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      GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?

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      mcarz
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #46: Oct 02, 2016 01:18:10 pm
      All these consecutive managers wanting to keep him as GK coach. Maybe they can't find anyone better?

      Could it be that they don't focus on this area as much in training? The manager and coaches usually do the outfield players training so their focus lies away from keepers. Not sure if that makes sense, more along the lines of me thinking out loud.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #47: Oct 02, 2016 01:27:20 pm
      I am sure if in the fullness of time JĂźrgen wants to replace him with his own man then he will.
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      Reply #48: Oct 02, 2016 02:03:43 pm
      Do you really need a Goalkeeping coach to teach someone how to catch or punch a ball? Our boys cant catch sh*t!
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #49: Oct 02, 2016 02:07:50 pm
      Do you really need a Goalkeeping coach to teach someone how to catch or punch a ball? Our boys cant catch sh*t!

      Do you really need a coach to teach somebody how to pass 5 yards?
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      Reply #50: Oct 02, 2016 02:09:19 pm
      Do you really need a coach to teach somebody how to pass 5 yards?

      So in conclusion, he's not doin a great job!
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #51: Oct 02, 2016 02:10:40 pm
      Do you really need a Goalkeeping coach to teach someone how to catch or punch a ball? Our boys cant catch sh*t!

      My son was a keeper and went to a goal keeper coach and he made a big difference
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #52: Oct 02, 2016 05:11:21 pm
      Got to be honest he may or may not be a good coach, but I don't like the snobbish undertones of attacking the fella purely on the basis that he came from Tranmere!

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      Reply #53: Oct 02, 2016 06:45:10 pm
      Or perhaps Mignolet is just sh*t (the frailties he shows for us were apparent when he played for Sunderland) and Karius just needs time to bed into a new club in a new league in a new country.
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      Reply #54: Oct 02, 2016 06:48:37 pm
      I remember De Gea and Reina were awful judging crosses when they first came to England...let's give the boy some time to bed in and accept he's going to make mistakes
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      Reply #55: Oct 02, 2016 07:09:46 pm
      Or perhaps Mignolet is just sh*t (the frailties he shows for us were apparent when he played for Sunderland) and Karius just needs time to bed into a new club in a new league in a new country.

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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #56: Dec 09, 2016 01:36:08 pm
      While I have my serious doubts about his ability as a coach, we have had too many cock ups from various keepers over his spell as coach, lets not overlook the fault of the keepers here themselves.

      There are basics to goalkeeping. Ignore for the moment how good a keeper is at being an Alonso with the ball at his feet spraying passes around, lets focus on goal keepings number 1 priority, stopping the ball going past you and into the net. Good hands needed, quick feet needed, hand to eye co ordination must be spot on, agility command of the area, ability to get up and take balls coming into the box in the air and common sense.

      Our current pair actually tick most of those boxes. Both underachieve in the dealing with crosses but there are so dew keepers in world football that master it that its almost a given now that whoever your keeper is will struggle on crosses.

      Common sense might be an issue with both. And you don't need a top coach to sort that out. Example being parrying a shot back into play instead of either holding it or palming it away for a corner or towards the sidelines. Common sense would tell a keeper "theres 7 bodies in my way here I wont get to that cross so ill hold my line" how often have our keepers rushed off the line to make a mess of a punch because they cant get the run at it they need? And how often have we seen them go to collect a cross cleanly only to see them misjudge the flight and have it fly over them?

