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      GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?

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      althebest1
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #90: Dec 14, 2016 09:23:20 am
      That free kick was very saveable, he should have got his hand to it theres no getting away from that fact

      The free kick was saveable no doubt, but not from his bad starting position.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #91: Dec 14, 2016 09:27:05 am
      The free kick was saveable no doubt, but not from his bad starting position.

      Exactly.

      Now, unless Achterberg ran round the back of the net and whispered in Karius' ear to start where he did; we can safely say that was very poor goalkeeping.
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      Reply #92: Dec 14, 2016 09:34:43 am
      Exactly.

      Now, unless Achterberg ran round the back of the net and whispered in Karius' ear to start where he did; we can safely say that was very poor goalkeeping.

      But would it not be the coach's job to instruct Karius on positioning. Would it also not be the goalkeeping coaches job to recommend goalkeepers we should be buying ie running the rule over Karius and saying Nein to Klopp? That article in support of him is so biased its scary. Mignolet has improved under Achertburg, really?? in what way is that and does it explain why he doesn't get a game now!!!
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      Reply #93: Dec 14, 2016 01:56:09 pm
      and they all wear kits that are two sizes too big.

      :D
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      Reply #94: Dec 18, 2016 07:41:59 am
      But would it not be the coach's job to instruct Karius on positioning. Would it also not be the goalkeeping coaches job to recommend goalkeepers we should be buying ie running the rule over Karius and saying Nein to Klopp? That article in support of him is so biased its scary. Mignolet has improved under Achertburg, really?? in what way is that and does it explain why he doesn't get a game now!!!

      I know Klopp would personally see to this particular positioning situation. But if Klopp hadn't, we don't even know if the goalkeeping department itself would conduct a review or just get on with life on the training pitch. Now that'll be a real coaching issue if so.
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      Reply #95: Dec 18, 2016 08:48:25 am
      Well, I think we can scrap my post above :)

      Achterberg takes the flak but Klopp's faith in Liverpool coach is unwavering

      The criticism of long-serving Dutchman is wrong and disrespectful

      BY JAMES PEARCE

      Loris Karius wasn’t the only man to take the flak for Liverpool ’s failings against West Ham.

      Social media was awash with a torrent of criticism being aimed at a member of Jürgen Klopp’s backroom staff.

      Karius’ struggles have been held up as proof in some quarters that goalkeeping coach John Achterberg is the problem rather than the solution.

      It’s not an opinion which is shared by anyone inside Melwood.

      The fact is that the Dutchman is a highly-regarded coach who retains the full backing of the manager. The goalkeepers he works with on a daily basis also speak glowingly about the calibre of the sessions he delivers.

      Last summer the 45-year-old became one of the few keeping coaches in European football to acquire the UEFA Pro Licence - the highest qualification available. The idea that he’s a weak link is simply wrong and hugely disrespectful.

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      If Klopp had any doubts about Achterberg’s capabilities then he wouldn’t still be part of the set-up.

      After all the German isn’t afraid to ring the changes - underlined by last summer’s overhaul which saw Andreas Kornmayer brought in as the club's new head of fitness and conditioning and Mona Nemmer follow him to Liverpool from Bayern Munich as head of nutrition.

      When Klopp and his trusted assistants Zeljko Buvac and Peter Krawietz penned new six-year deals back in July, Achterberg and first-team development coach Pep Lijnders were also handed contract extensions.

      He’s very much part of ‘Team Klopp’ and that isn’t likely to change any time soon.

      Achterberg joined the Liverpool Academy staff during Rafa Benitez’s reign in 2009 after 11 years of service to Tranmere Rovers and more than 300 appearances.

      It was Kenny Dalglish who promoted him to the role of first-team goalkeeping coach in the summer of 2011 and he’s retained that position under both Brendan Rodgers and Klopp.

      Critics highlight the issues Liverpool have had with keepers over the past five-and-a-half years and point to Achterberg as the one common denominator. They demand to know who he’s improved out of Pepe Reina, Alexander Doni, Péter Gulacsi, Brad Jones, Simon Mignolet, Adam Bogdan, Danny Ward and Karius.

      For a start Reina was in decline before Achterberg got to work with him, while Doni, Jones and Bogdan - who cost a combined total of £2.3million - simply weren’t up to it.

      Playing for Liverpool is not just a question of talent, there’s also the pressure and expectation which many struggle to handle.

      Gulacsi, who is now shining for RB Leipzig, was young and never got to to make a senior appearance for the Reds, while Ward’s development at Liverpool has been eye-catching and his education is currently continuing on loan at Huddersfield Town.

      Kop legend Bruce Grobbelaar has previously slammed Achterberg for the flaws he sees in Mignolet’s game.

