we have had a big influx of new, young players who are taking time to bed in and get to grips with how BR wants the team to play.
      We saw it in his (BR's) first season, we're seeing it again now.

      That's the one. As simple as nearly half a squad of new players getting used to a new squad, new home in a new city, a new team ethic and a new style of play.

      As usual though the thread descends into finger pointing.

      How dare they have fun in training? They should be punished severely, minimum made to play murderball or stretched on a rack till they can head a ball properly.

      Have patience, we will 100% get back to poetry in motion. If it ain't happening fast enough then maybe sit on your hands until it does.
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      Reply #27: Jan 07, 2015 02:07:34 pm
      That's the one. As simple as nearly half a squad of new players getting used to a new squad, new home in a new city, a new team ethic and a new style of play.

      As usual though the thread descends into finger pointing.

      How dare they have fun in training? They should be punished severely, minimum made to play murderball or stretched on a rack till they can head a ball properly.

      Have patience, we will 100% get back to poetry in motion. If it ain't happening fast enough then maybe sit on your hands until it does.

      Wouldn't the wheelchairs F**k up the playing surface?

      ahhh, now I see why BR was complaining about the pitch.
      Well, it's his own fault if he's got the players playing murderball
      ;)
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      Reply #28: Jan 07, 2015 03:16:12 pm
      I may sound blunt and will enrage a few here, pardon me, I've been asking the same question since the beginning of the season. I stick to my opinion we  have a squad not any better or worst than utd but the our coaches are sh*t. We have near perfect short 3 to 5 yards passes, and I'm sure they spend hell lot of time practicing that but movement of players around and into the boxes are nothing but miserable, not to mention the quality of shooting. It takes a top coach to be able to identify those moves and different combos among players, sadly I'm not sure whether BR and the coaches have those qualities. When we play the way during match day as if the players don't know each other and just got off the coach only tells us one thing, the method and quality of training is sh*t and is certainly not world class and not done by world class coaches.
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      Reply #29: Jan 07, 2015 03:27:13 pm
      I may sound blunt and will enrage a few here, pardon me, I've been asking the same question since the beginning of the season. I stick to my opinion we  have a squad not any better or worst than utd but the our coaches are sh*t. We have near perfect short 3 to 5 yards passes, and I'm sure they spend hell lot of time practicing that but movement of players around and into the boxes are nothing but miserable, not to mention the quality of shooting. It takes a top coach to be able to identify those moves and different combos among players, sadly I'm not sure whether BR and the coaches have those qualities. When we play the way during match day as if the players don't know each other and just got off the coach only tells us one thing, the method and quality of training is sh*t and is certainly not world class and not done by world class coaches.

      I think the crux of the matter is more to do with signing the wrong players to match the system being coached every day. We didn't have any problem with movement and combos last season the difference now is with Danny out and Luis gone we are missing players key to making the style of football being coached successful. I speak from an offensive coaching perspective. Our defensive coaching is clearly not working and never has.
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      Reply #30: Jan 07, 2015 03:35:26 pm
      Wouldn't the wheelchairs F**k up the playing surface?

      When we played it school you sometimes ended up in a wheelchair but that was a while before it was a paralympic pursuit.

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      Reply #31: Jan 07, 2015 03:41:13 pm
      When we played it school you sometimes ended up in a wheelchair but that was a while before it was a paralympic pursuit.

      ahh, right.
      We called it mat ball, because there was a mat at either end of the gym, and the object was to get the ball on the mat.
      No other rules.
      There used to be a lot of lads lying down. I assume they were having a rest rather than recovering from the smack someone had just given them.
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      Reply #32: Jan 07, 2015 03:46:03 pm
      Yes, it makes sense to say the wrong players for the wrong system and coaching while the manager and transfer committee to be blamed and I'm not going to get into who's to be blamed more, it was debated at length already. Nevertheless, I'd believe a top class coach would be able to make mismatch signings as effective as possible, making best use of their strengths. Take for instance, when we have a Lambert on the pitch we need a Manquillo to provide the crosses, not Hendo on the wings. When Balo is on the pitch we need a Lallana to play alongside him, not as a lone striker. Trying him out as a lone striker after 2 games a top class coach would be able to see that it's ineffective and need to switch tactics.

      Even during during his Man City time Balo was never a lone striker, he has an Aguerro or Dzeko beside him, doesn't our coaches study his past games?


      There're so many combos that we can work on, but our tactics is so one dimensional. Could it be the quality or the lack of experience in our coaches? Or that they're mid-table quality coaches?

      Many here have said before Suarez has actually make us look and played so good. I refused to believe, but looking at what happened so far this season, I gotto agreed I was wrong. Having Suarez on the pitch, the opposition defence simply can't read our game, don't know which direction Suarez is going to attack them. it could be from the left, right, centre or coming through nowhere. We were simply unpredictable as Suarez was given the freedom to roam. I'd simply put it as Suarez coached the team to play in an unpredictable and highly effective manner and I'd go to the extend to say he coached the team instead of the coaches coached him.

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      Reply #33: Jan 08, 2015 03:57:59 pm
      I've been following the reds for 30 yrs and as an ultra runner have many hours out running and at some point in every run my thoughs turn to football,i then find myself feeling low angry depressed because of the way were playing this year so  not the mindset you want training 20 mile.

      To counter that I think of the way the u18/19 team play and and if only the first team could play with the same style and organisation with two proper holding mids in pedro and Jordon and the pace and skill out wide with kent and Wilson.

      Ojo and Jerome the same pace n skill and for me canos is the best of them all.

      I know not many come through and make it but imagine if this team could produce what they r now in the premier league in 5 years time. Add sturridge sterling lazor and ibe  what a team that could b to watch every week. That thought gets me through the 3hr run
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      Reply #34: Jan 13, 2015 09:32:08 am
      What if players or staff in our squad get distracted? Wouldn't it affect their training and overall performance? People working in football business are after all very human and well paid. Below is an example that these people are just not perfect. And it happens... They drag their feet to training and can't wait to get back to the thing they are distracted about.

      They are less likely to be your expensive world class players.

      After a few high profile mistakes which saw David James earn the nickname of Calamity James, the Liverpool goalkeeper had a silly excuse for his bad form. He said he was addicted to playing on his PlayStation and consequently was not getting enough sleep. This is the kind of reason a 12 year-old would not do their homework, and not expected of a professional and International footballer.

      http://live4liverpool.com/ten-of-the-most-ridiculous-excuses-in-world-football/attachment/david-james2

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