You Get What You Pay For!

I think the club is being left behind by Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal.

In recent times there was a massive step between Chelsea/City and the original big 3, United, Arsenal and Liverpool.

In the last two seasons Arsenal and United have significantly increased their player investment,
so much so that the latter has now the most expensively valued squad in the league.

Meanwhile Liverpool, who were a Suarez undervaluation away from having a more costly squad than Arsenal,
now trail by 100 million. Telling that the big money signings, ie the difference, has all been attacking players, except in the case of City. All values taken from Transfermarkt.

Manchester United - Market Value - €461 Million
Chelsea - Market Value - €444.75 Million
Manchester City - Market Value - €441.75 Million
Arsenal - Market Value - €411.30 Million
Liverpool - Market Value - €331.50 Million

What would make up that €100 Million difference in valuation?

United:
di Maria - €65 Million
Falcao - €55 Million (Loan Signing)
Mata - €40 Million

Arsenal:
Sanchez - €38 Million
Cazorla - €26 Million
Ozil - €45 Million

Chelsea:
Costa - €37 Million
Hazard - €48 Million
Willian - €30 Million
Fabregas - €40 Million
Oscar - €36 Million

City:
Aguero - €45 Million
Silva - €40 Million
Fernandinho - €40 Million
MANGALA - €40 Million for a Centre Back

Two of the Chelsea signings are players Liverpool backed away from because of the structure now in place at the club.

The gap is widening, and unless the club invests in some serious attacking players it will continue to do so.
Big players turn games, strike fear into teams, infect their own team with the right mentality.
Young players with potential don't.

If Liverpool is to have any hope of closing the gap to the financial Big 4 then it needs to start acting like it belongs there.

Is right Racer

Look what difference one truly world class star made to that side last season, look at that top four in financial terms, it's almost locked off unless you try to bridge the gap with real equal talent..

Maybe not the ones that they go for, but are you telling me that Atleti, Porto, Benfica pay more than we can and get some wonderful talents, that going to Russia is a more attractive proposition than playing here, you wouldn't have to pay what they get there but more than we pay now arguably

The world is vast, there are so many talents out there.. Willian came from the Russian league.. There is the French league to tap into..

Why are we f**king around with the Balotelli's at 16 million and damaged goods when we need to go out there like the likes of Atleti do and pay double that for genuine world class forwards.. If they move on reinvest as they have with another one.

Torres, Falcao, Aguero, Manduzic

We try to be clever at times to bridge that gap when maybe we just need to be bold to do it

Is right Racer

Look what difference one truly world class star made to that side last season, look at that top four in financial terms, it's almost locked off unless you try to bridge the gap with real equal talent..

Maybe not the ones that they go for, but are you telling me that Atleti, Porto, Benfica pay more than we can and get some wonderful talents, that going to Russia is a more attractive proposition than playing here, you wouldn't have to pay what they get there but more than we pay now arguably

The world is vast, there are so many talents out there.. Willian came from the Russian league.. There is the French league to tap into..

Why are we f**king around with the Balotelli's at 16 million and damaged goods when we need to go out there like the likes of Atleti do and pay double that for genuine world class forwards.. If they move on reinvest as they have with another one.

Torres, Falcao, Aguero, Manduzic

We try to be clever at times to bridge that gap when maybe we just need to be bold to do it

We've seen it with Chelsea.
Bridging the gap will cost, because Chelsea, Arsenal etc will try to snap up the talent.
Happened on Willian, Salah and Sanchez.
You've got to be prepared to outbid the other party to get the player you want sometimes.

I don't know why we haven't signed more players from Spain and Germany that are outside of the top 3 teams there.

Technically better player for the same money as Premier League overrated counterparts.

Even capitalise on quality players that are no longer wanted for a new manager,
like United have done with di Maria and Mata.

Unfortunately we have investment bankers as owners.  People who have made their money from buying low cost stocks and selling for a profit.  They don't play the high roller stakes, they're too risk averse.

We just have to hope that as sucessful businessmen they realise that by devaluing the squad, they are damaging their asset.  They need to realise that without a sucessful team the only value left is the land that Anfield stands on. 

No point having a nice shiney new stand if it's empty JH.

Unfortunately we have investment bankers as owners.  People who have made their money from buying low cost stocks and selling for a profit.  They don't play the high roller stakes, they're too risk averse.

We just have to hope that as sucessful businessmen they realise that by devaluing the squad, they are damaging their asset.  They need to realise that without a sucessful team the only value left is the land that Anfield stands on. 

No point having a nice shiney new stand if it's empty JH.

Doesn't matter whether we're 1st or 8th. In either case we sell out the stadium. Would take a lot for Anfield not to be sold out consistently, due to the huge quantity of fans we have.

Doesn't matter whether we're 1st or 8th. In either case we sell out the stadium. Would take a lot for Anfield not to be sold out consistently, due to the huge quantity of fans we have.

It happened under Roy and they took decisive action by sacking him Tom.  If we have no quality on the pitch the fans won't pay to watch it.