      “I now know who the true person to blame is,” he said. “If he (Achterberg) can’t right Mignolet’s wrongs in two years then he shouldn’t be there.”

      However, it’s difficult to take Grobbelaar seriously when in the next breath he basically admitted that he wants Achterberg’s job.

      The reality is that Mignolet has kicked on over the past six months and it shows the value of having proper competition - something Mignolet didn’t really have with either Jones or Bogdan about.

      In terms of Karius, you can’t judge the impact of the coaching he’s getting after just 11 appearances. Has he performed for the Reds like someone who was voted the second best keeper in the Bundesliga last season? No, but then playing for Liverpool is a world away from life at Mainz.

      It’s also worth remembering that under both Rodgers and Klopp the Reds have been committed to a brand of attacking football which means the keeper isn’t blessed with a huge amount of protection.

      “I really trust in John Achterberg because he does a brilliant job here. He’s one of the hardest working people I’ve ever met.”

      They were the words of Klopp last season and they still ring true today.

      After the mistakes which have blighted recent Liverpool performances, a major improvement is required between the posts. But Klopp’s faith in Acherberg to help achieve that remains.

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      Hmm,
      After reading this I'm even more concerned, Achterberg a top GK coach because he earned his stripes at.....wait for it....... That incredible world beating European conquering EPL Championship winning, amazing, wonderful w*nk festing non league club... TRANMERE Fooking Rovers..... The experience he has is insurmountable, his phone must be in meltdown from all the world's keeper's ringing for advice,

      Ffs C'mon, seriously, so all in all it comes down to Migs having at last some competition or not as it may prove to be,
      Top FA coaching badges are all well and good on your CV but where is his experience playing at a top level club in a league second to none, where has he gained experience in European or world football,
      Maybe it's just that,  he has none or limited experience playing at the level he is now coaching in, he may be a good coach for a club at the level of the Championship, but is he really good enough for us, really?

      I guess the Migs needs competition mantra will be proven either way through time, Question is how much time do we afford?
      Someone once said that you can't polish a turd,  that's true, but are we trying to polish a turd with a turd,? Ain't gonna work is it?

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      Reply #96: Dec 18, 2016 09:02:12 am
      Hmm,
      After reading this I'm even more concerned, Achterberg a top GK coach because he earned his stripes at.....wait for it....... That incredible world beating European conquering EPL Championship winning, amazing, wonderful w*nk festing non league club... TRANMERE Fooking Rovers..... The experience he has is insurmountable, his phone must be in meltdown from all the world's keeper's ringing for advice

      Sorry mate, but this is complete and utter bollocks.
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      Reply #97: Dec 18, 2016 02:00:03 pm
      Sorry mate, but this is complete and utter bollocks.

       :lmao:
      Care to elaborate wahs, I can get the complete bit but utter as well, not that bad is it?
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      Reply #98: Dec 18, 2016 02:18:43 pm
      :lmao:
      Care to elaborate wahs, I can get the complete bit but utter as well, not that bad is it?
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      Where he's played at isn't important though. Klopp never played at the top level and neither did a lot of managers.

      It's what he is teaching the players that is important and to be honest, I've not a f**king clue what he is teaching them and I doubt anyone else does.

      If he was sh*te though, I'm sure one manager would have given him the boot by now if he's been here since Rafa was.
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      Reply #99: Dec 18, 2016 06:10:26 pm
      :lmao:
      Care to elaborate wahs, I can get the complete bit but utter as well, not that bad is it?
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      :D

      Sorry Bill, come across rude that.

      It's just that the fact he was plying his trade at Tranmere has absolutely nothing to do with anything. There will have been 100s, probably 1000s of coaches that have played or coached at low league level and gone on to become excellent at their job.
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      Reply #100: Dec 19, 2016 12:06:58 pm
      :D

      Sorry Bill, come across rude that.

      It's just that the fact he was plying his trade at Tranmere has absolutely nothing to do with anything. There will have been 100s, probably 1000s of coaches that have played or coached at low league level and gone on to become excellent at their job.

      Ok bud fairy muff, I concede sometimes we humans have brain fart moments, and talk complete and utter bollocks just like you pointed out, I'm going back to smoking th the dogshit mate I seem to make more sense   :-[

      Happy Xmas


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      Reply #101: Jul 24, 2018 12:46:07 am
      john achterberg is still stinking the place out.

      the guy is like goalkeepers kryptonite, anyone who get near him loses form, confidence, we have no goalies with any aggression or assertiveness left, their life force has been sucked dry.

      now Alisson Becker is here i cant see us having this gimp of a bloke telling becker what to do.
      bullet him now.
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      Reply #102: Jul 24, 2018 02:02:41 am
      john achterberg is still stinking the place out.

      the guy is like goalkeepers kryptonite, anyone who get near him loses form, confidence, we have no goalies with any aggression or assertiveness left, their life force has been sucked dry.

      now Alisson Becker is here i cant see us having this gimp of a bloke telling becker what to do.
      bullet him now.

