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      GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?

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      heimdall
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #120: Jul 25, 2018 01:15:14 pm
      Well according to James Pearce he is very highly rated by Klopp

      If true I wonder why, what has Achterburg done to earn such praise??
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #121: Jul 25, 2018 01:19:08 pm
      If true I wonder why, what has Achterburg done to earn such praise??

      He has been highly rated by the last 5 managers including the current. Maybe his skills are very highly sought after or its hard to find available goalkeeper coaches.
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      Reply #122: Jul 25, 2018 01:21:23 pm
      He has been highly rated by the last 5 managers including the current. Maybe his skills are very highly sought after or its hard to find available goalkeeper coaches.

      Oh you mean the skill of never improving a goalkeeper, yeah I can imagine that is very hard to find ;-).
      Maybe he is just an expert at kissing ass, I've met plenty of people like that who are crap at their jobs but amazing at sucking up to their bosses but I would have thought Jürgen can see through that.
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      Reply #123: Jul 25, 2018 10:51:56 pm
      Oh you mean the skill of never improving a goalkeeper, yeah I can imagine that is very hard to find ;-).
      Maybe he is just an expert at kissing ass, I've met plenty of people like that who are crap at their jobs but amazing at sucking up to their bosses but I would have thought Jürgen can see through that.
      i have to think this is the case. top rated arse licker, one of the boys, dutch accent so sounds like he knows what hes on about,  etc.
      snake oil salesman more like.
      he should be judged on his results, has he improved any goalkeepers 'consistently... no. cya lad.
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      Reply #124: Jul 25, 2018 11:40:06 pm
      He has a degree in hypnosis, look into my eyes not around my eyes but into my eyes Jürgen, i am the greatest ever GK coach in the world you got it repeat after me.
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      Reply #125: Jul 26, 2018 03:53:12 am
      He has a degree in hypnosis, look into my eyes not around my eyes but into my eyes Jürgen, i am the greatest ever GK coach in the world you got it repeat after me.
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      Reply #126: Jul 26, 2018 12:13:53 pm

      Oh he really does look like the ass kissing type doesn't he, I bet he's a c**t to everyone below him as well. Anyway maybe he's a lovely and honourable guy but what is clear is that he is a terrible GK coach and I would be amazed if he lasts long with Alisson.
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      Reply #127: Jul 26, 2018 12:34:22 pm
      I don't know about you lot but Klopp doesn't strike me as someone who needs his ass kissing or who suffers fools gladly  :confused-smiley-013:
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      Reply #128: Jul 26, 2018 12:47:29 pm
      I don't know about you lot but Klopp doesn't strike me as someone who needs his ass kissing or who suffers fools gladly  :confused-smiley-013:
      trouble is that some of these long term parasites are smooth, so slick you'd never notice their tongue up your hoop.
      i have seen it in the workplace, sycophants who have this symbiotic relationship with anyone who can help them progress, but without doing anything worthwhile themselves...
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #129: Jul 26, 2018 12:54:32 pm
      trouble is that some of these long term parasites are smooth, so slick you'd never notice their tongue up your hoop.
      i have seen it in the workplace, sycophants who have this symbiotic relationship with anyone who can help them progress, but without doing anything worthwhile themselves...

      Aye

      But again

      I don't know about you lot but Klopp doesn't strike me as someone who needs his ass kissing or who suffers fools gladly  :confused-smiley-013:

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      Reply #130: Jul 26, 2018 01:16:47 pm
      trouble is that some of these long term parasites are smooth, so slick you'd never notice their tongue up your hoop.
      i have seen it in the workplace, sycophants who have this symbiotic relationship with anyone who can help them progress, but without doing anything worthwhile themselves...

      T.P.M.
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      Reply #131: Jul 26, 2018 01:23:26 pm
      I don't know about you lot but Klopp doesn't strike me as someone who needs his ass kissing or who suffers fools gladly  :confused-smiley-013:

      I agree but if true then just what in the name of f**k is it that Klopp sees in Achterburg? He is demonstrably a terrible coach as no one ever seems to improve under him.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #132: Jul 26, 2018 02:01:29 pm
      Last i heard about him is that Klopp is a huge admirer.
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      Reply #133: Jul 26, 2018 02:07:36 pm
      Last i heard about him is that Klopp is a huge admirer.

      Yes we know that, we are trying to figure out why, any thoughts?
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #134: Jul 26, 2018 02:28:04 pm
      Bring back Joe Corrigan.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #135: Jul 26, 2018 02:33:21 pm

      He's like 70 years old
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      Reply #136: Jul 26, 2018 02:35:07 pm

      and your point is?
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #137: Jul 26, 2018 02:36:25 pm

      Speaking of former goalkeeping coaches was interesting to see that Xavi Valero has ended up at West Ham.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #138: Jul 26, 2018 02:37:59 pm

      He too old 🤷‍♂️
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #139: Jul 26, 2018 03:29:25 pm

      I know, I was kidding but he'd probably still do a better job.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #140: Jul 26, 2018 03:47:38 pm
      Why, after avoiding it for so long, did I click on this thread for the first time today?

      Burned onto my retina now, I reckon.  :confused-smiley-013:
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #141: Jul 26, 2018 04:43:42 pm
      The 'keeper coach is rarely if ever in the spotlight, Mignolet and subsequently Karius  have been disastrous and unfortunate in that order so to save some awkward enquires the goalie coach has been offered up as enquiry blotting paper.