      So while I thing Actherberg is out of his depth I think the individual keepers need to look at themselves from a mental point of view. But look both are young enough still to develop into excellent keepers. The best keepers in the game are mostly in there 30s   
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #57: Dec 09, 2016 06:54:38 pm
      If I was as good at my job as this fella is at his, I'd be on the streets.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #58: Dec 09, 2016 08:03:49 pm
      You can't teach reaction speed,you've either got it,or you aint,neither of our keepers have it,Clemence had it,Brucie had it,as did Reina,but all the coaching in the world,will not help,if your body reacts to slowly to your brains commands,for me i would see if we could land Joe Hart in the transfer window,and unload 1 of our keepers,can't see how it is the coaches fault if the keeper can't get down fast enough to make regular stops.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #59: Dec 10, 2016 03:16:21 am
      You can't teach reaction speed,you've either got it,or you aint,neither of our keepers have it,Clemence had it,Brucie had it,as did Reina,but all the coaching in the world,will not help,if your body reacts to slowly to your brains commands,for me i would see if we could land Joe Hart in the transfer window,and unload 1 of our keepers,can't see how it is the coaches fault if the keeper can't get down fast enough to make regular stops.

      Now the thing is, Reina's performance dipped when Achterberg became the first team goalkeeping coach in 2011. Conicidence? Possibly.

      Mignolet's performance dipped as Achterberg became his coach. Coincidence? Possibly.

      Karius' performance dipped as Achterberg became his coach. Coincidence? Possibly.

      I hope we're seeing the trend here. Solid keepers into average ones.

      I hate bringing this up, but De Gea was shocking coming in. He was young talent full of potential. He made a lot of mistakes and learnt from it. I'd classify him as one of the world's top keepers at the moment. If it wasn't for him, the scums would be in the lower half of the table. While our keepers are making mistakes, they're not learning from it.

      I'm hoping Karius can become top class. That's what we all want. Even if that means, Achterberg staying.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #60: Dec 10, 2016 05:18:58 am
      Interesting angle.

      Did Reina get pushed out the door OR was he actually demanding a move because Achterberg was such a clown.
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      Reply #61: Dec 10, 2016 08:23:33 am
      Interesting angle.

      Did Reina get pushed out the door OR was he actually demanding a move because Achterberg was such a clown.

      Reina had gone stale. After Rafa , and Torres left, our club was going though so many short term changes. It seemed like he just had it IMO.

      Also his performances werent that good.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #62: Dec 10, 2016 10:59:19 am
      We need another keepers coach, not to replace him but to work with him and challenge his ideas and giving a fresh breath.
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      Reply #63: Dec 11, 2016 07:01:35 pm
      I'm sorry but this guy is getting away with murder. Like I said in the previous thread, how can we keep getting away with a guy who quite evidently cannot improve our keepers?

      Does he make them worse? Who knows - perhaps we are just merely buying terrible keepers... but Reina disproves this theory, and his form dropped like a broken lift once Achterberg was appointed. Reina was publicly gutted when the goalkeeping coaches under Rafa left, and it seems his disappointment was not made up for (if they were replaced by somebody of high excellence, Reina would have had no cause to be disappointed when they left).

      Whether he makes them worse is up for question, but he certainly doesn't improve them, and for that reason alone he should be sacked.
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      Reply #64: Dec 11, 2016 07:07:47 pm
      On our goalkeeper, the first goal today was an easy save. Shocked he let it in. The second one it was a classic piece of modern goalkeeping.

      Rush out, close the angle, make yourself into that star fish shape. All brilliant. Only problem was the balls trickled past him because he's been drilled to do that discipline, and he's not used his instincts to save it. Achterberg will be behind that, but all the goalkeepers do it.
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      Reply #65: Dec 11, 2016 10:39:56 pm
      Some interesting tweets from Anfield HQ tonight regarding Achterberg and relating to Mignolet, not sure if this was discussed at the time, possibly was but still belong in this thread:

      Anfield HQ ‏@AnfieldHQ  17m17 minutes ago
      Grobbelaar: "At the moment #LFC have a keeper who has been criticised but I am going to stop as I now know who the true person to blame is."

      Anfield HQ ‏@AnfieldHQ  16m16 minutes ago
      Grobbelaar: "Mignolet is still doing the same as two years ago, which means it is not Mignolet’s fault but the person who is coaching him."