      Good first post and quite agree.
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      Reply #103: Jul 24, 2018 02:23:55 am
      don't we lack aggression and fire in the squad as a whole? we had many players like that but as they retired and the squad changed so did it's mentality. don't think we can blame 1 goalkeeper coach for that
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      Reply #104: Jul 24, 2018 03:42:50 am
      How this man still has his job I don't know.
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      Reply #105: Jul 24, 2018 04:27:42 am
      How this man still has his job I don't know.

      I got a sneaking feeling that perhaps Jürgen and has a staff know a tad more than we do.
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      Reply #106: Jul 24, 2018 09:06:39 am
      I got a sneaking feeling that perhaps Jürgen and has a staff know a tad more than we do.


      Considering how long it has taken them to find a good GK I actually question that. Also what has Achterburg actually achieved, every single goalkeeper he has worked with has got worse, starting with Pepe.
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      Reply #107: Jul 24, 2018 09:27:41 am
      I got a sneaking feeling that perhaps Jürgen and has a staff know a tad more than we do.


      Didn't jurgen highly rate him?
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      Reply #108: Jul 24, 2018 09:30:32 am
      Considering how long it has taken them to find a good GK I actually question that. Also what has Achterburg actually achieved, every single goalkeeper he has worked with has got worse, starting with Pepe.
      This is the crux of the issue for me,surely one of the jobs of  achttheblert is to improve our keepers 
      And since 2011 when he was promoted I have seen nothing of the sort from him.
      Obviously it may not  be all down to him but I certainly don't think he has helped the situation regarding the improvemeant of our keepers.
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      Reply #109: Jul 24, 2018 09:42:32 am
      Well with a Top class keeper finally on the books we will find out the worth of Achterburg.

      Has he not had the tools to work with or as others have suggested he is useless at his job.
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      Reply #110: Jul 24, 2018 09:49:35 am
      john achterberg is still stinking the place out.

      the guy is like goalkeepers kryptonite, anyone who get near him loses form, confidence, we have no goalies with any aggression or assertiveness left, their life force has been sucked dry.

      now Alisson Becker is here i cant see us having this gimp of a bloke telling becker what to do.
      bullet him now.
      I know what you mean, having a good coach is pivotal to success.
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      Reply #111: Jul 24, 2018 11:45:10 am
      Well with a Top class keeper finally on the books we will find out the worth of Achterburg.

      Has he not had the tools to work with or as others have suggested he is useless at his job.


      I have a feeling that Alisson will have one session with him and demand his own coach be brought in.
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      Reply #112: Jul 24, 2018 12:53:27 pm

      I think he did, it would be interesting to find a video or source, I'm almost sure
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      Reply #113: Jul 24, 2018 01:01:48 pm
      I'd love to read his Autobiography - Stealing a wage, by John Auterberg.
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      Reply #114: Jul 24, 2018 02:10:02 pm
      I'd love to read his Autobiography - Stealing a wage, by John Auterberg.

      Think I’ve read a similar one, by Simon Mignolet.
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      Reply #115: Jul 24, 2018 02:51:18 pm
      I have a feeling that Alisson will have one session with him and demand his own coach be brought in.

      Wouldn't let Achterberg within twenty miles of Alisson.

      How long has Migs been at the club ? 5 years ?

      Any better ? 





      No.
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      Reply #116: Jul 24, 2018 02:53:32 pm
      I'd love to read his Autobiography - Stealing a wage, by John Auterberg... Joe Cole ... and Daniel Sturridge

      Fixed It.
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      Reply #117: Jul 24, 2018 04:22:05 pm
      Do these coaches have end of year reviews? Hard to judge him from the outside I suppose!

      Maybe the best GK coach in the world could not improve what we have had at our disposal these last few years.
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      Reply #118: Jul 24, 2018 05:10:47 pm
      Do these coaches have end of year reviews? Hard to judge him from the outside I suppose!

      Maybe the best GK coach in the world could not improve what we have had at our disposal these last few years.

      Well in that case the coach should have been making it very very clear that we needed an upgrade, or perhaps he was ;-)
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      Reply #119: Jul 25, 2018 01:10:51 pm
      I think he did, it would be interesting to find a video or source, I'm almost sure

      Well according to James Pearce he is very highly rated by Klopp

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