      Alisson is an accomplished shot stopper and well experienced keeper and could probably coach the coach.

      In that case we probably will  hear no more agout Mr Achterberg.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #142: Aug 10, 2018 12:00:36 am
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      Reply #143: Aug 10, 2018 09:02:22 am

      Its a slightly weird defence though, basically his main quality seems to be working longer hours than Jürgen, that's a fairly well known trick from most workplaces, make the boss think you are working hard and he'll ignore that what you are producing is crap.

      Anyway hope I'm wrong and that Alisson actually improves under Achterburg, there must be a first time for everything.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #144: Aug 10, 2018 04:47:29 pm
      Trouble is that some of these long term parasites are smooth, so slick you'd never notice their tongue up your hoop.

      i have seen it in the workplace, sycophants who have this symbiotic relationship with anyone who can help them progress, but without doing anything worthwhile themselves...

      I am sorry to say that we had a previous manager like him giving out soundbites to the owners instead of press conferences.
      He was sussed in 2015 and after an end of season worst defeat in over 50 years. To Stoke F.F.S !

      He knew all about management speak .... knew all about getting allies around him and knew all about getting shot of alpha type  personality players such as Pepe ...who could challenge him... which was all dressed up with others shipped out as "getting the wage bill down".

      He knew all about man management stealing Ferguson's envelope stunt after reading his book and he was certain that after a three hour meeting with Box of Frogs Balotelli he had got into his head and Mario was going to set the world on fire with the Reds.
      All he did was use us as "The Bank Of Anfield" like Woy's favourite player Joe Cole.

      What was Achterberg's previous experience?  Tranmere goalkeeper.

      Question:  Has Achterberg actually improved Mignolet ....in how many years the player has been here?
      Answer : No.
      How many points each season has Migs lost us?

      How many would Pepe have lost us?
      All hypothetical yes ... I know ....but my money would have still been on Reina and worth his salary for his safe hands and less points lost.

      Achterberg needs to be kept as far away as possible  from Alisson.

      Seriously!
      « Last Edit: Aug 10, 2018 05:00:51 pm by MIRO »
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #145: Aug 24, 2018 04:12:03 am
      wow you guys sure get upset over nothing. even after jurgen klopp himself talking about people exactly like you, the armchair experts having no idea, you still pretend you know better
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      Reply #146: Aug 24, 2018 06:12:02 am
      I am sorry to say that we had a previous manager like him giving out soundbites to the owners instead of press conferences.
      He was sussed in 2015 and after an end of season worst defeat in over 50 years. To Stoke F.F.S !

      He knew all about management speak .... knew all about getting allies around him and knew all about getting shot of alpha type  personality players such as Pepe ...who could challenge him... which was all dressed up with others shipped out as "getting the wage bill down".

      He knew all about man management stealing Ferguson's envelope stunt after reading his book and he was certain that after a three hour meeting with Box of Frogs Balotelli he had got into his head and Mario was going to set the world on fire with the Reds.
      All he did was use us as "The Bank Of Anfield" like Woy's favourite player Joe Cole.

      What was Achterberg's previous experience?  Tranmere goalkeeper.

      Question:  Has Achterberg actually improved Mignolet ....in how many years the player has been here?
      Answer : No.
      How many points each season has Migs lost us?

      How many would Pepe have lost us?
      All hypothetical yes ... I know ....but my money would have still been on Reina and worth his salary for his safe hands and less points lost.

      Achterberg needs to be kept as far away as possible  from Alisson.

      Seriously!

      Did he has keepers who were capable to be top keepers in recent years? No, Simon and Loris weren't. Alisson is so give him a chance and with Reina, he was a 'very young coach' and Pepe as hard-headed.
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      Reply #147: Aug 24, 2018 10:11:26 am
      Did he has keepers who were capable to be top keepers in recent years? No, Simon and Loris weren't. Alisson is so give him a chance and with Reina, he was a 'very young coach' and Pepe as hard-headed.

      Shouldn't a good coach be able to improve a player even if that player isn't the best in the world?
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      Reply #148: Aug 24, 2018 09:35:14 pm
      Shouldn't a good coach be able to improve a player even if that player isn't the best in the world?

      To certain extent yes, but there will be limits as well.
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      Reply #149: Aug 24, 2018 11:18:04 pm
      I am sorry to say that we had a previous manager like him giving out soundbites to the owners instead of press conferences.
      He was sussed in 2015 and after an end of season worst defeat in over 50 years. To Stoke F.F.S !

      He knew all about management speak .... knew all about getting allies around him and knew all about getting shot of alpha type  personality players such as Pepe ...who could challenge him... which was all dressed up with others shipped out as "getting the wage bill down".

      He knew all about man management stealing Ferguson's envelope stunt after reading his book and he was certain that after a three hour meeting with Box of Frogs Balotelli he had got into his head and Mario was going to set the world on fire with the Reds.
      All he did was use us as "The Bank Of Anfield" like Woy's favourite player Joe Cole.

      What was Achterberg's previous experience?  Tranmere goalkeeper.

      Question:  Has Achterberg actually improved Mignolet ....in how many years the player has been here?
      Answer : No.
      How many points each season has Migs lost us?

      How many would Pepe have lost us?
      All hypothetical yes ... I know ....but my money would have still been on Reina and worth his salary for his safe hands and less points lost.

      Achterberg needs to be kept as far away as possible  from Alisson.

      Seriously!

      He will learn extra 'skills' from him, the guys a chancer who has got away with it

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