      Anfield HQ ‏@AnfieldHQ  16m16 minutes ago
      Grobbelaar: "Achterberg is the one I’m going to look at. If he can’t right Mignolet’s wrongs in two years, then he shouldn’t be there."

      Anfield HQ ‏@AnfieldHQ  15m15 minutes ago
      Grobbelaar: "Mignolet can become Liverpool’s long-term No.1 if he is coached properly. When I go away he goes back into his shell

      Anfield HQ ‏@AnfieldHQ  14m14 minutes ago
      Grobbelaar: "I’ve never been asked about taking the keeper coaching job but if an offer came I would have to have a look it, anyone would."

      Anfield HQ ‏@AnfieldHQ  9m9 minutes ago
      The Grobbelaar quotes were taken from when he was speaking to  BBC show Sportsworld this time 12 months ago.


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      Reply #66: Dec 11, 2016 10:47:35 pm
      “I'm fine with our goalies and I really trust in John Achterberg because he does a brilliant job here.

      “He's one of the hardest-working people I've ever met, he works as a coach 25 hours a day."

      That was from last year too. Klopp trusts him i guess.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #67: Dec 11, 2016 10:47:51 pm
      Some interesting tweets from Anfield HQ tonight regarding Achterberg and relating to Mignolet, not sure if this was discussed at the time, possibly was but still belong in this thread:

      Anfield HQ ‏@AnfieldHQ  17m17 minutes ago
      Grobbelaar: "At the moment #LFC have a keeper who has been criticised but I am going to stop as I now know who the true person to blame is."

      Anfield HQ ‏@AnfieldHQ  16m16 minutes ago
      Grobbelaar: "Mignolet is still doing the same as two years ago, which means it is not Mignolet’s fault but the person who is coaching him."

      Anfield HQ ‏@AnfieldHQ  16m16 minutes ago
      Grobbelaar: "Achterberg is the one I’m going to look at. If he can’t right Mignolet’s wrongs in two years, then he shouldn’t be there."

      Anfield HQ ‏@AnfieldHQ  15m15 minutes ago
      Grobbelaar: "Mignolet can become Liverpool’s long-term No.1 if he is coached properly. When I go away he goes back into his shell

      Anfield HQ ‏@AnfieldHQ  14m14 minutes ago
      Grobbelaar: "I’ve never been asked about taking the keeper coaching job but if an offer came I would have to have a look it, anyone would."

      Anfield HQ ‏@AnfieldHQ  9m9 minutes ago
      The Grobbelaar quotes were taken from when he was speaking to  BBC show Sportsworld this time 12 months ago.

      I'm not saying it's not Achterberg but in regards to Mignolet you have to look at his performances for Sunderland and all the failings and weaknesses he displays for us when he plays, he displayed for them. I also think Klopp's a pretty smart guy and knows a thing or two more about football than most of us and if Achterberg was to blame, I doubt very much he'd still be on the coaching staff. That also reads like someone fishing for a new job with some shameless self promotion. I wouldn't read too much into it.
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      Re: GK Coach John Achterberg - Suspect No 1?
      Reply #68: Dec 11, 2016 10:51:06 pm
      I'm not saying it's not Achterberg but in regards to Mignolet you have to look at his performances for Sunderland and all the failings and weaknesses he displays for us when he plays, he displayed for them. I also think Klopp's a pretty smart guy and knows a thing or two more about football than most of us and if Achterberg was to blame, I doubt very much he'd still be on the coaching staff. That also reads like someone fishing for a new job. I wouldn't read too much into it.


      Didn't watch him too much for Sunderland mate so I'll take your word for that. As for Klopp and keepers, seemed quite hands off when he said it came down to Achterberg's decision who started a while back as I seem to remember.

      Just from my opinion it's one of those positions that I believe does need specialist coaching so who knows JĂźrgen may address it as we move forward but the trend for our goal keepers since Valero left has only been one way and something becomes that consistent it's hard to keep suggesting it's co-incidence.

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