If you look at what got us closest to competing in Europe recently (Rafa from Valencia) there is a template of finding people who competed against big clubs with a smaller budget and get them in place to do the same here. The current example of such a team/manager would be Atletico/Diego Simeone.

In that case, an owner who wanted to go out and compete would go after him and he would invariably bring some of his players with him. In the case of Simeone that would be Koke, Mandzukic, Tiago, Godin.

These things cost money though. If we had owners that were serious about taking on the elite and being successful on the pitch then we would see someone like Simeone and his key players arriving in the summer.

We don't have owners that want to challenge the elite.
We won't see a scenario like that unfold because it would cost anywhere between 60 - 100 million to implement.
We have Brendan and they are implementing a transfer strategy on him of investing in young players.

Brendan getting it in the neck from fans is purely fans not seeing the bigger picture.

If you look at what got us closest to competing in Europe recently (Rafa from Valencia) there is a template of finding people who competed against big clubs with a smaller budget and get them in place to do the same here. The current example of such a team/manager would be Atletico/Diego Simeone.

In that case, an owner who wanted to go out and compete would go after him and he would invariably bring some of his players with him. In the case of Simeone that would be Koke, Mandzukic, Tiago, Godin.

These things cost money though. If we had owners that were serious about taking on the elite and being successful on the pitch then we would see someone like Simeone and his key players arriving in the summer.

We don't have owners that want to challenge the elite.
We won't see a scenario like that unfold because it would cost anywhere between 60 - 100 million to implement.
We have Brendan and they are implementing a transfer strategy on him of investing in young players.

Brendan getting it in the neck from fans is purely fans not seeing the bigger picture.

The number crunchers have clearly shown them that the financial rewards don't outway the risks mate so they've decided to try it a different way, the way they've always done it, buy low and hope for the best. 

Maybe when they realise how much it's cost them if we don't get CL football next season they'll reassess but I'm not holding my breath.

The number crunchers have clearly shown them that the financial rewards don't outway the risks mate so they've decided to try it a different way, the way they've always done it, buy low and hope for the best. 

Maybe when they realise how much it's cost them if we don't get CL football next season they'll reassess but I'm not holding my breath.

I wont be holding my breath.

Money doesn't always speak. Yes it is good if you buy a proven player such as Ozil but you could spend 40 mil on a player like mangala who is sh*te or 12 million on sturridge who is class!

I personally think it's just a gamble and if you spend big it needs to be on someone who is proven quality.

Money doesn't always speak. Yes it is good if you buy a proven player such as Ozil but you could spend 40 mil on a player like mangala who is sh*te or 12 million on sturridge who is class!

I personally think it's just a gamble and if you spend big it needs to be on someone who is proven quality.

Most of the time it clearly does.

There is no correlation between the prices paid for players and success.

There is a correlation between wages paid to players and success.

In answer to the original post then yes more often than not but it's not a guarantee like anything in life.

There is no correlation between the prices paid for players and success.

There is a correlation between wages paid to players and success.

Surely both are relevant and vital ingredients in an eventual game plan.
As there is no guarantee of success there is patently no black and white ruling as to said game plan.
In other words one part of the success theory is as viable as another.
Your assertion is purely that.

Fernando Torres approved this message 

There is no correlation between the prices paid for players and success.

There is a correlation between wages paid to players and success.

Players who command big wages usually command big transfer fees as well so both go hand in hand.

The values are player valuations, not transfer values. There is a big difference.

What we paid for Lallana and Lovren is not the same as the player valuations on transfermarkt.

Players who command big wages usually command big transfer fees as well so both go hand in hand.

Usually.

Here's the thing, richer clubs can afford to pay big money to land a player and hope he works out.
Shevchenko, Torres etc
We can afford to buy a big name, but he has to work out, because a loss on a big transfer sets us back more than it does a richer club.

The values are player valuations, not transfer values. There is a big difference.

What we paid for Lallana and Lovren is not the same as the player valuations on transfermarkt.

A player is worth what someone is prepared to pay for his services.
Andy Carroll.

A player is worth what someone is prepared to pay for his services.
Andy Carroll.

The player worth is calculated on Transfermarkt.
That's where the figures I've used are from.

Never mind the histrionics.

The player worth is calculated on Transfermarkt.
That's where the figures I've used are from.

Never mind the histrionics.

I'd be wary about using a website to assess a players apparent worth.
Like I said, it depends on what a club is prepared to pay, and apparently BR thought that Lovren, Lallana etc were worth the amount we were asked to pay, which I assume is not the figure presented by the website.

The player worth is calculated on Transfermarkt.
That's where the figures I've used are from.

Never mind the histrionics.

I love Transfermarkt as an overall resource, but I don't really buy their figures on player evaluations. They value Suarez at €60m -- half of what they value Messi and Ronaldo at €120m. Sterling is €20m, Sturridge is €25m. The football market is definitely inflated, but there's some serious undervaluations on there.

Most interesting thing in common for you both is the suggestion that the source might not be perfect rather than my point might not be accurate.